Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
I asked Grok to write an answer for Spanberger and got: "I would hug my daughter tight, wipe away her tears, and tell her I love her no matter what. Then I'd explain that everyone deserves to feel safe and respected at school, including transgender kids who are just trying to be themselves. We'd work with the school to make sure there are options like private changing stalls for anyone who needs them, because protecting all our children means building a community where no one is left out or made to feel ashamed."
I was surprised by "I would... tell her I love her no matter what." I think that implies that the mother's first thought is, Oh, no, my daughter is transphobic!
ADDED: Here's the whole debate, and I'm pinpointing the beginning of the locker room talk:
That's so annoying. Spanberger keeps repeating her only talking point: Let local schools decide. And Earle-Sears keeps interrupting. The moderator pointedly presses Spanberger to answer the question whether she will rescind Governor Youngkin's order requiring schoolchildren to use the bathroom that fits their biological sex, and she incoherently offers her local-control talking point. Meanwhile, Earle-Sears maximized the opportunity to talk about nude men:
My opponent will not answer the question because she voted for men being nude in girls’ locker rooms, in bathrooms, and in girls’ sports....
I'm distracted thinking about nude men in girls' sports.
Are you going to change in a gym where men are nude in the locker room? Are you going to do that, Abigail?...
You can see in this longer clip that the reason Spanberger kept quiet when Earle-Sears pressured her with "Are you not going to answer" was that Spanberger was avoiding taking any of the questions Earle-Sears was peppering her with throughout the debate. It looks bad in an isolated clip, but Earle-Sears looks bad in the uncut debate, interrupting continually. We'll see how that plays out in social media today. I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward.
I think your implication is because the topic involves transgender. AI really doesn’t understand the concept of gender in any way. It is simply mashing words and concepts together. Grammatically correct but otherwise a mashup.
How hard is it to suggest private changing areas should be available to anyone uncomfortable with undressing in front of others? Schools shouldn’t be prisons anyway.
I don't know if Spanberger gave an answer after the clip, but if it was anything like her tap dancing when the moderator asked her the question, it consisted of a lot of words, but didn't contain much substance.
In a fair world, that clip would have been the end of Spanberger's campaign.
I take issue with “biological boy”. It cedes to much linguistic ground to the enemy. Unless you want to concede that there are such things as “non-biological” boys, just say “boys”. (It’s like surrendering to the term “reverse discrimination”).
"Not answering might mean that Abigail Spanberger is smarter than Michael Dukakis but then again maybe not."
That's kind of what I thought. People respected the Sister Souljah moment because it appeared to take a risk to tell someone or a group of someone's on their own side that they were wrong on an issue. But the Sister Souljah moment only involved saying what someone else had said was wrong and they shouldn't say things like that. Addressing this likely requires taking a policy position on a divisive issue. Even though the Sister Souljah moment only involved saying, "your words were naughty," it was still planned ahead of time. In order to on-the-spot address this issue, which seems to require a policy position that would either alienate a vocal part of her base or be widely unpopular with many other voters, is a very tough needle to thread. Even though her silence looks bad, maybe it was the least bad option, which is sometimes the best outcome one can hope for.
We'd work with the school to make sure there are options like private changing stalls for anyone who needs them.
This doesn't work at all because, as we've seen from a whole host of situations, the whole point of the exercise is the little (or adult) weirdo wants to be in the same space where women and girls are undressing. Trying to put the trannies in their own separate spaces violates the whole 'transwomen are women' claim.
"..I'd explain that everyone deserves to feel safe and respected at school, including transgender kids.."
Then, they said; "what about ME? do *i* deserve to feel safe and respected?"
so i slapped across their face and said: "Of Course NOT! you cis freaks are just front holes! if YOU want respect, go in for HRT and front surgery like a normal trans!"
Trans kids DESERVE to feel safe and be respected.. Cis kids are JUST SHIT. Tell you children that IF they want love and respect.. Get ON those hormones NOW!
What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
The only response that I would consider would be: "Ask me a pertinent question and I will give you a pertinent answer. Irrelevant questions deserve no answer."
"I was surprised by..." That's what makes me think that. And I don't see how rehajm's comment about Spanberger has anything to do with my comment about Grok.
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
Her Congressional district is just south of mine, and I’ve been watching her for years — and contributing to her opponents every two years. The answer to your question, Althouse, is that she isn’t all that bright but covers it up by being a hard core lefty extremist.
"I would... tell her I love her no matter what."
Yeah, I caught that too. Grok doesn’t “get” normal humans, does it?
Sears should not have kept talking. The silence would have been a better campaign clip. But that actually makes me like her more. She cares about the issue and is passionate and not just looking for a sound byte.
"How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male"
In a middle school in Deerfield, Illinois some parents complained that their daughters were forced to share a changing room with a male student. Incident The school denies the allegation. I don't think force requires a gun pointed at someone or a threat of violence. Force can also include a threat or reasonably perceived threat of getting in trouble, especially when dealing with the young, like the 12 year old girls in this story.
"The only response that I would consider would be: "Ask me a pertinent question and I will give you a pertinent answer. Irrelevant questions deserve no answer.""
You may be fine with that answer, but I think to anyone who is worried about males being in private spaces for females that reads like a dodge. Also, to folks who are on the opposite side and wish for trans folks to be able to go wherever they feel most comfortable it may sound waffling and like the person isn't courageous enough to stick up for this particular issue. It may be wind up disappointing the most number of people.
The Left really is going to go down with the trans issue. Their determination that all of us WILL eventually bend to their will is either delusional or frightening.
Isn't Spangerger supposedly one of those mystical moderate, reasonable Democrats I've heard of? It just shows how radical the Democrat party has become.
“Framed as a coward and dummy” or just exposed as one, as exposed as a nude man’s manhood in a girl’s locker room. Back in the days of common sense, that would have been a non-starter.
Trying to put the trannies in their own separate spaces violates the whole 'transwomen are women' claim.
Perhaps the private stalls would be for the girls who object to sharing changing room space with a boy. Class might have to start 20 minutes late and finish 20 minutes early to leave time for the lines the stalls with have.
Locker room talk? Did both women grab themselves by the pussy, or each other?
Spanberger evaded the Jay Jones question repeatedly. Looked worse than if she just said she still endorses him. Sears' interruptions were annoying and distracting. Who told HER that was a good look?
I remember being 12 years old summer between 6th and 7th grade taking a PE class at the new Junior high. After the class showers were required. They called it full strip meaning you had to be absolutely naked in front of all of the other boys. Those of us on the precipice of puberty with no hair down there and a little dinky pinky weenie hiding from the fear having to walk around 15 year old boys strutting their swinging dicks and armpit hair and deep voices.
We were forced to get over ourselves and are puny little concerns about our status in the world.
The moderator pointedly presses Spanberger to answer the question whether she will rescind Governor Youngkin's order requiring schoolchildren to use the bathroom that fits their biological sex, and she incoherently offers her local-control talking point.
Her answer about letting local schools decide implies she will rescind the order. There is nothing for the school to decide if the order remains in place.
I understand the appeal to small government, but 1) schools are not government and 2) should local schools decide other things like what is rape, sexual abuse, nudity, exposure? The fact is schools at all levels have been trying to decide those things and are horrible at it. Government should decide and investigations performed by police not school officials.
No Spanbergrrr is a former CIA operative who worked for a Saudi funded jihad training program after that and then was elected to Congress in the big Spooks-to-Congress push after Trump was elected in 2016 as part of the organized opposition to Trump and she performed as expected. She is not “just a mom.” She is the kind of person who will train jihadis to use automatic weapons but vote to disarm Virginians. She will send her precious children to private schools and force men into girls locker rooms in public schools. She is a lying snake who can’t reveal her actual policy positions but might just be good enough mouthing platitudes that she slithers into office anyway.
My question is why do democrat women insist on dressing like failed candidate Hillary Clinton. And not just a pantsuit but one that mimics the male uniform of navy jacket and slacks with white shirt. Badly mimics it. Her opponent looked professional, mature and feminine. It is possible, Dems.
Simulants in the girls' spaces, faces is a queer conundrum for safe and rare, but is it weird and inevitable? Can they abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too? There are Diverse, diverse precedents.
Why did we suddenly accept this idea that being yourself is being exactly the opposite of what you really are biologically, in other words, factually? You can call it something, but it's precisely not "being yourself".
The fact that she touts herself as a CIA spy is what is embarrassing. If she can’t even dissemble and lie about something like this what would she have done if the kgb was on to her, not exactly Jack Ryan quality is she. But that is her claim to fame, otherwise she is just the union steward of the Virginia government workers beneficial society,
The fact that Spanberger refuses to look at her opponent would be a deal-closer for me. She's a coward. Her answers could have been interpreted as simple rhetorical evasion, but her absolute refusal to look her opponent in the eye when she's being confronted, is cowardice. She's no leader - she's hoping political advice and coaching is going to trick the voters into putting her in office. She'll be a poor choice, because she'll be taking instructions the whole time. A non-political candidate like Winsome-Sears is a better choice, at least she doesn't run scared from a simple debate conversation. She has guiding principles and she stands her ground.
The color spectrum is merging, albinophobia is celebrated in parades, in banners, and rhetoric with pride, gender (e.g. sexual orientation) is a politically congruent construct, but sex and physiology are conceived.
""I was surprised by..." That's what makes me think that..."
Read the whole sentence. I was surprised by one specific detail: "I was surprised by 'I would... tell her I love her no matter what.' I think that implies that the mother's first thought is, Oh, no, my daughter is transphobic!"
And if I say I'm surprised by something, it's incorrect to say "Althouse doesn't notice..." Obviously, I noticed and was surprised.
I was surprised at how GROK answered my prompt, because it contained an unresponsive side issue. If I had a daughter who came home crying in that situation, the first thing I'd say wouldn't be based on an idea that SHE had done something wrong. You can see that Grok is deeply trained in trans-acceptance. It's to the point where is IS surprising because here the text goes out it's way to forefront something irrelevant.
Did you even consider that Earle-Sears was asking the hard questions simply because she knew (of course) that the debate "moderator" would not ask them.
Compare and contrast -- aggressive versus evasive/namby-pamby. Who would you want as the chief executive of your state?
You can see that Grok is deeply trained in trans-acceptance.
Upon a bit of further reflection while walking the dog, the Grok answer is the perfect pander to the AWFLs. It invites them to identify as the "nice" compassionate ones while also subtlety implying that they won't actually have to bear any cost for being 'nice', whether that avoidance is feasible or not. To Mary Beth's comment, we've seen over and over that anybody expressing discontent with the trans-invasion is not going to the be the one accommodated.
Simulants are homosexuals with a heterosexual kink. But what if they are transsocials in a dress transitioning bases with the emphatic approval of his advocates and supporters? #MeTooTwo
What do you tell your daughter when she finishes second in the state championship swim race to a guy? "Too bad, Honey; that's the way it goes. If you don't agree you are a hater. But I love you anyways."
Typically, once Democrats win their party's nomination, they pretend to be moderates. However, things have changed because the Party has drifted well to the Left.
That may be why so many Democrats seem unable to take a simple stand and thus, they sound like morons. They are terrified of their socialist wing. That may be especially true on the East and West Coasts.
Sure, imaginary. Like the imaginary trans assaulting girls in bathrooms that got Youngkin elected in 2021. If she had answered as you suggest it might have cost her the election. Her standing mute was her best strategy. All the Dems will think she believes what they believe what ever side they are on. "
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
I was surprised at how GROK answered my prompt, because it contained an unresponsive side issue.
…now that’s an interesting point. Has Grok been programmed to skirt and deflect, did it learn it from the data it learns from ir, most disturbingly, given the trans guard rails did Grok come up with the deflection all on it’s own. Perhaps sentience is closer than I’d imagined…
Of course she said nothing. She is, after all ,a proud member of the pedophile sexual abuse party. It was the democrats, the joey bidet administration, that "lost" 320,000 children. Lost. The same joey bidet who abused his own children. It's a tell.
The very first trans in schools case that I recall was during the Obama administration, when the justice department sued a suburban Chicago school district for having a separate changing room for a trans student. The Obama DOJ said that trampled that student’s rights. I couldn’t understand —and still don’t— why they started the trans rights movement with schools. But they did. And now Dem candidates can’t say there should be separate changing rooms. Cause that’s against the party dogma
The majority of gender dysphoria is confusion or dissatisfaction with changes in puberty. A minority are genuinely trans (e.g. homosexual). Some are wolves in sheeps' clothing with hopes and dreams of sexual license and others to garner forward-looking profits.
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
Because she's an idiot who is horribly offended at a debate moderator who doesn't let her get away with saying nothing.
Her response to the "will you withdraw your endorsement of Jay Jones for his violent texts" is classic, and may well cost her the election. Her tone of voice when she answers is "total snot". She can't believe that this black woman moderator is actually trying to force her to answer the question, and that comes across, hard.
The same is true here: she's got her lies, and she's not not very smart, has no real experience with having to think on her feet, and so fails, utterly.
Besides, the answer you wanted her to give would force her to take responsibility and admit that she will change teh rules so that naked males are in female locker rooms checking out the naked females.
Leland said... How hard is it to suggest private changing areas should be available to anyone uncomfortable with undressing in front of others? Schools shouldn’t be prisons anyway.
Because once you've done that, the obvious solution is that the "trans" people have to use the private spaces.
And the whole point behind this battle is that the normies must be crushed. The Democrats are on the side of the perverts who want to walk around showing their dicks off, and the other perverts who want to scope out the naked chicks.
Having started from that point, no reasonable accommodation can be tolerated
gadfly said... What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
Because, you pathetic freak, "male" is "person born with a penis". All "trans females" are "males".
Spanberger wants to let ANY male who claims to be "trans female" to go into female private places and whip out his dick to show everyone, while checking out all the vulnerable naked females who aren't allowed to hide from him.
That make it clear enough that even someone as fundamentally stupid as you are can understand?
I have to admit, I’m surprised this is still an issue. My daughters are in their late thirties. By the time they were in high school, physical education class had been reduced to mild leisure activities like archery. The were no gym uniforms, changing clothes or showering. If you went out for a sport, you showered at home after practice or meets. I assumed this had become standard procedure for most schools out of safety and liability concerns.
I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward.
I assure you, Althouse, that Spanberger is a dummy. I live in Virginia and have been watching her for a while. Coward is not surprising for any Democrat.
The arrogance of the white woman - using her democratic party racism to not even look at the black woman.. That stands out to me more than the question itself.
"Grok doesn’t “get” normal humans, does it?" Grok doesn't "get" anything. Grok produces a string of speech tokens that bears a certain kind of resemblance to other strings of speech tokens that it encountered previously.
Winsome has the better point----no matter how she presents it. And Spanbarger knows it, but won't acknowledge that for fear her supporters will desert her. And considering what public schools have become today, Jupiter at 10:18 is correct. I was happy to send my two daughters to the local public schools--forty years ago. Today they would be in private schools and away from the madness of public education.
As a Virginia voter, I am disappointed by this entire election season. The two candidates for governor are the weakest I have seen. I voted for Sears (early voting) but she has not made a good case in public. I found the constant interruptions at the debate irritating, and it turned me off. She could have done a lot better.
Spanberger got elected to congress on the anti-Trump wave, and is still riding it, as it is peaking again in true blue Northern VA. Someone above mentioned that all she had to do was not speak, and she'd be OK. That's largely true. She's CIA, and I do not trust spooks.
Last year, our legislature, now run by democrats, sent several bad gun control measures to the current republican governor, who vetoed them. When (not if) Spanberger gets seated, she will sign them. There is already a bit of successionist talk out here in the woods, and this will inflame it.
One aspect that I found interesting here, is, of the six candidates running for state wide office this term (governor, Lt. Governor, and AG), there is not one straight white man running. The republican candidate for LG is a homosexual.
gadfly (6:46am): “What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone’s daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn’t the question?”
An amazingly ignorant question. It has happened, and the man using the high school girls’ locker room isn’t even a student, he’s a 40-something pervert. Earle-Sears put a picture on her Twitter feed (@winwithwinsome) ~2 hours ago, with this text:
“This ‘woman’ - child predator Richard ‘Riki’ Cox - repeatedly used a girls’ locker room and exposed himself to young girls.
“Abigail Spanberger thinks he has the right to be there.”
As for Kevin’s “It’s never the boys” (7:16am) there was a case, in Virginia, where girls invaded a high school boys’ bathroom, the boys complained, and the boys were punished for complaining.
Bad Grok Answer: "I would slap her in the face, and say 'I'd stop being transphobic young lady'. After explaining that she's being politically incorrect, I would tell her that Transgenders are here to stay, they have a right to be nude in the girls locker room, and they should be thought of as girls with too much testestorone. So missie, buck up, and take a chill pill. "
Groomer gadfly lied: What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
I don't usually speak like this, given the decorum and gracious nature of our hostess' forum, but ...
You are a sick, dishonest, piece of shit gadfly. Go away it happened.
Richard Cox has been in the news since February, and we have now just confirmed the the leftist creeps in the Arlighton School Board enabled him. Go back to your basement and wank to your NAMbLA photos or better still, turn them over to the police so you and your fellow sicko PedoFredo Fredoyomyomsonson can be roomies and molest each other in your federal prison cell.
"We'll see how that plays out in social media today. I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward."
Well.. considering all anyone will see is what their preferred algorithm presents, it will play out like it always does. Whoever one liked before, one will continue to like and vice versa.
In my case, the Democrat appeared to be incompetent.
Please use the comments forum to respond to the post. Don't fight with each other. Be substantive... or interesting... or funny. Comments should go up immediately... unless you're commenting on a post older than 2 days. Then you have to wait for us to moderate you through. It's also possible to get shunted into spam by the machine. We try to keep an eye on that and release the miscaught good stuff. We do delete some comments, but not for viewpoint... for bad faith.
I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for me to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Encourage Althouse by making a donation:
Make a 1-time donation or set up a monthly donation of any amount you choose:
Posts
107 comments:
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
the question answers itself
They’re all brave until someone takes out a hard cock in the ladies locker room
Grok is libtard. Althouse doesn't notice because it's the water she swims in.
I think your implication is because the topic involves transgender. AI really doesn’t understand the concept of gender in any way. It is simply mashing words and concepts together. Grammatically correct but otherwise a mashup.
Not answering might mean that Abigail Spanberger is smarter than Michael Dukakis but then again maybe not.
How hard is it to suggest private changing areas should be available to anyone uncomfortable with undressing in front of others? Schools shouldn’t be prisons anyway.
Libs sacrifice their own kids on the altar of political correctness. Pagans - like the Aztecs - used to do the same thing.
Amazon Prime: Commission earned
Too soon?
I love that stony expression on her face; she's thinking "Shit, I'm stuck ... Oh, thank god the bell rang".
I don't know if Spanberger gave an answer after the clip, but if it was anything like her tap dancing when the moderator asked her the question, it consisted of a lot of words, but didn't contain much substance.
In a fair world, that clip would have been the end of Spanberger's campaign.
"Althouse doesn't notice..."
What makes you think you know what I notice? My failure to get out a sledgehammer and make it obvious?
If something I write makes you think something that you think I haven't said directly is obvious, you should assume I was implying the obvious thing.
"the question answers itself"
And that was my point.
I take issue with “biological boy”. It cedes to much linguistic ground to the enemy. Unless you want to concede that there are such things as “non-biological” boys, just say “boys”.
(It’s like surrendering to the term “reverse discrimination”).
Richard Cox is now ::checks notes:: just trangendered children "being themselves..."
Apparently Grok groks cox!
"Not answering might mean that Abigail Spanberger is smarter than Michael Dukakis but then again maybe not."
That's kind of what I thought. People respected the Sister Souljah moment because it appeared to take a risk to tell someone or a group of someone's on their own side that they were wrong on an issue. But the Sister Souljah moment only involved saying what someone else had said was wrong and they shouldn't say things like that. Addressing this likely requires taking a policy position on a divisive issue. Even though the Sister Souljah moment only involved saying, "your words were naughty," it was still planned ahead of time. In order to on-the-spot address this issue, which seems to require a policy position that would either alienate a vocal part of her base or be widely unpopular with many other voters, is a very tough needle to thread. Even though her silence looks bad, maybe it was the least bad option, which is sometimes the best outcome one can hope for.
You'd think that every Democrat would be familiar with the Kitty Dukakis question and have an answer prepared for it before it is asked.
We'd work with the school to make sure there are options like private changing stalls for anyone who needs them.
This doesn't work at all because, as we've seen from a whole host of situations, the whole point of the exercise is the little (or adult) weirdo wants to be in the same space where women and girls are undressing. Trying to put the trannies in their own separate spaces violates the whole 'transwomen are women' claim.
Probably worse than the Dukakis rape answer. So much for taking care of the vulnerable children!
"..I'd explain that everyone deserves to feel safe and respected at school, including transgender kids.."
Then, they said; "what about ME? do *i* deserve to feel safe and respected?"
so i slapped across their face and said:
"Of Course NOT! you cis freaks are just front holes!
if YOU want respect, go in for HRT and front surgery like a normal trans!"
Trans kids DESERVE to feel safe and be respected..
Cis kids are JUST SHIT. Tell you children that IF they want love and respect.. Get ON those hormones NOW!
What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
The only response that I would consider would be: "Ask me a pertinent question and I will give you a pertinent answer. Irrelevant questions deserve no answer."
"I was surprised by..."
That's what makes me think that.
And I don't see how rehajm's comment about Spanberger has anything to do with my comment about Grok.
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
Her Congressional district is just south of mine, and I’ve been watching her for years — and contributing to her opponents every two years. The answer to your question, Althouse, is that she isn’t all that bright but covers it up by being a hard core lefty extremist.
"I would... tell her I love her no matter what."
Yeah, I caught that too. Grok doesn’t “get” normal humans, does it?
Sears should not have kept talking. The silence would have been a better campaign clip. But that actually makes me like her more. She cares about the issue and is passionate and not just looking for a sound byte.
"How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male"
In a middle school in Deerfield, Illinois some parents complained that their daughters were forced to share a changing room with a male student. Incident The school denies the allegation. I don't think force requires a gun pointed at someone or a threat of violence. Force can also include a threat or reasonably perceived threat of getting in trouble, especially when dealing with the young, like the 12 year old girls in this story.
"The only response that I would consider would be: "Ask me a pertinent question and I will give you a pertinent answer. Irrelevant questions deserve no answer.""
You may be fine with that answer, but I think to anyone who is worried about males being in private spaces for females that reads like a dodge. Also, to folks who are on the opposite side and wish for trans folks to be able to go wherever they feel most comfortable it may sound waffling and like the person isn't courageous enough to stick up for this particular issue. It may be wind up disappointing the most number of people.
It’s never the boys being upset with a naked woman in their locker room.
The Left really is going to go down with the trans issue. Their determination that all of us WILL eventually bend to their will is either delusional or frightening.
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
Because Democrats aren't used to being challenged, and she knows the media will cover for her.
Spanberger and the woman running for Governor of NJ give off strong Martha “Marsha” Coakly vibes.
Isn't Spangerger supposedly one of those mystical moderate, reasonable Democrats I've heard of? It just shows how radical the Democrat party has become.
AMDG at 723. You nailed it. They both might win becuase of the lean of their states, but they are both underperforming as candidates.
As Dave Chappelle would say: Gotcha, Bitch
Why are you afraid of that? She seems to actually be a dummy and a coward, so isn't it a good thing if the public accurately assesses her?
“Framed as a coward and dummy” or just exposed as one, as exposed as a nude man’s manhood in a girl’s locker room. Back in the days of common sense, that would have been a non-starter.
Trying to put the trannies in their own separate spaces violates the whole 'transwomen are women' claim.
Perhaps the private stalls would be for the girls who object to sharing changing room space with a boy. Class might have to start 20 minutes late and finish 20 minutes early to leave time for the lines the stalls with have.
"I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward."
Framed?
Locker room talk? Did both women grab themselves by the pussy, or each other?
Spanberger evaded the Jay Jones question repeatedly. Looked worse than if she just said she still endorses him. Sears' interruptions were annoying and distracting. Who told HER that was a good look?
I remember being 12 years old summer between 6th and 7th grade taking a PE class at the new Junior high. After the class showers were required. They called it full strip meaning you had to be absolutely naked in front of all of the other boys. Those of us on the precipice of puberty with no hair down there and a little dinky pinky weenie hiding from the fear having to walk around 15 year old boys strutting their swinging dicks and armpit hair and deep voices.
We were forced to get over ourselves and are puny little concerns about our status in the world.
The moderator pointedly presses Spanberger to answer the question whether she will rescind Governor Youngkin's order requiring schoolchildren to use the bathroom that fits their biological sex, and she incoherently offers her local-control talking point.
Her answer about letting local schools decide implies she will rescind the order. There is nothing for the school to decide if the order remains in place.
Althouse said…
I'm distracted thinking about nude men in girls' sports.
Meade, time to go in for some role-playing nooky!
All's fair in lust and abortion. Take a knee, girls.
Let local schools decide.
I understand the appeal to small government, but 1) schools are not government and 2) should local schools decide other things like what is rape, sexual abuse, nudity, exposure? The fact is schools at all levels have been trying to decide those things and are horrible at it. Government should decide and investigations performed by police not school officials.
No Spanbergrrr is a former CIA operative who worked for a Saudi funded jihad training program after that and then was elected to Congress in the big Spooks-to-Congress push after Trump was elected in 2016 as part of the organized opposition to Trump and she performed as expected. She is not “just a mom.” She is the kind of person who will train jihadis to use automatic weapons but vote to disarm Virginians. She will send her precious children to private schools and force men into girls locker rooms in public schools. She is a lying snake who can’t reveal her actual policy positions but might just be good enough mouthing platitudes that she slithers into office anyway.
My question is why do democrat women insist on dressing like failed candidate Hillary Clinton. And not just a pantsuit but one that mimics the male uniform of navy jacket and slacks with white shirt. Badly mimics it. Her opponent looked professional, mature and feminine. It is possible, Dems.
“I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward.”
Tranquila, profesora, tranquila.
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself.
Simulants in the girls' spaces, faces is a queer conundrum for safe and rare, but is it weird and inevitable? Can they abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too? There are Diverse, diverse precedents.
Scamburger gotta go!
Her silence is another proof of Fen's Law.
Why did we suddenly accept this idea that being yourself is being exactly the opposite of what you really are biologically, in other words, factually? You can call it something, but it's precisely not "being yourself".
Also, homosexuals in the boys' spaces and faces, but one transgender is, while politically congruent, unlike the other.
The fact that she touts herself as a CIA spy is what is embarrassing. If she can’t even dissemble and lie about something like this what would she have done if the kgb was on to her, not exactly Jack Ryan quality is she. But that is her claim to fame, otherwise she is just the union steward of the Virginia government workers beneficial society,
“We were forced to get over ourselves and are puny little concerns about our status in the world.”
Bully for you, Howard! You short-horned bulls are still “bulls” nonetheless.
The fact that Spanberger refuses to look at her opponent would be a deal-closer for me. She's a coward. Her answers could have been interpreted as simple rhetorical evasion, but her absolute refusal to look her opponent in the eye when she's being confronted, is cowardice. She's no leader - she's hoping political advice and coaching is going to trick the voters into putting her in office. She'll be a poor choice, because she'll be taking instructions the whole time. A non-political candidate like Winsome-Sears is a better choice, at least she doesn't run scared from a simple debate conversation. She has guiding principles and she stands her ground.
Is the local school going to decide if you 7 years old or 15, or just let the kid pick one, and sex is a lot better defined than age.
Did Spanberger answer any of the questions when it was her turn? If not, she's not being "framed" as a dummy and a coward. She is both.
The color spectrum is merging, albinophobia is celebrated in parades, in banners, and rhetoric with pride, gender (e.g. sexual orientation) is a politically congruent construct, but sex and physiology are conceived.
""I was surprised by..." That's what makes me think that..."
Read the whole sentence. I was surprised by one specific detail: "I was surprised by 'I would... tell her I love her no matter what.' I think that implies that the mother's first thought is, Oh, no, my daughter is transphobic!"
And if I say I'm surprised by something, it's incorrect to say "Althouse doesn't notice..." Obviously, I noticed and was surprised.
I was surprised at how GROK answered my prompt, because it contained an unresponsive side issue. If I had a daughter who came home crying in that situation, the first thing I'd say wouldn't be based on an idea that SHE had done something wrong. You can see that Grok is deeply trained in trans-acceptance. It's to the point where is IS surprising because here the text goes out it's way to forefront something irrelevant.
Did you even consider that Earle-Sears was asking the hard questions simply because she knew (of course) that the debate "moderator" would not ask them.
Compare and contrast -- aggressive versus evasive/namby-pamby. Who would you want as the chief executive of your state?
Will Spanberger go along to get along, will she lean in, take a knee, or stand on the science and reject the hive mind? Maybe, baby.
does it matter if dangly person is a hot and a hunk?
Okay, Althouse, I see your point. It's not always easy because political paranoia is the water that I swim in.
You can see that Grok is deeply trained in trans-acceptance.
Upon a bit of further reflection while walking the dog, the Grok answer is the perfect pander to the AWFLs. It invites them to identify as the "nice" compassionate ones while also subtlety implying that they won't actually have to bear any cost for being 'nice', whether that avoidance is feasible or not. To Mary Beth's comment, we've seen over and over that anybody expressing discontent with the trans-invasion is not going to the be the one accommodated.
Simulants are homosexuals with a heterosexual kink. But what if they are transsocials in a dress transitioning bases with the emphatic approval of his advocates and supporters? #MeTooTwo
What do you tell your daughter when she finishes second in the state championship swim race to a guy? "Too bad, Honey; that's the way it goes. If you don't agree you are a hater. But I love you anyways."
Typically, once Democrats win their party's nomination, they pretend to be moderates. However, things have changed because the Party has drifted well to the Left.
That may be why so many Democrats seem unable to take a simple stand and thus, they sound like morons. They are terrified of their socialist wing. That may be especially true on the East and West Coasts.
She says nothing because she can only lose votes by responding. Those in her corner will stay there unless she says something stupid.
Sure, imaginary. Like the imaginary trans assaulting girls in bathrooms that got Youngkin elected in 2021. If she had answered as you suggest it might have cost her the election. Her standing mute was her best strategy. All the Dems will think she believes what they believe what ever side they are on. "
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
I was surprised at how GROK answered my prompt, because it contained an unresponsive side issue.
…now that’s an interesting point. Has Grok been programmed to skirt and deflect, did it learn it from the data it learns from ir, most disturbingly, given the trans guard rails did Grok come up with the deflection all on it’s own. Perhaps sentience is closer than I’d imagined…
Of course she said nothing. She is, after all ,a proud member of the pedophile sexual abuse party. It was the democrats, the joey bidet administration, that "lost" 320,000 children. Lost. The same joey bidet who abused his own children. It's a tell.
pedophile sexual abuse party
No discrimination for sexual orientation. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins
ah yes abigail, an employee of the islamic saudi academy before the company, a feeder farm for hamas recruits,
The very first trans in schools case that I recall was during the Obama administration, when the justice department sued a suburban Chicago school district for having a separate changing room for a trans student. The Obama DOJ said that trampled that student’s rights. I couldn’t understand —and still don’t— why they started the trans rights movement with schools. But they did. And now Dem candidates can’t say there should be separate changing rooms. Cause that’s against the party dogma
Simulants and transsocials in the girls' room are not politically congruent. What is a Democrat to do?
At least homosexuals have the good sense to not stare, lest they feel compelled to groom.
well he put an actual mambla member in a key education department office,
Jesus. Look what we're doing to our kids. No kid at that age is trans. It's all adult projection.
progressives gotta progress
during the Obama administration, when the justice department sued a suburban Chicago school district for having a separate changing room
then it was use the girl's changing rooms
then it was FORCE the other girls to NOT be able to use a separate changing room.
i THINK where they're at Now,
is that a cis girl Can use a separate changing room..
*IF* they state, in Writing, that THEY are mentally ill.
normality == insanity
The majority of gender dysphoria is confusion or dissatisfaction with changes in puberty. A minority are genuinely trans (e.g. homosexual). Some are wolves in sheeps' clothing with hopes and dreams of sexual license and others to garner forward-looking profits.
progressives gotta progress
Unqualified monotonic. Another wicked solution? Certainly a queer choice and weird hope.
Why wasn't the Democrat, Abigail Spanberger, sharp enough to come up with something to say?
Because she's an idiot who is horribly offended at a debate moderator who doesn't let her get away with saying nothing.
Her response to the "will you withdraw your endorsement of Jay Jones for his violent texts" is classic, and may well cost her the election. Her tone of voice when she answers is "total snot". She can't believe that this black woman moderator is actually trying to force her to answer the question, and that comes across, hard.
The same is true here: she's got her lies, and she's not not very smart, has no real experience with having to think on her feet, and so fails, utterly.
Besides, the answer you wanted her to give would force her to take responsibility and admit that she will change teh rules so that naked males are in female locker rooms checking out the naked females.
Leland said...
How hard is it to suggest private changing areas should be available to anyone uncomfortable with undressing in front of others? Schools shouldn’t be prisons anyway.
Because once you've done that, the obvious solution is that the "trans" people have to use the private spaces.
And the whole point behind this battle is that the normies must be crushed. The Democrats are on the side of the perverts who want to walk around showing their dicks off, and the other perverts who want to scope out the naked chicks.
Having started from that point, no reasonable accommodation can be tolerated
gadfly said...
What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
Because, you pathetic freak, "male" is "person born with a penis". All "trans females" are "males".
Spanberger wants to let ANY male who claims to be "trans female" to go into female private places and whip out his dick to show everyone, while checking out all the vulnerable naked females who aren't allowed to hide from him.
That make it clear enough that even someone as fundamentally stupid as you are can understand?
Kevin said...
It’s never the boys being upset with a naked woman in their locker room.
Actually, there have been boys complaining about "trans boys" in their locker rooms. Not a lot, but some
I would pay for an A.I. that responded with "If that ever happens again, Honey, you kick him right in the nuts.
White leftist females are abhorrent to me. (not - not talking all dems)
I have to admit, I’m surprised this is still an issue. My daughters are in their late thirties. By the time they were in high school, physical education class had been reduced to mild leisure activities like archery. The were no gym uniforms, changing clothes or showering. If you went out for a sport, you showered at home after practice or meets. I assumed this had become standard procedure for most schools out of safety and liability concerns.
What a troll Howard.
I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward.
I assure you, Althouse, that Spanberger is a dummy. I live in Virginia and have been watching her for a while. Coward is not surprising for any Democrat.
The arrogance of the white woman - using her democratic party racism to not even look at the black woman..
That stands out to me more than the question itself.
The trans stuff in school - just democratic predators - demanding the sexual abuse of our children. In secret.
The left destroy everything they touch.
Sears has been hammering the transgender issue throughout the campaign and it hasn't moved the needle. Spanberger has no incentive to engage.
even the dhimmi uk has seen through this fraud,
The Corrupt Left assume they OWN power. They are not required to answer your questions.
Scamburger is just another sociopath and she gotta go!
"Grok doesn’t “get” normal humans, does it?"
Grok doesn't "get" anything. Grok produces a string of speech tokens that bears a certain kind of resemblance to other strings of speech tokens that it encountered previously.
And sending your kids to public schools is child abuse by proxy.
Winsome has the better point----no matter how she presents it. And Spanbarger knows it, but won't acknowledge that for fear her supporters will desert her. And considering what public schools have become today, Jupiter at 10:18 is correct. I was happy to send my two daughters to the local public schools--forty years ago. Today they would be in private schools and away from the madness of public education.
Edited from deleted comment above:
As a Virginia voter, I am disappointed by this entire election season. The two candidates for governor are the weakest I have seen. I voted for Sears (early voting) but she has not made a good case in public. I found the constant interruptions at the debate irritating, and it turned me off. She could have done a lot better.
Spanberger got elected to congress on the anti-Trump wave, and is still riding it, as it is peaking again in true blue Northern VA. Someone above mentioned that all she had to do was not speak, and she'd be OK. That's largely true. She's CIA, and I do not trust spooks.
Last year, our legislature, now run by democrats, sent several bad gun control measures to the current republican governor, who vetoed them. When (not if) Spanberger gets seated, she will sign them. There is already a bit of successionist talk out here in the woods, and this will inflame it.
One aspect that I found interesting here, is, of the six candidates running for state wide office this term (governor, Lt. Governor, and AG), there is not one straight white man running. The republican candidate for LG is a homosexual.
I find it really sad Althouse's life has her having more conversations with somebody's program than she ever has with real people
gadfly (6:46am):
“What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone’s daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn’t the question?”
An amazingly ignorant question. It has happened, and the man using the high school girls’ locker room isn’t even a student, he’s a 40-something pervert. Earle-Sears put a picture on her Twitter feed (@winwithwinsome) ~2 hours ago, with this text:
“This ‘woman’ - child predator Richard ‘Riki’ Cox - repeatedly used a girls’ locker room and exposed himself to young girls.
“Abigail Spanberger thinks he has the right to be there.”
Sorry my web access is limited and I can’t do links. If someone wants to do that for me I’d be grateful.
As for Kevin’s “It’s never the boys” (7:16am) there was a case, in Virginia, where girls invaded a high school boys’ bathroom, the boys complained, and the boys were punished for complaining.
Bad Grok Answer: "I would slap her in the face, and say 'I'd stop being transphobic young lady'. After explaining that she's being politically incorrect, I would tell her that Transgenders are here to stay, they have a right to be nude in the girls locker room, and they should be thought of as girls with too much testestorone. So missie, buck up, and take a chill pill. "
Groomer gadfly lied:
What does an imaginary situation have to do with anything? How could anyone's daughter be forced to undress beside a male unless we are discussing Epstein, which wasn't the question?
I don't usually speak like this, given the decorum and gracious nature of our hostess' forum, but ...
You are a sick, dishonest, piece of shit gadfly. Go away it happened.
https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/witness-testifies-in-hearing-for-sex-offender-accused-in-arlington-school-exposure-case-richard-cox-washington-liberty-high-school-wakefield-barcroft-sports-and-fitness-center
Richard Cox has been in the news since February, and we have now just confirmed the the leftist creeps in the Arlighton School Board enabled him. Go back to your basement and wank to your NAMbLA photos or better still, turn them over to the police so you and your fellow sicko PedoFredo Fredoyomyomsonson can be roomies and molest each other in your federal prison cell.
And stay away from our kids.
Go away groomer.
"We'll see how that plays out in social media today. I'm afraid Spanberger will be framed as a dummy and a coward."
Well.. considering all anyone will see is what their preferred algorithm presents, it will play out like it always does. Whoever one liked before, one will continue to like and vice versa.
In my case, the Democrat appeared to be incompetent.
Post a Comment
Please use the comments forum to respond to the post. Don't fight with each other. Be substantive... or interesting... or funny. Comments should go up immediately... unless you're commenting on a post older than 2 days. Then you have to wait for us to moderate you through. It's also possible to get shunted into spam by the machine. We try to keep an eye on that and release the miscaught good stuff. We do delete some comments, but not for viewpoint... for bad faith.