February 10, 2013

The editors of the Wall Street Journal: "Ben Carson for President."

Another egregious example of GOP types who gush with embarrassing enthusiasm in the presence of a black person who says some conservative things.

I have 2 problems with Ben Carson:

1. He had the opportunity to speak at a prayer breakfast with President Obama alongside him on the dais, and he used it to deliver a political lecture. I don't think that's right. Whatever your opinion of Obama's politics or the process by which he became President — which included plenty of embarrassing enthusiasm in the presence of a black person— he is the President, and — especially at a formal occasion like this — he deserves the respect embodied in the office of the President.

2. Ben Carson read a speech. It was a good speech — though, as noted above, it was not appropriate for the occasion — but it was a written speech. Carson is a pediatric neurosurgeon, not an economist or a  health care policy wonk or a speechwriter. We don't know what contribution he made to the writing of the speech. I don't know how that speech got into his hands, but once he had that position on the dais at the prayer breakfast, those hands were very valuable hands in which to put a speech. Who is the speechwriter? If it was Carson himself, alone, I'd be extremely impressed. And extremely surprised.

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Danno said...

Obama certainly has not maintained the decorum of the office of the President, i.e., bad-mouthed the Supreme Court's conservatives and the opposition party many times during speeches that should not be political, so he gets what he deserves!

Seeing Red said...

Thanks, PHX, for jogging my memory.

Comment on blogs long enough we can see some defaults, or pidgeonholes.

Basically what PHX suggested, for example, unless you've been an alcoholic, you can't tell people not to drink or the dangers of...or abortion, or drugs, or anything, you must either have experience or credentials in it.

It's a nice way of trying to shut down conversations.


Again, afaic, the credentialed experts are driving this country into the ground, and I am tired of all this failed social experimentation.

There are certain truths we hold self evident, boys & girls are different, they learn different, etc.

LilyBart said...

That said, conservatives are transparent when they fall over themselves praising a conservative black person. Its obvious why they like him.

Seriously?

I like him because I agree with what he said, and because he has a strong personal history of accomplishment and charitable actions that lend credibility and weight to his opinions. (as opposed to the community-organizer-in-chief who had little in the way of personal accomplishment and no discernable charitable impulses when he ran for office).

Most people I know don't care what color your skin is - they look at your accomplishments and your character.

Anonymous said...

"I have no problem believing he wrote the speech. It was crass to lecture the President at a prayer breakfast"

No, it was appropriate justice to lecture the President there.

The man you beat up on the Supreme Court Justices attending his SotU address (when they couldn't respond), and Paul Ryan in a situation where he couldn't respond, DESERVES to have this done to him, too.

Often.

Cody Jarrett said...

Just because I wanted it to be posted twice...:


ByondPolitics said...

Your penchant for seeing so much through race-tinted glasses made me cringe *again.* However, putting aside your tired cliches on that topic, I'm most surprised that you'd be so insulting to the speaker, a distinguished an honored medical doctor and author.

Yes. That's right. In addition to writing over 100 peer-reviewed neurosurgical articles, Dr. Carson has written several best-selling books. His first was published over 16 years ago. This was in the same era that Obama published "Dreams from my Father ..." and his agents were plugging him as a rising star born in Kenya. Of course, Dr. Carson had accomplished a great deal by then while Obama had only managed to finish law school before he wrote(?) his autobiography. I met "Barry" once or twice in Hyde Park before he went to Law School when I was at UofC. I can assure you his accomplishments were meager.

Unlike Obama, who came from a privileged upper-middle-class background, Dr. Carson's story is truly inspirational.

It surprises me that you don't give this man credit for his ability to write and instead imply he's merely a puppet. That attitude towards him is demeaning and just makes you look foolish & ill-informed.

I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised that you didn't use Dr. Carson's speech in another embarrassing ham-fisted attempt to earn pennies by hawking his book.

Anonymous said...

"That said, conservatives are transparent when they fall over themselves praising a conservative black person. Its obvious why they like him."

I like him for the same reasons LilyBart does. That said, if Carson was a person of pallor, the storyline would be "see how disrespectfully this old white guy treated Our Black Jesus. Of course, he's a RACIST!" Carson's skin color negates that.

But of course, as the left knows, if you can't shout "racist!" you scream "Uncle Tom!" instead. Coming in one, two, three seconds...

Ned said...

Ever doubt that libs have the thought process of a child read this althouse post...Good God!
"You just like him 'cuz he's BLACK...and don't DISRESPECT the president!"
Imbecile pure and simple...

Ned said...

Ever doubt that libs have the thought process of a child read this althouse post...Good God!
"You just like him 'cuz he's BLACK...and don't DISRESPECT the president!"
Imbecile pure and simple...

edutcher said...

Lem said...

What Jim Bullock said... @1:23

Wait... why is he repeating the same post over and over?

I read it once... why say it again and again?


Blogger may have the hiccups again.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

For the sake of argument, lets say Carson did run for president... is it possible we would know more about Ben Carson than we will ever know about our president of the United States... right now.

I would not be impressed nor surprised if that were the case.

mtrobertsattorney said...

I can't believe Ann really believes such nonsense. I think she was just trying to shake up her readers much like a good professor will often take an absurd position just to get her class energized.

That said, this was a prayer BREAKFAST. Dr. Carson was not in a church or synagogue. He was a guest speaker at a breakfast where somebody else actually delivered the prayer.

Surely Ann can't be saying that all those seated at those round tables enjoying their ham and eggs, out of respect to Obama, should refrain from discussing any policy ideas that differ from Obama's. That would be ridiculous.

Not to be overlooked, is the added bonus of seeing a visibly angry Obama glaring over at Dr. Carson wondering who the hell is responsible for inviting this guy. This tells us something about Obama's character.

Meade said...

"...one hope to heal our land..."

mtrobertsattorney said...

I can't believe Ann really believes such nonsense. I think she was just trying to shake up her readers much like a good professor will often take an absurd position just to get her class energized.

That said, this was a prayer BREAKFAST. Dr. Carson was not in a church or synagogue. He was a guest speaker at a breakfast where somebody else actually delivered the prayer.

Surely Ann can't be saying that all those seated at those round tables enjoying their ham and eggs, out of respect to Obama, should refrain from discussing any policy ideas that differ from Obama's. That would be ridiculous.

Not to be overlooked, is the added bonus of seeing a visibly angry Obama glaring over at Dr. Carson wondering who the hell is responsible for inviting this guy. This tells us something about Obama's character.

edutcher said...

FWIW, though only a bit OT, one of the most active writers on the GWOT, Brigitte Gabriel, says a lot more is going to come out about Benghazi on Fox News.

As I keep saying, this thing ain't goin' away.

LilyBart said...
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Ann Althouse said...

I looked up his books on Amazon. Of course, I don't know if they are ghostwritten, but they are inspirational books published by Zondervan, which promotes itself as an "Evangelical publisher of Bibles, Christian books for adults and children, audio books, videos, software."

Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy? Perhaps his policy suggestion is based on nothing but ideology about how the individual ought to run his own financial affairs and there's something wrong with the pooling of risk that is the norm in insurance.

Going gaga over this man is embarrassing.

It's fine to respect his ability to do brain surgery on children. Obviously, I'm impressed by that, but I am reacting to A WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PROMOTING HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

Come on, people. Let's get a grip.

James said...
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Caroline said...

As to whether this was an appropriate forum for Dr. Carson to make his speech: I'm not familiar enough with prayer breakfasts to know what they are for, or what is typically said; but perhaps Dr. Carson thinks divine intervention is needed to help the economy. Who knows?

Was it disrespectful to Obama? Really, what difference does it make? This is a President who thinks so highly of his office that he campaigns on a show hosted by a guy called the "pimp with a limp", and who "slow-jammed" the news with two-bit comedian Jimmy Fallon. I'm waiting for our "American idol" president to show up as a guest judge on American Idol, and complete the circle of absurdity.

It's embarrassing for you that you think the ability to write a good speech is such an improbability for this educated, accomplished man. There is a touch of elitist snobbery-- some might say something uglier -- in your opinion. Are you tone deaf about how your comment comes across?

Or are you, as they say, mindfucking us for page hits? Are you a blogstitute!?

James said...

Wow...Ann's comments are insulting on so many levels. I happen to know Dr. Carson personally and I can assure you he mostly speaks extemporaneously or with just brief scribbled notes. There's no doubt that what he expressed were his thoughts only. Having sat in bible study with him countless times, I don't even think he's conservative; he'd probably describe himself as a classical liberal with some libertarian leanings.

Its obvious that Ann does not know many people of faith. Carson is a devout Seventh-Day Adventist just like Admiral Barry Black, the current U.S. Senate Chaplain, and Wintley Phipps, who sang at Clinton's and both of Obama's inaugurations.

Lost in all the discussion is the fact that the speech really was about education and how it provided him with a path out of poverty.

Baron Zemo said...

WHY WOULD YOU BE IMPRESSED WITH WHAT A BRILLIANT SURGEON HAS TO SAY ABOUT HEALTHCARE!

IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WHO MUST BE RESPECTED AT ALL TIMES!

IT ONLY COUNTS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS BLACK SO YOU HAVE TO BE EXTRA SPECIAL CAREFUL ABOUT HOW YOU TREAT HIM.

YOU SHOULD IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE DOCTOR IS BLACK!

GET A GRIP!

WHY AM I SHOUTING!

I OWN A BLACK DOG AND YOU BETTER NOT SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT HIM EITHER!

LilyBart said...

Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy?

Where is Obama's expertise in these matters? Yet he doesn't shy away from discussing them. And the Doctor likely has far more expertise in healthcare than the community organizer.

Going gaga over this man is embarrassing.

I've felt that way for the last several years re: Obama. So much praise - so little accomplishment.

I didn't read the article - it was behind a paywall. Was the WSJ actually putting him out as a candidate or saying - hey, look at this guy!


Baron Zemo said...

WAIT A MINUTE!

I ONLY RENT THE DOG!

I WON'T BUY ONE UNTIL I CAN GET ONE THAT IS BOTH BLACK AND GAY!

HELP ME MY CAPS KEY IS STUCK!

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Maybe you need to "get a grip" and do a clear-eyed examination of the condescension, arrogance and ego you are displaying today, Althouse. You shit the bed on this one, just like you did with the "ugly" Obamaphones post. It might behoove you to once in a while grant that others' criticisms of your claims might possibly have merit. Pride goeth before a fall.

Cody Jarrett said...

Okay, show us where Obama's expertise in...well, anything really...is?

Show us the proof he went to medical school, or Pelosi or Reid did, so they're qualified to take over health care?

Hell--show us where your qualifications are to talk about much of what you talk about daily?

Are you seriously saying that a man can't be informed of many things?

When you get to the bottom of the hole be sure to stop digging, okay?

Matt said...

Obama gave one speech during the DNC and his party declared, "Obama for President!" Many otherwise intelligent people jumped on board that hype train including you, Prof. Althouse. Now, you have the audacity to accuse conservatives of hyping up someone because he is black based on the editorial of a single newspaper? Look in the mirror.

Oh, and why would you think he didn't write his own speech? I generally respect you, Professor, but you erroneously slapped down the race card twice this hand.

Cody Jarrett said...

"...he'd probably describe himself as a classical liberal with some libertarian leanings."

I would so take that in a heartbeat.

Unknown said...

So MS. Althouse, what are YOUR credentials to comment on healthcare policy? Are you a trained economist or haeltcare administrator?

Answer:

From Wiki: Althouse has a degree in fine art from the University of Michigan, B.F.A. 1973, and graduated first in her class from New York University School of Law, J.D. 1981.[1].

So may we assume you will not express your opinion about things other than Fine Arts or legal theory? One can only hope

Unknown said...

So MS. Althouse, what are YOUR credentials to comment on healthcare policy? Are you a trained economist or haeltcare administrator?

Answer:

From Wiki: Althouse has a degree in fine art from the University of Michigan, B.F.A. 1973, and graduated first in her class from New York University School of Law, J.D. 1981.[1].

So may we assume you will not express your opinion about things other than Fine Arts or legal theory? One can only hope

Unknown said...

From Wiki:

Althouse has a degree in fine art from the University of Michigan, B.F.A. 1973, and graduated first in her class from New York University School of Law, J.D. 1981.

So Ms. Althous, will you limiting your commentary to the fine arts and legal theory? One can only hope.

Baron Zemo said...


HE WAS PUBLISHED BY AN EVANGICAL BOOK COMPANY SO THAT MEANS THEY BELEIVE IN GOD AND STUFF!!!!!

SO THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO PUBLISH ANYTHING WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT!
THEY PUBLISH BIBLES FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IF HE HAD A SAKE IF HE REALLY EVER EXISTED!

GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!

NOT YOU GARAGE .....THAT'S DISGUSTING.... PUT AWAY THOSE TEXTS OF BRETT FARVES JUNK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!

Unknown said...

He may not be trained economist or healthcare expert. Neither is Obama but that doesn't stop liberal from going gaga over every word that spills from his mouth on these subjects.

edutcher said...

Ann Althouse said...

Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy? Perhaps his policy suggestion is based on nothing but ideology about how the individual ought to run his own financial affairs and there's something wrong with the pooling of risk that is the norm in insurance.

I have a feeling his expertise on health care policy is no different from The Blonde's - a lifetime in the trenches of watching what worked and what didn't.

I don't doubt our vets can relay all manner of vignettes about some of the Pentagonal brainstorms even men on their first hitch knew wouldn't work.

As for economic expertise, what's expert about lying ("If you like your plan, you can keep it") or blithering incompetence ("We have to pass it to see what's in it")?

Going gaga over this man is embarrassing.

I'd quarrel with that word in relation to Dr Carson. Ill-advised, perhaps.

Going gaga over a first term Senator with a record of failure in his chosen profession and a record of partisanship, dirty dealing, and no accomplishments except for setting a record for voting, "Present", is embarrassing.

LilyBart said...


I call BS:

Your link allowed me to read the (very short) article. (my earlier attempt to access the article failed as it was behind the paywall - so thank you Ann).

The article does NOT appear to be actually buildng a case for his candidacy - its just the headline. I think you've overplayed your outrage.

Anonymous said...

"There is a touch of elitist snobbery-- some might say something uglier -- in your opinion. Are you tone deaf about how your comment comes across?"

She really seems to be. And this is the same blogger who said mocking the Obamaphone woman was racist and thought Hillary was sending a subliminal message ("the child's pajamas say NIG!") during the 2008 campaign.

I'm not ready to proclaim Dr. Carson the GOP's new shining star either. (And has Carson himself expressed any interest in running for office? Not that I know of.) But "where's the expertise in economics and health care policy?"

Where's Obama's? Where's Biden's?

edutcher said...

PS Yep, Blogger's got the hiccups today.

chickelit said...

Althouse comments: I looked up his books on Amazon. Of course, I don't know if they are ghostwritten, but they are inspirational books published by Zondervan, which promotes itself as an "Evangelical publisher of Bibles, Christian books for adults and children, audio books, videos, software."

Zondervan triggered a memory for me. They published the Bible given to me in June 8, 1969 (according to the inscription). I think they've been in the business for a long time.

Does seeing something published by "Olympia Press" or "City Lights" automatically set off a "that-must-be-cool" bias for you, Althouse?

I'm Full of Soup said...

:Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy? "

Good God - if that is your criterion, wtf do you ever reference anything by Andrew Sullivan, Ezra Klein, David Brooks, etc etc

Chip S. said...

Althouse successfully jump-starts the thread.

600 jiggety gazillion economists endorse Romney. Paul Krugman and a handful of other ideologues endorsed Obama.

So I think Obama should resign, since he wouldn't have been elected by a panel of experts.

At a minimum, he's certainly not qualified to talk about economic policy.

What, exactly, is he qualified to talk about? Other than the father he never knew and the imaginary gfs he also never "knew", that is.

Big Mike said...

Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy?

Um, where was the expertise in economics and health care policy with the candidate you apparently voted for in 2008. (I'm presuming that you voted for the Democrat, which I think is reasonable based on your "How McCain lost me" post.

Heck, where is his expertise on economics and health care policy today?

Anonymous said...

From Wiki:

"Carson has received numerous honors and many awards over the years, including over 60 honorary doctorate degrees. He was also a member of the American Academy of Achievement, the Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans, the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, the Yale Corporation (the governing body of Yale University), and other prestigious organizations. He sits on many boards including the Board of Directors of Kellogg Company, Costco Wholesale Corporation, and America's Promise. He was also the president and co-founder of the Carson Scholars Fund, which recognizes young people of all backgrounds for exceptional academic and humanitarian accomplishments. In 2007, Carson was inducted into the Indiana Wesleyan University Society of World Changers and received an honorary doctorate while speaking at the university. He returned to IWU the following year when his friend, Tony Dungy, was also inducted into the society.[4] In 2006, he was awarded the Spingarn Medal from the NAACP.[5] On June 19, 2008, Carson received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President George W. Bush. He is a recipient of the Ford's Theatre Lincoln Medal and the William E. Simon Prize for Philanthropic Leadership, and was elected to the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the United States National Academy of Sciences."

But no, he couldn't possibly write a speech.

Aridog said...

This entire topic lineage is embarrassing.

Come on, people. Let's get a grip.

Right, like many did in 2005 for an unaccomplished nobody keynoter at a 2004 political convention, and in 2008 for a unaccomplished nobody candidate...one who had none of the credentials demanded of Dr Carson....never mind actual real life accomplishments.

Next...how many times do we need to refer to "black conservative" as if that is a different species or something? Now THAT should be embarrassing.

Anybody here or elsewhere, who knows anything about him, unaware Dr Carson is an African American? One who survived a Detroit ghetto versus private school and relative luxury in Hawaii?

Would all this "embarrassment offense" taken be applicable if Dr Carson were white? Like,oh, say...Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., Geneticist, and 2007 Prayer Breakfast Speaker, who said: ...the Prayer Breakfast is where we are all supposed to break out of our comfort zones.

Baron Zemo said...

STOP THIS NONSENSE!

GET A GRIP!

PEOPLE OF FAITH OR WHO HAVE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE IN A FIELD MUST NOT BE LISTENED TO IN REGARDS TO HEALTH CARE!

HE DIDN'T WRITE THAT SPEECH!

HE IS JUST A RELIGIOUS DOODYHEAD WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE BLACK!

WHERE ARE MY PANCAKES!!!!!!

I GET GRUMPY WHEN I DON'T GET MY PANCAKES!!!!!!!!!!

James said...

What Ann fails to understand is that Carson's faith informs everything he says and does. Adventists believe that health is "the right arm of the message" and they back it up by operating the second largest health care system in the U.S. after Catholics.

In that sense Carson is the latest in a line of Adventist physicians that have attempted to influence health practices and health care in the U.S. That line stretches back to the Kellogg brothers who revolutionized American health care by establishing sanitariums, invented corn flakes as a health food, and helped spur the Temperance Movement of the late 19th century.

Baron Zemo said...

GREAT!

NOW YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO CAPTAIN CRUNCH ON BENGHAZI!!!!!

WHERE WILL IT ALL END!!!!!!!

Krumhorn said...

Where's the expertise in economics and health care policy? Perhaps his policy suggestion is based on nothing but ideology about how the individual ought to run his own financial affairs and there's something wrong with the pooling of risk that is the norm in insurance.


Hmmmmmm...... Is that a correct statement of the ideological posture? Probably not. In general, it's the view of a conservative that the choice is between a preference for private non-criminal decisions over governmental decisions made for us, often disastrously for all concerned. It's not antipathy to pooled risk. It's antipathy to shiny-pants'd faceless apparatchiks and craven politicians, all with far too much power, directing our lives down their preferred channels.

Ok, I admit it. I hear a minority voice my thoughts, and I get a chubby.

There. It's said.

- Krumhorn

avwh said...

Carson has accomplishments that run circles around the jug-eared POTUS's when he ran for President.

It's incredible to me that Carson's credentials are being questioned by Althouse to deliver the speech he gave at the prayer breakfast.

AllenS said...

edutcher said...
PS Yep, Blogger's got the hiccups today.

Empty your cache.

AllenS said...

Obama's sole expertise is in community organizing, where he accomplished absolutely fucking nothing.

Chip S. said...

Empty your cache.

Also, use that little trash can icon.

somefeller said...

Althouse says:It's fine to respect his ability to do brain surgery on children. Obviously, I'm impressed by that, but I am reacting to A WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PROMOTING HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

Now, now. Context is a liberal elitist concept. The important thing here is that he criticized Obama. That's all that matters.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Obama is all hype. what experience did he have? He's a community organizer president who voted "present" with no experience.

So - so - so.
We could solve a lot of our economic problems with ideas that don't come out of the democrat Paul Krugman play book.

Unknown said...

Mrs. Meade:

I have two problems with your criticism with Dr. Carson:
1. Your problem is with the WSJ's reaction to his speech, not the speech itself. This is not in Dr. Carson's control. If not for the WSJ reaction, you would not have posted a comment. But how do I know? The same way you seem to know that Dr. Carson did not write his speech.
2. The negative comments you are receiving are not because you are shocked at the WSJ hyperbole...turning one speech into a presidential referendum. Perhaps many of your readers agree. No, it's that you go further and comment on the appropriateness of the forum and even worse on whether the speaker spoke his own words. Maybe you should get a grip.

furious_a said...

Althouse: A WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PROMOTING HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

Jeebus, lady, get a grip (and learn to read). It was a tongue-in-cheek headline where the only presidential references in the body of the editorial were to the office's current occupant.

Althouse: We don't know what contribution he made to the writing of the speech...

Ahhhh, the soft bigotry of Althouse's low expectations rears its ugly head.

Ugly.

Lawyer Mom said...

@Ann Althouse said "It's fine to respect his ability to do brain surgery on children. Obviously, I'm impressed by that, but I am reacting to A WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PROMOTING HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE."

Thou dost capitalize too much.

I'm in the @lilybart camp: "I call BS"

But at least your original post proves Carson's point re political correctness.

Martha said...

Dr. Carson's life story trumps Obama's dreams from his father. Obama's greatest challenge growing up was how to identify with his Black half since he was raised by his white relatives.

Obama attended an elite prep school. Obama's father had a Masters degree in economics from Harvard. Obama's mother eventually got a Ph.D.

Dr. Carson was born 100% Black and poor with no dreams from his absent father. His mother had a third grade education.

Dr. Carson is the real American success story.

Seeing Red said...

Umm, Professor?

I'm not so fond of the experts we have running health care & econ policy now, they are very credentialed, tho.

They are also wrong.

Chef Mojo said...

I'm just catching up with this thread.

Wow, Althouse. When you screw the pooch, you really go full-tilt boogie on it, doncha?

Baron Zemo said...

WHY DO YOU THINK ZEUS IS ALWAYS SCARED IN THE PHOTOS THAT I POST OF HIM?

Jourtegrity said...

I watched this video yesterday. I haven't had a smile on my face (regarding politics) since October. It was fantastic and totally appropriate. Althouse, unfortunately my respect for you has markedly waned because of this post. Please tell us that you were under the influence of some kind of drug when you wrote it.

furious_a said...

@Ann Althouse said It's fine to respect his ability to do brain surgery on children...

Wasn't aware your blessing was required to do so.

David said...

So why was Obama at a prayer breakfast? Not because of his religious devotion, to be sure. Obama is using this prayer meeting for political purposes. Why not the other guests?

Sam L. said...

Sorry, Ms. Ann, but turnabout is fair play. Benghazi Barry gives lectures all the time.

And, respect. Not shown to SCOTUS at a SOTU, nor Paul Ryan at something else.

edutcher said...

When some phony folksy has nothing to say, he can always be counted upon to say it.

AllenS said...

PS Yep, Blogger's got the hiccups today.

Empty your cache.


My cache is just fine, good sir.

Nini said...

I've heard 3 video interviews of Dr Carson-- one given here in Australia when he visited a few years ago. Some of what he said in his breakfast prayer speech I've heard before. How he said it in his breakfast prayer speech sounded like any other interviews he gave, that I've heard of, so it's very unlikely that he did not write that speech himself.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Sometimes Althouse is just too stupid for words to express.

Big Mike said...

I realize that I'm piling on here, but the more I think about it, why should a pediatric neurosurgeon be a worse choice for President than a former community organizer (whose community was already organized) and part-time law school lecturer?

Caroline said...

The article does NOT appear to be actually buildng a case for his candidacy - its just the headline. I think you've overplayed your outrage.

Maybe she's playing an analogy game: Just like "liberals" went gaga over Obama because he was black, now conservatives are, in her opinion, doing the same with Carson. She puts down Carson in the same way people put down Obama-- that he is an unqualified puppet who reads speeches written by others.

Of course she is too clever by half if she plays this game and no one "gets" it -- unless the only goal is to pleasure herself over how she fooled us rubes (some form of blogsturbation -- to continue with my earlier analogy.)

The big problem with the analogy is that Obama actually IS an unqualified puppet who reads speeches written by others. Carson is a brain surgeon. Next to rocket scientist, there is no one smarter.

edutcher said...

AllenS said...

PS Yep, Blogger's got the hiccups today.

Empty your cache.

My cache is just fine, good sir.


Forgive me, sir, for not asking earlier, but how's your browser?

Big Mike said...

I realize that I'm piling on here, but the more I think about it, why should a pediatric neurosurgeon be a worse choice for President than a former community organizer (whose community was already organized) and part-time law school lecturer?

That's the point. Zero's community was a mess and he made it worse - unfit for human habitation, in the words of the Chicago housing authority.

AllenS said...

My browser is fine. As near as I can tell. Blogger? Hard to say, but judging by the number of people who double, or triple post the same comment, I'd say that Blogger has some issues.

I'll copy this comment, just in case.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Sometimes Althouse is just too stupid for words to express.

Geez. You guys are a bit harsh. Some people just have bad days.

Given the half dozen or more (at least) posts that A.A. uploads every day, I'm sure at least a couple of them here or there might not pass muster. Or ideological consistency. Or whatever.

Chill out a bit. She has posted way worse things than this. And we're all (only) human.

And most of all, at least give her credit for wanting to be something a bit more than just another partisan every now and then.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and Democrats can rest easy.

Even if he is a Republican and wishes to run for office (two things we do not know), bear in mind that the man lives in Baltimore.

Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton or Our Lord Jesus Christ could not get elected in Maryland if they ran on the GOP ticket.

DADvocate said...

If you're going to play the other-people-are-stupid game, you have to play well.

Give respect where respect is due. The office of president deserves no more respect than the person in it. He's supposed to be a public servant, not our master. He gave Obama more respect than I would have.

You lose this round. Attorney heal thy self.

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Barry Goldwater

Michael K said...

"Blogger Erika said...

Maybe you need to "get a grip" and do a clear-eyed examination of the condescension, arrogance and ego you are displaying today, Althouse. You shit the bed on this one, just like you did with the "ugly" Obamaphones post. It might behoove you to once in a while grant that others' criticisms of your claims might possibly have merit. Pride goeth before a fall. "

Boy oh boy. Did you hit the nail on this comment.

I was working on the theory that garage hacked the web site and posted that item to make Ann look foolish and racist.

The fact that she posted a follow up comment as mean spirited and condescending as the original post was enough to convince me that I was wrong.

The similarity between Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson stands out in my mind. Justice Thomas' biography was one I strongly encouraged my children to read. Without much success, I might add.

Ben Carson is an outstanding member of a specialty that requires extra intelligence. First, Johns Hopkins is a special place. I would have given a lot to spend a few years there. Just as I would have given a lot to spend a few years at Cal Tech when Richard Feynman was there.

The fact that I had the chance but couldn't take advantage of it makes the loss that more painful. I never thought that time at a state law school compared in the level of opportunity or accomplishment. No offense.

Ben Carson makes me think of Vivien Thomas who, as a black man in the 1920s and 1930s, became one of the great heart surgeons of the world. Fortunately for humanity, Alfred Blalock realized the fact and made Thomas his chief of the research lab. In 1944, as he did the first blue baby surgery, Thomas stood at his elbow and talked him through the surgery with the experience of hundreds of similar surgeries on dogs.

There is a rumor in heart surgery that Al Starr had a similar black lab tech who had placed thousands of artificial valves in dogs and cats, which are much harder to operate on than humans. The rumor has it that this man was the best heart surgeon in the world.

Ben Carson stands so far above the average law professor that criticism of him seems sacrilegious.

Anonymous said...

Apparently Ann doesn't remember the prayer breakfast speeches for the last 5 years. The conflation of black nationalism and christian homiletics that Obama learned at Wright's church has infected every "prayer-related" gathering he attends.

I find it stunning that she'd even make (completely and totally unfounded AND irrelevant) accusation #2. It sounds like she thinks of the well-regarded surgeon as some sort of non-thinking errand boy for some larger political force. Seriously Ann, what the hell? Where on earth did that come from? You've exposed just enough of your thinking here to make people think the worst of you.

Deb said...

A really disappointing post.

Karen said...

Wait, Ann, did you watch the whole thing? Calling it "lecturing Obama" is really quite preposterous. His main point is that we need to learn to speak our beliefs even when it is uncomfortable or when we might be labeled unPC, and that people from both sides speaking their beliefs will ultimately result in significant solutions to our seemingly intractable problems. No lecture. No confrontation. Nothing disrespectful. I recommend you watch it again.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Going gaga over this man is embarrassing.

Lets just say that its too soon after Obama for Althouse to... believe again.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

"Atticus says cheating a black man is ten times worse than cheating a white."

To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)

XRay said...

You've put up a lot of posts, tonight, since this one, Althouse. But I'll not forget this one, your condescension, your racism.

You're no friend of anyone, not even borrowed dogs.

Anonymous said...

Oh bullshit, XRay.

Anonymous said...

And XRay, if you don't like Althouse, why don't you refrain from commenting, who are you? Judge, Jury and Executioner?

XRay said...

Which you just made yourself of me, right, Inga.

Anonymous said...

Well then, how does it feel?

XRay said...

It feels like nothing, which is what Althouse will feel about my comment, as she will never read it, and if she should will ignore it, anyway. Just like she will ignore this whole posts comments. Just like I am now going to ignore your last late night chance at conversation.

Anonymous said...

Huh? Conversation?

You certainly do not need to answer this. When Althouse doesnt toe the line of conservative purity, her loyal commenters rip her to shreds. It's sad to see.

chickelit said...

Lem said...
'Atticus says cheating a black man is ten times worse than cheating a white.'

To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)


Funny that that line didn't make it into the screen play. I wonder why. The original text used "colored" instead of "black" but so what? The earlier vernacular for "colored" was even more offensive today--unless you think Harper Lee was a racist.

One day we'll realize that we're fighting about words here and not real people.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Althouse should take it as a compliment that so many of her regular commenters were surprised and disappointed by this post, and by her intransigence when confronted by the errors in her thinking and attitude. We expect better from her.

Inga, I love that pretty picture you're using. Who is it?

Anonymous said...

Mata Hari

iowan2 said...

Perhaps someone else has made the prediction.....I suspect that A H is borrowing a Rush ploy. Hijack classic leftist techniques, apply them to a current event that has the DNC communication division (MSM), in a twist and let the faithful stew and froth at the slap in the face from their ideological peer. At the same time sucking in the true low information voters that troll about,(Inga etal)
In the end, a way to burn up a Sunday without the NFL and weather fit mostly to stay at the computer and practice logic and rhetoric.

It is the only logical conclusion, given the illogical, condescending and racist blather, tossed out as red meat

Michael K said...

"Blogger Inga said...

And XRay, if you don't like Althouse, why don't you refrain from commenting, who are you? Judge, Jury and Executioner?"

Inga, you cannot, and be honest, defend this whole thread. Ann was wrong and needs to accept that. You are a reflex leftist who cannot accept any criticism of your messiah. Ben Carson is what Obama should have been and isn't. Nothing will change that. Nothing will change the fact that there is no affirmative action in neurosurgery.

Anonymous said...

Michael K, she was wrong in one regard. She questioned his ability to write that speech. I don't understand it. I did state early in the thread that I had no problem believing he wrote the speech.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps not even his ability to write it, but the fact that he would write such a speech? As I said, I'm puzzled as to her motive for asserting he may not have written it.

JAL said...

A couple things occurred to me as I watched the Carson speech.

1) Here is a black man whose life story, achievements, and contributions to humanity, not to mention picky things like content, style and delivery, overshadowed the created black [bi-racial] personna of Barack Obama.

The genuine article was at the podium.

2) It was a bit unsettling to listen to Carson and watch Obama's face and body language. (But then, I am not a big one for upsetting the apple cart.) Barack Obama was not a happy camper.

3) It intrigued me that Carson specifically stated that we had very smart leaders in Washington who could solve our problems. There was no sense of irony or mocking there. No ding on the POTUS.

4) He never named Obama, he provided other solutions for problems he sees. (The $16 trillion example was pretty wild.) He encouraged (gasp) bipartisan problem solving.

5) Here is a man who puts his money where his mouth was.

6) He never um'ed. His inflection was natural.

7) He has written a book about how wonderful America is.

As someone above noticed, Obama did not applaud after it began Michelle did) and at the end, he did not stand up straight, and acknowledge the speaker, he stood up hunched and sat down. (Was that disrespectful?)

I also see that Candy Crawford thought it fit to carry water for her heart throb Barack on CNN.(Who *is* this woman and why is she on TV?). And Rep Jan Shakowsky (D-IL) actually said that "Carson’s message displayed an “empathy gap” between where the American propel [people] are and where Carson, and other conservatives, want the nation to go. 'We need to have an economy that works for everyone,' she concluded.

A neurosurgeon who saves little children's brains displayed an "empathy gap" because he thinks it worthy to set up reading programs and scholarships for kids, that people should learn to take personal responsibility and people who make a lot of money should not be punished for doing so?

Hysterical.

JAL said...

If you haven't checked out wikipedia on Ben Carson, you should. Something the professor woulg have been wise to do, given her bizarre comment on Carson's intellect.

Unknown said...

how funny and illogical to think that a man with his brain power (no pun intended)
couldn't craft thoughts this intelligent and logical, and then speak them without a teleprompter, he teaches neurology and performs research in the same field ... a helluva lot easier to craft a speech than operating on a baby's brain inside the womb !

Gary Rosen said...

"It's fine to respect his ability to do brain surgery on children. Obviously, I'm impressed by that, but I am reacting to A WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL PROMOTING HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE."

Yes, we need more lawyers like Eliot Spitzer, Barack Obama, Bob Menendez ...

Gary Rosen said...

"Carson has accomplishments that run circles around the jug-eared POTUS's when he ran for President."

To be fair, the same could be said of most plumbers and electricians among others (like anyone who has ever held a real job).

Deb said...

Iowan 2 said : "...It is the only logical conclusion, given the illogical, condescending and racist blather, tossed out as red meat..."

If that is true, even more disappointing.

Michael Haz said...

If Ben Carson had said that he found scriptural support for gay marriage Althouse would be hailing him as the kind of visionary the GOP needs.

edutcher said...

OT, but probably more important in the long run than whether the good doctor was capable of doing his own speechifyin' and something Ann should open for discussion:

Pope Benedict will resign at the end of the month. What makes this relevant to me is this line from Newsmax:

"Benedict, the 265th pope, is the sixth German to serve as pope and the first since the 11th century. He has led church after the third-longest papacy in church history and during a time in which the church is declining in his native Europe but expanding in Africa and Latin America."

Considering how well Islam was supposed to be doing in the Dark Continent, we may be seeing an historical cycle coming to an end.

And just in time.

Can't wait to hear what Hatman has to say.

Erika said...

Inga, I love that pretty picture you're using. Who is it?

Inga said...

Mata Hari

Thought so.

And I'll leave it at that.

For now.

Cody Jarrett said...

Inga said...

And XRay, if you don't like Althouse, why don't you refrain from commenting, who are you? Judge, Jury and Executioner?


Cuz she blogs in public space and invites comments?

I don't see a little paragraph anywhere that says we have to agree with her slavishly.

Pablo said...

"Is Obama the only one who gets to be political, anywhere, all the time? I was offended by his comment that he can't believe people pray together and then go out and criticize one another the same day."

That's especially ridiculous coming from a man who worshiped before the altar of Jeremiah Wright.

Unknown said...

"he can't believe people pray together and then go out and criticize one another the same day."
Wow, they must not pray much at his house. We can hardly get through a meal after saying a blessing on the food.
He must be some kind of miracle worker if his girls don't pray and resume the fight they were in.

Aridog said...

wyo sis said...

Wow, they must not pray much at his house. We can hardly get through a meal after saying a blessing on the food.


Yep. A quick "Good Food, Good Meat, Good God, Let's Eat" blessing is merely a precursor to continuing whatever argument du jour was underway.

If there is total unmitigated agreement between everyone who prays together, that's a cult, not a religion.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Ah, the soft bigotry of lilly white law professor's expecations.

Ugly Ann, just ugly. Your words I mean, not your failed efforts at staving off the effects of father time.

Racism and condescension from a law professor in Madison? What is it you like to chant up there, Shame! Shame! Shame!

Anyone who buys anything through Althouse's amazon portal is complicit in her racism.

Ugly.



X said...

cuz if there's one things boomers are about, it's showing respect, now that they're old that is. reap, sow, fuck the fuck off.

Amartel said...

Wait, a neurosurgeon can't write his own speech? Some nasty bad bad GOP insider has to do it for him? THink his thoughts for him and write them down on paper?

Also:

Wait, the President doesn't politicize prayer breakfasts? And everything else he does?

Double standards on parade today.

Meade said...

President-Mom-Jeans said...
"Ah, the soft bigotry of lilly white law professor's expecations.

Ugly Ann, just ugly. Your words I mean, not your failed efforts at staving off the effects of father time.

Racism and condescension from a law professor in Madison? What is it you like to chant up there, Shame! Shame! Shame!

Anyone who buys anything through Althouse's amazon portal is complicit in her racism.

Ugly."

Belying your assertion of racism and complicity in racism is the obvious fact that you continue to read and comment on her blog.

Amartel said...

Let me be clear: I don't think it's racism. I think the double standard is inside/outside the beltway. To think that a neurosurgeon can't have advanced and informed political thoughts and give a speech about them is, well, rather astounding. This is especially true in these times when beltway Washington is dictating to the medical establishment on how to practice medicine. There are a lot of pissed off MDs out there who've taken a sudden interest in just what's going on inside that beltway. In addition, he was not disrespectful of the President.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Meade,

I can live with whatever meager fractions of cents she gets per post or pageview, but certainly not a direct and substantial financial contribution ala Amazon.

Consider me the Catholic hospital and Ann the Obama administration, where I refuse to pay directly for contraception through insurance. Perhaps not a perfect metaphor, but I'm not getting paid for this.

I pay taxes but do not consider myself complicit in the inumerable fuckups of the Obama administration.

Jim Bullock said...

Sorry for the multiple posting.

I got caught in some kind of Google ID confirmation loop. Didn't realize it was posting the comment every time it said "Do something else."

Technology hard. (Would you believe I build computer systems for a living?)

mit05punchslap said...

Dr. Carson wrote his own speech. I know because Dr. Carson spoke at my medical school graduation in 2010. Most of his speech was pretty consistent with his remarks then (and in fact some of it was word for word). I also know it's consistent with his personality as one of the pediatric surgeons at my institution was very close friends with him (and told me that was exactly how he has been his entire life).

mit05punchslap said...

Dr. Carson wrote his own speech. I know because Dr. Carson spoke at my medical school graduation in 2010. Most of his speech was pretty consistent with his remarks then (and in fact some of it was word for word). I also know it's consistent with his personality as one of the pediatric surgeons at my institution was very close friends with him (and told me that was exactly how he has been his entire life).

Tina Trent said...

You're kidding, right?

A seasoned public speaker, an advocate for his cause, and a neurosurgeon, can't speak about health care law, and you think it's not his own words?

And you think conservative Republicans are condescending him?

You're a tenured law professor who begs people to buy cat food from Amazon.

Are you an expert in cat hunger?

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