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August 25, 2006
It's a new Bloggingheads, with me and Matthew Yglesias!
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Further proof that bloggers should be read (if even that) and not seen or heard.
d I ordinarily strongly agree with you, but bloggingheads (and anything not involving a blogger monologue) is quite bearable.
I smell Rose Mary Woods. 18 minute gap? Yeah, right.
Daryl: Thanks. I didn't know that quote. I wish I had.
D: I think we already know that d is no fan of the blog either.
Matthew Iglesias - ooh er.
IMO Not-funny, not-insightful, self-righteous, whiny... I only made it half way through the Vlog.
Ann - please don't go on with this guy again!
Comment Dude: Thanks. Sorry about the misspelling. I blame high school Spanish.
Justin: I did accept Darryl's 'You didn't mention in your plane discussion that this was precipitated by a passenger hearing one of the men say this was the last 30 minutes of their life" (not his humorous restatement of it). I'm just trying to get the facts right, not look for confirmation of a world view or whatever. Watch the show to get a sense of my attitude about this.
Anyway, here's a recent BBC article giving some more background, and it indicates that the two guys may have been trying to scare people to have some fun:
Mr Zeb said he believed the scare was sparked by an elderly woman who had been sitting next to them on the plane.
She had asked them some questions, and then got up and walked to the cockpit, he said....
Amanda Dunleavy from Bolton, who was on the flight, said the pair aroused suspicion because of the way they acted when they were queuing.
She said: "They queued up for a good 40 or 50 minutes and then wandered off. They kept coming back, standing very, very close to people, intimidating them.
"The minute they got on [the plane] they started going under the seats and messing.
"When people began to take notice - and one young girl was really upset, crying - they just sat there laughing."
This doesn't say what they said to the "elderly women."
I don't think that I'd realized that Matt Yglesias is actually a teenager. Maybe it's the medium - Ann looks twenty years younger than she is, so maybe Yglesias is actually in his mid-thirties, but he sure doesn't look it here.
On the other hand, I LOVE his panda analogy for pluto! That's genius - topmarks, Yglesias.
even a nice old lady
How do you know she was nice? There was an old lady, but you're stacking the deck a bit to declare her "nice" without having seen or heard her. You're assuming everyone involved is a character out of Frank Capra.
You cite the number of responding passengers as evidence these guys must have been acting as terrorists. Haven't you ever seen a mob reaction? Doesn't fear inspire panic in people, and can't panic spread?
I don't know that they overreacted, but I do know the stories I've read don't provide enough evidence to assume they didn't.
Yglesias is in his mid twenties.
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