Oh, come on. Why would someone who went to Harvard Law School know what all the piddling little statutes and ordinances are? Elite law schools are for teaching high level concepts. Specific rules are for the little people.
Remember, Obama said: "I do have an obligation to make sure that I’m following some of the rules." Some of the rules. He went to Harvard Law too. Don't you see? You pick some rules that it will serve your interests to follow, follow those, and then preen about your amusing law-abidiness.
(Thanks to Insty for the first link.)
October 15, 2010
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Well, it is Chi-town, after all. You make some noise about it and the guys with the violin cases show up.
It's only her husband that's the chief law enforcement official in the country, not her. She shouldn't be held to the same standard. You know, that standard that is presiding over tens of thousands of military votes being completely, utterly disenfranchised. I've not heard any fixes for this yet. Just finger pointing.
Is Althouse clinging to guns or religion or antipathy towards folks unlike herself or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment?
She seems bitter.
I'd say in this case that it's just a
bunch of niggling details..but..I'd probably be called a racist..
Suber's really going for it.
I think this could be reworked to express the way Althouse has come to dislike BHO:
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter..."
Take out the Midwest small town stuff, and replace it w/ whatever it is BHO has done or not done which has so shocked Althouse (because apparently she wasn't listening (or was selectively listening) during the campaign).
How about the blatantly easy stuff he said he was going to do and failed to do, 1jpb? Is he above reproach for everything?
"Specific rules are for the little people."
And by no stretch of the imagination is the First Linebacker a 'little person.'
Still, I don't know anybody who's cast a ballot that doesn't also know you don't campaign in a polling place! Has she not seen the episode of Weeds where Doug's name is left off the ballot and he's removed, only to campaign 300 feet away?
Voting polls are like a church confessional in my experience [and I am from Philly]. You go in and you vote with a kind of calm and reverence around you and inside the poll itself. Most people are quiet and keep to themselves.
How many times have you seen TV footage of some candidate and his spouse voting early in the morning? I have never seen any act like they are campaigning.
Maybe the Obamas are feeling the heat.
"Specific rules are for the little people."
True, all too true. But a Harvard-trained lawyer would know not to flaunt it. A better defense for the FLOTUS, and something that any Harvard-trained lawyer would think of instantly, is that her brief encounter with another voter wasn't electioneering in any relevant sense, and it's not what the statute was aimed at. Everyone knew who she was, and in context, her role was mainly belle of the ball. A brief conversation with someone she didn't know, touting her husband's team, was merely being gracious in the formal, accepted manner of American politics.
Can you say hearsay? I thought you could.
Remember the voter intimidation matter with the Black Panthers.
1jpb
She seems bitter.
And you seem stupid.
But the first lady — known for her healthful eating initiatives — had her own fast-food moment while on the road in Milwaukee on Wednesday. Michelle Obama stopped at Miss Katie’s Diner and had a cheeseburger and fries, according to TMJ4, a local NBC affiliate
How is that not healthful?
Oh, come on. Why would someone who went to Harvard Law School know what all the piddling little statutes and ordinances are?
Apparently she did know, according to the Trib. And as you always say, "you owe her an apology!
Obama abided by election laws that prohibit electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place.
Maybe she was there on a mission to get some extra ballots cast against Rich Whitey. You know she only wants to do it to make up for screwing all of those Illinois Servicemen out of their chance to vote against Rich Whitey. In Atlanta quite frankly the White Man's Laws have not been accepted by the African Americans. Why should they be ruled over like that any more?
Harvard trained MBAs are even more arrogant than Harvard trained lawyer, and that is saying something.
An incredible entitlement mentality.
I was kind'a like that the first time I voted. You know, lookin' around, trying to see who other people were voting for, chatting a bit too much.
It's just a nervous thing. She will do much better next time.
Garage,
Sheesh...you've been had, man. Twice.
ScottM,
There hasn't been a single day where I've regretted casting my BHO vote, i.e. I never think 'wouldn't we be better off if only McCain had won.' Not one day.
That's not the same as claiming BHO is infallible. I wasn't one of those folks singing BHO tribute songs as I drove around w/ BHO's image airbrushed on my car.
What kinda credentials do you have to present in order to vote in Illinois?
Fox news and the right wing noise machine once again reveals why so many of us call them Faux News, as according to the Trib, which covered the story first hand she followed the rules. Thanks Garage for the link.
Preaching to the choir.
The last Republican elected from that district was 1947
Sheesh...you've been had, man. Twice.
I just gave you the link from the Trib that said she violated no law, and wasn't even in the polling place when thios discussion took place. The pool report from the sun-Times never mentioned Michelle was in the polling place when this discussion took place. Talk about being had.
Come and get it rubes!
RV: "Fox news and the right wing noise machine once again reveals why so many of us call them Faux News"
Now that may be the most cliche ridden comment yet. Thanks, RV and keep up the good work.
Garage: Even if it had happened a.) I could care less and B.) you would find a way to defend it.
Early voting appears to have different rules, because the Illinois legislature made an additional electioneering rule for early voting. Only electioneering is prohibited, campaigning and political discussion (prohibited on Election Day inside polling places) is not:
(10 ILCS 5/19A‑70)
Sec. 19A‑70. Advertising or campaigning in proximity of polling place; penalty. During the period prescribed in Section 19A‑15 for early voting by personal appearance, no advertising pertaining to any candidate or proposition to be voted on may be displayed in or within 100 feet of any polling place used by voters under this Article. No person may engage in electioneering in or within 100 feet of any polling place used by voters under this Article. The provisions of Section 17‑29 with respect to establishment of a campaign free zone apply to polling places under this Article.
Any person who violates this Section may be punished for contempt of court.
(Source: P.A. 94‑645, eff. 8‑22‑05.)
I think Michelle skates on this basis.
Thank you Alhouse for coming to realize that these are some of the most uppity people to occupy the White House.
What kinda credentials do you have to present in order to vote in Illinois?
None if you show up in your precinct polling place and vote on election day. Early voting is different because there are far fewer polling places, making the chance that one of the election workers knows you personally quite small.
(b) In conducting early voting under this Article, the election judge or official is required to verify the signature of the early voter by comparison with the signature on the official registration card, and the judge or official must verify (i) the identity of the applicant, (ii) that the applicant is a registered voter, (iii) the precinct in which the applicant is registered, and (iv) the proper ballots of the political subdivision in which the applicant resides and is entitled to vote before providing an early ballot to the applicant. The applicant's identity must be verified by the applicant's presentation of an Illinois driver's license, a non‑driver identification card issued by the Illinois Secretary of State, a photo identification card issued by a university or college, or another government‑issued identification document containing the applicant's photograph. The election judge or official must verify the applicant's registration from the most recent poll list provided by the election authority, and if the applicant is not listed on that poll list, by telephoning the office of the election authority.
*One of the poll workers on election day may challenge your identity. In that case if another voter, known to the pollworkers will swear that you are who you say you are, then you can vote.
these are some of the most uppity people to occupy the White House.
Negroes should know their place, shouldn't they? Why can't they be as folksy as George and Babs were?
At least the Bushes where Americans.
Garage: Even if it had happened a.) I could care less and B.) you would find a way to defend it.
I just supplied the links and a little snark. Wonder if Althouse will update.
What kinda credentials do you have to present in order to vote in Illinois?
A death certificate.
former law student said...
these are some of the most uppity people to occupy the White House.
Negroes should know their place, shouldn't they? Why can't they be as folksy as George and Babs were?
Compared to The Zero, Poppy is Soul Brother Number One.
Even if it had happened a.) I could care less and
How much less could you care? If it's the maximum amount, why didn't you say so in the first place?
garage: Don't hold your breath.
Jim Allen, public information officer at CBE, noted that Fox News and other media outlets had taped Obama’s visit to the polling place and “nothing could be heard.”
He stated that it was Mr. Campbell who “initiated contact with Mrs. Obama not the other way around,” and added, “Electioneering is only punishable if someone is approaching voters, warned to move out of the election zone, and then persists.”
Therefore, if anybody violated the law, it would have been Campbell, the voter who approached the first lady, Allen suggested.
Uh-oh...Campbell is about to get the plumber treatment.
Ig is Bl: I broke out laughing. Thanks.
I lived in Chicago when Harold Washington beat that alcoholic, Jane Byrne. You should have seen the polling places. My precinct captain was @ our house 2-3 times a week, bringing tins of cookies, bottles of wine, etc. On election day he was in the polling place politicking as were others. Yeah..it's wrong, but you have to know Chicago. This is not even small potatoes, it's half a french fry[which our health nut first lady was seen eating]. Lighten up, prof. There are much bigger fish to fry.
According to the Trib:
Obama abided by election laws that prohibit electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place.
Methinks they doth protest too much. They give no context as to what she said, where she said it, or in what other way it may or may not have violated the prohibition on electioneering.
Shouldn't they have mentioned that she abided by laws that prohibit murder too?
Apparently she did know, according to the Trib.
And, NO WAY the Trib would cover for Michele. What's it mean when the MSM can't be trusted? Even the truth(?) can't be trusted.
One of the voters, Anna Roberts, fought back tears after meeting the First Lady.
Barf! Did Michele have really bad onion breath or something?
These people have been working under the premise that the law doesn't apply to them going back to 1960s. After all Martin Luther king told them so.
phil and Mississippi Truck Driving Man:
If you're racist assholes, go away, you're not welcome here.
If you're Mobys, fuck off, you're not welcome here.
And, NO WAY the Trib would cover for Michele. What's it mean when the MSM can't be trusted? Even the truth(?) can't be trusted.
As I linked, the pool report from the Sun-Times didn't contain anything about Michelle being "inside the voting center". Yet, Drudge reported the complete opposite:
According to a pool reporter from the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES at the scene, the conversation took place INSIDE the voting center, not far from the booths.
Epic hackery.
Ignorance is Bliss
the last time I checked your name was not at the top of this Website.
If Althouse has no problem with me being here then you can fuck off yourself.
These guys are definitely mobys of the first water.
Ok we admit it. The commenters here are all racists. Does that satisfy you Mississippi Truck Man? Now beat it or stop with the racist comments.
I find it interesting how quickly Althouse and Drudge seized on the negative Obama story, but how slow they are to disengage when presented with the facts. i guess we like to perpetuate our narratives. At least when Faux News announced the five minute terrorist story this morning, they forgot it almost as quickly.
"phil and Mississippi Truck Driving Man..."
They're the same person. Both names point to the same "unavailable" profile page. L-a-m-e.
roesch-voltaire said...
I find it interesting how quickly Althouse and Drudge seized on the negative Obama story, but how slow they are to disengage when presented with the facts.
What facts to you believe they have been presented with? I have found no account that claims the conversation took place outside the polling place. According to Drudge, the pool reporter says it happened inside. The pool report does not state this, but maybe Drudge has contacted the reporter directly. And a Chicago elections official has disputed the content of the first lady's statement, saying it was not electioneering. He did not dispute where the conversation took place.
So again, what facts are you referring to?
The more of Michelle Obama the voters see, the better. I'd put her in every polling place in America, the only stipulation being that she continue running her mouth non-stop.
What kinda credentials do you have to present in order to vote in Illinois?
In Chicago its pretty easy to vote early...
and often
Early voting appears to have different rules
I'm sure when she goes back to vote again on election day she'll be more careful about the technicalities.
My first reaction was that she should make a brief mea culpa, apologize and move on. It was a silly, thoughtless thing to do, but the harm was minimal--until she stonewalled the apology. Now a minor blunder is another Let Then Eat Cake moment.
Stupid, Michelle, just stupid.
Can we assume she didn't vote for Rich Whitey?
As scandals go, this falls somewhere below trivial. A few moments of conversation may be a technical violation, but it's worth no more than a stern warning at worst. Continuing in the face of a warning or passing out pamplets are the sort of violations we're really supposed to pursue. My dad was an election worker most of his life, and I did a turn as an election observer, so I take these laws seriously; but I've heard worse "violations" than this in every election line I've ever been in. As long as it's a short, discreet conversation and not active promotion, it's no big deal.
And comparing this to the NBPP case only trivializes the NBPP case.
A lot of people (libertarians especially) complain that we're outlawing way too many things that just shouldn't be the state's business. I think this is one of those.
What no garage, Ritmo or FLS to defend the indefensible again? I'm shocked!
1pbj - it's all very simple. If Laura Bush had done this you fucking libtard would be screaming bloody murder.
"...Maybe the Obamas are feeling the heat. "
They have blisters.
So again, what facts are you referring to?
You at least read the accounts, like I did. I'll concede half the point. But we don't know exactly where she was during the conversation, and whatever she said, from what we know, wasn't breaking any laws. If anyone broke the law, it was what the other guy said who she was talking to! You certainly wouldn't know that if you just read the title of this post.
I'm assuming this happened in Chicago, where the law for politicos is defunct?
Alex,
When was the last time I screamed bloody murder about anything?
And, it wasn't too long ago (maybe two weeks) when I was commenting that I'm waiting for the next George HW from the R party so I can vote for him or her (I'm thinking this will be a possibility in 2024). So, obviously, I wouldn't have a problem w/ Barbara chit chatting after voting.
P.S.
I just remembered, you're a moby, right? If so, the joke's on me (far from the first time) for taking you seriously.
Allah is not too impressed with this story either.
Shoemaker.."Brevity is the soul of wit."
Do you get paid by the word for your inane comments? Hell, even when I agree w/ you I can't stand reading your horseshit.
My own personal troll! How cute!
If anyone broke the law, it was what the other guy said who she was talking to! You certainly wouldn't know that if you just read the title of this post.
Nor would you know that if you actually read the reports, since only one person in one report said that, while the statement attributed to her in other reports would appear to be a violation on her part.
This is a trivial matter. I don't know if she did or did not break the law, and even if she did the correct response is a polite warning.
"I just remembered, you're a moby, right? If so, the joke's on me (far from the first time) for taking you seriously."
1jpb, Alex is just a boring troll, not really a Moby. I think it amuses him/her that he/she can post hyperbolic comments taking completely opposite positions in the same thread and almost no one notices the little game. But the reason that people don't notice that he/she changes positions all the time is that his/her comments are so boring and stupid that most people don't notice them at all.
Palladian,
I never saw you comment over there (but you did seem to like fussing w/ him here), so I'm quite sure that you don't care, but I'll mention that ZPS's blog is alive anyway.
He seems jaded, or, more accurately, more jaded.
And, did you catch that your fellow NYer Trooper has some Blue Label wasting away because he doesn't care for the stuff (he's a wine man, heh)? I'd start angling for an invite to his place.
Well, I hate to remind you again, Ms. Althouse, that you voted for these empty-suits from Harvard Law School ... actually, I think you did it BECAUSE they are from Harvard Law School ... how are you going to vote next month?
When I was in high school, I planned on getting an MBA. I was under the impression that the elite exposure in Ivy League would teach me how to be (basically) a successful financial criminal - and how to keep it just this side of legal.
It was pure instinct at that point since my family was professional, but naively so - not super-connected, but I was correct in the long run. Derivatives and the financial shenanigans Jon Stewart castigated Mad Money Guy for were exactly what I had in mind in my half-formed, semi-clueless, pubescent way.
I suppose it's cynical, but even as a kid, I couldn't imagine anything else being the point of an Ivy League education.
Unfortunately, my truth-oriented, engineering-derived genetic code came back to bite me on the ass big time and I have failed to fully live up to my supersmart, skeevy exploiter of the weak-minded youthful ideals.
1jpb, Alex is just a boring troll, not really a Moby. I think it amuses him/her that he/she can post hyperbolic comments taking completely opposite positions in the same thread and almost no one notices the little game. But the reason that people don't notice that he/she changes positions all the time is that his/her comments are so boring and stupid that most people don't notice them at all.
Hey I love playing both sides against each other. It's far more FUN that way. Life is just too boring otherwise.
Not to mention the Catholicism - which even though my parents abandoned it by the time I was five, shows every sign of having invaded my DNA permanently.
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