Said Donald Trump, in what I nominate as his most iconic statement.
He said it on January 9, 2018, and I ran across it this morning because I was reading a 2018 post of mine — "How Trump 'took the heat' for all of them: The 'shithole' timeline.'" Lately, some people have been harking back to the much better remembered Trump quote: "Why is it we only take people from shithole countries?" That's what got me there.
Trump's "I like heat" statement was made in a conversation about comprehensive immigration reform. Imagine if we'd gotten that in 2018! He wanted it, ostensibly. He tried to bring members of Congress together and offered to "take all the heat." But we didn't get that reform, and look what happened.
Outside of that context, it's a good quote for general Trump purposes, don't you think?
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A reminder that early in Trump’s first term he called for Democrats and Republicans to meet with him to develop immigration reform and ‘everything is on the table’. He was ignored by all sides…
Yes just look what happened since. Like our famous sinkholes in Florida the DFL in Minnesota find themselves over a quickly growing shithole of their own making.
Me, “ E.g. CNN’s Poppy Harlow just now, “Isn’t it ironic that we are talking about whether Trump is a racist today?”
1/15/18, 7:17 AM”
Poppy is gone (I think), but the racism charge will never go away.
Eileen Higgins just became the first Democrat elected mayor of Miami in nearly 30 years.
Not only do I agree that it's his most iconic statement and perfectly defines his drive, I also believe it differentiates him from all other politicians and parties. He's the "Un-uniparty" leader.
I've said before that he is a genuine epic figure, not just for our time but throughout history. Like Leonidas of Sparta, he's not afraid to face the invading hordes alone in order to protect his country. And he's also not afraid of the hordes of domestic enemies who keep trying to destroy him precisely because he is stopping them from destroying this country.
’Why is it we only take people from shithole countries?’
I can’t remember the source, but someone suggested our immigration policy should reflect whether a typical American would emigrate to that country. England, France, Spain? Sure. Somalia, India, Yemen? Nope.
Shitholes gotta shit.
The “Trump is a big dummy who don’t know nothing and has bad taste” thing is dying out. The tech titans are slowly coming over to his side, Musk, Andreesson, Diamandis, even Pinchai. They’re jumping on board for deregulation and clearing the path for the AI/robotics revolution. I predict that by the end of his term, Trump will win just about everybody over with competence and good, common sense policy.
The real people who run this country can easily wait out Trump. He'll spend the last two years of his Presidency mired in impeachment hearings and trying to avoid being shot in the head again by the real people who run this country.
Total votes cast in Miami: 37,230. In the 2024 general election, while Trump won Miami-Dade county, Harris won the City of Miami. What other profound news do you have for us this morning, Kak?
I don’t understand how the Republican candidate for Miami mayor could have possibly lost when he was endorsed by Donald Trump, Ron Desantis, Rick Scott and Ted Cruz.
Rigged of course. He can still win if Mike Pence has the courage.
Kak goes full desperation and tries to change the subject. Yeah, Kak, that’s about all you’ve got.
Ferris: Cameron, it's my fault. I'll take the heat. We'll wait for your father to come home, and when he gets here, I'll tell him that I did it. He hates me anyway!
Cameron: No. I'll take it. No, I'll take it!
Ferris: No! No, you don't want this much heat!
Cameron: I want it! If I didn't want it, I wouldn't have let you take the car out this morning.
Trump is the Pied Piper of the Age of Abundance.
They wanted 20 million more illegals in the country and the Court obliged
They wanted cities to burn and collapse into chaos and they did
WTF does one expect? The osmotic pressure from a shithole to the US is way higher than from countries that use bidets.
Damn good President.
"Why is it we only take people from shithole countries?"
Still no answer nearly seven year later.
Ann, that’s quite a bit of turd-polishing, don’t you think?
The invitation to imagine Trump as the grown-up in the room doesn’t quite pass the smell test. His public positions on immigration in that period were anything but consistently “comprehensive” or bipartisan. They swung between hardline demands and occasional negotiations—and the “shithole countries” remark didn’t just happen in the middle of those talks, it helped blow them up.
Many analysts at the time argued that Trump himself torpedoed the deal. Turning that moment into proof of his noble desire for reform feels less like analysis and more like retroactive mythmaking.
One can almost taste the Big Mac here.
We only take people from shithole countries because the uniparty wants cheap labor and a color revolution.
Like Trump had a choice about 'taking heat'. He took it from both sides.
Miami turnout for mayoral vote, less than 8%. Midterms are going to be all about getting out the vote - and making sure the votes are real ones. Cheating successfully will count for a lot, in low turnout areas.
Ronald J. Ward said...
Ann, that’s quite a bit of turd-polishing, don’t you think?
You brought in foreign soldiers.
You took money from Americans and gave it to them.
You danced in the streets with them burning American flags.
You help them attack ICE and our Soldiers.
You defend them when they kill National Guard soldiers.
Turds will at least fertilize the ground somewhere.
You are a traitor.
Trump wants emigration reform in order to mitigate progress and collateral damage.
Trump wants to force climate change in order to mitigate environmental corruption and energy deficits.
He said it on January 9, 2018, and I ran across it this morning because I was reading a 2018 post of mine — "How Trump 'took the heat' for all of them: The 'shithole' timeline.'"
Coincidentally, Trump revisited this history last night in his prime time speech from Pennsylvania.
Even Trump seems to miss that in many cases it's the immigrants themselves who denigrate their home countries. A refugee claim essentially asserts that one's country of origin is too much of a hellhole for me to return.
Trump wants boys and girls to dance together and have a gay old time.
He moved the Overton window on immigration by saying the quiet part out loud. Kudos.
In 2028 Democrats are going to be wishing they had Trump back.
The only way Vance wins the primary is if he moves way harder towards MAGA.
There are candidates out there ready to say fuck NATO screw sending money to all these other countries deport all 40 million illegals NOW start executing the traitors and start throwing oligarchs in jail.
Trump is realizing his half-assery isn't cutting it.
Well it cant be done look at all the minefields they have set up
Great!
Now, just to review; quoting Althouse who was quoting the New York Times:
January 14: Various persons from the January 11th meeting say different things about what Trump really said and whether they could "recollect" anything specific, and then Trump himself spoke up. NYT:
After three days of denunciations from around the world, President Trump declared that he is “not a racist”.... Mr. Trump also insisted that he had not made the inflammatory comments in a White House meeting on Thursday.... “I’m not a racist,” Mr. Trump said... “I am the least racist person you have ever interviewed, that I can tell you.”...
Trump was backed up by 2 other Senators who'd been in the room:
“I didn’t hear that word either,” [Tom] Cotton said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “And I was sitting no further away from Donald Trump than Dick Durbin was.” Mr. Cotton said Mr. Durbin “has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings,” an assertion that [David] Perdue made in his own interview Sunday morning on ABC’s “This Week.”
So now we know, per Trump last night, that he and Cotton and Graham were lying when they denied and/or fouled off the obviously accurate truth that Trump had used the phrase "shithole countries."
But Presidential lies in the Trump era are a dime a dozen. Trump lies every day. Big lies, small lies. I actually like the small lies, the ones that are discretely provable/disprovable, because I don't care to debate or even converse with TrumpWorld about big issues. I just want to hunt down Trumpian untruths and disprove them. The smaller and the more undeniable, the better.
And it isn't even much of a big deal to have a handful of spineless TrumpWing Senators humiliate themselves in backing up the Trump lies. That too happens all the time. The "shithole countries" thing was just an unusually humiliating scandal for Tom Cotton. Who is one of the worst liars in Washington. We are seeing it now, with Cotton's pathetic defense of the "second/double tap" Venezuelan boat strike from last September.
So there is all of that, but that wasn't the biggest thing to me then, or now. No; my thing was to see Trump supporters all twisted up about how to respond. What I was saying back in January of 2018, and what I suppose I can now put to bed, was the mass confusion over what the Trump messaging strategy was supposed to be. Was the angle to deny that Trump said it, because it was a terrible thing to say? Or was the real angle to say, "Haha, sure he probably said it and it was the right thing to say. He knows he's speaking for all of us in MAGA, and that is exactly how we feel. They are shithole people from shithole countries..."?
You can look at the Althouse blog comments from 2018. They are just about equally divided. Divided between "Sure, he probably said it, and why shouldn't he say it?", and "More fake news; the media are always lying about Trump and Dick Durbin is the worst of the lying Democrats..."
I just wanted to have fun with that. Drive the wedge between the groups. Ridicule both groups, and try to get them to ridicule each other. Candidly, I don't think it ever much worked because this blog is such a weird mosh pit of Trumpian garbage. But I had fun with it.
And now here we are, almost eight years later and out comes Trump, making a spectacular liar out of himself and everyone who supported him at the time.
It’s my contention that Democrats had many opportunities to make legal immigration much easier. About the only constituency group that would have given them pushback would have been unions. The real problem is that once legalized they’re free to choose the political party that best serves them as citizens. And that isn’t necessarily Democrats.
Dear Ronald J. Ward;
I just learned this morning that a number of Althouse blog commenters think that you and I are the same person. I have stayed away from the Althouse blog for several years after earning myself a number of vague threats from the Trumpist maniacs that Althouse has attracted. Before this morning, I confess to having never even hear the name "Ronald J. Ward." Best wishes to you, whoever you are. I've had my fun with "shithole countries" (read the old comments for some vintage Althouse enjoyment), and after this I expect to vanish from these pages for several more years.
The fact that Althouse's disreputable blog commenters would dream up that kind of crazy conspracy theory doesn't surprise me. What surprises me considerably is that apparently Althouse and Meade are buying into it as well. The simple fact that they don't have the technology to figure out that you and I diferent, unrelated Blogspot.com users really does surprise me. But I guess that is the sort of basement-operation that Althouse Enterprises are. And with Meade's online obsessions in particular, almost nothing surprises me.
Happy holidays whoever you are, Ronald J. Ward.
Yeah, Trump wanted a "Grand deal" on amnesty and immigration in 2018. But he didn't realize the D's real object. Open borders. No immigration enforcement and illegals voting and getting welfare. They had no intention of giving a Goddamn inch.
Why should they? They knew they just had to wait Trump out.
“ and after this I expect to vanish from these pages for several more years.”
LOL. Such a turd tard is Chuck J Ward.
Ronald J. Ward said…
“Happy holidays whoever you are, Chuck.”
What a tool. You fucked up. Own it.
I can't stop laughing.
Libs are delusional and one part of being delusional is writing comments to yourself.
Chuck was never that smart.
Proof AI has limits.
So the Dems have their hair on fire over ICE when they had a chance to give the folks being deported (where the only crime is immigration related) amnesty during Trump's first term? Add in Biden's open borders position that made the existing illegal aliens more problematic and maybe the Dems should address the ICE issue by screaming in the mirror. Because YOU made this happen.
Still laughing.
This is a crucial aspect of the essential genius of Trump. Which many of us need to learn and practice. Namely the art nay the virtue of not giving a f--k.
How much of the social and cultural power wielded by liberals and the left in general comes down to "because they yell, call us names, insult us, make noise, we capitulate". How much of their power disappears the moment we say "I really don't care, Margaret".
US to require social media disclosure for visa-waiver requests ~ NYT
Haven’t heard JD Vance criticize Europe for limiting free speech much recently 🧐
The ghost of 2018 returns to shit on the blog. I remember it well. I was happy Trump said it. We don't NEED shithole country immigrants who wish to continue shithole living on our shores. We need immigrants who want to build American lives of productivity and prosperity. That's actually what the law demands.
But Democrats just waive or fail to enforce laws they don't like so they can give away American treasure to foreigner grifters like Omar and her family. They WANT more grifters on welfare. And that presents the natural division of two sides: they quote Emma Lazarus and say it trumps the Constitution. We quote the Constitution and say "Just enforce the law!"
Can we in fact correct course and stop the europafication of the USA?
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