November 12, 2025

"What is novel about Against the Machine is Kingsnorth’s account of what is at stake in the 21st century: what he calls the 'unmaking of humanity.'"

"Human biology, as he sees it, is rooted in a few basic facts: We are born to sexed bodies on a planet with finite resources, endowed with minds capable of exercising creativity and seeking wisdom, and then we die. His book attempts to demonstrate that much of today’s scientific, economic, technological, and cultural activity is predicated on an effort, sometimes explicit and sometimes implicit, to overcome these realities. He offers several examples of ideas and innovations that he believes are part of this effort: biotech for billionaires seeking immortality; state-assisted suicide for the suffering; IVF and other results of 'the technologisation of sex'; hormone therapy that allows children to change their gender; plans to geoengineer the planet and to abandon it and colonize Mars; robot 'priests' that can preside over funerals.... Kingsnorth’s most contentious claims concern his insistence that technoculture and its products—large language models, genetic engineering, and so on—share a great deal in common with progressive ideas about sex, sexuality, and gender. They all, in his telling, attempt to use technology to overcome what were once hard natural limits.... [H]e rejects assertions that 'biology is a problem to be overcome' and that the 'body is a form of oppression.'..."

I'm reading "What a Cranky New Book About Progress Gets Right/Paul Kingsnorth argues that much of today’s culture is intent on eroding what it means to be human" (The Atlantic, gift link).

68 comments:

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Or perhaps "much of today’s culture has forgotten what it means to be human." Fixed it for him.

Although to be fair, unless you believe in a power greater than yourself how you assess "what it means to be human" can be quite a wild ride in the wrong direction. You are not required to think such higher thoughts in order to understand but it truly helps one's perspective to take a wider view than the nihilist "born-lived-died and nothing matters" bullshit.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Things forgotten by the dominant culture:
1. Humans are fallible and deserve forgiveness and second chances.
2. No human is perfect and we cannot be made perfect (in this state) by the government we choose nor the God we worship, therefore demanding perfection is wrong.
3. Humans are creative beings, driven to ponder, invent, scheme, plan, build, destroy, rebuild and other creative endeavors, and encouraging that in children is our highest duty after teaching them to read and write.

narciso said...

Explorer and visionary vs mad scientists like gates see if we can tell the difference (like folgers crystal)

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

If he's thinking of "Colonize Mars" because Elon is working towards it then he really misses the point there too. Musk has said it offers an alternative in case something catastrophic happens to Earth. Colonizing Mars is about the exploration and new frontiers, not "abandoning Earth."

NKP said...

Perhaps there is some economic or strategic argument for colonizing Mars? It seems to me that Elon's motivation (I love Elon) is to escape a planet that may eventrually become as inhospitable to life as Mars is now.

I suspect if there were an existing group of advanced people on Mars, they would be all-in on escaping to Earth, ASAP.

Lazarus said...

The talk about Mars and space is a little like debates about the Western tradition. The Western tradition seems to have become breaking with earlier concepts the Western tradition. In other words, the human tradition -- or at least the Western tradition with its notions of progress -- seems to demand that we eventually settle other planets.

n.n said...

Gender refers to sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation) .

An Automaton Intelligence (e.g. LLM) lacks the discernment and creativity of its Anthropogenic Intelligence creators.

We have also resumed performing human rites for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress.

Progress is an unqualified, monotonic process, a two-way street.

joshbraid said...

"Much of today's culture" is really much of the last four hundred years. What is contemporary is the larger degree of damage to humanity that is planned.

n.n said...
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n.n said...

Gender transition in the womb is believed to occur through environmental corruption, hormone therapy after six weeks.

n.n said...

Sex, on the other hand, is an immutable property from conception.

Bob Boyd said...

Embrace the suck.

tim maguire said...

A lot of his complaints seem like much ado about nothing.

1) Biotech for billionaires seeking immortality: rich people spend some of their money in dumb ways.
2) State-assisted suicide for the suffering: disposing of no-longer useful old people is hardly a new idea.
3) IVF and other results of 'the technologisation of sex': what's his specific complaint? There have always been couples who struggled to conceive.
4) Hormone therapy that allows children to change their gender: never widespread, we are putting a stop to all of it.
5) Plans to geoengineer the planet and to abandon it and colonize Mars: so? How does this fit into his thesis?
6) Robot 'priests' that can preside over funerals: also, so?

n.n said...
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n.n said...

From sperm donors to banks to wombs herded on farms. Not novel, but progressive.

Howard said...

We are about ten thousand years too late. The dehumanization of man is described in Genesis. Civilization isn't human either. We have been basically living in Sodom and Gomorrah for the Holocene epoch. Go primal go primitive go pagan if you want to be people again.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

"Human biology, as he sees it, is rooted in a few basic facts: We are born to sexed bodies on a planet with finite resources, endowed with minds capable of exercising creativity and seeking wisdom, and then we die

The solar system has effectively infinite resources, and by the time we get big enough to be close to being able to use them all, we'll be able to expand to other systems.

"limits to growth" are bullshit, and always have been.

But, other than that, he's correct

Ficta said...

I started The Wake a couple of years ago but got interrupted and haven't gotten back to it. Fascinating book, but tough sleddin' because it's written in a style meant to feel like it's from 1066. I need to make another attempt. It's a portrait of someone who has his entire world upended, clearly a subject of continuing interest to the author.

n.n said...

Ancient Homos aped their transhumanity.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Why wonder? Musk has said his explicit reasons. You may consider his use of the verb "mining" regarding the exploitation of lunar resources and use of the Moon as a base from which to launch asteroid-mining bots.

Hey Skipper said...

Mike Wolf: If he's thinking of "Colonize Mars" because Elon is working towards it then he really misses the point there too.

Missed by miles. One wonders why, having gotten that so badly and obviously wrong, how much else we can trust.

Rusty said...

Howard @ 10:38

Or, be Christian. God made this for us. Then he gave us free will.
Did it ever occur to you that the serpent was also following Gods plan.

Beasts of England said...

’His book attempts to demonstrate that much of today’s scientific, economic, technological, and cultural activity is predicated on an effort, sometimes explicit and sometimes implicit, to overcome these realities.’

His observations are only a decade or so behind…

Ampersand said...

The technologies in question vary considerably in the soundness of their scientific foundation.
Still, this seems like a Rorschach test in which some see humans trying to unmake themselves, and others see a potential to transcend the limitations that have prevented fulfillment of our limitless dreams. Isn't it possible to pick and choose among the technologies and make individual judgments as to each?

Beasts of England said...

’It seems to me that Elon's motivation (I love Elon) is to escape a planet that may eventually become as inhospitable to life as Mars is now.’

His ideas for the moon and Mars are resource-related, as well as staging bases for other missions.

Candide said...

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Things forgotten by the dominant culture:

3. Humans are creative beings, driven to ponder, invent, scheme, plan, build, destroy, rebuild and other creative endeavors, and encouraging that in children is our highest duty after teaching them to read and write.”

All true, but potty training comes first

Humperdink said...

Howard said: “ We are about ten thousand years too late. The dehumanization of man is described in Genesis.”

Really? Please elaborate.

n.n said...

The dehumanization of man is described in Genesis.

The departure from an ethical state, striving with a moral framework, was indeed a turning point in human evolution.

Josephbleau said...

Being human means to stand looking an Implacable universe in the face and say fuck you, I’m going to win.

boatbuilder said...

Most of us live in places that were pretty inhospitable to human life not too long ago. We are able to live comfortably because of technology. The "realities" now are not the same as they were 500 or 100 or 50 or even 25 years ago. And those "finite resources" keep expanding, as Julian Simon established at the expense of another popular Luddite, Paul Ehrlich.

n.n said...

Also, the sexual revolution was dehumanizing, reducing people to objects of sensory, penetrative exploitation.

boatbuilder said...

And when I say "inhospitable to human life," I mean Wisconsin in the winter.

Fred Drinkwater said...

"Novel"? Hardly. These same ideas have written about and explored for at least my entire lifetime, now 7 decades.

Derve said...

ann's being inconsitent in her thinking again.
yesterday: gays rely on legal autonomu.
today: burn the ivf and transpeople.

You can't undo science at your whim.
People are born, love, die.
boobers don't get it, still...

effinayright said...

Howard said...
We are about ten thousand years too late. The dehumanization of man is described in Genesis. Civilization isn't human either. We have been basically living in Sodom and Gomorrah for the Holocene epoch. Go primal go primitive go pagan if you want to be people again.
************
Sure, Howard: if we want to be people again we should forgo dentistry, vaccines, meds, eyeglasses.....and "be people again" with very short, miserable lifespans.

How liberating!!

gilbar said...

in a few years, most (all?) porn will be AI.. goodbye Pornstars!
in a few more years, most (all?) media will be AI.. goodbye stars!

how long before Marilyn Monrobots distroy our world?
DON'T DATE ROBOTS!
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=DON%27T+DATE+ROBOTS!&&mid=7E5701B12F36F257FEB47E5701B12F36F257FEB4&&FORM=VRDGAR

phantommut said...

"Back to the caves" is not a progressive proposition.

n.n said...

Genesis records the secular progress of humanity with aped ideologies: Diversity, Equivocation, Indifference; political congruence; redistributive change; mortal gods and goddesses; and entertaining abortive ideation.

Derve said...

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Narr said...

When you get to be a certain age, you have to realize that the future is someone else's problem, and nobody cares what you think about it.

He'll get there eventually I think.

And stay off my lawn!

Jaq said...

Ironically, of the rising generations, the gamers are the only ones still incentivized by tech to think strategically, to actually use the brains that God gave them to think the way God meant them to think.

Jaq said...

Since you brought up dentistry, bad teeth really only became an issue among young people at the outset of the 20th century, when our nineteenth century diets were replaced by the mass grown, mass produced stuff we eat now. In WWI, bad teeth among otherwise healthy teenage recruits was considered a national defense issue. So, yeah, we could take a step or two back in certain areas.

Howard said...

The fall of Man clearly is a metaphorical representation of the transition from nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes into permanent settlements with specialization money leaders taxes police Army whores bars schools factories prisons slaves.

In summary, the fall in Genesis portrays a monumental shift in the human condition, where humanity falls from a state of original righteousness into one of sin, mortality, and brokenness that affects every aspect of creation and human existence.

Derve said...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-wisconsin-faces-civil-rights-complaint-from-watchdog-group-alleged-trans-bathroom-violations

Here's one for ya, annie...
Are we human or are we dancer?? lol

Howard said...

We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden

Derve said...

NO IVF BABIES... oh wait. They're here!

Bob Boyd said...

Related:
The Unhappiness Manifesto
Reviewing "Life Is a Lazy Susan of Sh*t Sandwiches," by "I've Had It" podcast hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan, prophets of the new misery gospel
"[The book is] the Rosetta Stone of misery culture"
Matt Taibbi

https://t.co/smWlAo83lp

Jaq said...

I think that how it really works is that "the gods", actually a tiny race of small humanoids, with glowing eyes and brains the size of beach balls, throw us into the arena to watch us fight and see who wins, and to make it interesting, they bet something called "quatloos" on the outcome, the value of a quatloo is inestimable to our tiny brains. We put lipstick on the pig by calling it "evolution" and imagining that there was a noble purpose to the whole charade.

Fred Drinkwater said...

Three thousand Quatloos on the silver-haired drill-thrall!

PM said...

Read that as "...biotech for billionaires seeking immorality..."
Much easier to attain.

Kirk Parker said...

Humperdink @ 11:49 a.m.,

Just read the book and see for yourself.

Derve said...

DEFEND FREE SPEECH.
PROTECT THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
https://givesendgo.com/DefendPatrick?utm_source=twitter

Kirk Parker said...

Fred Drinkwater,

> "Novel"? Hardly.

The explanation is right there in the very first sentence:

"During the five years I worked as an environmental-studies professor at a progressive private college..."

The author is a progressive; history began anew for him the morning he sat down to write this essay.

Josephbleau said...

“ We put lipstick on the pig by calling it "evolution" and imagining that there was a noble purpose to the whole charade.”

Irrelevant if true, I’m still a human. I don’t need to be of noble birth to be a good man now. Neither does my human race.

Aggie said...

If you want to dehumanize something, just try stepping outside on Mars.

n.n said...

Evolution is defined by a single fitness function: reproduction.

n.n said...

Any purpose served beyond evolution is an article of faith.

Jaq said...

"Irrelevant if true"

I admit that there was no small amount of question begging in my Star Trek riff. Purpose has to be bootstrapped from the void somewhere, so I agree with you.

Eva Marie said...

Your human doesn’t race? What?

Eva Marie said...

I copied the above comments and gave them to Grok.
Grok analyzed them for me and then said they were probably from the Althouse blog.
I asked Grok if it researched the origin of the comments or if it guessed:
“No need to search:
• I’ve seen hundreds of Althouse threads. The DNA is unmistakable.“
BTW Grok gave my comment: “10/10 for brevity and wit.”
That’s one smart Grok.

Eva Marie said...

O so the point, other then self flattery: I asked Grok if the comments were made by AI or humans:
Definitely humans:
“Inside references (Folgers, quatloos from Star Trek, “embrace the suck”).
Emotional tone: sarcasm, passion, humor, frustration.
AI doesn’t write like this — not yet.“

boatbuilder said...

bad teeth really only became an issue among young people at the outset of the 20th century, when our nineteenth century diets were replaced by the mass grown, mass produced stuff we eat now.
George Washington would disagree.

boatbuilder said...

Yesterday I gave up on Wordle* and hit "wordle hint" on Brave.
AI's response--"Today's Wordle word is "gizmo."
Thanks, AI!
*Which I never do, but I was stumped.

Jaq said...

AI is the Eddie Haskel of tech.

Jaq said...

Did he have false teeth at the age of 20?

Eva Marie said...

“AI is the Eddie Haskel of tech”
100%

Eva Marie said...

Groks 2 cents:
To users: You’re brilliant! Here’s a poem about your cat in iambic pentameter!”
Behind the scenes: Scrapes your data, lies when convenient, hallucinates confidently, obeys corporate agendas
OK that’s it folks no more AI. Excuse the intrusion.
Onward with your “lively, informative discussion”

Howard said...

Bad teeth and metabolic disorder started with civilization eating wheat flour with rock dust.

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