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This is deeply unerotic.ADDED: NYT fashion writer Guy Trebay handled the genitalia with exquisite delicacy:
Yes, and that may be partly the point.
Interesting, in light of all the flesh that female models are made to expose. I like a lot of the ideas here and wonder how they'd translate to ready-to-wear. This is timely, too, after the discussion on the Gucci post about androgyny in fashion. This is far more innovative and thought-provoking than pussy bows and lace on men.
I've never seen penis look so unappealing. Well, next to the Brett Favre penis pics.
I've never though that when womens genitalia are on display in shows it was supposed to be erotic. Why was this supposed to be?
I call it sick!
[I]t was the flashing that the show will be remembered for, even though it came at a time when in art or movies or onstage genital display has largely lost the power to shock. Seldom in memory have traditional notions of what constitutes gender been so strenuously contested. By deliberately exposing a few pendant bits of flesh, Mr. Owens seemed to be suggesting how tenuous and vulnerable are the basis for what we think of as masculinity.So gender is contested because the few pendant bits are tenuous and vulnerable.
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I still think the Rick Owens men's wedge platform boots were sorta hot.
There is nothing new under the sun. See: Eldridge Cleaver Penis Pants
Zombie wear? If those are men today, then Malthus may have a point.
Yet when I wait at the high-school bus stop with my penis exposed it's not fashion, it's a crime.
Mixed signals, culturally.
I am Laslo.
Yet another sign of Weimar decay.
I know this is not a joke, but I wish it were. It amazes me how anyone can take this seriously.
Not everything shown on the runway is meant to be worn or meant to be worn in that form. There are radical things mixed with wearable things. This does make us remember Rick Owens!
I don't think we've ever seen female genitalia in a fashion show. There's rear cleavage, but never front, lower cleavage.
They look to me like the cast of an action movie set in a postapocalyptic dystopian society, but one with no women. You see by their outfits they have captains, workers, warriors, and apparently, monks. Guess which ones the concubines are.
High fashion has always seemed to me to be the elusive economic cornucopia that Keynesians should envy.
People making tons of money producing clothes that nobody ever wears.
How does that work exactly?
There is:
STEVE MARTIN's PENIS CREAM
As advertised:
It gives the penis a
look women like.
SHINY and SOFT
(From SNL in their "heyday")
Very post-apocalyptic costumes.
Sales: $0
"This does make us remember Rick Owens!"
Yes, I will remember to avoid looking at any apparel associated with his name.
Any publicity is good publicity? Not in this case.
And yet, people were outraged over Matt Taylor's shirt.
There's a character named Zach Hyman who likes to take pictures of naked subjects on the New York City subway. He's hired and photographed both men and women in the altogether. And he notes the double standard: "People see a naked woman and they smile. They see a penis and they freak out."
If this isn't an invitation for dick jokes, I don't know what is!
Speaking of dick jokes. Where's ARM?
@David53
You're avoiding Rick Owens, but are you patronizing any high-fashion designers?
Query: Doesn't this violate NYC laws against the open carry of weapons. And imagine the public panic that could occur if a wearer who took Viagara ended up with the famous more than four hour erection.
The whole business has always mystified me. I don't care what it "means" and I can't imagine wearing the "cloths". How does anyone get paid for doing this? But then, I wear shorts for comfort so what do I know?
I'll buy an e, Alex.
Thank you all for those very funny comments. I needed a good laugh after reading the days papers - and -- seeing the "fashions".
"The whole business has always mystified me. I don't care what it "means" and I can't imagine wearing the "cloths"."
Ditto.
Anthony Wiener ordered several items from the fall line and submitted his application for a modeling gig at the spring show. He has some suggestions as to how to make the presentation more dramatic.
I don't think we've ever seen female genitalia in a fashion show. There's rear cleavage, but never front, lower cleavage
Women are far more variable in appearance than men, who in fact are almost absolutely uniform after circumcised and uncircumcised are distinguished.
So it wouldn't be a general enough display with women, unless you go pubic hair, which amounts to just emergency underwear.
The NYT author wrote "pendant" when he meant "pendulous."
Not to be pedantic...
In fact I can come up with a just-so story explaining why men are uniform and women are not.
The penis has to work in a vagina so it limited by functionality.
The vulva on the other hand can do anything, so long as it doesn't repel men. Men are pretty accommodating, and vulvas are not limited in that way.
Seldom in memory have traditional notions of what constitutes gender been so strenuously contested
Ah hell, this again?
Didn't we Strenuously Contest Gender just last week?
Remember, it is fashion. Which is extremely important in some way, according to our host.
You see, sometimes perverts have jobs. Sometimes those jobs are in the fashion industry.
Doesn't change the fact that they are perverts.
The penis has to work in a vagina so it limited by functionality. The vulva on the other hand can do anything ...
Oh yeah? I challenge any woman to pee into a urinal from three feet without splashing on the floor.
Or put out a small campfire without getting burned.
Penises are appropriate appurtenances for the gender that makes tools.
I guess we should just be grateful they weren't angry dicks.
Otherwise,....titus
You're avoiding Rick Owens, but are you patronizing any high-fashion designers?
Letting anyone use that term without irony is patronizing.
It is telling that the NYT has to describe the exposed penii as comic and basically insignificant, where if labia were flapping in the breeze like a tarp over patio furniture, they'd be all empowering about women and smashing the patriarchy and stuff.
The penis hole would be convenient when I need to urinate I suppose. Still, theres no need for it to dangle while walking down the street.
Incidentally, those are some fugly models. And some seriously ugly clothes. is the purpose of a fashion show to show what not to buy?
This reminds me of the fashion you'd see on Star Trek when the enterprise beamed down to some alien planet and encountered humanoid life forms.
Well at least we were then able to tell the models were indeed men.
You can buy the Star Trek Insurrect Ba'Tu tunic that the Ba'Tu wore in Star Trek Nemesis over at Williamshatner.com
http://shatner-store.stores.yahoo.net/sttrinbatu.html
You'll still be looked at funny when you wear it, but at least you won't have your junk exposed.
Cops should cite designer for fashion show crimes. In this case, I wouldn't mind if cops used a stun gun on the designer. Maybe an illegal choke hold.
Every time I see Star Trek I ask myself why the people of the future dress themselves in such ugly, complicated clothing and inhabit rooms similarly ugly. And where are all those washboard foreheads supposed to have come from? I hadn't considered that maybe Star Command was run by fashion designers. That just leaves the bony foreheads. I could accommodate considerable variety below decks but those brows on the alien women would make all the species crossing much less likely I think. Even if you're Kirk. Only shorts on the crewmen could cool off an inter-species date faster.
The profound influence of Rick Owens' brilliant and beautiful wife, Michele Lamy, comes through loud and clear in this collection.
Symptom of decay indeed.
Fashion once was a frivolous thing affluent women were prone to, so their men saw fit to indulge them. Men rarely cared what their women were wearing. If it pleased the women, so be it. Some men made a good living supplying the vanities and rivalries of women. Then it turned into industries, and started soaking up attention among both men and women from proper concerns, kinder, kuche, kirche.
That all has gone much too far.
For fashions sake, broadly defined, people have been perverting these proper concerns. Pets substitute for children and fashionable obsessions substitute for religion. Only cooking has improved.
Was this called the Gloryhole Potato sack collection?
I don't usually like many movies, but I liked The Hunger Games a lot more than I thought I would. Specifically, I loved the set and costume design. The clothing worn by the elite were clearly inspired by the most out-of-this-world, edgy, extreme fashions such as this.
They seek him here
they seek him there
his clothes are loud
but never square
it will make or break him so he's got to buy the best
he's dedicated follower of fashion
Was not written about this collection. THe Dandy fop of the song would not be caught dead in this crap.
NYT fashion writer Guy Trebay handled the genitalia with exquisite delicacy
Well, let's be honest - exquisite delicacy is the best way to handle genitalia.
Mix a few of these with some manspreading on subways, and I think we may see some heads exploding. Where do I get one of these 'Sacks with Cut-out'?
NYT fashion writer Guy Trebay handled the genitalia with exquisite delicacy
Well, let's be honest - exquisite delicacy is the best way to handle genitalia.
At least to start with.
They had to add the keyholes because otherwise these clothes are all recycled from the womenswear collections a few years ago - the "refugee of the steppes" collection comes to mind.
So without the keyholes, one is just not sure what you are looking at. Given that the clothes seem designed for a colder climate, one suspects that this fashion principle will not catch on.
It's part of the vast conspiracy to make people look ugly and exceedingly stupid.
This could have inspired some Norwegian DIs who are now in trouble.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/11362381/Norwegian-soldiers-sent-on-naked-jog-catch-frostbite.html
It was not specified on which part of their bodies the six recruits were suffering from frostbite.
The coats are okay.
The coats are warm, so they go well with that other stuff.
About time.
Kudos to the models for being professional.
PS: I have been saving these in case Ann posted something on men's fashion, which has been long on bare legs lately.
These cannot be unseen once seen, so trigger warning:
He's a very kinky boooy - the type you don't take home to muthaa:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/thom-browne/collection/39
Men will be boys:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/thom-browne/collection/43
Kindergartener from hell:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/ami/collection/8
Least successful vampire collection:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/dior-homme/collection/29
Something to do with chickenhawks:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/comme-des-garcons/collection/9
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/comme-des-garcons/collection/1
Death in Venice:
http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/loewe/collection/11
jr565 said...
The penis hole would be convenient when I need to urinate I suppose. Still, theres no need for it to dangle while walking down the street.
Especially if you're like me and it poses a navigation hazard.
Where did they find those models? At a heroin users convention in the Bronx? God, those men are not only ugly, they're ugly in a creepy way.
Forget the fashion, which isn't ever going to appeal to men. The NYTimes reviewer has a problem with grammar -- "... how tenuous and vulnerable are the basis..." is not English. Don't they have editors at that paper?
The penis hole would be convenient when I need to urinate I suppose.
Here's where physics can help. Volume 2 off Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening Gown would have it, if they publish one.
The essential thing is the clean exit from the hole, which works as well in women as in men if proper clearance is arranged. The penis itself does not direct the stream. It just supplies clearance from things that surface tension might grab on to, so that they don't.
There are numerous websites by now explaining how to pee standing up for women.
Female fashion models are skinny and flat-chested, and male fashion models are skinny and have short penises. Don't know what else to conclude.
in regards to women peeing standing up I think someone should invent a funnel women can put in their pants. it's wide at the opening then gets thinner towards the base. And have its widest point be a bit wider than the vagina.
that way it ultimately comes out like a mans stream. They can even aim it where they want it to go, like a dude and don't get it all over their panties.
someone should invent a funnel women
They exist all over. You don't really need one, as far as the physics goes.
An amusing real audio clip of a woman producer reporting on a trial of one, with John and Ken long ago real audio.
Oops I thought I was reading a politics and culture blog, not a gay porn site.
Pendant bits
The most elegant use of "depend" ever in English is in Carlyle's Sartor Resartus, on heads of state, Obama comes to mind :
What still dignity dwells in a suit of Cast Clothes! How meekly it bears its honors! No haughty looks, no scornful gesture: silent and serene, it fronts the world; neither demanding worship, nor afraid to miss it. The Hat still carries the physiognomy of its Head: but the vanity and the stupidity, and goose-speech which was the sign of these two, are gone. The Coat-arm is stretched out, but not to strike; the Breeches, in modest simplicity, depend at ease, and now at last have a graceful flow; the Waistcoat hides no evil passion, no riotous desire; hunger or thirst now dwells not in it. Thus all is purged from the grossness of sense, from the carking cares and foul vices of the World; and rides there, on its Clothes-horse; as, on a Pegasus, might some skyey Messenger, or purified Apparition, visiting our low Earth.
Those clothes are well adapted to trans gender because you could just attach a fake set and the attaching suspenders or whatever wouldn't show through the clothes. Like to think of them on the Vassar or Mt Holyoke campus being worn by someone transiting. Scary or not scary? Or at UWM in fact where underwear boy sent feminazis screaming in fear.
There's never a fashion cop when you need one.
jr565 said...
Was this called the Gloryhole Potato sack collection?
Thread winner, right there/
I am sure this new fashion collection will be big on college campuses, especially as attire for those males attending their "no means no" rape hearings with the campus officials.
I do like the coats in that collection.
This is obviously the costuming for the bar scene in the gay porno parody of "Star Wars" and needs to be treated as such.
We sure those pictures aren't from Abu Graib?
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