"... sources say."
Sources.... Reading the article, I'm thinking the people who have left are aggrieved because it's obvious that Chelsea is in a privileged position. Are we really to think that her unpleasantness is what's driving them out? Isn't it more that she's blocking them and can't be criticized in a normal way? I'm willing to believe she's unpleasant. There are unpleasant people everywhere, but when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?
May 19, 2015
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"when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?"
When you have other job prospects?
Nepotism never works for anyone but the nepot.
Chelsea owns it. They better get used to that idea or they are history.
It's hard to work with incompetent people.
That seemed awfully thinly sourced to me. One of those things that is easy to believe if you're inclined to. She may or may not be a bitch, bit this adds nothing.
I can't think the Charity is doing a good job with people's money (unless by good job they mean spending it on Clinton$' salaries)
It couldn't happen to a nicer group of folks!
Chelsea is the only charitable work done by that foundation. A useless person.
I tells ya and tells ya, the left is trying to destroy Hillary's candidacy because it's a disaster. If that means using "the politics of personal destruction" (Hillary's amazingly self-referential complaint) against Chelsea, they'll do it. They'll do anything.
A daughter is just like her mother? And this is news, why?
"When you have other job prospects?"
Other jobs, where no one is unpleasant?
The Democrats need a centered and humble woman populist as their candidate. So what if she is part Cherokee Indian and part Okie...they both have become civilized tribes.
When you work for a family business, you're either "family" or you're "the help." One quickly learns that family is always right, and the help is always replaceable.
That's just the way it is, and if you don't like that then you need to move on to a more impersonal workplace.
Chelsea has been pampered her whole life and likely gained friends, gotten A's for C work, received admission to schools and acceptance to jobs solely on the basis of an institution/company desire to curry favor with her parents.
It's not hard for that to make you start to believe you deserve it.
"...but when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?"
When "unpleasantness" is a euphemism for "she is a shocking c*%/."?
Such as when family members employ the term "exhaustion" when living through the denial of alcoholism.
I'd do it. Do we want a President who is friends with notorious sleazebag Sid Blumenthal?
Whose brothers are utter shitlords and who are rich solely because they are related to her?
Does anybody buy that her two brothers are sleazy shits...but she isn't? Seems unlikely.
Do we want a President who has failed at everything she's done?
I can't find one detail in the article that supports the observation that she is "unpleasant." I see the word "difficult."
What exactly did she do other than to be in a powerful position and to have her power sealed by family connection? That limits the power of others, and those people are free to go, but if they are going to take shots at her personality, they'd better come up with some detail or this is just a junk report.
(I know. I rewarded it by linking, but others have linked as if this is a juicy tidbit on the Clintons. I call bullshit.)
I agree with our host and commentators above that it is an extremely thin-sourced article. A modest hit piece without sources? Cui Bono?
Now, assuming the article is true, and that Chelsea is a Diva, exercising her powers (derived from her famous & rich parents) unjustly towards her staff, well, does this surprise anyone?
Ann, in most jobs, if a co-worker or a manager is a dick, you have options to handle it. Who in upper management can a disgruntled worker go to about her?
Duh, when somebody is both unpleasant, and powerful and immune to criticism. How hard was that, Ann?
If I had a peer or a "boss" who was both unpleasant, and refused to take feedback or had a good measure of power, I'd be looking for other employment, especially if I felt my talents were being ignored or underutilized.
She's ugly and has never said anything insightful.
I don't know which she ought to work on, but in light of the increasing ugliness with age, I'd go for the insights.
Kliban Home for the Unpleasant.
You can't make a dull person interesting. She just lacks...everything.
The problem with Chelsea isn't "unpleasantness," it is the forced sex with lower-level employees.
You go to the coffee room to just get some coffee and there is Chelsea, banging some poor guy who is paid to read Twitter for negative comments about the Clintons, his pants at his ankles.
You go to the conference room and there is Chelsea, bent over the table with her skirt at her waist, getting banged by an 'accountant' with shame and resignation upon his face, wondering if he can ever look someone in the eye again now that he is Chelsea's bitch.
Even the sanctity of privacy that is the bathroom is violated: there is Chelsea at the sink, banging the man unfortunate enough to have walked in there to take a shit. The stall is RIGHT there, but No -- now he can't take a shit AND he has to bang Chelsea, and then wipe up the counter with paper towels and humiliation.
And Chelsea: Chelsea is LOUD. You can be at your cubicle, droning away with earphones on, and you can still hear her from the other side of the Office screaming "Harder! Harder!" and "Call me Princess!" It seems like it never will end, nor will lunch-time ever arrive.
Thank God she is only in the Office two days a week, max.
Privilege has its privileges.
I am Laslo.
Anyone know if Webb Hubble was also frequently 'unpleasant'?
What's your beef Althouse, lack of corroboration? She's been a cunt for decades. Remember when she was spitting on military personnel in the White House? She was a little cunt then and she's a big cunt now. Except now it's happening to lefties, none other would get within a mile of her or the Foundation, so it gets press.
But, favorite Clinton tactic, now it's old news. What WOULD have been news is if she broke away from family patterns and grew up to be a decent human being.
Also, Ann, you can be a cunt, or of course a dick or an asshole, but while it may work in the cocoon of mommy's apron, not so good for leadership later in life. You for instance have no power over others not given to you.
I can believe Chelsea is unpleasant--my parents were at a wedding a few years ago for one of my sister's friends who was marrying a guy who knew Chelsea from college. They happened to share a shuttle bus together and according to my parents Chelsea was very aloof and uncomfortable--and no one there was the sort to gape at or otherwise "bother" a celebrity. She just didn't seem personable, very unlike her father's reputation. Maybe she just wasn't having a good day, but she made a poor impression (full disclosure--my parents are lifelong Democrats, and my mother voted for Bill twice).
That's my cool story bro.
There are unpleasant people everywhere, but when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?
The people involved are likely not only smart and skilled, but well-connected outside the Clinton Foundation. Thus, their tolerance for bullshit in this context is likely low. If you're a high-powered (insert job title) with plenty of connections, and you can't stand how you're being treated, you skedaddle.
Nepotism never works for anyone but the nepot.
People only bitch about nepotism when the person in question is incompetent.
FWIW, this "foundation" is just a scam anyway, to keep a bunch of campaign operatives in cushy jobs while they prepare the ground for the Hillary coronation. None of this really matters--it's not like some good charity work isn't getting done as a result of the usual Clinton incompetence.
"Page Six" is the New York Post's gossip column. Sil, yeah...
Now, if it had been TMZ breaking the story...
"So", yeah...sigh.
The Elle interview with Chelsea was revealing. She stated that the Clinton Foundation was going to be her life’s work, and that she saw it as her goal to make the foundation into a permanent entity. To do that she was focused on building up the endowment funds. It does not seem likely that 10 years after Bill is dead major corporations and world governments would still be donating millions, so you can see the need to have to stockpile the dough now. It does change one’s perspective on how much money the foundation is spending on services. This is not a charity, at least not the way one usually thinks about a charity. This is something bigger.
Let a smile be your umbrella!
Chelsea has been in the public eye for two decades. I think the fact that nobody really talks about how great she is tells us all we need to know about her personality.
There may be perfectly valid reasons to dislike Chelsea but other than having the appearance of benefitting from her family's position, what has she done that rates such negatives? I don't think she earned the news position but so what? Lots of people got where they were through other than their own sweat. As others have pointed out, this reads like a flank attach on Hillary! I don't care for Hillary! but I also have knowledge of her record. You don't [or at least shouldn't] attack people through proxies. Going after Chelsea for not other reason than her mother is Hillary! is bad form. Somewhat surprising that the left is doing this to their own "Queen"...
I agree with Althouse. When a person of authority undermines an inferior's contributions, it seems likely that the inferior would consider that 'unpleasantness.' It is probably intensified if the inferior feels the superior doesn't deserve the position. Why...it almost sounds like...a BAJILLION other workplaces...
It wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea was an unpleasant person, but am I to believe these people took jobs with a foundation controlled by Bill and Hillary Clinton anticipating a pleasant environment? They wanted to gain power by getting close to power. They're pissed now because nepotism is creating a road block.
The gossip pages are back!
Another possibility is that people might be getting a sense that this whole Clinton scene could come crashing down. That may be especially true of people who know the most. That may be contributing to the high turnover.
The unpleasant apple doesn't fall far from the Hillary tree.
There are unpleasant and incompetent people everywhere in life, and if you have options, you avoid them.
Yes the article is thinly sourced. But as Bill Ayres said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
And I'll believe that Chelsea is at least unpleasant to be around. Little Princesses of all provenance tend to be that way.
The Clinton Foundation ensures that Chelsea and Charlotte will remain in the top 1% richest of the rich forever. Bill and Hill are stuffing it now with ill-gotten $$$$$$ from corrupt foreign entities and Chelsea and Charlotte have a sinecure for life.
She's not bright enough to be unpleasant.
Politico had a somewhat different take on this in March.
Althouse, you may be correct to label the article as BS. Until we have more, I'm going to presume this is at most a case of sour grapes. I won't be (terribly) surprised if it is demonstrated that Chelsea has been unusually demanding and difficult to work with, but I won't be too surprised if that's not the case.
What's interesting to me is the number of people taking shots at the Clintons. It's not limited to the fringe right like it was in the '90's. Hillary's candidacy (and Presidency, if she wins) may be a real ugly thing to witness.
"There may be perfectly valid reasons to dislike Chelsea but other than having the appearance of benefitting from her family's position, what has she done that rates such negatives?"
It's because all she is known for is milking her family name and influence. An apple that doesn't fall too far from the corrupt tree.
True, anyone born into privilege is going to get advantages from it--but in most cases they move off to the side like Amy Carter or the Bush twins. Chelsea has decided to be front and center of her mother's return to power--that makes her fair game.
Plus, she has been snotty and douchey in interviews. Maybe she's secretly a nice person, but I wouldn't bet on it.
"he problem with Chelsea isn't "unpleasantness," it is the forced sex with lower-level employees"
Then there is The Envelope.
The day after banging Chelsea a manila envelope is on your desk, waiting for your arrival.
Inside: Chelsea's panties from the previous day's 'event' and a signed photograph of her, smiling.
Everyone knows what The Envelope means.
I am Laslo.
It's not hard for that to make you start to believe you deserve it.
Wow.
That means most Democrats feel entitled, both at the top and at the bottom.
But as Bill Ayres said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
Subterranean Homesick Blues
- Bob Dylan
Please be aware that our hostess is a big Bob Dylan fan.
One of the things that make working in a Bank bearable, is the pleasant interaction of the employees.
Working in a Bank is a thankless job. It produces no product, takes in no raw materials. There are no artists on the staff.
A Bank is just money, and after even a few days, money stinks.
There may be perfectly valid reasons to dislike Chelsea but other than having the appearance of benefitting from her family's position, what has she done that rates such negatives?
That's a biggie.
Being thrown into the face of the public and having everyone discuss how awesome she is (with an amazing lack of corroborating evidence) and how she won't answer any questions (just like her parents), then Evita Jr is going to be hated.
And make no bones about it, I deeply loathe the useless amalgamation of carbon that is Chelsea.
I don't think she earned the news position but so what? Lots of people got where they were through other than their own sweat.
She's never earned a thing in her life. Everything is given to her to suck up to her parents --- and we're supposed to applaud that?
Fuck that.
She's no better than the rich party kids whose indulgent parents bankroll their asinine lifestyle.
You don't [or at least shouldn't] attack people through proxies. Going after Chelsea for not other reason than her mother is Hillary! is bad form. Somewhat surprising that the left is doing this to their own "Queen"...
Hillary would prefer that to people asking why she is friendly with corrupt shitweasels like Sid Blumenthal or why she allows her to corrupt brothers to make fortunes using her husband's name.
It's not like there isn't a TON of sleaze to smack around.
True, anyone born into privilege is going to get advantages from it--but in most cases they move off to the side like Amy Carter or the Bush twins. Chelsea has decided to be front and center of her mother's return to power--that makes her fair game.
Hell, unlike Chelsea's "let's play charity", the Bush girls have actually done things to benefit others.
And that she worked with McKinsey puts even more of a tarnish on the once-elite consulting firm (who, mind you, supported Enron for many years fervently)
Yes, when you have found a new one.
Another part is that we've had to listen to the bullshit stories of the brilliance of Progressives for years, even notorious imbeciles like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Fighting back against the narrative is a necessity. Smack Princess Chelsea down a peg or two and make sure people notice that she is an inept woman playing make believe in the world of competence.
And finally, I've seldom seen concern about slamming the Palins from the same crowd concerned about being "mean" to poor Chelsea.
Fuck them.
"when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?"
Most of the time, employees take a "this too shall pass" attitude. But when the problem person has the same last name as is found on the door to the building, the attitude changes.
Lots of personal ambitions have been been pushed aside by owners' children.
And finally, I've seldom seen concern about slamming the Palins from the same crowd concerned about being "mean" to poor Chelsea.
The thing in common between Sarah Palin and Chelsea Clinton?
Maybe we need some male Presidential offspring to kick around, just to event things out.
There are unpleasant people everywhere, but when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?
When? When you can barely force yourself to drive into work in the morning. I will soon be retiring from a career that started in 1967 (with time off to be a Vietnam-era draftee and use the GI Bill to go to grad school) and three times I've had managers where I had to force myself out of the house in the morning, two of them women and one man. The guy was one of my first bosses out of graduate school, and during my exit interview the HR rep tried to make the point that people in the real world are expected to get along with their managers. She looked stupefied when I pointed out that he had had 300% turnover in the 18 months I'd worked there. You'd think HR would notice things like that.
N.B., Two of the very best managers I've ever worked for were women, but the notion that on the whole women make better managers than men is a myth put forward by people who haven't worked for women.
White privilege!
damikesc said...
And finally, I've seldom seen concern about slamming the Palins from the same crowd concerned about being "mean" to poor Chelsea.
Fuck them.
5/19/15, 9:26 AM
I thought that was vile too. More the worst due to the condition of the grandchild and the stories that were circulated over parentage. There are some lines that should not be crossed, I don't care which side of the political divide you stand on. Now, if information comes to light that Chelsea has committed criminal acts verses just being the daughter of the Clinton's, well then, release the dogs of war! Until then, [rumors of] being a stupid and/or obnoxious employee of daddy's and mommy's company / charity is not a crime so who cares?
when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?"
I've done it twice. Once from a full time job AFTER finding another- which I would not have been looking for were it not for my supervisors. The second from a part time job from which I didn't really need the income.
I imagine it's probably one of the more common reasons for leaving a job.
"And finally, I've seldom seen concern about slamming the Palins from the same crowd concerned about being "mean" to poor Chelsea."
I've been plenty mean to Sarah and Hillary, though I haven't had much to say about the Palin children because they don't wade into politics. Family deserves a "pass" so long as they respect those lines themselves.
It's also why I don't have the problem with Michelle Obama that I had with Hillary when she was First Lady.
"She's never earned a thing in her life. Everything is given to her to suck up to her parents --- and we're supposed to applaud that?"
I'll add that simply being "privileged" is no sin--many privileged people go on to use those advantages to do great things--Winston Churchill being a great example. George HW Bush was another privileged boy who took on dangerous combat duty in WWII (where he easily could have gotten a cushy position), went to Texas to build a greater fortune, and served a long and distinguished public service career.
Chelsea has accomplished exactly nothing--floating from one sinecure to another, trading on her parent's corrupt influence peddling scheme and benefitting from the praise in the media as though she were something more than that.
But I'll venture what animates most of us is the sense that she (like her creep parents) seems to get away with it.
a) Chelsea Clinton is about 40 now and I think can be safely criticized in her own right without it being "bad form" or an underhanded attack on her parents.
b) I have no idea if she's a pleasant person or not, and I have no idea what she's good at or for, she doesn't seem to do anything outside the "family business", which nowadays seems to be commodifed influence peddling. But some people would starve if they didn't have money and I suppose the good Lord chosen her parents for that reason.
I'd sure hate to see her on welfare. And, as other commenters pointed out, the gravy train will dry up once Bill dies or gets too old for people to care if they're his friends.
This reminds me of what's-her-face. Walker's gubernatorial rival. Something to do with bicycles. I think it was bicycles. Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. Never mind.
Ah she's got momma's temperament I see!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
OK not just "unpleasant" but downright weird and rude. Even at ABC her colleagues were warned to go through one specific producer to communicate. One does not just approach the monarch and begin speaking! How dare you!
It's called the Clinton Foundation. Why wouldn't the next Clinton heir be in charge? Why wouldn't it be normal for her to replace her parents' cronies with her own?
Normal organizational politics.
The fact that the Clinton Foundation exists is far more concerning than Chelsea Clinton's role in it.
One of the Bush daughters is on television frequently. She comes across as likable. Chelsea doesn't. I don't think the reasons for this are necessarily political, although that may be part of the equation. One of the Nixon daughters, Julie, seemed more personable than the other.....The boss's son is a frequent source of resentment. Does sexism make the boss's daughter a source of even more acute resentment? Can we thus say that Chelsea is a victim of sexism and that her placement in the charity is part of Hillary's bold fight against sexism?
"... but when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness?"
When you have friends that will hire you somewhere else where people are more polite.
Poor Chelsea. What is she going to do when a Republican lead IRS does a full audit of the family foundation?
Poor Chelsea. What is she going to do when a Republican lead IRS does a full audit of the family foundation?
With the release of the Blumenthal emails, a review of the Clinton Foundation and Media Matters is desperately needed.
If every employee making more than $70K at the Clinton Foundation, and every employee drawing any paycheck from Media Matters were to drop dead at this moment, the world would be a better place (again, once the bodies got cleaned up).
$70K is about where junior level positions end, and senior or mid-level positions begin - or at least it is in the Chicago burbs, circa 2012.
I figure if you're working for the Crime Family, and making more than 70 large, chances are you're in on some of the dirt, and activly supporting it. But the mailroom guy pulling in $14/hr shouldn't be lumped in with the rest of the cronies, or the junior secretary who only takes the cold-calls and the low level stuff.
I figure if you're working for the Crime Family, and making more than 70 large, chances are you're in on some of the dirt, and activly supporting it. But the mailroom guy pulling in $14/hr shouldn't be lumped in with the rest of the cronies, or the junior secretary who only takes the cold-calls and the low level stuff.
I want their tax exemption to be removed...and to make it retroactive.
That'd be endlessly amusing.
Damn you Lazlo.
cubanbob said...
Poor Chelsea. What is she going to do when a Republican lead IRS does a full audit of the family foundation?
You're dreaming, cubanbob. Can you imagine the Media uproar if a prominent Lefty claimed the power of the Government was being used against them unfairly? You have to give up on the idea that there is anything like parity in how the Media, public, and Government itself will treat abuse by Republicans and Democrats. I'm willing to bet most people don't remember that it was credibly alleged that Pres Clinton's administration improperly accessed private files (including some from the FBI) on journalists, political opponents, and average citizens they viewed as politically dangerous. Linda Tripp sued the Admin and the DOD and won a settlement of over $600k, but she was far from the only one targeted. In the Media Nixon is a lying crook who abused his power and used the Government to attack his political enemies. Clinton? Oh, that whole kerfuffle was "just about sex" and anyway wasn't Newt a jerk?
A Republican-led IRS won't do shit.
You're dreaming, cubanbob. Can you imagine the Media uproar if a prominent Lefty claimed the power of the Government was being used against them unfairly? You have to give up on the idea that there is anything like parity in how the Media, public, and Government itself will treat abuse by Republicans and Democrats. I'm willing to bet most people don't remember that it was credibly alleged that Pres Clinton's administration improperly accessed private files (including some from the FBI) on journalists, political opponents, and average citizens they viewed as politically dangerous. Linda Tripp sued the Admin and the DOD and won a settlement of over $600k, but she was far from the only one targeted. In the Media Nixon is a lying crook who abused his power and used the Government to attack his political enemies. Clinton? Oh, that whole kerfuffle was "just about sex" and anyway wasn't Newt a jerk?
No joke. The media wasn't that upset when the Dems threatened ABC's broadcast license over that 9/11 movie.
http://democrats.senate.gov/2006/09/07/senate-democratic-leadership-urges-disney-ceo-to-cancel-misleading-911-miniseries/
Our hostess "calls BS" on this story.
None so blind as those who will not see.
Out in the real world, pampered little princesses are often "difficult".
Perhaps the quote pushes the credibility envelope, but it serves as a partial antidote to all the "Oh! Squeee! It's Chelsea the delightful and beloved, splendid in her raiment of shimmering grandiloquent verbage. Oh look, members of the press are fainting... ooooo...!" coverage being pawned off as hard news.
Ann Althouse said...
"When you have other job prospects?"
Other jobs, where no one is unpleasant?
There are degrees of unpleasantness, and degrees of power held by the unpleasant person. Plus hope springs eternal for some people.
So, if the Clintons are notorious for political payback, you are surprised that this article is thinly sourced? I call bull shit.
There are degrees of unpleasantness, and degrees of power held by the unpleasant person. Plus hope springs eternal for some people.
There are also times where your pay isn't enough to overcome a shitty work environment.
I left my last job because of a very unpleasant person. It was a bit of a one-sided personal feud. Some speculated that he believed that I had banged his ex-wife.
Anyway, I wouldn't have left if he hadn't been such a douche. And no, no one where I work now is nearly as unpleasant. Nor anyone where I had worked previously.
Scroll down for the Bush/Clinton doozies:
"Bill Clinton has been a CIA asset since he was an informer for them on his anti-war buddies at Oxford in 1968.
George Herbert Walker Bush, who helped to organize the Bay of Pigs invasion, has been CIA since at least the early 1960’s, probably the mid 1950’s. The building at CIA HQ is in fact named after GHW Bush. (Sidenote: Poppy Bush is on the record saying he can’t rememeber where he was when JFK was murdered in Dallas - in fact US Senate candidate Bush was staying in the Dallas Sheraton on 11/21/63).
CIA Cord Meyer told GOP insider Jack Wheeler, "We recruited Bill [Clinton] the first week he was at Oxford. Bill's been an asset of the Three Bad Words ever since."
The Clintons, the Bushes, Oliver North and the CIA were all heavily involved in the CIA drug trade of Iran-Contra. Supposedly it was to help the Nicaraguan contras, but you can bet they were skimming tens of millions off the top."
Sex, drugs, power, murder
Here's the eye opening article:
Chelsea Clinton is the biological daughter of Webb Hubbell, NOT Bill Clinton
1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.bl... 2012/ 02/ chelsea-clinton-is-biological-daughter.html
Oh for Heaven's sake it's 'Page Six' - 'Your source for celebrity news, gossip, entertainment, pop culture, photos, video and more.' And the story's anonymous. Are we really supposed to take every scrap of malicious gossip seriously now?
when do you quit your job over somebody's unpleasantness
It's the reason I quit my past two jobs - couldn't stand the boss. (But only after I found new jobs - I am not a Clinton. I work for money, not as a hobby.)
is the water you're carrying for Hillary! getting heavy yet, Althouse?
Chelsea has done nothing but collect degrees and get jobs because of her parents. And those jobs were consulting and journalism ones, not real jobs.
Who cares if she is unpleasant and who would bother to defend her?
I would like to see a list of employees, salaries and job descriptions for the foundation.
Lotta Assistant VP for Development titles in there.
On top of everything else else that makes HRC not qualified to be president, we have this foundation run by her daughter. The money and influence problem would dog her throughout Bill's 3rd term.
Chelsea? Fair. Fucking. Game.
Remember that adoring profile on the cover of Business 2.0? The sweet 'gimme' job at the hedge fund? The 300,000 she earned in a no-show job at NBC? She's the top full-timer at a huge influence-peddling scam that she calls a "charity" but only spends 15 percent of its assets on anything like funding worthy causes.
No, Bill and Hill aren't full-timers, except as front/bagmen.
She's put herself out there as a partisan spokesperson for her mother.
It doesn't surprise me if she's a raging bitch. Where would she have learned anything different? Bill at least had some interpersonal skills, but was known for his pink mist rages at staffers. And Hillary? Known far and wide to be toxic.
Both sociopaths.
Those are her parents and role models.
...but other than having the appearance of benefitting from her family's position, what has she done that rates such negatives?
Chelsea did refer to her Secret Service detail (the people who would take a bullet for her) as "pigs".
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