Althouse: "It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents."

November 16, 2011

"It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents."

Guess what that refers to.

Getting to sign a Recall Scott Walker petition.

161 comments:

TosaGuy said...: I was out of state in 2010 and had to vote for Scott Walker via absentee ballot. Next year I get to vote for him at the actual polling place while I proudly show my photo ID.; 11/16/11, 9:58 AM
ndspinelli said...: Not approved by Ann Laurie Gaylor.; 11/16/11, 9:58 AM
bagoh20 said...: Even if I agreed with these people politically, I'd still find them unbearable. You gotta a problem when people like me in L.A. think your people are leftist nut cases. We know the breed, and yours have mutated into something foul.; 11/16/11, 9:58 AM
Tibore said...: ""It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents.""

Lump of coal, lump of coal, lump of coal...; 11/16/11, 10:00 AM
Wince said...: "It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents."

I thought it was a quotation from Jerry Sandusky's interview with Bob Costas.; 11/16/11, 10:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?; 11/16/11, 10:01 AM
Brian Brown said...: What losers.

Can we stop pretending the modern American left are an informed bunch at all? Like children, they clearly let emotion define their actions.; 11/16/11, 10:02 AM
DADvocate said...: There's something wrong with people who take such joy in expressing hate.; 11/16/11, 10:07 AM
TosaGuy said...: So will the same people seek counseling when Scott Walker wins again?; 11/16/11, 10:13 AM
TosaGuy said...: Mature people know that Christmas is about giving. I just gave a check to the Walker campaign.; 11/16/11, 10:17 AM
Curious George said...: Why is this surprising? Look at any liberal involved in a liberal cause...they will always express what it means to them emotionally.; 11/16/11, 10:18 AM
edutcher said...: Some people are easily pleased.

Allie said...

Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?

You standing on your head?; 11/16/11, 10:24 AM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/16/11, 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Gosh oh gee how happy I'd be, if I could only sign a petition!; 11/16/11, 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Joy to the world, the recall has come!; 11/16/11, 10:36 AM
Christopher in MA said...: So sign the petition, Allie. When has illegality ever stopped a Democrat?; 11/16/11, 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...: It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,
Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!; 11/16/11, 10:38 AM
Brian Brown said...: Allie said...

Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?

I just threw up in my mouth.; 11/16/11, 10:41 AM
Cornroaster said...: When has illegality ever stopped a Democrat?
Speaking of which, the article linked in the Isthmus mentions a number of signing locations on campus at UW Madison. Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???; 11/16/11, 10:41 AM
AllenS said...: Nothing says Christmas, like wasting taxpayer dollars.; 11/16/11, 10:42 AM
Darrell said...: Shouldn't that be "kid at Winter Fest" or some such PC nonsense? So the Left has no problem with Church and State together now? Bring on the Christmas songs!; 11/16/11, 10:43 AM
Big Mike said...: Wisconsin is starting to resemble antebellum South Carolina: too small to be a nation and too large to be a lunatic asylum.; 11/16/11, 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Up on the rooftop, Reindeer pause, out jumps Good old Santa Claus.
Down thru' the chimney with lots of petitions
All for the Democrats Christmas Joys!; 11/16/11, 10:46 AM
Curious George said...: "Allie said...
It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,
Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!"

Sounds like the old Democratic voting strategy...vote, vote, vote. Of course Voter ID closed that playground.; 11/16/11, 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Sleigh bells ring, are you listening?
In the lane , they are signing.
A beautiful sight, were happy tonight
Collecting signatures in a winter wonderland.; 11/16/11, 10:51 AM
Curious George said...: Het Allie...you remember that feeling when all your presents were open. That let down from the emotional high?

It's coming in an election result soon.; 11/16/11, 10:54 AM
AllenS said...: By the way, Allie, just who is going to replace Walker should he be recalled?; 11/16/11, 10:55 AM
Anonymous said...: So this is Christmas ,
Scott what have you done?
Another realm over
A new one to be won.; 11/16/11, 10:56 AM
Roger J. said...: AllenS: apparently that bridge will be crossed a bit later; 11/16/11, 10:57 AM
Darrell said...: Imagine there's no Leftists . . .; 11/16/11, 11:00 AM
Original Mike said...: Our next door neighbor just put up a monster "Recall Walker" sign in their front yard. So attractive.; 11/16/11, 11:01 AM
MadisonMan said...: Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???

Why wouldn't it be?

If it's not disruptive, I see no reason to limit activity in a public building that can be done outside.; 11/16/11, 11:06 AM
Chip S. said...: It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,
Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!

Go right ahead. As I learned from the Wis. State Journal the other day:

There is no limit to the amount of times you can sign a recall petition. Duplicate signatures will be removed during the vetting process by either GAB, the signature collectors or representatives of the incumbent.

So Walkerphobes get unlimited attempts at petition fraud. Their worst-case scenario is that all the excess signatures are caught and disallowed. Well, that plus writer's cramp.

Seems like either of two simple reforms would be useful: (1) the cost of a recall election is assessed among all the signers of the petition, or (2) a win by the incumbent grants him a new, full term immediately.; 11/16/11, 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Silver Bells, silver Bells,
Its Recall time in the city.
Ring a ling, hear them ring
Soon it will be voting day.; 11/16/11, 11:08 AM
AllenS said...: Allie said...
Soon it will be voting day

And then what? Will there be no Governor of Wisconsin?; 11/16/11, 11:10 AM
Chuck66 said...: Well, Madison is the center of anti-Christian hatred in the upper midwest, so perhaps it is less like Christmas Eve and move like Mid-Winter Holiday Eve.; 11/16/11, 11:10 AM
MadisonMan said...: By the way, Allie, just who is going to replace Walker should he be recalled?

This is my question if asked.

I'm not real supportive of the exercise in futility that will happen if a far-left Democrat that PD endorses without question is running against Walker. And I don't know who will be running against him.; 11/16/11, 11:11 AM
Chip S. said...: @Chuck66--Every day is Festivus in Madison.; 11/16/11, 11:13 AM
Original Mike said...: "(1) the cost of a recall election is assessed among all the signers of the petition"

Good idea. Why do we have to pay for this?; 11/16/11, 11:13 AM
Anonymous said...: You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Recall has come to town

We're making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice.
Recall has come to Town!; 11/16/11, 11:16 AM
Chuck66 said...: Allie, are you a typical wacko? Do your neighbors hate you also?; 11/16/11, 11:17 AM
Anonymous said...: On the first day of Recall, my true sent to me
A petition in a pear tree...; 11/16/11, 11:24 AM
cubanbob said...: This is the reason college kids should only be allowed to vote in the district that is their legal permanent residence.; 11/16/11, 11:25 AM
MadisonMan said...: Why do we have to pay for this?

I'm not too ambivalent about paying for it -- there is a cost to Democracy, after all.

Like I said upthread, I have trouble buying into the success of the venture without knowing half the ballot. Paying for a failed attempt rubs me the wrong way.; 11/16/11, 11:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Walker the red nosed Governor
Had a very short short term
And when the Recall's over
We will surely see him squirm.; 11/16/11, 11:38 AM
Carol_Herman said...: HA HA HA

All those presents displayed under retail store trees are EMPTY! Neatly wrapped, though.

"You could take a picture."

Meanwhile, there's NO WAY the loons who have to find half a million voters willing to sign petitions ... means they can reach this goal.

Like the link above. They've jumped into their "Triatholon" ... And, in the water they're having a panic attack.

So the press comes to the rescue.

Same dogs that would sue if there was a Christmas display at a Mall. (Unless you think Sandra Day O'Connor's plastic reindeer saved the day.)

I still laugh when I hear about the plastic reindeer. Would those pink flamingos work as well?

How do you read the news, anyway? Do you find news stories credible? Or so one sided it's a wonder they're not rated as fairytales?

Think of it this way. You have to earn 9,000 pennies every single day for the next 3 months. The media is gonna be reporting this.

Does your back break from the daily bending down? As generous people throw pennies your way ... like they're breadcrumbs?

How many people, in today's world, actually want to give a stranger their name and address. And, their phone number?

Right off the bat I think "you know, if I sign this, I'm going to get annoying phone calls. Worse. I may get "volunteers" knocking on my door ... and they're not selling religion. They want to know that I'll definitely vote for their candidate.

Maybe, they'll offer me a "free ride" to the polls on election day?

REALLY!

Anyway, I'll gamble. I don't think there are half a million people willing to disclose where they live.

What's their benefit? A recall election?; 11/16/11, 11:40 AM
Cornroaster said...: Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???

Why wouldn't it be?

If it's not disruptive, I see no reason to limit activity in a public building that can be done outside.

I thought there was a law against political activity in government owned buildings in Wisconsin; 11/16/11, 11:43 AM
Carol_Herman said...: How come I remember the name Susan?

It was a recall campaign. With a phone call from a man named Clark. To a constituent. To "schmooze her" into voting for him.

But the viral tape didn't go that way, did it?

And, you, too, remember Susan's response, no?

Where does the money come from to fight Walker? The UNIONS. Maybe some thrown in by George Soros?

It's not as if whoredom also doesn't feed people who couldn't get such well paying jobs in the marketplace.

Politics creates the marketplace.

We get to watch.

Remember when Dan Rather thought he could push George Bush away from his win?

Sure. Dan Rather and his "Wounded Woverines." (Probably refers to a sports team, but I know not which.); 11/16/11, 11:43 AM
Carol_Herman said...: Are these courses about American politics taught in schools?

Bill Clinton's story is told. But I'm not so sure it will be taught in schools.

The Internet THRIVES. Goody. Goody.

Oh, Wisconsin, with its 10 Electoral College votes, is one of the 12 flip states.

We need a song. The 12 Flip States of Christmas.; 11/16/11, 11:45 AM
Big Mike said...: On the other hand, if there are a lot more like Allie living in Wisconsin, maybe it really is one big lunatic asylum.; 11/16/11, 11:45 AM
Original Mike said...: "there is a cost to Democracy, after all."

This isn't democracy. We had the election already, and the next one is already scheduled. This is a bunch of spoiled brats imposing their discontent on the rest of us.; 11/16/11, 11:51 AM
Chip S. said...: there is a cost to Democracy, after all.

Of course there is. As in all other cases, the question is how much of it you want at the going price.

Why not have annual elections? That would give you lots and lots of input from the people. Since nobody anywhere seems to do that, I'd guess the answer is, "Too costly."

So defending "free" recalls as part of the cost of Democracy doesn't persuade me. "Democracy" doesn't require arbitrarily short election cycles.; 11/16/11, 11:52 AM
Sofa King said...: I thought there was a law against political activity in government owned buildings in Wisconsin

Evidently not.

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/circulating_recall_petitions_in_public_buildings_3_79133.pdf; 11/16/11, 11:58 AM
Sofa King said...: Let's try that again.

GAB letter; 11/16/11, 11:59 AM
Christopher in MA said...: Allie, as the great Doug McKenzie said, "it was funny at first, but now it just bugs me." You can barely rhyme and your sense of scansion is nearly nonexistent. You've devolved into a bus-and-truck version of Carol Herman. None of the originality, old, clapped out and somewhat shabby.

But crow on, little girl. Just as I have with garage's posts, I'm saving yours. MY Christmas present will be the snuggly warmth of jamming them all back down your throat when you lose the recall.; 11/16/11, 12:01 PM
Anonymous said...: What? You didn't enjoy my Christmas program? Remember Santa doesn't like bad children.No candy cane for you, Chrissy.; 11/16/11, 12:09 PM
Carol_Herman said...: To actually "have" the recall ... the petitioners have to collect HALF A MILLION SIGNATURES.

And, then? Like Santa's "list" ... the names get checked not once. But twice.

And, some of us remember the VIRAL phone call Clark made to a woman named Susan. Where the answering machine collected her RESPONSE!

"SUCH A SHAME," she said. Clark wanted to call her back to beat her up.

Since Wisconsin is one of the 12 States considered "flippers" in the presidential election to come. Why do you believe the "noise" that getting these signatures will be like "Christmas Morning?"

Do adults still believe presents shoot down the chimney? And, only Santa pays for them?

I say: GROW UP

I say: Plastic reindeer was a judicial joke. I got it!

I say: Walker is ahead. Kasich, alas, misplayed his hand.

Politics lets us learn lessons.

While Dan Rather's reference to "Wounded Woverines" has me flummoxed.

Why does the left try so many underhanded tricks? Is it possible they can't sell themselves on credibility?

You know, I don't think there are 9,000 people a day, in Wisconsin, who are gonna come through with signatures.

As to "inside government buildings" being a collection point ... what makes you think it's where you'd go to collect half a million signatures?

Usually, the "collectors" stand outside Walmarts. IN THE COLD.

And, they have to ask the shoppers to take off their gloves. And, to stand there with their carts full of merchandise.

Maybe, it's just me, but I see the downside. Oh. And, I don't mind saying so, either.; 11/16/11, 12:11 PM
MadisonMan said...: This isn't democracy. We had the election already, and the next one is already scheduled.

Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low.; 11/16/11, 12:22 PM
AllenS said...: Allie, is your last name Grinch?; 11/16/11, 12:22 PM
Carol_Herman said...: Over in Saudi Arabia ... someone notices that in Wisconsin anyone can walk into a public building! They're probably thinking LAX SECURITY.

Won't be hard to dress up a "volunteer" bomber with a backpack full of explosives. And, no on-site security ... where he can press a button and go pop.

On the other hand? Outside of some government buildings in Wisconsin; I'd bet that a huge sum of money has gone into appropriate security.

You enter beyond the lobby ONLY if you have a legitimate reason. And, you're discussing this with security, first.

What does the signature collector do? Say he's there because he can canvas the building? And, the security officer is then the first person to sign?

What if to test this, in Saudi Arabia ... they're cooking up ways for "their front line volunteers" ... to enter public buildings looking just like "signature collectors?"

How many buildings would have to go "pop" in the daylight ... to show the security weaknesses you get from "easy access?"

Most of these "collections" will go door-to-door. If you're not expecting anyone ... it's a pretty good rule of thumb NOT to open your door.

If you do open your door ... I hope you have a very large pet dog ... who also becomes party to your "hello." "What do you want?"

All the "volunteer canvassers" should be outfitted with running shoes.; 11/16/11, 12:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Bagoh20 said: Even if I agreed with these people politically, I'd still find them unbearable.

I find myself thinking that all of the time. In fact, even where I do agree with the liberal-leaning line of thought, I often find myself embarassed for my ideological bretheren. (Major example: the Prop 8 dispute. From a pure, what policy do I agree with, I wanted it to fail, but by the time everything was said and done, I found myself sort of almost rooting for it to pass just because the NoH8 people were being such jerks about everything.); 11/16/11, 12:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Allie, is your last name Grinch?

11/16/11 12:22 PM
No Allen, I am no relation to Governor Grinch.; 11/16/11, 12:26 PM
Darrell said...: O Little Town of Madison
Oh, how the Lefties lie
They've got a bone with Scott to pick
He stopped them looting pie
Yet in the madness growing
The levelheaded wait
To make ol' Walker once again
The man in State once great; 11/16/11, 12:26 PM
Original Mike said...: "Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."

My argument is with both the people who wrote the law and the selfish people who are taking advantage of it. Just because it is legal for me to act boorishly doesn't mean it's somebody else's fault when I do so.; 11/16/11, 12:28 PM
m stone said...: From the UW System guidelines for employees (I work at a UW campus):

As a university employee, your political campaign activities are restricted by Regent policy and state law in three significant ways: (1) You may not engage in political campaign activities during your work time; (2) You may not use state resources to engage in political campaign activities at any time; and (3) You may not solicit contributions or services for a political purpose from other university employees while they are engaged in their official duties.; 11/16/11, 12:31 PM
Joe Schmoe said...: where's the "TOTAL RECALL!" guy? i liked him.

is this really what democracy looks like, a completely sclerotic, non-functioning entity that values its own needs over those of the electorate that it purports to serve? stupid question, i know.

even if this were a recall effort of a Dem guv, i'd still say Wiss-kahn'-sin is seriously, seriously effed up right now. apparently 21st century palace coups are bloodless now, as the goal is attrition--or at least absolute stasis--through non-stop campaigning and elections.; 11/16/11, 12:34 PM
TosaGuy said...: "Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."

Forrest Gump: Scene where Wesley the hippie hits Jenny and says:

"Jenny? Things got a little out of hand. It's just this war and that lying son of a bitch Johnson and...I would never hurt you. You know that."; 11/16/11, 12:40 PM
purplepenquin said...: Why not have annual elections?

Not only should we have annual elections, but a politician should also receive a vote from the majority of all the citizens s/he is seeking to represent, rather than just a majority of the people who bothered to actually vote.

From what I've been told, that is the best way to ensure that the will of the people is upheld.; 11/16/11, 12:47 PM
Joanna said...: Every day is Festivus in Madison.

hehehehe; 11/16/11, 12:47 PM
Original Mike said...: "Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."

And the more I think about it, no. How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this? (Maybe it has, I don't know). Being a guy of low imagination, I try not to criticize well-meaning people of similar limitations.; 11/16/11, 12:48 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...
Why not have annual elections?

From what I've been told, that is the best way to ensure that the will of the people is upheld.

In America, we don't have elections for "the will of the people"

Your ignorance is appalling.; 11/16/11, 12:52 PM
Anonymous said...: I saw Walker kissing Santa Koch
Under the mistletoe last night....; 11/16/11, 12:52 PM
Brian Brown said...: Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."

Yeah, uh, because just because we can do something means we should.; 11/16/11, 12:53 PM
purplepenquin said...: How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this?

All due respect, and I mean that sincerely, but how can you know if the process is being "abused" or if it is instead "working as intended" if you don't have any knowledge in regards to the background of the recall-laws in Wisconsin?; 11/16/11, 12:53 PM
purplepenquin said...: In America, we don't have elections for "the will of the people"

??

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?; 11/16/11, 12:56 PM
purplepenquin said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/16/11, 12:57 PM
AllenS said...: No, Allie, the Grinch wasn't a Governor. The Grinch is a fictional character created by Dr. Seuss. He first appeared as the main protagonist in the 1957 children's book, How the Grinch Stole Christmas.

The devious, anti-holiday spirit of the character has led to the name "Grinch" becoming a term used to describe a person opposed to Christmas time celebrations, or to someone with a coarse, greedy attitude.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like you.; 11/16/11, 1:00 PM
Known Unknown said...: I saw Walker kissing Santa Koch
Under the mistletoe last night....

These are getting increasingly more lame.; 11/16/11, 1:00 PM
Known Unknown said...: What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?

The United States is a representative republic, not a direct democracy.; 11/16/11, 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/16/11, 1:03 PM
Anonymous said...: No, Allie, the Grinch wasn't a Governor. The Grinch is a fictional character created by Dr. Seuss. He first appeared as the main protagonist in the 1957 children's book, How the Grinch.

11/16/11 1:00 PM
Yes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goods.; 11/16/11, 1:04 PM
damikesc said...: Yes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goods.

...says the person typing on a computer she owns on an internet connections she pays for...

oh wait, who am I kidding? It is just leeching off what somebody ELSE is paying for.; 11/16/11, 1:05 PM
Brian Brown said...: What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?

Um, to elect reprsentatives entrusted with governance.; 11/16/11, 1:06 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?

I realize to you left wing morons it is all about you and sending people to office to reflect your feelings and silly ideas, but that isn't why we have elections.

I suggested you Google "electoral college" and read the federalist papers.; 11/16/11, 1:08 PM
Chuck66 said...: Is the following the Grinch, or a Madison lefty:

Hates Christmas.
Bans Christmas trees.
Is perpetually angry.
Lives in an isolated cacoon.
Only cares about what he gets and doesn't care about the good of the broader society.; 11/16/11, 1:08 PM
Brian Brown said...: Allie said...
Yes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goods

Hysterical.

So says someone who votes for the party that believes it is the responsibility of government to define and punish "the rich" while redistributing income.

You are delusional.; 11/16/11, 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Damikesc,
I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in. Sorry to burst your bubble. So unimaginative , can't you do better than that?; 11/16/11, 1:12 PM
MadisonMan said...: How long has this law been in place?

Added to the Constitution in 1926, amended (not sure how) in 1981.; 11/16/11, 1:13 PM
damikesc said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/16/11, 1:17 PM
Original Mike said...: "All due respect, and I mean that sincerely, but how can you know if the process is being "abused" ..."

That's my opinion. If this is indeed what was intended, then I do have a beef with the those who wrote it.; 11/16/11, 1:18 PM
damikesc said...: I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in. Sorry to burst your bubble. So unimaginative , can't you do better than that?

So, you seem QUITE obsessed with your material goods.

Did you teach all of your kids your rank hypocrisy?; 11/16/11, 1:18 PM
Known Unknown said...: I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in.

Congratulations. Now what?; 11/16/11, 1:36 PM
Christopher in MA said...: "These are getting increasingly more lame."

E.M., they were lame from the start, with her "Santa Baby" snigger.

Although it at least reminded me of the cover by Kellie Pickler, which has a nice arrangement and a sexy Marilyn Monroe vibe to it, unlike (IMHO) Eartha Kitt's frightening, breathy "you better watch out!" growl.; 11/16/11, 1:40 PM
Roger J. said...: Really havent followed the Wisconsin kerpluffle--Apparently there is recall petion against the incumbent governor, who has apparently pissed som people off.

So please, someone, preferably a wisconsite informed about the Wisconsin constitution and appropriate codes, enlighten me--

some wisconsin voters wish to recall the governor--does the recall petition specify who should replace the governor if so recalled?

Or is the governor declared persona non grata and is there a subsequent election to replace him (or her)?

Or do recall petitions require a replacement name?

If the current governor is recalled, does the Lt Gov (or some similar entity)take over the reins of governance?

I would like someone to 'splain this all to me.

These are my questions, and honestly i dont give a damn what the folks in Wisconsin do--its their state not mine. Just asking about process here.; 11/16/11, 1:44 PM
Original Mike said...: I don't know, Roger, but I'm sure a recall supporter, who certainly deliberated carefully and responsibly before saddling the state with this burden, will be able to answer all your questions.; 11/16/11, 1:48 PM
Roger J. said...: Original Mike--I await the answer with bated breath.; 11/16/11, 1:50 PM
Original Mike said...: Me too, actually.; 11/16/11, 1:54 PM
Joe Schmoe said...: And the more I think about it, no. How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this? (Maybe it has, I don't know). Being a guy of low imagination, I try not to criticize well-meaning people of similar limitations.

O.M., laws like these have been around for awhile. The CA recall law (from U of CA Govt. Studies Institute):
"The language in the recall provision is strictly procedural. Substantive grounds for recalls are not specified. Recalls can be launched to remove corrupt officials, and to remove officials whose policies and performance are found wanting. The recall is but one of several mechanisms for removing public officers. Others include the normal criminal process, impeachment, term limits, and, of course, the next election."

Obviously it's very vague, and the phrase 'whose policies and performance are found wanting' leaves it wide open for abuse (if WI recall law is similarly written). My understanding of recall law is that this was a safety mechanism that would allow the electorate to get rid of someone who was either corrupt or really, really sucked by all standards. Not 'I don't agree with your politics'. Usually congressfolk are loathe to impeach someone because the wind can change direction suddenly while you're pissing on your colleague.

So it is legal, but that doesn't mean it's not being abused or that it couldn't use a little tightening up. To just say 'oh well, that's the law' is to imply a laissez-faire approach to all government regulation. Can you imagine a lefty advocating that financial regulation laws be left unchanged?; 11/16/11, 1:56 PM
Anonymous said...: http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=2708&zoneid=1

Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen Issues Formal Opinion: Wisconsin Constitution Requires a Separate Petition for Recall of Governor and Lieutenant Governor
Thursday, November 03, 2011

Electors to vote for each office separately if constitutional recall election for each officer is triggered

MADISON — Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen issued a formal opinion today concluding that the Wisconsin Constitution's recall provisions apply independently to the Office of Governor and the Office of Lieutenant Governor. If the constitutional requirements for a recall election are met with respect to one officer, only that office will appear on the ballot in a recall election. If both officers were to be recalled, recall elections would be held for each office and electors would vote for those offices independently.

In the general election, as opposed to a recall election, the Governor and Lieutenant Governor are jointly elected as a partisan ticket.; 11/16/11, 2:00 PM
Roger J. said...: Joe Schmoe--I liked your comment, but as you said, the procdures would, presumably based in the Wisconsin code and constitution.

Still waiting for Wisonsite to explain this to me--preferably with cititations from the Wisconsin code or constitution.

what happens in CA stays in CA--ask Grey Davis--what does Wisconsin law say about this?; 11/16/11, 2:02 PM
Roger J. said...: Allie--thanks; 11/16/11, 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...: RogerJ,
A candidate does not need to be named at this time. Both the Governor and his Lieutenant are being recalled simultaneously, but on separate petitions.; 11/16/11, 2:06 PM
Roger J. said...: And Allie--as I understand your link, it appears that the Lt Gov would assume the office of governor, since the Lt Governor is not a subject of the recall petition--Is that correct?; 11/16/11, 2:07 PM
Roger J. said...: oops--sorry Allie--didnt see your subsequent post--so both the gov and lt gov are being recalled?; 11/16/11, 2:08 PM
MadisonMan said...: some wisconsin voters wish to recall the governor--does the recall petition specify who should replace the governor if so recalled?

In the case of recalled Senators, there was an election held where the Senator ran against someone. I'm not certain, but I think if the recall signature-gathering is successful, then an opposition candidate (candidates? Why assume just one party?) is chosen and an election is held.

So the recall petition only asks for a recall election to be held. That's my understanding -- I haven't actually read any petitions.; 11/16/11, 2:10 PM
Roger J. said...: Allie et al--so were the petition drives to be affirmed, there would be a subsequent electio to elect both the gov and lt gov?; 11/16/11, 2:10 PM
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MadisonMan said...: Guess what that refers to

I would have guessed earmarks being added to some bill.

But then I clicked on the comments.; 11/16/11, 2:11 PM
Roger J. said...: Mad Man--as is usual remain the voice of reason on this blog--thanks; 11/16/11, 2:11 PM
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Roger J. said...: So as I understand from those who have been so gracios to respond--if both the gov and lt gov are recalled, then a general election will be required?; 11/16/11, 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Allie et al--so were the petition drives to be affirmed, there would be a subsequent electio to elect both the gov and lt gov?

11/16/11 2:10 PM
Yes, Roger.; 11/16/11, 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: oops--sorry Allie--didnt see your subsequent post--so both the gov and lt gov are being recalled?

11/16/11 2:08 PM
Yes, so fellow Wisconsinites, don't forget to sign BOTH petitions.; 11/16/11, 2:20 PM
Roger J. said...: And should the gov be recalled, and the lt gov not recalled, does the lt gov assume the governship?

wv: enuff

how does the damn thing know?; 11/16/11, 2:21 PM
Roger J. said...: and assuming both gov and lt gov are recalled when is general election held to elect a replacement for both positions?; 11/16/11, 2:24 PM
Anonymous said...: And should the gov be recalled, and the lt gov not recalled, does the lt gov assume the governship?

wv: enuff

how does the damn thing know?

11/16/11 2:21 PM
A recal election is different than a general election in that the Governor and Lt Governor are elected separately, so no Kleefish does not become Governor , should he be recalled and she survives recall. This is what I understand, but will see if I can find a source to link to.; 11/16/11, 2:27 PM
Roger J. said...: and a follow-on--were both gov and lt gov recalled who runs the ship of Wisconsin state until a general election is held?

I dont mean to sound contentious, but these seem to me to be appropriate questions.

If you think I am out of bounds let me know.; 11/16/11, 2:28 PM
Roger J. said...: Allie--thanks for your input--you seem to the only person willing to step up to the plate on my questions--which, again, I am not positing for argumenative purposes--only to find out what the process is,; 11/16/11, 2:30 PM
Anonymous said...: http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=11827&locid=47

The recall election is held on the Tuesday of the 6th week after the recall petitions are certified.; 11/16/11, 2:34 PM
Roger J. said...: Allie--again thanks; 11/16/11, 2:35 PM
Anonymous said...: No problem Roger, happy to provide the particulars.:); 11/16/11, 2:36 PM
wildswan said...: How does the recall work? I mean the petition doesn't remove Walker does it? It just triggers an election? in which Walker can run? So Walker gets a chance to talk about how the unions caused teacher layoffs in Milwaukee and so on. So why the celebration by leftists? I think they are whistling past their graveyard.; 11/16/11, 2:41 PM
MadisonMan said...: were both gov and lt gov recalled who runs the ship of Wisconsin state until a general election is held?

The recall only means that an election will be scheduled to vote between the elected official to be recalled and his or her opponent(s).

So the governor would continue to govern, just as he (or she) would if a "regular" general election was approaching.; 11/16/11, 2:42 PM
Roger J. said...: Mad Man--thanks to you as well

I find it fascinating, at least as the thread responses have played out, not many wisconsites understand the consequences of a recall and what happens in its aftermath.

My thanks to Allie and Mad Man who have tried to inform me--I hope both of you can bring some facts to the table as a result of a recall petition.

As I said, I have no dog in this fight--I think an informed electorate needs to know the potential consequences of their vote.; 11/16/11, 2:46 PM
Anonymous said...: There could also be a Primary in the recall election process, so another Republican could challenge Walker. If he isn't challenged he can run again against the Democratic candidate.; 11/16/11, 2:49 PM
Roger J. said...: Allie--again thanks--has there been a democratic candidate who might seek the governship? If so who?; 11/16/11, 2:51 PM
Anonymous said...: I should clarify, If Walker loses the Primary vote , then he obviously would not run again, interesting, no?; 11/16/11, 2:53 PM
Roger J. said...: The recall election, Ms Allie, is interesting--which led me to me first list of questions.; 11/16/11, 2:56 PM
paminwi said...: Screen grab: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/democrats-plan-cemetery-petition-drive-to-collect-names-to-oust-scott-walker/

Democrats will do anything to get enough signatures for the recall!; 11/16/11, 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Mahlon Mitchell,a firefighter union chief is very popular. Some hope he will run. Nice video of him in link.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/27/8506067-firefighter-union-chief-considering-run-against-scott-walker; 11/16/11, 3:03 PM
MadisonMan said...: has there been a democratic candidate who might seek the governship? If so who?

There have been names tossed around as trial balloons, but I don't think anyone has declared an intention to run. I could be wrong. Politics is wearying to keep up with.

I know that Feingold has said he would not run. There are probably others.; 11/16/11, 3:08 PM
TosaGuy said...: "Mahlon Mitchell,a firefighter union chief is very popular."

With who? You live in a very bizarre world.; 11/16/11, 3:29 PM
TosaGuy said...: Would that be the Mahlon Mitchell that refused to have the City of Madison Fire Department participate in the state 9/11 commemoration ceremony because the governor gave a speech there?

Is that why he is popular?; 11/16/11, 3:35 PM
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Original Mike said...: "My understanding of recall law is that this was a safety mechanism that would allow the electorate to get rid of someone who was either corrupt or really, really sucked by all standards. Not 'I don't agree with your politics'."

Yeah, the "I don't agree with your politics" reason is abuse, in my book. And you know how we can test for abuse (unfortunately, after the fact)? Walker is recalled 75% to 25% = legit. Walker is recalled 52% to 48% = abuse.; 11/16/11, 3:49 PM
Eli Blake said...: Hey, I live in Arizona, and about six months ago when people began the drive to recall Russell Pearce (arguably the most powerful politician in the state) NOBODY thought there was any chance at all that it could succeed.

Even a month ago, all the pundits were predicting he'd pull it out, and a week before the recall were shocked when a poll came out showing the race was a dead heat.

But-- it can be done. We did it.

(best thing about Arizona-- we are now the only state in the country with politicians named Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin and Paul Newman.; 11/16/11, 4:09 PM
James said...: >>I find it fascinating, at least as the thread responses have played out, not many wisconsites understand the consequences of a recall and what happens in its aftermath.<<

I think you're drawing the wrong conclusion. We are very much aware of what will happen in the event of a recall. Here in S/E Wisconsin we're watching how the recall campaign kicked off with a rally in front of Walker's private residence; the proponents of the recall aren't making many friends with that stunt.; 11/16/11, 4:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Curious George, did you find out YOU were the idiot? Hahahahahaha.; 11/16/11, 4:42 PM
President-Mom-Jeans said...: While I am generally against most of the rulings by that left-wing icon of the Supreme Court, Oliver Wendell Holmes, reading Allie's pathetic scribblings makes me reconsider my opposition to his ruling in Buck v. Bell (274 U. S. 200 (1927) for those of you legally inclined).

Perhaps this liberal lion of the Supreme Court may have been on to something, in the extremely narrow circumstance of inferiors such as Allie, Garage, and the other leftwing dregs that inhabit this site.

To quote Holmes, "Three generations of imbeciles is enough."; 11/16/11, 4:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Curious George, I can just see you rushing to delete your comments when you found out YOU WERE WRONG LMAO!; 11/16/11, 4:45 PM
MadisonMan said...: we are now the only state in the country with politicians named Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin and Paul Newman.

You've posted this before. But a great fact like this deserves repeating.; 11/16/11, 4:54 PM
Original Mike said...: Here's a reform that would weed out abuse: A successful recall requires 2/3rds of the votes.; 11/16/11, 4:57 PM
MadisonMan said...: How many elections, even with known corrupt politicos, are decided that overwhelmingly? (I don't know the answer to that question).

I don't want the bar too high. The number of signatures required for it should probably be upped, however -- although I don't know what that requirement is either!

I don't know very much, apparently.; 11/16/11, 5:02 PM
Original Mike said...: Recall should not be just another election. It should be for malfeasance or incompetance.; 11/16/11, 5:05 PM
Original Mike said...: 2/3rds is the bar to remove the President, if I am not mistaken. The logic in having the bar that high is clear. "Elections 'till we win" is unstablizing.; 11/16/11, 5:11 PM
Big Mike said...: @MadMad, I used to have you pegged as a standard-issue Madison liberal. But here and in other recent threads you are displaying a decent amount of common sense. Since liberals don't usually exhibit any degree of common sense, I have to find a new pigeon hole for you.; 11/16/11, 5:16 PM
Paddy O said...: Isn't Jerry Lewis in California? San Bernardino area I think.

Or are their two Jerry Lewi in Congress?; 11/16/11, 5:48 PM
Curious George said...: "Allie said...
Curious George, I can just see you rushing to delete your comments when you found out YOU WERE WRONG LMAO!"

Rushing? They were up for an hour.

I was thinking of a non-partisan election, as this came up regarding Prosser.

Your point really is stupid however. There is no way that Walker will not be on the final ballot. No real GOP contender will oppose him. I suppose a strong Dem contender could oppose him, and make the primary into the recall election, for all intents and purposes....but that ain't going to happen. So Walker will be on the ballot.

There might be GOPs in the Democratic primary...and there could be multiple Dems. Of course right now there is none.

I think it's telling that lefties are big on Mahlon Mitchell. You really don't care who runs the state as long as it's not Walker. But this guy is a one trick pony...a union guy...and the last thing the left wants top talk about is the public union issue. If Mitchell gets the nod Walker will ea him for lunch. He will be the lefts next Lena Taylor.

Wait, weren't you the one that thought Taylor would have a chance now against Walker? Pretty sure you were. And conforms that you are in fact a moron.; 11/16/11, 5:51 PM
Toad Trend said...: Has a certain childish charm, no?

Amusing, these 'many' that refuse to take 'no' for an answer.

I doubt there are many who've considered the ramifications of a recall.; 11/16/11, 6:01 PM
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Anonymous said...: ‎'Twas the Night Before Recall, or A Visit From a Fighting Spirit
.by Steven Philip Senski
‘Twas the night before Recall, and all through the state

Of Wisconsin were voters who scarcely could wait
...
The papers were Xeroxed and readied with care

In fond hopes of the signatures soon to be there

The children were slumbering, home safely from schools

Which were gutted and cut by Republican 'tools'

With our Recall Scott Walker sign stuck in the lawn

My wife and I planned to arise with the dawn

And set out, door to door, to those neighbors we knew

Who were just as disgusted at Scooter and Crew

When down from the street there arose such a blast

I thought, Lord, what new hell has the GOP passed?

The November air, once so chilly and quiet

Was filled with excitement; could it be a riot?

A storm, it was breaking; not one from the sky

But a groundswell that rose with a hue and a cry

When what to my wondering eye appear’d thence

But a figure in black from a century hence

He marched with a fist raised in manner defiant

While his workers upon ev’ry word were reliant

“On Wausau! On Oshkosh! On Point and Milwaukee!

On Kenosha and Ashland! Yes, you too, Pewaukee!

To each office and home, till you reach one and all.

Now sign away, sign away, sign to Recall!”

They came from their neighborhoods, came from their jobs,

They came, though reviled as thugs and as slobs

They came from Menasha, Monona and Merrill

They came, for they knew that their state was in peril

There were Waukesha folk, not a lot, it was plain

But they worked with resolve like their county was Dane

Now who was their leader, this fiery speaker

Who roused them when they should grow sullen or weaker?

His clothes were familiar, his stance, it was steel’d

But the night kept his features being revealed

I awaited the point when mayhap we would meet

As he solemnly marched up my once-sleepy street

Then…a turn! Now a streetlamp! Epiphany in light!

And we saw Bob La Follette returned for the fight!

This was no fragile ghost, but substantial in power

That grew from his minions, was fed by the hour

And at last I could see, and with joy understand

That the Progressive Spirit returned to our land

Then our gaze finally met, dear old Bob’s and my own

And for one beat in time, we were two souls alone

He gave me a smile, I returned it in kind

Though one living, one not, we were of the same mind

As I saw tears a-forming from tired old lids

I held my wife close, and we thought of our kids

For this task to be done wasn’t for here and now

But for those to come after, so they would see how

We must always be wary and watchful and wise

For greed and corruption takes any disguise

And when given the chance, shapes the world to its wishes

But Wisconsin’s not open to those avaricious

Bob La Follette, he knew it, and now we do too

Though the task is historic, we must see it through

Then Bob gave me a nod, and the night closed around
As he slipped from my view, making nary a sound

But I heard him exclaim as he marched out of sight,

“Happy Recall to all! Never give up the fight!”; 11/16/11, 6:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!; 11/16/11, 7:00 PM
TosaGuy said...: "@MadMad, I used to have you pegged as a standard-issue Madison liberal. But here and in other recent threads you are displaying a decent amount of common sense. Since liberals don't usually exhibit any degree of common sense, I have to find a new pigeon hole for you."

You are correct, MM is a pretty reasonable guy.; 11/16/11, 7:12 PM
TosaGuy said...: With regard to recall reform, I propose the number of signatures needed is the amount the candidate received in the prior election plus 1.; 11/16/11, 7:14 PM
Known Unknown said...: Allie said...
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11/16/11 6:50 PM

Wrong too, huh?; 11/16/11, 8:33 PM
Anonymous said...: No, EM Davis, I posted two Night Before Recalls, I deleted the first one, because it wasn't as witty as the one that I left. BUT I can post it again , no problem:) Or how about some more carols?; 11/16/11, 8:44 PM
Known Unknown said...: The children were slumbering, home safely from schools

Which were gutted and cut by Republican 'tools'

'Twas the Night Before Christmas was fiction, too.; 11/16/11, 9:27 PM
purplepenquin said...: I realize to you left wing morons...

*sigh*

Keeping it classy as always, I see. I've been respectful to those I disagree with; is it really too much to ask others to do so as well?

Seriously, instead of just playing these childish name-calling games you should try to have an actual discussion. You could start off by explaining why you personally choose to vote. I go to the ballotbox 'cause I want to express my will...my viewpoints....my vision...for the city/state/county/country. I do this by voting for someone who can best represent that for me.

Why else would someone bother to cast a ballot?; 11/16/11, 10:30 PM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: If I hadn't read the tags, I'd have just assumed that Ann was talking about the Kindle Fire. Got mine yesterday ...

wv: onefu; 11/17/11, 7:53 AM