Althouse: Mental self-government: "People with a legislative style like to come up with their own ideas and to do things in their own way..."

September 29, 2011

Mental self-government: "People with a legislative style like to come up with their own ideas and to do things in their own way..."

"... people with an executive style prefer to be given more structure and guidance or even told what to do; people with a judicial style like to evaluate and judge things and especially the work of others."

36 comments:

PoNyman said...: I think a legislative type person came up with this notion.; 9/29/11, 3:12 PM
deborah said...: The labeling seems cutesy, with conflicting logic. If you legislate, you must execute, then judge your results. Sounds like he came up with names and then filled in made-up psychobabble (usually I like psychobabble pretty much).; 9/29/11, 3:28 PM
Unknown said...: PaddyO here, google decided to freeze my account because of suspicious behavior of trying to leave a comment here. Now it is demanding my phone number to restore access.

They call it security measures, I call it phishing.; 9/29/11, 3:31 PM
Fred4Pres said...: Which form of mental self government do these Althouse commentators follow:

Trooper York:

Crack:

Carol Herman:

Titus:

Discuss!; 9/29/11, 3:34 PM
David said...: The style that does not do well with memorization (also called introductory information) is also called "lazy."

I know, because I tried this style for many years.

My grades finally improved when I learned that they correlated with effort.; 9/29/11, 3:36 PM
Fred4Pres said...: PatrickO, google is obviously following a mental self government of FASCISM.; 9/29/11, 3:36 PM
Shanna said...: How can you tell whether someone "coming up with their own ideas" is a good idea or not, unless you know what their ideas were? Were they successful?

Some new ideas are brilliant and some are idiotic. Some are not new at all, in fact probably none of them are new. Many have been tried before and found to be useless, inefficient ways of doing thing and thus discarded, until someone else comes along thinking they've got a brilliant new idea.

What style does that make me?; 9/29/11, 3:38 PM
edutcher said...: A lot of executives have a laundry list of things they want and a plan to do them.

Professor Sternberg's executive sounds a lot like Michelle's hubby.

When I think of legislative style, somebody like LBJ, the great consensus builder and deal maker, come to mind.; 9/29/11, 3:38 PM
Mitch H. said...: This theory sounds like it was composed with the aid of a dartboard.; 9/29/11, 3:40 PM
Bob Ellison said...: Montesquieu got it all wrong. It's not separation of powers that defines how individuals behave; it's savory v. sweet breakfasts. People with a savory preference tend to like confrontation and challenge; people with a sweet preference tend to be opportunistic and optimistic.

Also, bacon with maple syrup.; 9/29/11, 3:40 PM
Fred4Pres said...: Bob Ellison, I am always disappointed when a savory breakfast is not provided and I generally start a confrontation over it.; 9/29/11, 3:42 PM
Fred4Pres said...: But I am usually optimistic. Is that because I like maple syrup on ham, bacon and sausage?; 9/29/11, 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Sounds like he had a deadline and no good ideas.; 9/29/11, 3:53 PM
raf said...: So someone who is dictatorial is ... legislative?

Me, because I disapprove of everyone else's ideas, I come up with my own to create a structure I can use to guide myself in the future without having to have any ideas at the moment.; 9/29/11, 3:55 PM
Lance said...: That theory of mental self-government is:

Option D: Begging the question.; 9/29/11, 4:17 PM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Paddy O:
You can just click thru without giving your cell number. They try that stuff regularly and they make it difficult to see that it is OK if refrain from giving your number. So just click continue or enter.; 9/29/11, 4:29 PM
sorepaw said...: Robert Sternberg's a clever guy and an excellent researcher, but not all of his ideas are profound.

I was once talking to a colleague about this theory. I opined that it was clever, but not terribly deep, and wondered whether Sternberg had gotten started on it by scribbling the three categories down on a cocktail napkin.

My colleague, who had done a postdoc under Sternberg, laughed long and hard.

It turns out he was sitting at the table in the bar when Sternberg scribbled executive, legislative, and judicial down on a cocktail napkin.; 9/29/11, 4:36 PM
Dark Eden said...: This seems delusional. My take:

Legislative: "We have a problem. Let's all sit down in the conference room and talk about it for ten hours or until we reach consensus, whichever comes last."

Judicial: "We have a problem. Let me consult wikipedia and the internet for a few days researching how other people have handled this problem in the past. From this I will work out the most viable solution for the problem in the present based on a sound framework."

Executive: "We have a problem. My gut tells me this is the best solution, and my gut is mighty wise. Now get me a beer."; 9/29/11, 4:50 PM
Henry said...: There's some good stuff at the link, but the labels are very foolish. The author does say that he came up with 13 different governmental styles, which I doubt is very helpful.; 9/29/11, 4:57 PM
Paddy O said...: AJ, I've seen that one, the one that suggests you need to add extra level of security just in case.

This was different. They actually disabled my account. I couldn't check my email, or do anything. And there was no way around it.

Yeah, I caved and gave them my # so they could text a code.

Fascists.; 9/29/11, 5:04 PM
J said...: Dyslexichousers tend to smash their fists on the table, vent, resort to various fallacies--and avoid evidence or arguments. Looks like Executive ,like BushCo style (works for most in Black Robe posses too--aka joodiciary)

--Ah "Fred4pres", the LDS-GOP log cabin sockpuppet AKA Byro Barfaroni (and also titus, deborah, john, many others) back with his usual witless juvenile trolling and derailing . Just go back to yr g*ys for Romney sites, fraud.; 9/29/11, 5:18 PM
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Here are 2 layers of J insulation between his comment and the rest of the thread.; 9/29/11, 6:06 PM
Bob Ellison said...: Fred, you have dissociative identity disorder. Please report to the nearest pseudotherapist.

wv: inersize; 9/29/11, 6:20 PM
Joe Schmoe said...: I think his theory is pretty much hokum and cribbed mightily from the Myers-Briggs personality types.; 9/29/11, 6:22 PM
traditionalguy said...: It needs a 4th category:

People raised by a shrewdness of apes with a style that squats and scratches in the Wisconsin Capitol Rotunda. They are also called nonhuman apes.; 9/29/11, 6:24 PM
ken in tx said...: Planning, Organizing, Controlling, and Directing--newer texts add Staffing. These these are real ways to get things done. They are the basic functions of management. Governing only addresses some of these functions. It always comes up short.; 9/29/11, 6:28 PM
Synova said...: Generally introductory courses suck because they are too general, not because they are too controlled. Everything is glossed over. They tend to be larger than upper level courses, so testing is different.

I can see myself in each category. I'd much rather decide how something should be done and do it my own way. If I have to do something someone else's way I would like firm structure and explicit guidance. This is almost restful. Half-assed guidance is worse than none at all. And I particularly enjoy analytical sorts of things (and constantly disagree with teachers and texts.)

What I don't really see is how clear expectations and structure translate to this...

"From this point of view, the introductory psychology course I took, like many introductory courses, particularly rewarded students with an executive style – students who liked to memorize what they read in books or heard in lectures."

Liking to memorize and being good at it doesn't really have anything to do with being comfortable with clear expectations and a structured environment.; 9/29/11, 7:30 PM
sakredkow said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 9/29/11, 8:09 PM
Tyrone Slothrop said...: Fred4Pres said...

Discuss!

Fred4Pres is obviously judicial!; 9/29/11, 9:41 PM
chickelit said...: They call it security measures, I call it phishing.

It happened to me last year. It just means that you've said something controversial and need to be watched.; 9/29/11, 9:54 PM
clint said...: So what about people like me? I like to be evaluated and have my work judged by others. Is there no room in his world for me?; 9/30/11, 6:26 AM
Shanna said...: Yeah, I caved and gave them my # so they could text a code.

You can put in a fake number. That's what I did.; 9/30/11, 7:20 AM
Fernandinande said...: I hate this type of statement; all it says is:

"People who like to come up with their own ideas and to do things in their own way like to come up with their own ideas and to do things in their own way. We'll give that a name.

People who prefer to be given more structure and guidance or even told what to do like to be given more structure and guidance or even told what to do. We'll give that a name.

People who like to evaluate and judge things and especially the work of others like to evaluate and judge things and especially the work of others. We'll give that a name."

Deep!; 9/30/11, 8:08 AM
Freeman Hunt said...: Wouldn't legislative style be one willing to accept anyone's ideas for the right price?; 9/30/11, 6:00 PM
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That theory of mental self-government is:
	Bad, but maybe I'm saying that because I'm the judicial type.
	Fine for him, but prefer my own ideas, which don't include the notion that my style is legislative.
	I fully accept it, and therefore claim the mantle of executive.

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