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December 12, 2012
Gawker tells Steven Crowder to "stop whining, take your licks, and accept that getting hit in the face is a hazard of inserting yourself..."
"... in the middle of an argument between billionaire-funded know-nothing ideologues and people whose livelihoods and stability are being threatened by the insatiable greed of the super-rich and the blind extremism of their wooden-headed political allies. In exchange, liberals will buy you a band-aid for the cut on your forehead and re-iterate that Punching Is Bad. Sound good?"
I know. They're asking for it: a link. I'm a sucker... must say what baited to say blah blah blah blah liberals blah blaming the victim blah blah if a conservative said that about a woman blah blah blah blah she was asking for it blah blah wearing thatsmirking look short skirt on his face her female body blah blah....
I know. They're asking for it: a link. I'm a sucker... must say what baited to say blah blah blah blah liberals blah blaming the victim blah blah if a conservative said that about a woman blah blah blah blah she was asking for it blah blah wearing that
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It's been awhile since I read that encyclical, and none of its passages ring in my memory, so I won't make any pretenses.
There has been over a century of papal documents on this and related subjects; they are issued about every 10 years, and--as distinct from most other areas of Church teaching--they are highly intertwined with existing political situations and tend to try to be in dialogue with specific economic philosophies.
These two facts--the relative newness of the area of doctrine, and the fact that it's so conditioned to temporal situations--explain why it's rather hard to abstract timeless principles from it.
Just to key off of what you said: the priority of labor over capital. OK, yes: but what about when labor is capital? What do you call a laborer who owns shares in companies via a 401(k) or IRA--purchased with his labor? To cite my father: he owned a one-man business. It was his labor that earned his capital.
My point being that, beyond the obvious, that people are more important than money, the whole subject can get bogged down.
It's all bound up with the facts on the ground--that's what so many people fail to appreciate. I think the Church does appreciate that, better than most. After all, the Church knows full well what it is to operate under a variety of political systems, and in places where economic conditions vary widely. But Church teaching in this area has to be read with all this in mind.
To put it another way: the same pope who wrote that encyclical, also wrote Centessimus Annus.
Fascinating how so many of our hard core Lefties - harro, the brainless automaton - are all down and jiggy with tossing out the rule of law and all those other bourgeois conventions of civilization when it suits them.
Feels just like, oh..., Germany in the 20s.
President "Get in their faces, punch back twice as hard" must be so proud.
It would be interesting to hear the change in tone if Crowder had gone all Zimmermann on those clowns
Fr.
Appreciate the response. And promise I did read it, I wasn't just trying to poke you with a stick for a response.
To state something that would seem obvious, but maybe not...
The left's failure to care about actual union violence is even more outrageous given the histrionics over "civility" and "dog whistles" and so forth not so long ago, and the despicable attempts to link the assault on a Congresswoman to fairly innocuous rhetoric by Sarah Palin. All that civility crap was ridiculous, and yet the left was all over that with such intense moral umbrage.
I am glad to see Garage admit he is OK with union violence.
Now we know for sure where he is coming from.
harrogate is on record as being PRO-violence if you feel upset enough.
Alex is on record as being another reading-challenged Althousian.
Garage:
I'm in favor of everyone reading as many papal writings as possible!
Alex said...
harrogate is on record as being PRO-violence if you feel upset enough.
Why am I not surprised.
I'm sure he only advocates violence when provoked. Like if you're a conservative or a black man with a hotdog cart.
harrogate cannot tell me how the union employee is being injured.
... Reading this thread, I'm starting to realize: Maybe some people actually ARE ok with political violence, so long as it is not their side being violated.
Matthew, a lot of people always have been ok with it, so long as it isn't their side being violated. Thoreau said John Brown turned the gallows into a cross.
It takes more courage to oppose political violence across the board when the chips are down, then most will admit.
When Tiller was murdered, cheers erupted from a great many.
harrogate,
[bgates, quoting you, with the omitted word put back]:
I see. You think that an act of [political] violence is not at all like a rape.
You are aware, surely, that a lot of rape is in fact "political violence." Rape is used all over the world as a means of controlling and subduing women, not to mention its horrific use in US prisons (I don't know about other countries) as a means of subduing particular men in the "polity" of the inmate population.
"The rape of Belgium" and "The rape of Nanking" weren't just metaphors, you know.
In all this, I have yet to see anyone--anyone-- make the case that allowing workers to choose whether to join a union or not is undemocratic.
harrogate? garage? How is it remotely within the function of government to make workers pay for the support of a political party they disagree with?
If you want to join a union and see your money used to grease the palms of unethical pols, that's your business. The state shouldn't make me do it though.
Michelle,
You have a point as far as it goes, but your point has nothing at all to do with AA's point in this original post, as I think you are well aware. At least you bothered to read my comments though; thanks for that.
I mean, it's not that difficult to see the floor fall out from under Ann's post, even as it seems so sure it is making some sort of a "point." Maybe sometimes, commenters here must just want to defend it no matter how stupid, because Ann said it.
Fr. Martin Fox,
The left's failure to care about actual union violence is even more outrageous given the histrionics over "civility" and "dog whistles" and so forth not so long ago, and the despicable attempts to link the assault on a Congresswoman to fairly innocuous rhetoric by Sarah Palin. All that civility crap was ridiculous, and yet the left was all over that with such intense moral umbrage.
Just so.
What are the chances of "there will be blood" making, say, NPR, or of the collapsing of the AFP tent or the Crowder video making it? I don't say this with any disrespect to NPR, which I value and listen to every morning, but this is just not the sort of story that they would like to run.
Harrogate:
Me, I just come by here for the free hors d'oeuvres, and try to keep my manners so our genial hostess doesn't throw me out.
I didn't think agreeing with her was the price of admission.
It's her place; she can say what she likes. If I don't care for it, I stand near the buffet and eat the shrimp...
"When Tiller was murdered, cheers erupted from a great many."
And?
Are you arguing to some *purpose* that other people do it too?
I don't want to misrepresent you again, after all.
Maybe you're comparing Crowder to an abortionist who made his money catering to late term healthy mother/child infant killing? Crowder = Tiller?
Or comparing "cheers" to pointing out that Tiller was raking in the bucks to provide late term abortions that were otherwise illegal? Crazy person killed him. I don't recall *cheers*. I recall "murder is wrong, if it's an innocent baby or a disgusting baby killer."
What *precisely* about this situation is illuminated by the murder of Tiller?
The Arab Street cheered 9-11.
Had a party.
Synova,
I was responding to Matthew's comment in my mention of Tiller. It is an add-on to my comment about Thoreau, John Brown, and people's openness generally, to political violence, when the chips are down.
Those who are cheering Crowder getting hit in the face: their behavior has some serious common ground with the cheerers of Tiller's murder and with Thoreau's defense of Brown.
Thanks for asking.
Michelle:
Minimal chances it makes NPR.
Apropos of nothing, I listen to NPR every day; and while I hate the pledge drives, I feel positively wonderful every time their folks lecture me over the air about how ungrateful people like me owe them. It makes me feel all warm inside, knowing I never send them a penny.
Yes, yes, Synova. A great many people in the "Arab Street" indeed had a party.
Again, it takes a lot more fortitude than some will admit, to condemn political violence across the board regardless of oxes and gorings.
Althouse treats that common-sensical saying as on par with, if you wear a short skirt you might get raped. But then not too long ago was the idea of Scalia-as-teacher. The comedy knows no bounds.
I've got to believe, harrogate, that you have something in your head other than what you've said here tonight.
Anyway.
The thing about the short skirt isn't false because you will not get raped if you look attractive in the wrong crowd.
It's that you don't deserve getting raped even if you do look attractive in the wrong crowd.
So yeah. As a woman, I go to the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time wearing the wrong thing, and something might (or probably will) happen to me. That is a truism.
I don't deserve it.
That's the outrage.
The same is true for Crowder.
harrogate,
I mean, it's not that difficult to see the floor fall out from under Ann's post, even as it seems so sure it is making some sort of a "point." Maybe sometimes, commenters here must just want to defend it no matter how stupid, because Ann said it.
Of course not. Ann was right, and nothing she said was stupid. People should not be beaten up for asking polite questions of protesters; people shouldn't have their tents ripped down (with people inside) by protesters; people shouldn't have their livelihood -- I mean their actual livelihood, as opposed to their right to garnish others' paychecks to use for political purposes -- destroyed by protesters who are pissed off that a Black hot dog vendor is catering for counter-protesters.
This is thuggery, and if you defend it, you are a thug.
I don't recall the many stories of TEA Party people invading OWS rallies, demolishing tents, and ruining the carts of street vendors catering to them. Do you?
Harrogate... I think that what you saw as "cheering" Tiller's murder was people refusing to make him a saint on his death.
What I heard was... Murder is wrong. Always.
Which would meet your standard of disapproving of violence across the board.
Were there some few who approved? No doubt. But that wasn't the common response. I doubt that "Murder is wrong. Always." satisfied any pro-abortionist, particularly anyone who felt he was a hero. But, as I said, refusing to transform him into a hero because he was murdered != cheering or approving of the fellow who murdered him.
As I have recounted on other threads, even in Right to Work states, unions can enforce their will on workers and employers. They use threats, intimidation, vandalism and violence. If you work in a work place that is already unionized, they will make your life miserable and possibly in danger if you do not pay dues or agency fees.
The only real effect of this new law in Michigan, is that someone might be tempted to build a new plant in Michigan with the hope that the workers might not vote in a union. Myself, I would not bet on it.
Laborem Exercens ≠ Centessimus Annus.
Bummer.
The Pope’s encyclicals contemplate a world view much richer and more complex than a troll can imagine.
Pity the troll and it’s small, limited mind.
No room for complex, seemingly contradictory thought.
Oh well.
nice to see harrogate making excuses for historical thuggery.
Matthew Sablan said...
"... Reading this thread, I'm starting to realize: Maybe some people actually ARE ok with political violence, so long as it is not their side being violated."
Sorry to break it to you Matthew, but history just got off the phone and said "Duh."
lol.
Please excuse my snark.
I had some liberal friends who got very upset with a recent ad campaign which focused on women not letting their drunk friends get out of their sight because they might end up with a predator.
And the liberal friends were all outraged, because it sounded like the campaign was putting the responsibility for safety on women: don't get drunk! don't let drunk friends be alone!
They thought the ad campaign should be focused on telling men not to rape. They found it anti-women.
But we have a truism here. Drunk women who are alone can end up with predators. How do we handle that information? Deny it, warn against it, or blame people for not heeding it? It's the same as the short-skirt argument that Althouse is comparing to what Gawker said.
If something happens when you put yourself in a bad situation, shut up about it. You should have known.
harrogate said...
When Tiller was murdered, cheers erupted from a great many.
Care to name some names?
But I'll bet I know where harro came down when Zero said, "If I had a son...".
Interesting how the Lefties only swing one way.
Fr. Martin Fox,
Apropos of nothing, I listen to NPR every day; and while I hate the pledge drives, I feel positively wonderful every time their folks lecture me over the air about how ungrateful people like me owe them. It makes me feel all warm inside, knowing I never send them a penny.
We listen to KALW (SF), which awhile back took the astonishing step of putting the pledge stuff only in the little gaps in the NPR Morning Edition programming, rather than pre-empting anything. No long lectures, only tiny reminders. No content lost. That is such a welcome departure that for the first time in my life I felt like sending money to a public radio station. It seems to have affected a lot of other people the same way, because they've kept doing it.
"It makes me feel all warm inside, knowing I never send them a penny."
Except, Father Fox, that's wrong.
You do send them money.
When you pay your income taxes to the IRS.
Tim:
I know that, but that's not voluntary. Technically speaking, my employer sends the money to Uncle Sugar, who sends the money to my supposed moral betters at NPR. *I* don't ever send them money.
At least, I don't think I ever have. Who knows? Once upon a time I might have. I'm sorry if I did, and I'm willing to do penance.
Garage wrote:
I wouldn't whine. Crowder would have every right to take this guy downtown. But he didn't, and I don't think Crowder could have taken the old timer if he wanted to.
crowder is actually into MMA and challenged the old timer to a fight, rather than press charges.do let's see the old timer take him up on it. Only no crying when the old timer is lying on the floor with his nose fractured and choking on his blood. Mmmkay?
Oh, and I personally think that is the wrong approach. Let the guy who sucker punched him go to jail.
Gawker however, I would love to see in the ring getting his face turned into hamburger.
"At least, I don't think I ever have. Who knows? Once upon a time I might have. I'm sorry if I did, and I'm willing to do penance."
I hear you.
My wife sends the local NPR station $10 a month.
It is, without a doubt, the most hateful, contentious aspect of our marriage...lol!
jr565
The cowardly bloated union pus bag thug that sucker punched Cowder four times already knows he would get his ass destroyed in the ring. He knows what every coward that only has courage in a group, if you sucker punch your victim four times and he is till standing you're fucked.
How in the hell do you sucker punch someone four times!
some people obviously have never been in azny brawls in their youth.
That sound you hear is doors creaking open. Take note folks. Being polite and relying on others to do the same used to be the right thing to do. Now it's not.
They could have made their case to Crowder on why "right to work" is bad
I tried to reasonably explain the problems with those kind of laws...and how they adversely affect all workers, no just union workers...in this very blog, and the response was vicious name-calling, massive cussing, and a vow to kick me in the nuts if I am ever seen in public.
Some folks ya just can't reason with.
How in the hell do you sucker punch someone four times!
Because an immediate defensive response after the first punch is something most people will do.
Again, we know the rules now. Good. No more need to pretend to be civil.
Might will make right. I bet your won't like where this ends up.
Harroate said
" Fr. Fox, do you see anything in my comment that shows I want to bring more violence into the world? Or that I support political violence at all?"
Then simply denounce the violence and move on. No nuance necessary
crowder is actually into MMA and challenged the old timer to a fight, rather than press charges.
If Crowder were so tough he wouldn't go crying to the media about a scratch on his forehead. Seriously, does this dork seem like a dude that could get rough on anyone?
Please.
I tried to reasonably explain the problems with those kind of laws...and how they adversely affect all workers, no just union workers...in this very blog, and the response was vicious name-calling, massive cussing, and a vow to kick me in the nuts if I am ever seen in public.
Oh, so because people on a board disagree, an on-air personality deserves to be assaulted. Nice.
I tried to reasonably explain the problems with those kind of laws...and how they adversely affect all workers, no just union workers...in this very blog, and the response was vicious name-calling, massive cussing, and a vow to kick me in the nuts if I am ever seen in public.
Oh, so because people on a board disagree, an on-air personality deserves to be assaulted. Nice.
purple:
Please name names. I didn't watch every word, but I didn't see any of that.
And if Mr. Crowder had complained of "vicious name-calling, massive cussing" at the rally, then he'd deserve to be called a cry-baby.
Let me revise and extend my remarks...
I see a lot of cussing and name-calling and tune it out. Its pretty juvenile and not worth commenting on.
I should have said, I didn't see any that it made sense for the purple penguin to wring its hands over.
Shouting Thomas was one of the fellas making threats this latest time, can't recall the others right now. Educater...who is all aghast about this incident...said months ago that he was gonna come to Madison and start "cracking heads" when I tried to explain why the ban on collective bargaining was a safety issue.
*shrug*
And damiksc, I never said the threats against me justify violence against others and I certainly didn't mean to imply that. I'm not sure how anyone could interpret my comments to mean such a thing, but thank you for allowing me to clarify...if you were so easily confused then I'm sure others were as well.
I had no idea that merely mentioning those acts occured...as well as the threats of physical violence...was akin to being a crybaby and wringing my hands.
But thanks for sharing your point-of-view...it is very insightful.
Purple:
I appreciate your direct and prompt response.
First rule of Steven Crowder MMA Fight Club is you don't talk about Steven Crowder MMA Fight Club.
Purple:
No, my point was that the things you complained of, that happened to you, were not comparable to what Mr. Crowder complained of, and for which he was indeed called a crybaby.
so i guess violence is okay then as long as you can demonize the other size. that seems easy.
Right-to-work bills are inevitable. It must suck being on the wrong side of history.
What's funny is so many cons on this blog cheer all evils of blue states, but live in blue states, and none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
garage mahal said...
How in the hell do you sucker punch someone four times!
Were Pearl Harbor and 911 sucker punches? Did Japan drop one bomb and go home? Did AL Qaeda fly just one plane into a building?
You sir have had the sheltered life. I've dealt with bullies and thugs my whole life, they wear blowholes well. Sometimes it takes missing nose or ear part for the cure, sometimes a permanent dental impression on their cheek, sometimes kneecapping.
It's only "funny" if you see nothing beyond politics.
Were Pearl Harbor and 911 sucker punches? Did Japan drop one bomb and go home? Did AL Qaeda fly just one plane into a building?
LOLZ. I hope this stays on the internet forever.
garage mahal said...
What's funny is so many cons on this blog cheer all evils of blue states, but live in blue states, and none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
@garage: California doesn't consider me wealthy so I don't feel the punitive effects. I do enjoy super-low property taxes though.
You would think all the blue state disgruntled cons would be packing their bags to all the great tea party takeover states. Weird.
@garage: Hunting pretty much sucks out here. I sent my son back to WI last year to bag a deer. A couple neighbors have boats and go fishing, but I've never felt the urge.
garage mahal said...
What's funny is so many cons on this blog cheer all evils of blue states, but live in blue states, and none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
People have kids in school, business, commitments.
Thanks to Zero, selling a house in a blue state is Hell.
We'd all like to move to TX or ND.
garage knows that. Unless he's never had to pick up and move his life.
That provocateur Steve Crowder ran his face right into the innocent union guy's fist, right garbage?
I seem to recall a different reaction when congressman Emmanuel Cleaver claimed he was spat upon by a tea party protester.
There was also no disapprobation (if you will) of Cleaver for inserting himself in the middle of an unwelcoming protest... when Cleaver and other members of the black caucus could have used a protester free zone... their own train tunnels.
So, yea... sorry Althouse that liberals are inconsistent... it must be very inconvenient for you.
Well, actually, I moved from a blue state to red one specifically because I couldn't help but notice that the "services" went exclusively to the upper-most tier of incomes and the bottom-most, and nothing for those of us really footing the bill.
Only now a lot of liberals from New Yawk and Muuraland have moved into Northern Virginia, apparently unable to connect the dots between the foolish way they vote Democrat like lemmings going over a cliff and the fact that the place they left is a slew while Northern Virginia is (was, used to be) a fine place to live.
Eh, late to the discussion, but I would point out that the automotive industry in the US is not failing overall. It's only failing where it is unionized.
Garage, if anything threatens the long-term interests of the blue collar worker, it would be the Unions.
Steven Crowder's Fanboy said...
none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
May we presume that you're about to flee ScottWalkerstan?
harrogate,
an act of political violence is an act of violence. Just in case your ocular motor control is as poor as your reasoning ability, I won't ask you to move your focus back up to read that again, I'll just write it a few more times for you.
An act of political violence is an act of violence.
An act of political violence is an act of violence.
Once more.
An act of political violence is an act of violence.
When you say that an act of political violence is nothing like rape, you are saying that an act of violence, specifically an act of political violence, is nothing like a rape.
You said that an act of violence was nothing like a rape.
It was a stupid thing for you to say. I can understand that you're embarrassed, and you want to pretend that the problem is my reading ability rather than your piss-poor writing. But it is what you said.
garage mahal said...
What's funny is so many cons on this blog cheer all evils of blue states, but live in blue states, and none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
I was born in California in 1953 and have lived here most of my life. California used to be a reliably Republican state, having voted for the Republican presidential candidate 23 times prior to 1992 vs. 11 for Democrats. Then a bunch of liberal dipshit weasels moved here from places like Wisconsin to get away from the hopelessly provincial minds there. A fair-sized influx of undocumented Mexicans who were immediately registered as Democrats by ACORN also arrived. To paraphrase the late, great Ronald Wilson Reagan, I didn't leave California, California left me. But I remain because I am confident that once we are completely broke and the Democrat legislature has run out of other people's money, grownups will need to come in and put things back in order. By then all the dipshit weasels will have retired to the socialist utopias of Washington and Oregon, the second- and third-generation Mexicans will realize that their values are Republican values. Order will then be restored to the universe.
I'd be perfectly fine with someone punching any representative from the Howard Stern show or Howard himself in most situations.
Or the God Hates Fags guy at the service of the veterans - they also threatened to picket Steve Jobs' funeral.
Now I rationally know it's better to refrain in those situations, but I'd be openly pleased if someone else took the heat and did it.
The woman in Egypt is a completely different thing in my opinion. That was a culture clash with a woman hating culture - these people are trolls - instigators.
I trolled my sister once when we were college age. She suddenly snapped and smashed my face in the mirror. I was very huffy and offended, but even then - not really. She did have a point. In hindsight, I think it was really funny and quite possibly the most efficient way of me learning something that may have taken years to learn otherwise.
Oh and quite obviously there is the reality that my sister and I were both female, as these guys are all guys. Not the case in Egypt.
The guy's a snarky jackass. I don't care what happens to him. That's the downside of being a snarky jackass.
garage mahal wrote:
WHHHHAAAAA.
70 years ago garage would have been a Sturmabteilung fanboy.
"Mommy, I went to Nazi rally and got punched in the face..."
Police! Police!
harrogate: ...do you see anything in my comment that shows ... that I support political violence at all?
Phi 3:14: Then simply denounce the violence and move on. No nuance necessary.
Oh, but harro is desperately concerned that those who committed this political violence might suffer some fallout because of it... so he can't just denounce and move on... hence the Kerry-esque "nuance".
"If you try to destroy someone's livelihood, they might punch you.
Althouse treats that common-sensical saying as on par with, if you wear a short skirt you might get raped."
-- No one is trying to destroy anyone's livelihood. Even if they were, it is exactly the same as a rapist saying: "Look at her! She was asking for it."
Try not to be so despicable.
Haven't read all the comments...has anyone called out the union thugs for hating the idea of freeloaders? Union thugs are democrats who love the freeloaders. Don't diss freeloaders. Makes you sound like Mitt Romney at a dinner party.
ambienisevil said...
I'd be perfectly fine with someone punching .......
Or the God Hates Fags guy at the service of the veterans - they also threatened to picket Steve Jobs' funeral.
But, they'd be punching pro union Democrats, say it ain't so. Violence is never justified as a response to speech.
garage mahal said...
You would think all the blue state disgruntled cons would be packing their bags to all the great tea party takeover states.
Says the fat idiot who regularly posts conspiracy theories about his Republican Gov as fact.
You can't make this level of stupid up, folks.
Structurally, this thread is microcosmic of the pre-election threads.
1)Stunningly wrong premises in the post itself? Check
2)Said premises articulated with absolute confidence? check
3)Commenters flock to defend the premises, battling straw men all the while? Check
4)Commenters think they've "won"? Check
Garage:
You would think all the blue state disgruntled cons would be packing their bags to all the great tea party takeover states. Weird.
You do realize that blue states have been losing population for decades? New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, etc.--and where have they gone? Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Arizona?
Are there two different people who post as "Garage"?
Garage comes on here to purposefully harrass us. By his own metric doesn't he deserve a punch in the face?
garage: "You would think all the blue state disgruntled cons would be packing their bags to all the great tea party takeover states. Weird."
You would think all the red state disgruntled libs would be packing their bags to move to all the lefty-dominated worker paradise states. Weird.
Drago:
Good point; in fact, they tend to go from blue to red.
How else to explain what's happened in New Hampshire?
Problem is, many of those that move out of a blue state still vote progressive. Why do you think Colorado has gone from red to purple to now blue? They messed in their sandbox, then they move on and mess in someone elses.
Once was in fenderbender with man and woman, I suspect not man and wife but whatever. I think I said something innocuous like "it doesn't look too bad" (rear bumper of their jeep was like a nothing, front end of my class a cloud of fiberglass), and all of a sudden I felt something.
What was that? Then it happened again. Hey, that woman was slapping me! So yeah, it could take a bit of figuring out.
Meanwhile, we live under a social contract that says you don't hit people, or endanger their lives by engineering a building collapse, because they disagree with you. Leaving aside right and wrong, because it seems that talking to you (if you like, talking to each other) about values or morality is like the joke about bawling out your dog (Ginger! blah blah blah blah Ginger! Ginger blah blah blah), the thing about a voluntary contract is, if one side withdraws, the other side need not feel itself bound.
You lefties who are flirting with this, you should step back from the abyss. What will it take for you to understand? Somebody parking a truckful of ANFO outside the Reuters building in return for their 10,000th lie?
............
garage mahal said...
How in the hell do you sucker punch someone four times!
some people obviously have never been in azny brawls in their youth.
12/12/12 7:24 PM
What's funny is so many cons on this blog cheer all evils of blue states, but live in blue states, and none to my knowledge want to move to the states being run over by the radical GOP governors.
I live in Ohio ... blue state with a radical GOP governor.
Problem is, many of those that move out of a blue state still vote progressive. Why do you think Colorado has gone from red to purple to now blue? They messed in their sandbox, then they move on and mess in someone elses.
It's amazing how the "best and brightest" never seem to learn.
"You know, the carpet in this house has been crapped all over and I hate the stench. Let's go over there.
Why?
So we can crap on the floor somewhere nicer than here, obviously"
Garage:
Another answer to your question about why folks don't leave...
It's a good thing to love ones country. Note, I didn't say, love ones nation, which is good, too; but what I mean is, to love the place you are from.
Lots of people love their state, their home. It's part of who they are. That's a reason to stay, even when the crowd in power is making things worse.
As someone who's been a pastor, I can tell you--that's how a lot of parishioners see their pastors: they come and go, but this parish is ours.
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