Said Kirsten Dunst, causing Jezebel's Erin Gloria Ryan to decline "to couch this much," because Dunst is by profession an actress, not a gender theorist, so it's not surprising that she'd say something "kind of dumb," but that burst a geyser in Andrea Peyser, who asserts, in the NY Post, that "The sisterhood went psychotic." Where? Where is this psychotic? Who is this "sisterhood"? There was Ryan, who was perfectly bland, more or less quoting bemusedly. There was one other "sister" in this outbreak of mass Dunst-induced psychosis, one Stacey Ritzen at a place I'd never heard of called Uproxx. What Ritzen writ was just a lighthearted wisecrack:
So, I guess my marriage is doomed to fail because I don’t have kids and write dick jokes for a living and my husband is more of a cat person than a dog person. THANKS, KIRSTEN DUNST.The headline at the Peyser piece is "Dunst receives fury for feminine comments in Bazaar." What pathetic pandering of the notion that women are crazy and overemotive! There's really nothing to see here. Dunst has made an ordinary statement about valuing motherhood, homemaking, and the widespread female sexual orientation toward the strong, protective embrace of a male, and a couple female writers — who probably would concede the worthiness of motherhood and homemaking — find her crisp expression of the sexual orientation a bit stark. Dunst didn't couch it in disclaimers about how she doesn't mean this is what all women should feel and that every woman should discover what she truly loves in a relationship.
The real embarrassment is that Peyser is not attending to the words of the women she quotes, but bouncing off the way Greg Gutfeld presented it:
"See, to them it’s dumb not to see relationships through the prism of anger, that love is really about power and ideology that forbids traditional old-fashioned gender roles.... So why not marry yourself instead? You never need to get out of sweat pants."What anger?
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That bitch....I'll bet she votes Republican. /sarc
what exactly is gender theory anyway? as described by Ryan , in a , IMO , derisive way towards Dunst
I just like how Dunst refuses to fall in line with the leftist thought enforcers.
So Kirsten Dunst can't speak just for herself, she has to speak for "the sisterhood" at all times? Why? because she's an actress?
"What anger?"
Have you read Jezebel?
Or do you call most of their articles whining instead of anger?
Do the people in the comments of the referenced article count as part of the sisterhood? They seem to be mostly female. If they could sink their actual teeth into Dunst, there would be only a few scraps left.
The Anger is the War on Patriarchy that Dunst has refuses to fight in...she wants to make love, not war.
The drums of the War on women need to be beat louder and louder to drown out the quiter Dunst
I think Peyser may have been reacting to the "Dunst thinks women should wife the fuck out" headline at Jezebel, and that UpRoxx called Dunst an "insufferable person," both of which, while not exactly hateful, are unpleasant and intolerant. Maybe they are a little hateful.
It's a tempest in a teapot, but it's a tempest, nonetheless. Apparently some people are fascinated by the tiniest kerfuffles. Gutfeld's entire schtick is finding something to react to, so this is in his wheelhouse. (A tempest in a teapot in a wheelhouse -- you can see how he makes it work for himself.) I mean, he does 2 shows a day, 5 days a week, and has to have something to talk about, so I don't blame him for bottom-feeding.
Peyser doesn't have the same excuse.
The left hive-mind gets very agitated when any member strays from the approved party line.
Is there anything more predictable than leftists denigrating "choices" that don't fit leftist doctrine?
The mind of a leftist is a very very fragile thing and must not be presented with any alternate viewpoints.
Althouse, do you realize how stupid and petty you sound for trying to point out how stupid and petty the "sisterhood" comment was? Point is, the Jezebel writer was being snarky and condescending about Dunst's opinion. Strange, feminism is no longer about choice and happiness, but conformity and service to an idea.
I never got the "I am woman hear me roar" crowd. Just think how insufferable that would sound from a man. By saying that, they are demonstrating (huh, demon in that word) the very idea they are rejecting. Nothing says feelings of in adequacy like saying "I am so equal to you, I have to shout about it!"
It's like demanding respect. You don't demand it, you earn it. example--I have no respect for Zero. And I think Helen Reddy is a fine singer and a handsome woman.
again..what is " gender theory " ?any comments ..Professor ?
The beatings will continue until we are all in complete agreement and thus the morale improves.
Men and women are complementary but equal. Apparently, in the 21st century, this is a controversial aspect of the natural and moral order. Well, that, and the myth of spontaneous conception attributed to the legendary stork delivery service.
traditionalguy:
Exactly. War, what is it good for?
Make life, not abortion.
I suppose both can be justified in self-defense; but, for money, for sex, for ego, for convenience, really?
Meow!
But seriously, this is why women will never ever run the world. Because even if they got close, the whole operation would dissolve into navel-gazing. Should we style ourselves the Supreme Directorate or the Utter Oligarchs? Which sounds less bitchy? Wait a minute, we should be totally OK with being bitchy if that's what we choose. It's all about choice, right? I dunno, I feel like you're oppressing me by making me choose whether choosing to be bitchy is ratifying choice or...fuck, the chauvinist pigs have knotted their loincloths into a rope and gone over the wall -- God damn it, who was supposed to be watching them?
Is it much like the feminist tactic of describing any unsupportive commentary as a "freakout"?
Prof., at least some of the presumed anger might be based not on these comments, but on past experience. And there is plenty of past experience to base it on.
I would note for perspective that their choice to describe the reaction as "angry" is no less valid than your choice to describe it as "a lighthearted wisecrack."
Maybe if my mom had more kids, I could be a part of the sisterhood.
But she went to work instead. (Just Kidding Mom!)
I never understood the sisterhood mentality.
Some of us work, some don't. whatever works for your home.
My mom always cooked on Sundays.
One of the things that prevent moms from being moms, is the chauffeuring to and from activities. There's a reason why my kids don't do 'travel teams'.
I'm really not looking forward to high school sports, if they do become involved.
Liberals believe in freedom of speech but only as long as you parrot exactly what they want you to say. Earth Spirits forbid that someone have an unapproved thought.
"Do the people in the comments of the referenced article count as part of the sisterhood? They seem to be mostly female. If they could sink their actual teeth into Dunst, there would be only a few scraps left."
You made me go look at the comments. Sorry, I'm not seeing much anger at the remark or maybe even any.
It's clear that Dunst has been disliked, possibly for her acting, for a long time, but the remark is not getting the outrage implied by the Gutfield meme, which people should be sharper than to pick up.
Cover your nose when you inhale in the vicinity of Gutfield, that's my recommendation.
Signed,
Your Psychotic Sister,
Althouse
"Liberals believe in freedom of speech but only as long as you parrot exactly what they want you to say."
Ironically, this is a case of conservatives parroting Gutfield.
Recommendation: Get your own brain.
Recommendation: Get your own brain.
Sorry, when I see one of your war on wymyn blogs, I want to use another brain. Mine's too precious to waste.
All hyperventilating aside, what Dunst said was correct and self evident, and should be part of the spectrum of choices for feminists to support.
For stating it though, she was criticized and called dumb. It really doesn't matter that some other writer exaggerated about the amount of vitriol, because the existence of any animus toward traditional gender roles is the point.
Would it be better for someone to write a smarter column about this? Sure. The writer might also get a clue that staying at home to nurture and care for your kids isn't about making Osso buco, too, but I put the lion's share of criticism on women who make a career of "gender studies" and refuse to acknowledge the obvious norms of our gender.
This is why I don't believe you when you say the right thing to do when someone says "root for Chelsea" is to go all "cheerleading? That's sexist!" on them.
Or I should say, I don't believe you would actually read about that kind of response and approve.
Sometimes things are blown out of proportion, sometimes someone is accused of blowing things out of proportion.
To-mayto. To-mahto
It's impossible to declare the one right way.
I like this:
In the newly released issue of W Magazine, Dunst was asked by the mag’s guest editor, filmmaker Sofia Coppola, if she was ever hit on sexually by a director.
Dunst laughed.
“I don’t give off that vibe,’’ she said. “I think that you court that stuff, and to me it’s crossing a boundary that would hinder the trust in your working relationship.’’
“I don’t give off that vibe,’’ she said. “I think that you court that stuff, and to me it’s crossing a boundary that would hinder the trust in your working relationship.’’
Exactly the sort of unenlightened nonsense the cis-normative, patriarch-addled brain might come up with. Or something...
HG said...
again..what is " gender theory " ?any comments ..Professor ?
4/22/14, 12:06 AM
Gender theory is the theory that everything that is wrong with the world is the fault of men. That men have oppressed women since there were women. That all men are either rapists or potential rapists. That there can never be equality between the sexes until all men are neutered (and maybe jailed). Women are all powerful except when they are not and in those cases a) men must help them and b) it is still the fault of men.
It appears that Feminism (as practiced today) is the product of a society that is sufficiently advanced and civilized to support such self-indulgent activities. There is no feminism in the Sudan. There is no feminism in North Korea. There is no feminism in the Amazon. Feminism will last all of about three days after the power goes out.
I've been a long time fan of Kirsten Dunst and I'm glad she has good common sense too.
I like Greg Gutfeld too.
Todd said...
Feminism will last all of about three days after the power goes out.
LOL.
Gender theorists of the world, unite!
thank you Todd..it is as i thought..a bunch of nonsense passing itself off as serious thought
I think it is fair to say that Kirsten Dunst was attacked because of her comment. I bet if she read what Ryan wrote about her, she would feel like she had been attacked.
Althouse paraphrases and quotes Ryan thus:
'Dunst is by profession an actress, not a gender theorist, so it's not surprising that she'd say something "kind of dumb," '
Just imagine how much ink and newsprint (OK, electrons) would be saved if everybody kept that idea in mind. (I'm looking at you, folks who react to the Dixie Chicks, and to Sean Penn). Also, this would have the salutary effect of never ever having another movie star testifying in Congress about anything other than Hollywood employment.
Though, in this case, I don't see anything dumb or objectionable in Dunst's remarks. They seem well within the normal range for contemporary life.
Gender theory, like any critical theory is what's dumb.
If something can be dumb as well as evil.
Recommendation: Get your own brain.
How about:
Liberals are fascists who don't wear jackboots.
Liberals are ignorant of history, economics, science and reality. Being ignorant isn't a crime - it's the natural state of humanity. Being willfully ignorant should at least be painful. If it were, we'd have less of it. Instead, when liberals are threatened with the consequences of their ignorance, we're expected to pick them up, dust them off, give them free stuff and apologize for not giving them everything they can possibly want.
Renee,
"I'm really not looking forward to high school sports, if they do become involved. "
Why? Are you talking school teams? If so, they usually do all the transporting, and while parents do get a few extra points for attending away games, I'm here to tell you the Parents Union does NOT make this a requirement.
When the issue of crazy feminists (or crazed and vindictive homosexuals) comes around, Althouse goes into the “nothing to see here, move on” mode. She is, after all, someone who fell for the Obama shtick, so she’s not that smart. And she enjoys the privileges of being part of privileged nomenklatura.
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