Why should you have to boycott it? Isn't it better just not to want to see it?
IN THE COMMENTS: mccullough said:
I guess this means no "50 Shades of Gray" project like the "Gatsby" project on Althouse.The "Gatsby" project was things like this. One sentence from the work, isolated for discussion in contextless isolation. I loved that project. Did you? Vote, and I just might do it.
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I think this book/movie is moronic, but if it riles up the feminazis I'm ok with it.
How do they know if it should be boycotted if they haven't seen it?
Fritz said...
How do they know if it should be boycotted if they haven't seen it?
The girl in the trailers is smiling, so clearly the movie is anti-feminist.
On the radio this morning the guy reviewing the movie said the audience was laughing "at" the dialog. He said the movie is a train wreck.
But just wondering: Did Madison Feminists call for burning of the "50 Shades of Gray" books?
Remember to the Left, it's always Selma 1965, and Montgomery 1955. Boycotts, marches, etc.
It's fun to watch the Left attack itself, isn't it?
The problem is, the main chick character in the film doesn't know she is in an abusive relationship.
She needs a professor at a University to tell her, so she can realize she is being raped.
I guess this means no "50 Shades of Gray" project like the "Gatsby" project on Althouse.
They say the film is not sweaty enough for true s&m lovers' taste, and that demeans women who paid to see the real thing.
A girlcott is what is needed.
What can one think about a movie when the lead actors in it are acting like both the movie & each other are emitting dangerously high levels of radiation?
With promos like that, a movie doesn't need critics or outraged feminists panning it.
I predict a momentary spike in the sales of cucumbers.
Ladies, I will be outside the theatre, waiting for you.
I am Laslo.
Say, there's quite a history at this blog under the tag "Shades of Grey."
Pure or prurient interest?
I guess this means no "50 Shades of Gray" project like the "Gatsby" project on Althouse.
No, Gilbert Gottfried beat her to the punch.
A guy from the IT department stopped by my office this morning and said his girlfriend and like six of her friends were all going to see the movie together for girls night out.
He said it's a big "chick flick" because they all love the books.
Something tells me they'd be a lot more fun than the Madison Feminists.
The thing I don't get about this movie is: Why would *ANYONE* see it in theaters? I mean, if you want to watch porn with your partner, it's incredibly easy to do at home. It's not the pre-VCR days, where you have to go to a theater to see it. So what's the attraction to seeing BDSM on the big screen?
I wasn't planning to go see "Fifty Shades of Grey" until the feminists insisted on boycotting it.
@pianoman
Because the movie is not about porn. It's about women enjoying what they are not supposed to enjoy, vicariously or otherwise.
The concept of "boycotting" doesn't make a lot of sense for a movie, because the Offense and the Product are one and the same.
When morons boycott Sodastream, it's not because they don't like home water carbonation equipment, it's because they don't like Jews. The organized "boycott" is necessary because otherwise it's not obvious that this equipment, having no obvious Jewish trappings, should be targeted.
But "organizing a boycott" of a movie that you don't like is nonsensical. Anyone who would participate in the "boycott", i.e., not see the movie, would not see the movie anyway.
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I'm not sure about boycotting the movie. From the reviews, it's rather tame compared to what happens in the books.
In contrast, I like that the American version of "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" depicted "THE SCENE" from the book. They even did a fake out with a "guy closing the door" shot, poking at people who read the book expecting the movie not to actually show "THE SCENE".
I was watching NBC 15 last night - was the lead story and there was ONE (did I say ONE) lady with a sign in front of Point Cinema. Wish I could get such media attention for my pet projects...
Don't intend to see it but I recently watched The Fall, a BBC series staring Dorman as a serial killer in Belfast and Gillian Anderson as the chief detective. They are both great. I highly recommend it. On Netflix.
I just aded a new cocktail to my "Faking Bad" collection. It's called "The Gatsby" and comprises vodka, grapefruit juice and Lillet. Garnish with orange peel.
Cheers!
I thought the Onion review was pretty funny.
I think this book/movie is moronic...
and the author is worth $80 mil but I heard higher amount at $144 mil. Includes a clothing line.
Garbage sells.
"Fifty" fatigue set in a few weeks ago. I predict it will slink back into the dark corner from which it sprang.
Yes, but use "The Crying od Lot 49"
I was the last guy in the world to see "Deep Throat" in a theatre.It was a nice place, formerly your standard,upscale stand alone theatre.
By time I got up the courage to see the porno film everybody on TV was taliking about, it had pretty much run it's course.
When my eyes adjusted to the darkness, I realized I was the only patron. Nobody else ever showed up. I remember thinking;"This must be what it's like to be a Texas Millionaire.
BTW.Those "Call 555-1212 numbers on the wallfor a BJ? They are not put there by women.Or, so I hear.
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@Tank:
So it's, um, "empowering"?
What's Oprah's opinion on this?
Premature quotation.
Why should you have to boycott it?
Fanatics boycott, that's why.
Isn't it better just not to want to see it?
But then it still exists!
I actually don't think that the boycott is a bad idea. Apparently, the relationship is abusive, at least until the end of the third book, where the male lead character discovers that his dominance/sadism is a result of his insecurity with women, or something like that. That would seem to justify women staying in abusive relationships on the grounds that if they just love the guy enough, they can change him, etc. Which is how even strong women can end up in abusive relationships - except that most often, the guys don't change, and, instead, the abuse often escalates over time.
Another part of this, apparently, is that their kinky relationship isn't done according to the best practices of those who typically engage in it. Apparently, you are supposed to have contracts, safe words, etc. They had none of the above.
Finally, my partner's view is that the two main characters are just degenerates. As a result, she had no interest in reading the book. I thought that that was simplistic. As I understand it, he was both a dominant and a sadist, while she was a submissive, without being a masochist. And that was where the conflict arose - between her need for him and his dominance, and her dislike of his sadism. In any case, if I ever read the book, I won't mention it to her, since I would get unmitigated grief over my sexual preferences and the like.
@Althouse, please change my vote from "Yes, but with something other than '50 Shades of Grey'" to "No." Just plain "no." Thank you.
Pianoman said...
@Tank:
So it's, um, "empowering"?
Um ..... ...... LOL.
I admit. Thinking about it makes me laugh.
Alex Comfort, "The Joy of Sex."
Text; every so often a picture. For the line-work.
I am Laslo.
I boycotted the "Vagina Monologues". Of course, it wasn't much of a boycott because I had zero interest in seeing in the first place.
The Joy of Sex is a great book!
My favorite sex book is A Spy in the House of Love. Best title ever, and it works as literature (at least for me).
Sex is really, really, really hard to put into art. In my movie book, I rank a few porn movies. Which is kinda retarded, but I did it anyway. I'm ranking all cinema! Anyway they were D- at best. Aside from whacking off, porn is ridiculous.
The funny thing is that some actual movies were rated lower than porn. I enjoyed that, too.
With my next choice I shall win this infernal contest and stand manly atop the comments section with wind in my glorious hair.
Nabokov's "Lolita"
From Wiki:
"(Lolita) is his most famous novel, and often considered his finest work in English. It exhibits the love of intricate word play and synesthetic detail that characterised all his works."
Intricate word play!
Synesthetic detail!
And a young chick!
How could this NOT be the choice?
I am Laslo.
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Wallace, David Foster (2009-04-03). Infinite Jest (p. 513). Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.
“I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
I don't care about 50 Shades of Grey. I consider it to be "real porn for females" of a type that doesn't appeal to me because it's not remotely my fantasy whether at my age now or when I was 20-something, so there is nowhere for me to hook in even in a "guilty pleasure" way. But I don't hate it. Women should have their own embarrassing porn, I suppose. It's an updated bodice ripper. I think it's a hoot that the character's name was originally Edward Cullen from Twilight.
I can see why feminists would be upset because it depicts kind of sad inner dynamic when looked at in the cold light of day, but then so does most porn. And I feel a teeny tiny bit for the "B & D community" who have to suffer a massively popular mischaracterization of what their community is about - or so they are continually saying. They recommend seeing the original B&D Mr. Gray played by James Spader in "Secretary" with Maggie Gyllenhaal instead.
Nabokov, but "Pnin"
Its about a professor, after all, at what seems to be a public university.
50 Shades of Grey and other fetish education is the least of your problems. Think of the children! The price of feminism has been too high and has consequences beyond your social status.
That is 50 comments plus 1. We really need the last killed for kicks.
I can't in good conscience vote for "Fifty Shades of Grey," but I have to say the concept is hilarious.
You could start with the title, noting the artful use of the British spelling to convey that the male lead is not merely dominant but classy, which makes everything all right.
As for the next best novel for paragraphs to study, there is only one choice: Lonesome Dove. All of life is in Lonesome Dove.
Xmas: Männer som hatar kvinnor, the Swedish version, also did both the anal rape scene and the retaliation scene. I recommend seeing it if you haven't; it gave Liz Salander far more agency than the American version.
Lonesome Dove Dialog:
Woodrow Call: If that ain't bad enough, you got all them Greek,words on there too.
Gus: I told you Woodrow a long time ago it ain't Greek, it's Latin.
Woodrow: Well what does it say in Latin. For all you know it invites people to rob us.
Gus: Well the first man that comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us, far as I'm concerned. I'd like a chance t'shoot at a educated man once in my life.
If Gus' dialogue doesn't apply to Scott Walker, what does.
I need to read Nabokov! Kubrick's version is lots of fun. That's definitely art, all the sex is off-camera. And Kubrick was funny back then, very funny.
traditionalguy:
You can't handle the truth. That said, 50 or 52. 51 keeps women, and men, sober.
I vote for Lolita. If we are going to do it, do it right. Have some standards. I read that and gave up on being a writer. How can anybody compete with that One would just have to accept that writing is going to be a job, like any other, for the rest of us mortals.
An FWB gave me the book. It was boring. i read better soft-core porn as a teenager in the sixties. "Candy" was a lot more exciting.
The best current writing today is found on TV. The show is The Middle on ABC. Starring the great Patricia Heaton and written by women, brilliantly clean wholesome life-affirming inspiration just begins to describe a few of its attrbutes.
Please, not the dreaded three name Wallace man. How about Henry Miller's Sexus?
Yeah, sure, bring back the Gatsby project, just call it "Fifty Shades of Jay".
I wouldn't mind a 50 shades of Gray project, if only to show how horrendous the writing actually is. I can't beleive women are driving the popularity of this drivel.
I'm up for Infinite Jest, but not sure if anyone else in the commentariat is.
I haven't read 50 Shades of Grey. Like the Da Vinci Code and the Harry Potter books, it has attained Phenomenon status.
When I was a kid, I browsed through a bodice ripper (those Pink Ink Romance books with the Fabio guy on the cover). I wasn't sure what to make of it. The sex scene language seemed a bit overwrought. But there is a market for these books.
So is 50 Shades of Grey the ultimate bodice ripper?
Fifty shades began as fan fiction on Facebook.
Old-school feminists. Generational ideologies, progressive morality, leave everyone behind, eventually.
Pale King by David Foster Wallace
East of Eden but it is too long.
5 Reasons Pornstars Hate 50 Shades of Grey.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig
eg "The best students are always flunking out."
"She needs a professor at a University to tell her, so she can realize she is being raped."
And a lawyer to negate the contract she signed.
"Later that night, Ana goes out drinking with her friends and ends up drunk dialing Christian, who informs her that he will be coming to pick her up because of her inebriated state. . . . Later, Ana wakes to find herself in Christian's hotel room, where he scolds her for not taking proper care of herself."
At this point, only a campus tribunal will do. Or a Slutwalk.
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And she gets preggers, despite a vestigial(!) uterus -- truly an unwritten screenplay begging for ink.
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Baileys' bottle.
Thanks for the mansplaining about boycotts, Dave Schumann!
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