January 13, 2014

"What is this, trickle-down gender rights?"

Reddit discussion of this post of mine.


Shouting Thomas said...

Yes, the men's rights groups are just as annoying as the feminists.

For a brief period, I was involved.

What a mess!

Nobody cared for my advice, which was to chuck all the idiot intellectual shit and do things the way your father and grandfather did them.

There is no such thing as "gender rights." There are no problems to be solved here. Just spoiled brats with too much time and money on their hands.

cubanbob said...

Just read the comments there. largely a concentrated dose of economic stupidity.

tim in vermont said...

That is a pretty sad comment section. I guess I am just not hep to this whole reddit thing.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/12/reddit-major-share-random-url-server.html Caution, do not go to link if you are easily offended. The graphic pretty much sums up reddit, though.

rhhardin said...

Trickle down isn't dimes falling from the pockets of the rich.

Shouting Thomas said...

The ability of humans in a prosperous society to create non-existent problems for the sake of... what? ... is a curious phenomenon.

I think we do this purely for the entertainment value and ego fulfillment. For some reason, people recoil in anger from the notion that human needs and desires haven't changed much in thousands of years.

Perhaps, acknowledging that humans remain just about the same for generation after generation forces us to confront our mortality. We don't want to be like our parents in the most concrete way... we don't want to die.

n.n said...

Shouting Thomas:

We want to live forever. However, barring a natural revolution, we choose to live in the moment. That's where the problems begin. This childish evolution has promoted a demand for instant or immediate gratification of material, physical, and egoistic dreams. Unfortunately, resources are finitely available and accessible; physical fulfillment has becomes a priority; and chauvinism motivates prejudice.

The corruption sponsored by our progress was predictable and inevitable. It is a property of civilization, and is exacerbated by progressive morality.

Mortal beings pretending to be God will fail. Mortal beings who are bent on domination will become intolerable. Mortal beings without morality will join the Dodo Dynasty. It's ironic that secular individuals are most vulnerable to suffer evolutionary failure.

rhhardin said...

You don't live in the moment if you pray.

You're a child at the same time then.

traditionalguy said...

What about men's unalienable rights to get trickled down on?

The language doesn't convey the meaning very well.

rhhardin said...


Ignorance is Bliss said...

There's no such thing as gender rights. While we are at it, neither states nor corporations have rights either. Individuals have rights. One of these is the right to be governed at the state level on matters not assigned to the federal government in the US constitution. Another is to associate with other people ( including in the form of a corporation ) without losing their other rights.

Fen said...

The goal is to broaden the definition of "rights" until it means nothing.

madAsHell said...

My gender tends to trickle to the right. The other gender trickles down. It only gets worse with age.

Obama supports trickle equality for all.

rhhardin said...

There's all sorts of how to trickle standing up sites for women.

It seems like it would be a useful thing to learn.

Iconochasm said...

I had that same phrase recently pop into my head when reading a different reddit post, in which someone used Shriver's argument as a justification for banning discussion of men's issues.

Sam L. said...

I'll take First World Problems for $1000, Alex.

EDH said...

Hillary is just trying to judo Obama's poor economic performance into a gender issue.

Clinton, the former secretary of state and possible presidential contender, is one of a slew of high-profile contributors to a new report set to be released Sunday compiled by author and activist Maria Shriver and the liberal Center for American Progress.

“[Fighting] to give women and girls a fighting chance isn’t just a nice thing to do,” Clinton writes in “The Shriver Report: A woman’s nation pushes back from the brink.” “It isn’t some luxury that we only get to when we have time on our hands. This is a core imperative for every human being in every society. If we do not continue the campaign for women’s rights and opportunities, the world we want to live in — and the country we all love and cherish — will not be what it should be.”

Clinton’s essay is part of the book’s broader examination of working women and the economic challenges many confront, a cause she champions in many of her public appearances.

(Also on POLITICO: Will Obama drag down Hillary?)

“I think of the extraordinary sacrifices my mother made to survive her own difficult childhood, to give me not only life but also opportunity, along with love and inspiration,” Clinton writes. “I’m very proud of my own daughter, and I look at all these young women I’ve been privileged to work with or know through [daughter] Chelsea, and it’s hard to imagine turning the clock back on them. But in places throughout America large and small, the clock is turning back.”
Clinton points to a wide range of issues, from pay equity to work-family balance to life expectancy, as areas where women in the United States still face problems, though she also nods to gains in “business, academia, government—you name it.”

Contributors include pop star Beyonce Knowles-Carter, Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and basketball star LeBron James.

The report comes as Democrats have intensified their focus on addressing income inequality issues, starting with the unemployment benefits extension currently under consideration in Congress.

“There’s just a lot of facts that are driving this conversation,” said Neera Tanden, the president of the Center for American Progress and longtime adviser to Clinton, in an interview. “Wages have been down, we have the level of inequality that we do, people kind of feel like they’re falling behind … Those concerns are really highest amongst this group of women who are working and still aren’t able to get their heads above water.”

Through her family’s foundation, Clinton has launched “No Ceilings,” an initiative designed to promote women around the world, and a theme that comes through in the essay.

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