August 1, 2011
"Gabby is voting to support the bipartisan debt-ceiling compromise."
And, as the bill passes the house, presumably everyone is reminded of the new commitment to civility that went to hell somewhere between Obama's Tucson speech and the Satan Sandwich.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 327 of 327I wish that there was more kindness and empathy in these comments. Gabby Gifford was tragically injured and it was a brave milestone in her recovery to appear in congress and vote. I understand there is anger out there, but insulting Gabby Gifford is a very low brow choice. Anyone having made rude comments about her should be ashamed. Where is your humanity?
I wish that there was more kindness and empathy in these comments. Gabby Gifford was tragically injured
Six people were killed. Where is your kindness and empathy where they are concerned? You don't even know thier names.
and it was a brave milestone in her recovery to appear in congress and vote.
Again, because no one can explain, why was it "brave" ?
This is the same silliness we heard when "Teddy" died. We were expected to suspend debate because he died "tragically". Rubbish.
I understand there is anger out there, but insulting Gabby Gifford is a very low brow choice.
We're not insulting her. We're saying that she is not above reproach simply because she got shot. She's a politician who has re-entered the public sphere.
Where is your humanity?
She was used as a prop. You think thats humane?
Who's talking about class here.
Fen demands: Do what I want or I will keep attacking you in the most vile way.
No difference in him and that Fr*sch woman out in Oregon.
aronamos: Fen demands: Do what I want or I will keep attacking you in the most vile way.
I haven't attacked her in any vile way.
There is nothing vile in demanding that she denounce those who used her name to falsely accuse conservatives of formenting terrorism.
You have to make shit up to justify your faux outrage. You're such a sucker.
Cue a gaggle of libtards who are outraged by things I didn't say...
@Fen:
200 comments and no mention of the 6 people...
No one else mentioned them because you haven't accused them of anything.
that the "brave" "heroic" "Gabby" survived.
What's with the scare quotes? Are you trying to say that she lived because she was cowardly, or that she used the other six as a human shield?
You don't even know thier names.
That's not as bad as dragging them into an argument to try to minimize your classless behavior.
Cue a gaggle of libtards who are outraged by things I didn't say...
Actually, pretty much everybody is outraged by what you actually did say.
Actually, pretty much everybody is outraged by what you actually did say.
What did I say that was outrageous, Gabriel? Be specific, instead of hiding behind some unsupported vague reference.
As for "brave" and "heroic", here is someone actually deserving of the terms:
Hernandez, 21, was hailed as a hero after his quick thinking was credited with keeping Rep. Giffords (D-Ariz.) alive until paramedics arrived after she was shot in the head outside a Tucson-area grocery store in January.
After hearing the gunfire, Hernandez ran to Giffords and held her upright so she could breathe and applied pressure to her head wound. He had been hired by Giffords less than a week before the Jan. 8 attack.
Or perhaps you can take up the argument that everyone else is running away from: what exactly was "brave" and "heroic" about Gabby appearing to vote yesterday?
Fen - "Are we to charge e.g. Jodie Foster with approving of Reagan's shooting?"
Actually I do. She's my favorite, but if you research the history you'll find that she encouraged Hinkley to remove Reagan. Yes, it was loose talk to a deranged fan, but she was still responsible for it.
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After some 200 posts accusing Fen of acting like a boorish idiot with no empathy....we find he is a little deranged...Maybe not at Loughner levels of conspiratorial thinking.
But .......
Jodie Foster ENCOURAGED Hinkley to "remove Reagan"???
Your evidence of their conversation?
She was responsible for what Hinkley did?
Fen, like Freder Frederson, once you get in a hole, you only dig deeper.
You've never had any experience with traumatic brain injury, have you, Fen?
Sheesh.
You're as bad as Andrew Sullivan, demanding a peek into Palin's uterus.
BTW, on the gay intern...like the rest of the crowd, he ran from the gunfire. Once others tackled and subdued the monster, the crowd, knowing it was safe, surged back because a lot of friends and loved ones were on the ground. Hernandez was one of them who went back when it was safe to do so.
Many of them began 1st aid, others making calls for police and ambulances. Hernandez was one of about 30-35 people involved in 1st Aid and "comforting" victims in the immediate aftermath.
He became the media's marquee star of the shooting aftermath because he was gay, hispanic, and loved the camera. He helped fill the 2nd big media "narrative du jour" as well. They billed him as a hero in part to show America how much gays belonged in the military.
That he was typical of how the crowd behaved was not mentioned much. Eventually "Hernandez the Hero" went away as a media story because he did nothing heroic..he was just part of the crowd that helped people. And yes, while dozens of people ran and kept running, he didn't do anything extraordinary compared to the dozens of others who ran back to check on and hopefully help friends, family, acquaintances...
"There is nothing vile in demanding that she denounce those who used her name to falsely accuse conservatives of formenting terrorism."
No, not vile. Childish, narcissistic, unrealistic; but not vile.
"Congresswoman! Commenter Fen says you must denounce some people!"
"Who? What? I'm due in rehab..."
"But Fen demands it!!!"
"Oh, no! We'll hop right on it, then!"
There has to be a strong presumption against Giffords being at regular cognitive capacity until proven otherwise-- she was shot in the head!-- and, whatever jokes we may crack (however justifiably) at the low, unenforceable, and, frequently enough, waived threshold for functional capacity in the U.S. Congress, the fact remains there is every reasonable supposition to be made that she is not engaged with the duties of her post until proven otherwise.
Yes, time has passed and perhaps a reasonable recovery is, at length, within her grasp but-- she was shot in the head!
And do we expect Giffords to linger on to catch up on committee work while she's up at Capitol Hill?
This is showmanship, a bit of grasping at an opportune moment to recharge the Giffords "brand" Democrats have invested so much in. It must remain highly questionable whether Giffords can attempt a '12 reelection-- but we can be almost certain that, as long as she isn't visibly drooling, Democrats will wax outraged at the slightest challenge to her capabilities, even if she finally reveals (or more like it, it is revealed on her behalf) that she will not offer herself again for her district's services.
Humanly speaking, Godspeed Mrs. Giffords. But we have every reason to be skeptical about this prurient little charade.
Debbie W-S was on TV today (Tuesday) commenting on how Gabby's HUSBAND called her on Sunday night to say she has been watching the coverage of the debt ceiling deal and told Debby that Gsbby would be there if her vote was needed to pass the bill.
My question is: if her HUSBAND had to be the one to call, really, how well is she? Debbie W-S also said that they a gearing up for her re-election next year and that is her goal for her physical, occupational and speech therapy.
Democrats are going to milk this for all they can and will criticize any Republican who runs against her if there is any question at any time about her ability to serve!
There has to be a strong presumption against Giffords being at regular cognitive capacity until proven otherwise-- she was shot in the head!-- and, whatever jokes we may crack (however justifiably) at the low, unenforceable, and, frequently enough, waived threshold for functional capacity in the U.S. Congress, the fact remains there is every reasonable supposition to be made that she is not engaged with the duties of her post until proven otherwise.
This is my way of thinking also.
If she can't talk, one thing Giffords could do to show that she is cognitively fine would be to show how she does communicate. Then communicate some things to show that she's functioning just fine and put people's minds at ease.
Jodie Foster ENCOURAGED Hinkley to "remove Reagan"???
Yes. You didn't know this? Did you even know they exchanged correspondence? Research it. I'm not going to gig it up for you.
Why should Giffords have to prove cognitive competence when Sheila Jackson-Lee doesn't?
You're as bad as Andrew Sullivan, demanding a peek into Palin's uterus.
No, I simply refuse to bow to the Shrine of Saint Gabby that you are all constructing.
I am dismayed at the lack of compassion for the citizens of Minnesota, saddled as we are with the past (?current) alcoholic and mushmouthed dys-orator, the relentlessly addlepated former Worst US Senator Mark Dayton, now our actual real Governor.
I kid you not.
Governor.
I am usually surprised he can get out of his limo unassisted (that's how you know he's having a 'good day'.) During our recent gubmint shutdown, a tussle he lost, the roadside toilets were shuttered, but he kept his maid and cook as part of the 'critical duties' not furloughed.
And all these words expended here, but no sympathy for the bedeviled.
Call me disappointed.
Congresswoman! Commenter Fen says you must denounce some people!"
"Who? What? I'm due in rehab..."
"But Fen demands it!!!"
"Oh, no! We'll hop right on it, then!"
Oh please. All I said was that if "Gabby" is cognizant enough to appear on the floor of the House to vote on complex legislation... then she's also cognizant enough to denounce the false accusations of terrorism made in her name.
And if she can find a window in her rehab to for this, then she can certainly find time to issue a 3 sentence statement.
That you guys have to make up stuff that I didn't say only proves my point.
A fever swamp of comments,
a Fen.
This woman was put on the floor right before the vote tally to steal some of the GOP thunder of a gigantic win.
Nothing more, nothing less, it's what dems do.
Symbolism over substance, that is....
Well, at least Phil's insult is clever.
That, and he doesn't want to shoot me for not bowing to the Shrine of St Gabby.
Count me in with Lucius and Freeman--this exercise strikes me as using a person as an means and not an ends. Apologies to Kant
@Fen:All I said was that if "Gabby" is cognizant enough to appear on the floor of the House to vote on complex legislation... then she's also cognizant enough to denounce the false accusations of terrorism made in her name.
You could have made a persuasive argument along these lines, but instead of doing that, you STARTED with:
Until then, STFU.
And followed up with things like
Being shot does not excuse one from being a bitch.
And at this point you lost everyone who was sympathetic with your argument.
Your next comments were:
She's associated directly with it, and until she denounces it, she's fair game....I think you guys are just being chauvinists about it because a woman was shot....
And you childishly split hairs about this when criticized:
I didn't call Gaby a bitch. If I had meant to, I would have said "being shot does not excuse her from being a bitch".
Which everyone could see was bogus: you weren't criticizing anyone else who was shot, besides Gabby Giffords.
All you did with this sort of behavior was alienate anyone from assocaiteing themselves with your point of view and trying to understand it.
And NOW all you are left with is "What? What? What did I say that was so bad?"
Congratulations on becoming Alpha Lib's mirror image.
Chip A said - "And therefore it makes sense to shit all over Giffords for casting a vote? WTF?"
Why are you placing words in my mouth? I never said anything like that.
Too late April.
Gabrielle et al will be along shortly to explain to you what you *really* meant.
So it was Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, DNC chair, first on the "New Civility" bandwagon, early on the GOP=terrorists bandwagon, always ready to use Giffords' recovery to make political news (she opened her eyes right after Obama left!), who seems to have told Giffords that yes, her vote was needed.
Let's see what she does next.
Just another grotesque move by the democrats. What will they do next, wheel Teddy's decaying bloated corpse out for really close votes?
Gabriele: You could have made a persuasive argument along these lines, but instead of doing that, you STARTED with:
Until then, STFU.
No. If you're going to quote me, don't clip it. What I said was in repsonse to shake:
shake: She doesn't deserve to be drawn into the partisan sewer of this issue.
"Wake me when she denounces the way her fellow democrats used her tragedy to demonize the Tea Party.
Until then, STFU."
So yah, I told shake to STFU. Boo-hoo.
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I didn't call Gaby a bitch. If I had meant to, I would have said "being shot does not excuse her from being a bitch".
Gabrielle: Which everyone could see was bogus: you weren't criticizing anyone else who was shot, besides Gabby Giffords.
No. I was responding to the assertion that being shot prevents anyone from questioning the purity of the victim (you conveniently left that out). Which is why I specifically used the hypothetical "being shot does not excuse one from being a bitch".
It makes no sense that I would call "Gabby" a bitch. I don't know the first thing about her or her politics (other than she is a Dem). And I have zero evidence of any behavior on her part, good or bad.
And NOW all you are left with is "What? What? What did I say that was so bad?"
Exactly. Because the only way you get there is to distort what I actually said.
Shake & Bake:
God bless Gabby Giffords but everythung is political these days.
This morning I heard Debbie Waserman Schulz say Giffords' husband called Sunday night and said Giffords wanted to vote.
That struck me as strange- why didn't Giffords herself make the call?
Nobody's distorting what you are saying, Fen; you just keep SAYING it.
@Fen:I didn't call Gaby a bitch. If I had meant to, I would have said "being shot does not excuse her from being a bitch".
Yeah, THAT one is a winner. Keep saying that, over and over. It's SO convincing.
What are you, twelve?
AJ Lynch said...
... why didn't Giffords herself make the call?
My guess would be that she isn't able to communicate. She might not even be able to talk. Does anyone think that she could even type an email?
To me, the only real strike against Giffords as a person is that she is pals with the nauseating Female Anthony Weiner. (Wasserman-Shultz)
As for Congresswoman Giffords - I doubt she is at 100%, may not ever be at 100% after such a terrible wounding, but news articles today from Democrats and Republicans say she recognized them and was able to give brief conversational responses. I know Fen will be upset, but that is great news.
Meanwhile, and since the shooting, her staff continues to deliver constituent service, do committee work as assigned...and can assist Giffords when she returns at some point.
There is absolutely zero talk in AZ about needing a special election to replace her. Her vote is not critical to anything, given the current House balance. Her chief of staff can do her other duties, compensating to the extent of what Giffords needs others to manage.
Then in a year, the voters in her district will have the opportunity to say yeah or nay after seeing her campaign, where she stands on issues. If she decides to run again.
That Giffords is alive and showing strong signs of recovery is a wonderful thing. For almost everyone.
What C4 said--(and he didnt even mention progressive jews--thats positive growth C4; esp for an engineer :) )
From the article, which was thecaucus.blog New York Times:
Ms. Giffords smiled as she moved through a crowded hallway. She did not answer questions, but raised her hand to wave as she walked into a waiting elevator.
You can read any number of reports that she is now talking and bench pressing 225 lbs. but that doesn't mean that it's true. News outlets are trying to put a nice spin on it, and nothing more.
The behavior found in these comments is disgusting. What is this...High School?
Many of you are earning your poor reputations right here on this blog.
Fen said...
Jodie Foster ENCOURAGED Hinkley to "remove Reagan"???
Yes. You didn't know this? Did you even know they exchanged correspondence? Research it. I'm not going to gig it up for you.
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Fen, you are going deep into the conspiracist fever swamps. Jodie Foster was a part of the Reagan assassination attempt? Plotting with Hinckley?
My, its either a big shovel or you are digging that impressively deep hole furiously.
*I* think people are distorting what Fen is saying.
Machine--this is what politics has become. sad. On both sides of the spectrum
"What is this...High School?
Many of you are earning your poor reputations right here on this blog."
Will they become part of our Permanent Record?
There certainly is an impressive amount of "Well, I never!Have you no decency, Sir?" pearl-clutching going on here.
What happened here is that Giffords' status as a sympathetic victim was used to build emotional support for a budget bill that wasn't very popular among the Dem rank and file.
It's not nice to notice that, though, that's like shitting all over poor Gabby. Horrible! Just shut up and vote for the bill, Gabby would want you to!
Anyone wanna trade governors?
Yes,
Anything you say or do can and will be held against you in a court of law.
You will be judged by a panel of your machine peers.
My heart goes out to the many bloggers who only see this as a stunt and lack the compassion to understand how this women has struggled to reclaim as much of her life as possible--including voting on congress.
Some reason in this thread to start insulting engineers?
I applaud Fen for refusing to cave into phony political correctness. And I especially enjoyed Fen's use of Ted Kennedy's funeral as an example of why libruls, on average, are pompous and disgusting. Giffors should be wary of being used by the far left unless, of course, that is where her politics lie.
My heart goes out to the many bloggers who only see this as a stunt and lack the compassion to understand how this women has struggled to reclaim as much of her life as possible--including voting on congress.
Do you have to lack compassion for Giffords to see this as a stunt?
I had compassion for Robert Byrd, but I saw wheeling him out as an ObamaCare vote as a stunt.
I had compassion for Robert Kennedy, but I saw the letter on his father's grave after the OCare vote as a stunt.
It may not have been Giffords' stunt, although saying that makes some people here very angry. I don't trust Wasserman-Shultz to not engage in stunts.
AllenS said...
From the article, which was thecaucus.blog New York Times:
Ms. Giffords smiled as she moved through a crowded hallway. She did not answer questions, but raised her hand to wave as she walked into a waiting elevator.
You can read any number of reports that she is now talking and bench pressing 225 lbs. but that doesn't mean that it's true. News outlets are trying to put a nice spin on it
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That she didn't answer the pack of reporters pursuing her is not atypical behavior for members of the House or Senate. From experience, pols have learned to avoid the "ambush" questions.
But later, on the floor, you have video footage of Giffords recognizing others, saying thank you, saying their name. That does not prove she can now flawlessly cite budget figures and speak long constructed sentences extemp with words that come quickly and are perfectly enunciated...But yes, she is now talking and no, from the looks of her she can't bench press 225 lbs.
Awesome Fen. Keep talking, you may even turn these guys into Democrats at the rate you're going.
I agree with AJ after a torturous trip through the comments: Fen stood his ground against PC.
We have to expect anyone to perform her duties (not theatrical like yesterday), renounce bad behavior by family and colleagues, or respectfully resign. Circumstances notwithstanding.
Cedarford said...
But later, on the floor, you have video footage of Giffords recognizing others, saying thank you, saying their name.
I don't have video footage. Do you? If so, could you provide a link. I'd like to see it.
You know, if somebody, maybe a month ago, had said that eventually Cedarford would go all politically correct on us, I would have called you crazy.
WV: tenders
That word is PC.
"I'd like to be the first person in this thread to go on record as denouncing Chris Matthews, on my own, without Giffords's help."
Matthews was an absolute embarrassment last night. Time for that crotchy old man to retire.
Debbie Wasserman-Shultz was on the Today show, crying and saying Gabby's return is just the beginning of the uplifting togetherness in Congress.
DWS still wants to get a "Together We Thrive" moment out of this.
*I* think people are distorting what Fen is saying.
You mean the part where he attacks Gifford because other people used her tragedy as a club? Or the part where he blames Jodie Foster for Hinkley shooting Reagan?
According to the neo-confederate-Khristians and crypto-Klansmen (to which Fen-tard apparently belongs)
Taxation's part of the the state-Devil. TAXES ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVVILL! That's what the bumpkins think. That, and Jodie Foster tried to assassinate Reagan, and Hillary's a lizard, Obama's a communist muslim, and evolution's a lie, etc.
Sedate the Fen-tard and his allies too-day.
The conspiracy that's been uncovered in this thread is frightening in scope:
As Biden hugged Giffords, Republican presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., joined them.
Michele Bachmann: Collaborator or dupe?
Discuss.
"Michelle Bachmann: Collaborator or dupe?"
Both. And coward. And fool. After what Slow Joe vomited out about the Tea Party, the only way she should 'join' him is with a Louisville Slugger to split open his empty head.
The drift of this thread disappoints me on a visceral level. Ive got to go with what Allen S said ... wounds heal, injuries not so much, even over long periods of time.
I was never shot, just stabbed and bludgeoned enough so that left side of my face had to be repaired and mostly replaced with silicone implants. In a quonset hut with rats scurrying about now and then. I was one of the lucky ones and still believe it.
I watched men beside me get shot, crumple, and mostly die sooner or later, with those who survived changed forever in some meaningful way. It changed me, the experience, in a meaningful way, for better or worse.
I cannot imagine how anyone can think they grasp what it is like to be shot in the face and head from arms length unless it has happened to them. Screw the politics ... she's walking and talking!! Therein is the miracle.
I can only relate through the experience of the woman I love most on this earth ... who went through a burst aneurysm in the brain and was saved by the speed and skill of the surgeons who got to her in the ER. Plus her own faith in a good outcome...which she got, with work, no impairments what-so-ever. She claims she lost her patience in the event ... I don't bother to tell her she never had any. I just get down on my knees in gratitude for her surgeons and most of all, her spirit.
Now couple that brain damage with also being shot in the head face to face ... and I pose that none of here has a clue, unless we also went through it, what that entails and should just STFU except to say "F'ing-A, Gabby, welcome back!"
PS: I apologize in advance to anyone who feels I'm sanctimonious. On this subject, I am. Sorry.
and I pose that none of here has a clue, unless we also went through it, what that entails and should just STFU except to say "F'ing-A, Gabby, welcome back!"
I pose that we should have no one in government about whom we must STFU.
Maybe Michele Bachman should have ramped up and called Miss Giffords a witch, like she has other ...non-fundamentalists. And Biden too, who works for the...DEVVILL. Since she didn't, and didn't like have them disappeared by some of her klansmen pals, she's another collaborator, aka Ratfink.
@MayBee--"should" =/= "must".
Aridog's point is about empathy, not your constitutional rights.
It amazes and depresses me that this point still has to be made after 260+ comments.
Aridog's point is about empathy, not your constitutional rights.
It amazes and depresses me that this point still has to be made after 260+ comments.
It doesn't have to be made. It has been made. Many people- including me- simply disagree.
I do not agree that empathy for another human precludes questioning him, and that isn't based on the Constitution (where did that come from?).
I have empathy for her and think it's great she's doing well.
But I have to admit I'm surprised at how condescending toward her people who are purporting to be supportive of her really are.
I do not agree that empathy for another human precludes questioning him, and that isn't based on the Constitution (where did that come from?).
One reason you're so tiresome is that you refuse to acknowledge the clear implications of the stuff you post.
When you said
I pose that we should have no one in government about whom we must STFU
you were--intentionally or accidentally--alluding to your First Amendment rights.
But I'm glad to hear that you understand Aridog's point. Your statement to that effect is the only evidence that you do.
Nobody's distorting what you are saying, Fen; you just keep SAYING it.
He does that, yeah. :)
I pose that we should have no one in government about whom we must STFU
you were--intentionally or accidentally--alluding to your First Amendment rights.
No I wasn't.
I was talking about how important I believe it is for people to question, even in their own heads, politicians. Even when you find them sympathetic figures.
It really isn't complicated at all.
I was talking about how important I believe it is for people to question, even in their own heads, politicians.
OK, then, for the Nth time: What's your question about Giffords showing up to vote on the debt-ceiling bill?
I still haven't gotten an answer to that from anyone who's "questioning" her. I've seen rants about Wasserman-Schultz and Joe Biden. I've seen suggestions that Giffords should be removed from office by the House. And I've seen--many, many times--a demand that she apologize for stuff other people said while she was in a coma.
But I haven't seen a clear statement of why she shouldn't have gone to work.
Jaysus... now I know from where came the 'party of stupid'. Talk about obstinate and obtuse.
Chip - no one has questioned why she went to work. Some have wondered though why she timed her grand entrance in the middle of this big battle. Why do you think it is so wrong for us to say it on this blog?
@Pogo
*Raises hand!*
Yes! I'd swap Moonbeam for Dayton in a NY minute.
AJ, Good question; thanks for asking.
I entered this thread solely to ask why people found it remarkable that she would go to the trouble of voting on this bill. It wasn't an attack on anybody, but just a question b/c I thought I must be missing something.
Turns out, there doesn't seem to be a good reason to attack her. There's a very simple potential explanation of why she voted, which is that she actually thought this was an important bill, and she felt moved to do her part to avert what she thought would be a crisis. Her entry onto the House floor was going to be an "event' no matter what, as a sign of her remarkable recovery so far.
So I have not been able to understand the need to find something sinister here. I could understand if she had joined forces with Emmanuel (Satan sandwich) Cleaver or the others who opposed the bill b/c it cut too deeply. But the key point is, she voted with Boehner. Where's the crass partisan machination in that? I just don't see it.
Seems to me that her husband--who seems to be the one who initiated this--probably thought that this would be good for her spirits, to feel that she mattered. Count me among those who feel good for her that she could do it. I don't see that as a PC attitude, but simply as rooting for another human being's recovery from a horrible wound.
Althouse should never have applied the "civility bullshit" tag to her post, because this isn't about that, IMO. It's about letting go of partisanship for a little while. The "permanent campaign" is a wearisome thing.
I wrote a sanctimonious verbose run-on comment that the Blooger-Grue ate apparently ... just as well.
More simply put ... My reaction to seeing Congresswoman Giffords in the House to vote was:
F'ing-A, Gabby, Welcome back!!
Politics, of others no doubt, be damned. I have to go with Allen S's remark. A wound heals, but the injury can last a very long time. I was lucky (that is all it was) and didn't get shot, just banged up enough to need reconstructive surgery on my head and face in a quonset hut no less. I was lucky!! Still feel that way. If we ain't been shot in the head and face at close range we just cannot know. The trauma is beyond the physical. She's back, howeveer funcitonal, and damn that is good to see.
For Congresswoman Giffords just being back is a significant step in her healing, even in the smallest way, it gives her spirit an uplift.
I'm no Democratic fan, but I can tell you all I wanted to do when I saw her was to reach out and touch her fuzzy head...something I did joyfully when someone I dearly love was stricken down with an anuerysm in the brain...as she healed from under the USMC style buzz cut over 3 surgeries. Every little "victory" counts and aids healing ... just walking in to the House itself. I've seen it. My beloved recovered 100% and half of it was her indominable spirit.
Sorry, went all sanctimonious again. Dang.
Crap! The Blogger Grue didn't eat my first wordy post, after all, and now y'all have two of them.
Sorry 'bout that. Chip S seems to get it as well, as I know Allen S does. I'm not alone then, eh?
Aridog- that is very beautiful that's how you feel. And it was nice to see your second post, without the STFU.
:-)
@Chip S
It's about letting go of partisanship for a little while.
The left never pauses in their relentless pursuit of power for a nanosecond. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but they use civility, decency and politeness as a cudgel against their opponents.
I am truly sorry Giffords was shot, but the President and her party used the slain and injured to turn a tragedy into the ugliest sort of partisanship for political advantage. That's about as unforgivable as it gets.
We are in just as much a fight for our survival as Giffords was in many ways.
The left is already clamoring for cutting treatment to seniors and long term care for "lifestyle" medical conditions. Who do you think is setting the parameters, non-partisans?
To be perfectly frank, do you think Giffords' ongoing medical treatment will be curtailed under the cost saving scheme now in play? Choosing who lives and who dies is the ultimate partisanship.
Playing by the rules aka non-partisanship and $3 will get you a latte, a blue pill and a one-way ticket to the nearest ice floe.
Aridog,
Never hit PUBLISH YOUR COMMENT until you've made a copy of it. Right now, it's taken me over 5 minutes to type this comment. Blogger is running very slow.
Cedarford: Fen, you are going deep into the conspiracist fever swamps. Jodie Foster was a part of the Reagan assassination attempt? Plotting with Hinckley?
No. I said it was loose talk. She had phone conversations with him. The talk turned to politics and she mentioned she hated Reagan and said (something close too) she wished he would just die. She didn't mean "go out and kill him for me", but thats what he took away from the conversation as a way to impress her. I remember it because I followed the investigation and the trial.
"*I* think people are distorting what Fen is saying."
Aridog: You mean the part where he attacks Gifford because other people used her tragedy as a club?
I didn't attack her. I said that if she is cognizant enough to vote on this bill then she's cognizant enough to denounce the things that were done in her name.
* Aridog bows before the Shrine of St Gabby and hysterically cries: "But this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal!"
She how that works? Its so easy to distort what people say when you just make it up.
Now go clutch your pearls some more.
Cedarford: To me, the only real strike against Giffords as a person is that she is pals with the nauseating Female Anthony Weiner. (Wasserman-Shultz)
Wait till Bigot Cedarford discovers "Gabby" has a Jewish connection...
I didn't attack her.
You’ll have to excuse my confusion. I thought you were the Fen making comments such as:
9:39 pm: “You can't have it both ways - either she is responsible for what is done in her name or she is too addled to exercise judgement. Being shot does not excuse one from being a bitch.”
9:49 pm: “She's associated directly with it, and until she denounces it, she's fair game.”
10:06 pm: “What you guys are saying, and whats entirely unreasonable, is that she is immune to this kind of criticism because she just recovered from being shot.”
etc.
Obviously it was some other Fen who was being an asshole.
Chip: Seems to me that her husband--who seems to be the one who initiated this--probably thought that this would be good for her spirits, to feel that she mattered. Count me among those who feel good for her that she could do it. I don't see that as a PC attitude, but simply as rooting for another human being's recovery from a horrible wound.
Everyone is rooting for her recovery. But when the Defense Authorization for AfPak comes up, how much of that vote should be about "Gabby's" rehab and "feeling that she matters" ?
"Damn, she raised our taxes, but it was important to her recovery!"
*gag*
Althouse should never have applied the "civility bullshit" tag to her post, because this isn't about that, IMO. It's about letting go of partisanship for a little while.
The "civility bullshit" tag is appropriate. As evidenced in this thread, we are not allowed to question anything St "Gabby" does. Else people here will lie about what we said, malign us, and threaten to shoot us.
Hockey Bum- would it be inappropriate for Giffords to say "you know I watched tapes of CNN's Dana Bash and Jessica Yellin and Gloria Borger the night I was shot. And they seemed to be unaminous in blaming Sara Palin and the Tea Party for inciting the shooter. And that is very wrong when media bigshots, who are supposed to be giving their viewers facts, are instead impugning someone's actions and reputation for the sake of political advantage".
I didn't attack her.
Obviously it was some other Fen who was being an asshole.
Obsviously, you don't know what the word "attack" means.
Else, please explain how your "evidence" “What you guys are saying, and whats entirely unreasonable, is that she is immune to this kind of criticism because she just recovered from being shot.” is an "attack".
I kinda agree with Fen.
She obviously is not ready to resume her seat so this is just a stunt.
Politics ain't beanbag.
Hockey Bum- would it be inappropriate for Giffords to say "you know I watched tapes of...
1) You are assuming facts not in evidence, and 2) she has no responsibility for the irresponsible acts of others - especially while she was in a coma.
If she decides to make some sort of statement, later, that's fine, but she has no obligation to do so.
AJ: Hockey Bum, would it be inappropriate for Giffords to say -
See, in Hockey Bum's fragile world, asking her to do that is a "vile attack"
For penance, we must prostrate ourselves before her Shrine and say 20 "Hail Gabby's"
And maybe add in some sanctimonius bullshit about how "Gabby" is the bravest most heroic most generous bestest bestest person we have ever known. For now and all eternity.
Hockey in Bum:
"facts in evidence" is evading my question and now I now have sufficient evidence to know you are a librul jerkoff.
Hockey Bum: she has no responsibility for the irresponsible acts of others - especially while she was in a coma.
We've already said, at least a dozen times now, that she is not responsible for the blood libel of Democrats and the MSM.
And she is no longer in a coma.
So why is it an "attack" to expect her to denouce the vile things that were done in her name while she was away from us?
Fen, I’m curious about your recollection of the Reagan assassination attempt case.
Foster’s testimony was:
"Now with respect to the individual John W. Hinckley, looking at him in the courtroom today, do you recall seeing him in person before today?"
"No."
"Did you ever respond to his letters?"
"No, I did not."
"Did you ever invite his approaches?"
"No."
"How would you describe your relationship with John Hinckley?"
"I don't have any relationship with John Hinckley."
Hinkley also had tapes from where he had called her on the telephone.
The description I’ve found says, “The tapes revealed a puzzled Foster trying to put a quick end to the call: "I can't carry on these conversations with people I don't know.’"
Do you have some other source for your knowledge that Foster told Hinkley that she wished Reagan “would just die?”
Quit dodging Hockey Bum
Else, please explain how your "evidence":
“What you guys are saying, and whats entirely unreasonable, is that she is immune to this kind of criticism because she just recovered from being shot.”
..is an "attack".
So why is it an "attack" to expect her to denouce the vile things that were done in her name while she was away from us?
Calling her a "bitch" and "fair game" isn't an attack?
Do you have some other source for your knowledge that Foster told Hinkley that she wished Reagan “would just die?”
Thats not a direct quote, and I even qualified it by saying she said something close to that. Because I don't remember the exact quote. It was 1982. 40 years ago.
Besides, you haven't argued in good faith with me today. So why should I invest energy on you re something I recall from 40 years ago?
I also think hockey fans are messed up.
But that's just me.
why should I invest energy on you re something I recall from 40 years ago?
You're a keeper of obscure knowledge. I thought you might want to share some of it with us.
See hockey guys try to tell you that the fighting in the sport is good and that it is a better game than baseball or football or especially basketball.
That is because most (not all) hockey fans are racist dimwits.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I mean look you have Cedarford on your side. Hee.
That's a sure sign you should kinda rethink your position. Just sayn' dude.
Trooper York, as Jennifer O'Neil observed, "John Wayne was a consummate gentleman. Bigger than life."
If you're going to use his image as your avatar you might want to keep that in mind.
Fen at 4:32....
What are you on about? Where did you get that stuff ... and seem to attribute it to me? Am I misreading you?
I did not say criticism was wrong, even if I find it over done for this particular instance.
Given some of the near comatose dolts, of both parties, who've inhabited Congress I'd say Giffords was hardly stepping over any lines there...regardless of the reason she was there. If nothing else, she was at least awake, eh? No argument there I hope.
Calling her a "bitch" and "fair game" isn't an attack?
I didn't call her a bitch. I said that being shot doesn't preclude one from being a bitch. The point being that just because you are shot doesn't make you a saint above reproach. I've explained that several times now, but you and yours perfer to cling to your "vile" assumption of what you *think* I really meant.
And no, saying that she is "fair game" is not an attack. She is fair game (today) because she has nothing to say about her name (still) being used to launch vile attacks on her opponents.
If you had half a brain, you would argue: "if it was wrong for Republicans to be called on to denounce Lougher, its also wrong for "Gabby" to be called on to denounce Democrats and the MSM". But since you aren't interested in arguing in good faith, that point will never occur to you. So I have to make it for you.
So what are you left with? That I told shake-n-bake to STFU? Boo-hoo.
Being a gentleman doesn't mean you can't tell the truth.
This was a stunt. The congresswoman is being used by someone. If she is not fully ready to resume her seat she should not be wheeled out for political purposes. Once you do that you are fair game for critics.
Welcome to the NFL.
Aridog: What are you on about? Where did you get that stuff ... and seem to attribute it to me? Am I misreading you?
This is the part where I make ambigious assertions claiming you said something without actually quoting you...
Ok, no. Seriously, I had just finished reading your post before responding to someone else. Got the names mixed up. Sorry, that was meant to be attributed HockeyBum, not to you. My mistake, I apologize for mixing the two of you up.
This was a stunt. The congresswoman is being used by someone.
Who?
She voted in favor of the legislation put forward by the Republican Speaker of the House. She was embraced by Michelle Bachmann.
Who is this nefarious "someone?"
I suspect her husband. Or her aides who want to keep their jobs so they want to pretend that she is capable of being a working Congresswoman. Or people that want to sell this deal from either side of the aisle.
Look. Her shooting was a tragedy and a crime. I feel really bad for her. But you are kidding yourself if you think she should remain in Congress.
Just because Joe Nameth was the greatest quarterback in Jet's history doesn't mean he should still be out on the field if he can't physically do the job.
Welcome to the NFL.
HockeyBumWho is this nefarious "someone?"
Jodie Foster of course.
[sorry, couldn't resist]
I suspect her husband. Or her aides who want to keep their jobs so they want to pretend that she is capable of being a working Congresswoman. Or people that want to sell this deal from either side of the aisle.
They do have a book deal. Is it a "vile attack" to mention that?
Granted, some of it is going to charity. But it remains to be seen if that cut is 5% (for the PR value) or if its actually all the profit.
Follow the money.
It is usually the way to find out what it is all about.
Welcome to the NFL
I played football in high school. It's really more of a spectator's sport. Hockey is a player's sport.
Hockey is for people who can't play a real sport like baseball, football or basketball.
You know. Canadians.
You've never played hockey.
I played hockey, but decided not to be a bum.
Or seventy year old guys like Gordie Howe.
How old was he before he retired?
Seventy five?
True I never played hockey. I don't know how to ice skate. I thought that was only for girls in short dresses and guys like Titus.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I mean everybody loves the Ice Capades right?
That's just like hockey after all.
When you speak the words "Gordie Howe" show some respect. He is a god!
That's the first thing you said right today Hockey Bum.
Gordie is certainly old enough to be God.
But even he would say he is too old to get back in the game.
You see if you can't physically hack it you should stay out of the game.
That's all we are saying.
Those "girls in short dresses" have the best legs. And they just happen to be at the rink...
I played hockey, but decided not to be a bum.
Being a hockey bum is my aspiration. Unfortunately I have to work for a living. I still get a couple of games in a week, though.
Hockey Bum: "Gordie Howe"... He is a god!
At least now I better understand your predilection to deify Saint "Gabby".
And you never chimed in with your Papal writ: is it a "vile attack" to mention that Saint "Gabby" has a book deal?
Just checking.
"Gabby" has a book deal
Good for her. If her book is interesting I might even read it. Unfortunately most politician's books are not.
If her book is interesting I might even read it.
What kind of wretched person would give her book a bad review?
Why won't you buy her book, HockeyBum? Don't you have any compassion? Do you have the first clue whats involved in recovery from a gunshot wound? You're really sounding as bad as the Kos Kids. Shame shame shame!
HockeyBum: most politician's books are not interesting
A vile attack!! on Saint "Gabby"
/s
[cue Cedarford rant about how the publishing industry is controlled by Da Jeeeews! and the circle will be squared]
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