Althouse: When trangender offspring of celebrities...

November 18, 2011

When trangender offspring of celebrities...

... attack transgender offspring of celebrities.

38 comments:

MadisonMan said...: I see a Reality TV show.; 11/18/11, 9:33 AM
Arthur Thistlepimp said...: Big tilt!; 11/18/11, 9:35 AM
Chip S. said...: I'm confused. One former woman who got herself surgically reconfigured into a man is calling another former woman who got herself surgically reconfigured into a man a misogynist?

This is a joke, right?; 11/18/11, 9:39 AM
Scott M said...: Bringing up a two-month-old "scandal" is just proof that it's sweeps, doesn't it?; 11/18/11, 9:41 AM
Sorun said...: I want to see them duke it out like real men. No slapping, biting, or hair pulling.; 11/18/11, 9:44 AM
ndspinelli said...: Alternative cat fight.; 11/18/11, 9:46 AM
Roman said...: I am old fashioned. These two are NOT men. There is no such thing as sex change operations. They may have had sex mutulation surgery, not 'gender reassignment".; 11/18/11, 9:48 AM
john said...: Settle this once and for all: dance-off!; 11/18/11, 9:50 AM
Christopher in MA said...: And somewhere, the spirit of Roscoe Arbuckle is thinking, "I was born a hundred years too soon."; 11/18/11, 9:52 AM
Carnifex said...: I am confused. I know Chaz is a woman altered to look like a man, but this other character, is he a male that has been altered to look like a female, a male that wants to be altered to look like a female, or a female that's been altered to look like a man, ala Chaz.

Do "transgendered" individuals get the same civil rights as people born to their gender, ie. set asides for hiring and such.

If they do, may a "transgendered" person compete in the olympics against "traditional" individuals?

Since a DNA test would show that the "transgendered" as their "traditional" sex, why have so much surgery? Can't the same effect be achieved by just accoutrements, ie. cross dressing, strap-ons...

And finally, why is one crazy person calling another crazy person a crazy person newsworthy?

Much like this posting-:-); 11/18/11, 9:54 AM
paul a'barge said...: MEOWWW....!!!!

I don't care.; 11/18/11, 10:00 AM
paul a'barge said...: C'mon folks.

They're both born female, converted to male, still sporting female DNA and chromo's.; 11/18/11, 10:01 AM
edutcher said...: I'll let all the sophisticates here deal with this one.; 11/18/11, 10:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Robot Chicken Celebrity Deathmatch!; 11/18/11, 10:10 AM
Anonymous said...: I am confused. I know Chaz is a woman altered to look like a man, but this other character, is he a male that has been altered to look like a female, a male that wants to be altered to look like a female, or a female that's been altered to look like a man, ala Chaz.

I was confused about that for a minute, too. Then I decided that I really didn't want to know.

- Lyssa; 11/18/11, 10:15 AM
DADvocate said...: Saw this last night. Hilarious. I'd like to see people try being normal and live with what God gave them rather than be a 6' 4" trans sexual lesbian. Don't laugh. I know one.; 11/18/11, 10:26 AM
ndspinelli said...: Dadvocate,

I have a transexual lesbian basketball team. At 6'4" she can play center or power forward for our team. Can she play?

wv: excon...Jerry Sandusky will be joining this club.; 11/18/11, 10:46 AM
MayBee said...: I never assume children of celebrities are especially well-grounded or well informed. They have to do a lot of crying for attention.; 11/18/11, 10:47 AM
traditionalguy said...: The Hollywood image mandate has become a subsidiary of Plastic Surgeons with a little help of urologists and psychiatrists, they have joined forces to create a lucrative new practice.

Breast implants are so ordinary these days.

But making unhappy men into Marilyn Monroe and unhappy women made into John Wayne...now that's a valuable service.; 11/18/11, 10:53 AM
Renee said...: As the one who supported transgender rights in the last posting on the subject, this does frustrate me. If you want acceptance, then there has to be a little give. Chaz isn't not self-hating, if he realized after some time that yes his body doesn't share the gender as his brain. Our bodies develop, and yes the element that may make someone go forward with a transgender may occur within the womb. as much as I'm for transgender protection, I have a big issue with children designating themselves as another gender.; 11/18/11, 11:09 AM
Triangle Man said...: Pretty shamefully judgmental of people with cleft lips. Why must Stephen marginalize people with birth defects that way?; 11/18/11, 11:26 AM
William said...: I'm supportive of Chaz Bono's decision. It is much easier to negotiate life as an ugly man than as an ugly woman. For that same reason, I'm critical of Ira Beatty. She went from being a beautiful woman to a dainty man. The world is not so easy on dainty men as it is on beautiful women.; 11/18/11, 11:27 AM
sorepaw said...: Yawn.; 11/18/11, 11:59 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "The world is not so easy on dainty men as it is on beautiful women."

Beatty is attracted to men.; 11/18/11, 12:12 PM
Chip S. said...: Beatty is attracted to men.

Given the list of women he's fucked, I don't see how he'd have had the time to branch out.

Threesomes, I suppose. Economies of scale and all that.; 11/18/11, 12:22 PM
Oclarki said...: "Beatty is attracted to men" That's what I don't get. If you are attracted to men already why not stay a woman and skip the mutilation?; 11/18/11, 12:49 PM
Chip S. said...: If you are attracted to men already why not stay a woman and skip the mutilation?

Trannies are the ultimate homophobes.; 11/18/11, 12:52 PM
Darrell said...: One was a girl who was interested in boys. That certainly wouldn't have been cool enough. Kathryn Beatty had no choice but to become Titus.; 11/18/11, 12:54 PM
Darrell said...: Although I would guess that either Kathryn or Stephen would know why that the ball sack contracts and distends to maintain sperm temperature for viability.; 11/18/11, 1:00 PM
Chip S. said...: Beatty is attracted to men.

OIC. You meant the kid.

Now it all makes perfect sense.

And I have to retract my comment about tranny homophobia.

Althouse is a continuing-ed site.; 11/18/11, 1:01 PM
Darrell said...: Sperm is more than a food stuff or condiment in nature.; 11/18/11, 1:02 PM
Ann Althouse said...: Seems to me these individuals are in very different positions if one started out attracted to the opposite sex and the other attracted to the same sex. If each switches to the opposite gender presentation, then the one who was homosexual becomes, in outward appearance, heterosexual and the one who was heterosexual adopts a gay identity. The latter, Beatty, then criticizes the former, Chaz, for homophobia. There's a logic to it. Think about it.; 11/18/11, 2:02 PM
Chip S. said...: The latter, Beatty, then criticizes the former, Chaz, for homophobia. There's a logic to it. Think about it.

That would be perfectly clear, as I already conceded.

But Beatty's charge is not homophobia--it's misogyny. They both started out as women and changed sides. So they both "hated" their female incarnations, in a sense. Now they both love women, but with different equipment.

I am not motivated enough to dig up the original Bono quote, which is nowhere in the linked article. But I'd bet a small sum that Chaz was drawing an analogy to a birth defect as a way to explain his pre-op feelings. People who get all up in arms over analogies are idiots.

I'm waiting for the outcry from the people who object to the term birth defect. Shouldn't it be "alternately evolved" or something?; 11/18/11, 2:13 PM
Chip S. said...: Wow, my last comment became incoherent in the second paragraph. I keep forgetting whether the Beatty kid went from boy to girl or girl to boy, and which way his sexual preference goes. All that androgyny is confusing, and I'm posting in between mochas.

Anyway, since Beatty went from girl to boy with a sexual preference for males, then it seems extra ludicrous for him to accuse Chaz Bono of hating women.

Not sayin' gays hate women. Just sayin' that young Beatty's made a big effort to disassociate himself from any aspect of femaleness.

I think I've all that right now.; 11/18/11, 2:42 PM
Darrell said...: A psychiatrist signed off on that
"gay man trapped inside of a woman's body" rationale? That doesn't bother anybody? You do have to be evaluated before surgery, right? Some medical board somewhere needs to do a little checking. Or keep it haircuts and fake Mario mustaches and take surgery out of the equation.; 11/18/11, 3:01 PM
Methadras said...: Retards and their deviant laundry put out on display. Oh no, there is no decline in this culture at all. Nothing to see here, move along.; 11/18/11, 4:18 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Ann Althouse,

There's a logic to it. Think about it.

Chip S.,

All that androgyny is confusing, and I'm posting in between mochas.

Methadras,

Retards and their deviant laundry put out on display. Oh no, there is no decline in this culture at all.

Only our critical thinker, Ann, would claim there's any "logic" at work in these two very, very confused (and pathetic-looking) people. I tried to do as she asked, really, but I don't think it's gonna happen until my logic center has been "reassigned."

Jeez.; 11/18/11, 5:16 PM
mccullough said...: They both of fucked up parents. QED.; 11/18/11, 6:46 PM