Althouse: What really happened at the Biden-Ryan debate.

October 13, 2012

What really happened at the Biden-Ryan debate.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...: Pretty accurate, actually. Especially with the dinosaur. (There was one there, the camera just cut away whenever he walked onscreen.); 10/13/12, 7:02 PM
Mary Beth said...: I love these people. The one they did about the presidential debate was pretty good too.; 10/13/12, 7:05 PM
edutcher said...: Cute.

But, it's beginning to look as if Joe's act not only didn't halt the slide, but may have accelerated it a bit.

We'll know Monday.; 10/13/12, 7:11 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Further evidence, if any were needed, that most creative people vote Democrat.; 10/13/12, 7:52 PM
Derrick Bonsell said...: Those who say they are "reasonable" are usually anything but.; 10/13/12, 7:59 PM
garage mahal said...: "But, it's beginning to look as if Joe's act not only didn't halt the slide, but may have accelerated it a bit.We'll know Monday."

Just now, PPP has O up 5 over Willard. Same as two weeks ago.; 10/13/12, 8:01 PM
Synova said...: "Further evidence, if any were needed, that most creative people vote Democrat."

If those girls vote in US elections it's illegal.; 10/13/12, 8:03 PM
bagoh20 said...: There definitely is a connection between being creative and being a Democrat, but it is not flattering for either circle of the Venn diagram.; 10/13/12, 8:10 PM
kcom said...: "Those who say they are 'reasonable' are usually anything but."

Kind of like all those "People's Republics" out there? Where the people have no say in how they are crapped all over.; 10/13/12, 8:11 PM
bagoh20 said...: Ryan looked like Charlie Sheen, and the moderator like Althouse, which would be awesome.

BTW lefties, the Romney/Ryan campaign theme has changed to: "Winning!"; 10/13/12, 8:13 PM
Nathan Alexander said...: Further evidence, if any were needed, that most creative people vote Democrat.

I'm glad you finally admit that Democrats are better liars.; 10/13/12, 8:19 PM
garage mahal said...: " BTW lefties, the Romney/Ryan campaign theme has changed to: "Winning!"

So you weren't winning before eh ?

Romney ain't winning Ohio, and without Ohio Romney is pretty much shit out of luck.; 10/13/12, 8:25 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: bagoh20 said...

BTW lefties, the Romney/Ryan campaign theme has changed to: "Winning!"

Just like Charlie Sheen.; 10/13/12, 8:31 PM
Synova said...: Seriously... is the implication here that the girls from Taiwan are Republican?; 10/13/12, 8:31 PM
yashu said...: PPP? You mean the pollsters that had Todd Akin as +1 over McCaskill after the stupid rape remarks, with an R+9 sample (triple the best R+ margin ever, and the first time I'd seen an R+ poll anywhere this election season), a result that encouraged Akin to stay in the race?

That PPP?

Sure, go ahead and rely on PPP if you like.; 10/13/12, 8:34 PM
garage mahal said...: Results match NBC and Marist results from last week.; 10/13/12, 8:41 PM
Lawyer Mom said...: Tweeted by someone named @amberviolin, about an hour into the Ryan/Biden debate:

"When a wise man has a controversy w/a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest."-Proverbs 29:9

http://global.christianpost.com/news/proverbs-299-used-to-describe-joe-biden-during-vp-debate-rnc-issues-ad-83193/; 10/13/12, 8:42 PM
bagoh20 said...: The RCP average has gone from Obama +4.3 at the end of Sept. to Romney +1.3 today. This is gonna hurt.; 10/13/12, 9:04 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: AReasonableMan,

Further evidence, if any were needed, that most creative people vote Democrat.

Um, ARM, NMA is Taiwanese. They don't vote here at all.; 10/13/12, 9:16 PM
yashu said...: I don't know what the Taiwanese cartoonists are (politically).

I think it says something about Republicans that they appreciate their sense of humor (they're frequently linked at conservative blogs), even though they may make fun of Republicans (along with Democrats).

I don't know if Dem blogs have such a sense of humor about their own candidates. Honestly, I don't know; maybe they do.

SNL et al sure doesn't (at least not about Obama).; 10/13/12, 9:22 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: You know, garage mahal, the "Willard" is getting annoying. You're using it entirely because Romney doesn't, which is just infantile. It's exactly like calling Obama "Barry Hussein" every time you mention him. Technically correct, in that he's used his middle name publicly, and went by "Barry" for a time -- but there can be no possible point now except insult. So with "Willard."; 10/13/12, 9:24 PM
yashu said...: garage, last week? A week is a long time in election season.

I was only half-joking: rely on PPP if you like. That's your choice. I myself don't put much stock in them.

I don't trust any polls, and don't have to attribute bad faith to pollsters to distrust them. Even now that they're favoring Romney, I don't trust them. It's a notoriously uncertain and imprecise art/ science, a guessing game more than anything, this election season perhaps more than ever. I take only the roughest of trend-lines as potentially significant-- and then, only with a grain of salt.

I know which candidates I support in this election, who I think would make a better POTUS, who I hope will win. Who appears (or is reported by the MSM to appear) at any moment to be winning or losing in polls before the election doesn't make any difference to my decision.

So in that sense, polls are irrelevant to me-- though the drama they provide is somewhat irresistible, and of course when polls favor my side I am cheered. Why argue about what the polls say? Why bring them up all the time? How the hell do I know whether they're right or wrong? (After all, for all I know, they might turn out to be right by accident.)

I only thought it important to argue against them when one side (and a colluding MSM) was using the polls to push the idea of an inevitable victory for Obama. I considered much of that to be, let us say, not a matter of objective good faith reporting.

I'd rather argue about why or why not one should vote for one candidate over another. Insisting too much on polls (e.g. polls that show Obama winning) instead of providing any arguments why you think Obama should win... I'm not so interested in that game/ conversation. It's just partisans beating their chest and triumphantly yelping. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

(IMO that crosses the line into trollishness when it's a constant & concerted effort just to depress the other side; thinking of trolls on certain other blogs here.); 10/13/12, 9:36 PM
edutcher said...: garage mahal said...

Results match NBC and Marist results from last week.

Whoopee!

Care to provide a link so we can see the skew?

Saw more Romney signs again today, they're running about 3 to 1 here in NE OH.

Most of the O signs I've seen are obviously union ones.; 10/13/12, 9:48 PM
edutcher said...: garage mahal said...

But, it's beginning to look as if Joe's act not only didn't halt the slide, but may have accelerated it a bit.We'll know Monday.

Just now, PPP has O up 5 over Willard. Same as two weeks ago.

KosKidz poll is D +5.

Keep trying.; 10/13/12, 9:53 PM
Sammy said...: Time maginze are such democrat dickheads...

Those Ryan pic's are from 2011.... They were out takes from pictures they took of Ryan to go along with a profile they did on him...... A year later they publish the out takes, (pictures that they promise wouldn't be published) the day of the Vice Presidential debate .... Like I said dickheads... Always looking out for their comrades .; 10/13/12, 10:02 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Michelle Dulak Thomson said...
Um, ARM, NMA is Taiwanese. They don't vote here at all.

Sorry, it was an apparently unsuccessful attempt at a joke, since the video was painfully and, I thought, self evidently unfunny.; 10/13/12, 10:26 PM
Synova said...: Not funny?

I won't, not for a moment, say it's the funniest that they've done but I thought that the parts making fun of Ryan were amusing.; 10/13/12, 10:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Biden is long in the tooth.; 10/14/12, 12:09 AM
Mark said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/14/12, 1:19 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Biden " A grin with a body behind it"
-- Clint Eastwood; 10/14/12, 7:35 AM
Rusty said...: Michelle Dulak Thomson said...
AReasonableMan,

Further evidence, if any were needed, that most creative people vote Democrat.

Um, ARM, NMA is Taiwanese. They don't vote here at all.

Further evidence that at least one democrat is dumber than road apples.; 10/14/12, 7:36 AM
Jaq said...: I think all of this focus on Ohio is cargo cult political science.

What has always been important about Ohio is that it is reflective of a delicate balance in the electorate nationwide. If that balance is distorted by a focused campaign, then it is no longer a bellwether because it no longer accurately reflects nationwide trends.; 10/14/12, 8:00 AM
Insufficiently Sensitive said...: In the eyes of the horse race press, that is true. Lexington in the Economist is particularly welcoming of the shouting match concept, takes it seriously, and scores it for Biden.; 10/14/12, 8:52 AM
Will Cate said...: I like the Chinese-language version better.; 10/14/12, 12:27 PM