... the ambassador asked for more security after a series of terrorist threats and attacks, but didn’t get it, even on the anniversary of September 11. The administration knew that four Americans had been killed in a successful terrorist attack by an al Qaeda affiliate, but lied about the event for weeks in hopes of minimizing political fallout. Extraordinarily courageous Americans fought a seven-hour gun battle against well-armed and well-organized terrorists who vastly outnumbered them before finally succumbing, during which time the Obama administration did nothing. And when the bodies of the dead Americans were returned to the United States, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton misappropriated the occasion to deliver politically-motivated lies, both to the victims’ survivors and to the American people. All of that we now know for sure. If, in addition, there is credible evidence that American soldiers, fighting desperately for their lives against our country’s most bitter enemies, called for help but were cynically left to perish in order to protect Barack Obama’s petty re-election campaign, Obama will not only lose the election but will be turned out of office in disgust by a clear majority of voters. Reporters and editors know this. It will be interesting to see how they respond during the coming days: will they do their jobs, or will they assist their candidate with his cover-up?I presume they would say — if they deigned to answer Power Line's question — that the Benghazi story is too complicated and inflammatory to resolve in the narrow time before the election and that it's unfair to dump this hugely burdensome issue on the President now. It would have an undue effect on the minds of the voters, who must be protected from an emotional flare-up which will keep them from weighing all the issues in the proper proportion. This is especially true — they would not say out loud — when the skewing goes against their preferred candidate. Of course, an equivalent issue affecting the incumbent in 2004 would have been splattered everywhere.
A Romney victory would give us the benefit of leaving the Benghazi scandal in the past. It will still be important to investigate, but it won't — like the Watergate scandal, after the Nixon re-election — cripple a sitting President.
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Do you think we may have the first gay Vice President? NTTIAWWT (IHINAI) (if he is not an idiot).
Darrell, your obsession with me is almost as creepy as your cartoonishly two-dimensional, pre-modern avatar.
For God's sake Inga, haven't you been following? Panetta hjas already stated that he and two generals ordered the military to not intercede.
Do you always deflect because you can't be bothered to learn at least the most rudimentary facts?
Pitiful.
You still complaining about the dead SEAL's father?
Class act.
First, what are the odds that touchy Barrack doesn't know the answers to all the questions being asked about Bengazi right now? Close to zero.
So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he must be covering for some underlings mistake. You know Barack Obama, the great guy he is, is probably just taking the fall for some underling's screwup.
Right?
What other story could leftists believe? Help me.
Was Libya funded?
Yemen?
Somalia?
Pakistan?
The Republican War on Women?
Wyo sis, you got a point there. OR he could lose and Romney could win, then you wouldn't have any worries at all.
Those who responded to my original comment are, of course, right--the coverup of a crime is what gets politicians into trouble, particularly lying to the FBI and DOJ. Unfortunately screw-ups, unlike felony breaking and entering, are not crimes, and spinning, obfuscating and even lying to the American people aren't crimes in themselves. If they were, the House and Senate could only get a quorum at Lewisburg. So no, there is no parallel to Watergate.
Ritmo, If the President did in fact refuse to help in Benghazi, watch them die, and then go to bed before heading off to Vegas and starting a month of flat out lying to you; then will you not vote for him, and if elected will you call for his impeachment?
OK, that's unfair. It's a tough judgement call. What if he said Bush was his hero, the greatest President in history, and then kicked you in the pussy?
Why don't you use some law to shut me up? Make one up--like all Lefties do.
My obsession with you is like a unicorn. Non-existent.
Creepy Darrell believes cost is immaterial to war.
When we fight a war there are majic war beans that allow money to magically grow in proportion to the funding needed.
This is because he is a blindly partisan tool.
Later.
Time to round up more Romney votes.
Livermoron, you got your facts a bit mixed up. It is still not known who if anyone gave a stand down order to Doherty and Woods, as Fox indicated.
If I'm mistaken, I'm sure you'll be able to cite the source.
What if he said Bush was his hero, the greatest President in history, and then kicked you in the pussy?
Apparently your pussy is the one that needs stroking. Awww, big Bag O', you're SUCH an important business owner! We don't even care if you hire people or not! It's ok that you find love in this way because your parents didn't provide shit for you, or even a decent example. We, THE GOVERNMENT, will now be your biggest and bestest friend in the whole universe! (Except in China).
The Republican war on women was funded by a Romney family yard sale where Mitt sold off about half of his binders of women, and not even the good ones. The dude can make lemonade!
Since the lyin' Dems couldn't put forth a budget in the last three years--it means that the Stimulus budget gets repeated every year.
There's your funding right there.
Now tell me about the funding for WWI. And WWII. And the Korean Conflict. ETc. Wasn't GHWB's first Gulf War the only war ever pre-funded?
News flash! The Dems are concerned about debt again. Not theirs. Romney's! Who would vote for you idiots?
And Livermoron, good moniker, BTW. I think Doherty's family's comportment in the face of their tragedy is admirable.
Ritmo, I'm getting the impression you don't have much to offer on the subject of this thread. Either that, or it scares the hell out of you.
Subject: Benghazi, Media protecting Obama.
See it's about the media doing it. Unless you are just doing an impersonation of them, which if you are, is pretty damned good.
There's just not much to say. But it goes like this: Opportunity for right-wingers to denounce the president as weak, little to no evidence to back that up. No effect on independents either way. They don't necessarily prefer a chest-thumper. So your wish of effecting a presidential election (which is surely the most noble of reasons to be interested) is denied.
Enjoy that.
Ritmo, You would make a great NBC reporter. You could interview the President on Benghazi:
Ritmo: "Mr. President, there has been a lot of question about Benghazi, so what do think of Calvin Coolidge and bagoh20's obscure small business?"
Obama: "This Coolidge character, is he the center for the Lakers?" Yea , he sucks. And on small business, those rich bastards don't need all that money. No business needs more then $200K a year. After that, I told my boys at the IRS to make sure they keep their mind on my money and my money on their mind.
By the way Mr. Ritmo, this interview is off the record. I know I got your endorsement anyway. Am I right? Damned straight. Now where is clubhouse."
You will notice that nobody who supports Obama will answer the question I asked at 6:56pm about voting against him or pursuing impeachment if he turns out to be a complete and total disgrace.
You will notice that nobody who supports Obama will answer the question I asked at 6:56pm about voting against him or pursuing impeachment if he turns out to be a complete and total disgrace.
Because as everyone knows, the Republicans will completely forget about it once the election's over.
You are such a dupe.
if he turns out to be a complete and total disgrace
If?
The man has been a disgrace from day one.
Maybe Obama should answer why he engaged in regime change against a country that posed no imminent threat to us and didn't attack us.
I seem to recall that being a issue with liberals over Iraq. Now Libya is a haven for terrorists who were provided an ample armory to kill more innocents.
Optimal in this less than optimal situation is to kick out Obama on grounds of incompetence. (Both Obama's and Biden's.
Optimal is Romney and an investigation into Benghazi.
Turn it around. What if a Republican administration had failed at this level. Would we casually say, "Oh go ahead and elect them, they can always be impeached."
" Republicans will completely forget about it once the election's over."
I can't believe that Obama and his supporters are dumb enough to believe that. No matter who wins, this is not going away. Mitt will do the typical soft conservative thing and forgive and forget, and the MSM will be more than happy to let it go, but I don't think that will even fly. People want answers, and it's not complicated like 9/11/11 was.
You are proving just how dupe-able you are. It won't be erased from history, but it won't provide anywhere near as much political fodder. Mogadishu was not a career-breaking moment for Clinton. It's not being "complicated" like 9/11 was (whatever that means, sounds like its your nod of absolution to the man reading My Pet Goat at the time), makes it just as easy to recognize in perspective. Not thousands dead, but four. No rallying war cry to obscure the impact of the threat it supposedly does or does not represent to America.
You are being duped. It will be covered on C-SPAN, but that will happen while the AMerican people focus on bigger things, like the fact that you'd rather see them starved or without healthcare because the president didn't kiss your butt nicely enough for keeping them unemployed - while you fought tooth and nail to hold more unspent capital hostage from pouring into the American economy.
You said forgotten. I said answers will be demanded.
We'll see. If there is a duping, at least I wasn't arguing to please dupe me.
Duped is a good term for the 52% of the electorate that voted for the most unqualified, inept candidate for President. We can only hope we wised up.
My pet goat!!!!!!! Nixon!,,,,housing bubble!!
My pet goat, the cuttingest words of the dimwitted.
Inga, you are so fucking lazy and intellectually incurious....
Panetta's statement has been widely dissemminated.
But, here you go. All I did was search Panetta and Benghazi. I guess that was too much for you:
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/26/panetta-on-benghazi-attack-could-not-put-forces-at-risk/
Hey, your daughter and my son...just potential roadbumps to you.
Inga, let me make it easy for you:
Panetta has already admitted that he kept the military from intervening. He is on record with that statement and has been for days. You should be embarrassed to claim ignorance if you are at all following this story instead of blindly spouting off. Our president is on record as claiming he ordered that all personnel be secured. He claimed that to be his initial action.
So who is telling the truth? Did Panetta go rogue and override the president?
Did the president actually issue that order..and when?
Was there some communication mix-up? If so, why? That is a frequently tested, high-priority system. Where was the break?
Stonewalling doesn't look good. Throw in the lies about the video...
That's it in a nutshell Inga. I hope it wasn't too long.
Very clever repartee about my name! Why, I never even realized!
Bet you are still chuckling.
Liver moron, again you are taking bits and pieces of what you have heard and embellishing the rest.
YOU don't know, if you have this info call FOX.
Inga: I gave you the link. It was CNN too. What are you denying?
Did Panetta make that statement? Yes or No?
Did Obama make his statement?
State specifically what I am piecing together or shut the fuck up.
Ritmo: a terror hit against an American consulate that killed four good men, including the ambassador, is, to quote you, a "tiny event?"
You really are an asshole, you know.
Dumbass, we are talking about two different issues here. Panetta told them he couldn't send security forces. I and others here were discussing a story/ rumor that originated from FOX saying there was a stand down order given to Woods and Doherty, when they requested to go to the consulate to assist. Who, if anyone gave this stand down order Woods and Doherty? THAT hasn't been revealed anywhere.
Now do you fucking get it?
Just answer the questions, Inga.
Who lied in the chain?
Sprichst Du Deutsch? Ist dir Goetz v. Berlichingen bekannt?
Ja, I kann Deutsch sprechen, aber Ich wirde nicht mehr mit dich sprechen, Du bist ein Arschloch.
There , corrected all my auto correct spelling errors.
Inga,
You are getting it wrong by confusing two different elements of the story.
Obama stated that he gave the order to "make sure we are securing our personnel and that we are doing whatever we need to."
- Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/26/picket-video-obama-dodges-question-denial-help-ame/
Leon Panetta stated that "(we) felt we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
- Source: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/26/panetta-on-benghazi-attack-could-not-put-forces-at-risk/
So, either Panetta and others disobeyed an order form the Commander in Chief or Obama is lying about giving the order. Which is it? We don't know. But the White House MUST know. So, why have they not told us? What are they covering up? Why don't you care enough to demand answers?
On an aside, a couple weeks ago you said you would not vote for Obama. Surely you do not want the person you are not voting for to win, right? Or were you lying about not voting for him?
CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, here is the thread from yesterday
I am Democratic, I'm still undecided if I will vote for Obama or leave it blank.
So, you changed your mind on voting? Because you previously said, "I won't vote for him, nor will I vote for Romney, who is no better."
Not sure why you pasted a link about Benghazi rather than just answer the question: "Why don't you care enough to demand answers?"
Matt, seriously? You think I don't care enough to want answeres? As I said upstream, I want accurate information, not crap high hysteria conspiracy theories.
You need to read the whole thread and not make me repeat myself, as I did for you this time, next time I'll just ignore you.
And the reason I posted the link was to clarify which story I was referring to. Did you bother reading that?
Those who replied to my original comment with "coverup" might be right. Usually in Washington the coverup is worse than the original misdeed. The difference between Beirut, Somalia, and Benghazi on the one hand and Watergate on the other is: no original crime in the first three, many original crimes in the last (breaking and entering in Watergate and the psych's office to begin with). Then you had payment of hush money and lying to the FBI and DOJ. And finally you had perjury.
Fortunately spinning facts, obfuscation, and lying to the American people, as opposed to lying to Congress or FBI, etc., aren't crimes. If they were the vast majority of politicians of both parties would be in jail.
Inga,
After 9/11/01, we had already been in Afghanistan for three weeks by this point. This time, the evidence is ALREADY in the hands of the White House. Most of it was generated BY the White House. The questions that were asked in this thread already CAN be answered BY the White House. Yet, they aren't and the media (outside of Fox News) is NOT asking the questions.
Doesn't it bother you that the White House is purposely withholding relevant information about actions the public deserves to know about that could impact how people vote? If you genuinely want "accurate information, not crap high hysteria conspiracy theories" then you should also demand that the non-Fox News media cover the story and ask the administration questions EVERY DAY until they give answers.
BTW, I did read the entire thread. Livermoron was clearly referencing the disconnect between Obama and Panetta's statements, which you misinterpreted as referencing whether the two CIA guys were told to stand down. I provided quotes and sources for you. Obama and Panetta's statements reference sending support in for the two CIA guys who were rescuing the folks at the embassy NOT orders for them to stand down. Different parts of the story.
Also, you never answered my other question. On 10/9/12 at 2:20 PM you said, "I won't vote for him, nor will I vote for Romney, who is no better." what has Obama done since to when your vote despite previously losing it over an act that Althouse described as "evil"?
(On an aside, to those who still seem convinced that Althouse is going to vote for Obama again. Stop being obtuse. He clearly lost her and the precise day was 10/9/12 when Althouse read Thomas Sowell's article.)
Inga, seeker of truth. Lover of all humanity.
She at least admitted that Obama was race-mongering when he lied to his black audience about funding for Katrina victims. Of course, she is reneging on her statement to not vote for Obama because of that.
Who lied, Inga? Panetta or Obama?
Or was it just a major clusterfuck of incompetence?
Why aren't we getting answers? At least one person knows all the answers. And he won't tell us.
Isn't there a part of you that worries about media complicity in covering up very questionable Administration behavior so close to an election?
(That last sentence was a joke. Those of us who have read your droppings through your various guises are laughing uproariously at that.)
Your head is so far up Obama's ass you taste his food before he does.
And, no, based on your writing errors, you do not speak German.
We have had a family member with us for a week. She has Obama's birthday in her iPhone calendar. Apple iPhone 5
Fox News - and former SF Col David Hunt - did as much to bring the story to light as anybody. unlocking the iPhone
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