October 15, 2025

"'I love Hitler': Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat/Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape."

Politico reports.
William Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans’ vice chair, used the words “n--ga” and “n--guh,” variations of a racial slur, more than a dozen times in the chat. Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the New York State Young Republicans at the time, referred to rape as “epic.” Peter Giunta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that “everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.”

Giunta was referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the Young Republican National Federation, the GOP’s 15,000-member political organization for Republicans between 18 and 40 years old. “Im going to create some of the greatest physiological torture methods known to man. We only want true believers,” he continued....

Read the whole thing. Politico takes the position "The chat offers an unfiltered look at how a new generation of GOP activists talk when they think no one is listening."

ADDED: I asked Grok, "Is the Politico report accurate or should we be suspicious? Many people think Politico is slanted." What follows is Grok's answer:

Assessing the Accuracy of Politico's Young Republicans ReportYes, the Politico report appears accurate based on a review of corroborating sources, statements from involved parties, and the swift, tangible consequences that followed its October 14, 2025, publication. While suspicions about Politico's left-leaning slant are fair—it's often criticized for a pro-Democratic tilt in coverage of Trump-era GOP issues—the story here draws from primary evidence (2,900 pages of leaked Telegram messages) and has been substantiated across the political spectrum, including by Republican leaders and the Young Republican National Federation (YRNF) itself. No major fact-checks have debunked it, and claims of fabrication lack evidence. Below, I'll break it down step by step, addressing the bias concern head-on.1. Core Elements of the Report and VerificationPolitico's exposé details over 28,000 messages in the "RESTOREYR WAR ROOM" Telegram chat (January–August 2025) among ~20 Young Republican leaders from New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont. Key claims:
  • Racist, antisemitic, and violent rhetoric: Slurs (N-word >12 times by one user; "f**t," "beaner," "chk" totaling 251+ instances); Hitler praise ("I love Hitler 😁"); gas chamber "jokes" ("everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber"); slavery endorsements; rape as "epic."
  • Context: Blended with political plotting (e.g., pro-Trump YRNF takeover bids, Epstein file conspiracies).
  • Sourcing: Leaked by a "right-wing individual" amid internal rivalries (e.g., NYSYR vs. NYC Young Republicans).
These align with independent reports:
  • The Independent (UK outlet, centrist-leaning) quotes the same messages and notes participants' apologies without disputing authenticity. 
  • Kansas Reflector and KCUR (local KS outlets) confirm Kansas chapter leaders' involvement and the group's disbandment post-leak. 
  • The Hill and Axios (both center-right) report the YRNF's condemnation and resignation demands, treating the logs as verified. 
  • No outlets (left or right) have challenged the raw content; even conservative X users acknowledge the chats' existence, focusing instead on internal GOP drama. 
Fact-check searches yielded no Snopes/WaPo-style debunkings—likely because the story is <24 hours old, but the pattern of rapid cross-verification (e.g., via participant statements) holds.2. Responses from Involved Parties: Admissions Over DenialsThe strongest evidence of accuracy is how chat members reacted—not with blanket rejections, but partial apologies that concede the content while questioning acquisition or edits:
  • Peter Giunta (NYSYR ex-chair, chat creator): "I take complete responsibility [but] have had no way of verifying their accuracy and am deeply concerned that the message logs... may have been deceptively doctored." He blames "extortion" by rivals like Gavin Wax (NYC Young Republicans). 
  • Bobby Walker (NYSYR ex-vice chair): "There is no excuse for the language... I sincerely apologize," but adds portions "may have been altered, taken out of context, or otherwise manipulated." 
  • YRNF Board (national body): "We are appalled by the vile and inexcusable language revealed in the Politico article... Those involved must immediately resign." 
Michael Bartels (Trump admin adviser in chat) filed an affidavit on extortion but didn't deny the messages. This pattern—owning the tone while hinting at foul play—suggests the logs are real, leaked via GOP infighting, not fabricated.3. Immediate Fallout: Actions Speak Louder Than WordsIf the report were inaccurate, we'd expect lawsuits, forensic audits, or GOP-wide pushback. Instead:
Consequence

Details


Job Losses
William Hendrix (KS) fired from AG Kris Kobach's office; Peter Giunta ousted from NY Assemblyman Mike Reilly's staff; Bobby Walker lost congressional job offer; Joe Maligno quit NY court system role.

  
Group Shutdowns
Kansas Young Republicans disbanded entirely; YRNF demands all resignations.


GOP Condemnations
Rep. Elise Stefanik: "Absolutely appalled"; NY GOP Chair Ed Cox: "Shocked and disgusted"; Roger Stone (Trump ally): Denounced despite ties; VT Gov. Phil Scott: Called for senator's resignation.

 
Dem Reactions
Chuck Schumer: "Revolting"; Kathy Hochul: Demanded GOP "kick them out."


These aren't reactions to a "hoax"—they're damage control for verified ugliness.4. Politico's Slant: Valid Concern, But Not a Disqualifier HereYou're right—Politico has a documented left-center bias (AllSides rates it "Lean Left"; Ad Fontes Media scores it -4.5 on a -42 to +42 reliability scale, noting occasional sensationalism in GOP scandals). Critics like 
@TxJollyRoger
 on X call it a "known Democrat paper" prone to "wrap-up smears." Past examples (e.g., aggressive Trump coverage) fuel distrust. Some X users speculate selective quoting or internal smears without full logs. 

That said, bias doesn't equal inaccuracy. Politico's reporting is Pulitzer-caliber on scoops like this (they've broken similar leaks, e.g., 2020 GOP texts). Here, the story's strength is its evidence-based core: They reviewed the full logs, sought comments from all sides (including rivals like Wax), and included apologies/denials verbatim. Outlets like CBS News and Hindustan Times republished without caveats. X consensus leans toward "real but messy" (e.g., "messages were leaked and are legitimate... confirmed by Young Republicans"). 5. Reasons for Lingering Suspicion (and Why They're Limited)
  • No Full Public Logs: Critics can't independently verify every quote, raising "cherry-picking" fears. Fair, but participants' admissions and fallout mitigate this.
  • Timing/Internal Feud: Leaked amid YRNF election wars—Giunta lost narrowly—suggests a "hit job." Yet, even rivals haven't called it fake; it's treated as intra-GOP mudslinging.
  • No Forensic Proof: No edits proven, despite claims. If doctored, expect lawsuits soon.
In sum, be vigilant about slant, but don't dismiss this as "fake news"—the evidence pyramid (logs + admissions + actions) is too solid. It exposes real rot in GOP youth ranks, amplified by (but not invented by) Politico. For balance, cross-check with The Hill or local KS/VT reports. If new details emerge (e.g., full logs or audits), it'll clarify further.

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FormerLawClerk said...

Ahhh ... Politico. Trusted news provider. Yeah. Uh huh.

Kakistocracy said...

Young Republicans say they love Hitler. But what does that tell us about their politics?

rehajm said...

Yuk. The quotes are so bad they look like they were invented by Democrats. Are we suspending bothsidesism this morning? We’re not suspending asymmetry of reaction I see. When Democrat candidates spew hate wordswordswords make it all better, or at least slow their slide in the polls

Kakistocracy said...

A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans.

Enigma said...

Maybe they are fans of hip-hop and were quoting music lyrics?

Maybe they were using Google's AI and got confused about real history versus Woke history?

"It's okay when we say it!"

Iman said...

Oh, boy. More kakgasms.

Iman said...

He’s… oh, what do they call it… he’s “rubbin’ raw”.

Kakistocracy said...

They were raised by old republicans.

Tacitus said...

Perhaps opportunists of no particular principles, beliefs or sense are affixing themselves to conservatism now that it's resurgent. It happens. Or, since this is so far outside what I've encountered anyone saying in decades, Politico is just makin' stuff up.

rehajm said...

the quotes are all so…thorough, over the top, exaggerated. Who uses such extreme language like that?

Dave Begley said...

We know that the VA AG candidate wants to kill his political opponents and their family.

Shouting Thomas said...

A chat room! Ever read the “For you…” tab in X? I call it the Arkham Asylum of social media. Imagine! People joking about things in chat rooms under the impression that they’re just BSing in private! Insensitive jokes! Proof positive… of… ? Clearly guys joking in private in chat rooms are setting Republican Party policy and strategy, right? Only a moron like Kak could be persuaded by this BS.

Kit Carson said...

“everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.”

this is young people shooting the breeze in a high-spirited manner. and note that they are referring to their colleagues, fellow republicans, rather than their opponents.

rehajm said...

It has the vibe of the Dead Hooker Story 48 hours before election day, especially since we nixed election day and opted for election season…

Marcus Bressler said...

I don't believe it but I give it the 48 hour rule. Even if true, who df cares about this?

gadfly said...

So some Young Republicans " love Hitler" and hate N.I.G.s - otherwise they would have joined antifa.

Aspiring politicians have always looked up to Robert C. Byrd, a former U.S. Senator from West Virginia, who was a Grand Dragon in the Ku Klux Klan.

Political Junkie said...

Just shows we all have to be careful with what we say.

gilbar said...

this is HORRIBLE!!
no leftist, would EVER make such snide remarks!
they'd be Too Busy,
actively demanding the assassination of Republicans
or joyously celebrating the murder of Republicans

rehajm said...

This propaganda begins the thousands of hours of ‘this is how all Republicans think’ think pieces. This way the VA ag guy gets to stay in the race opleaseohpleaseohplease…

Mark said...

Marcus, Dave Begley clearly cares about private messages and think we should alter our vote because of them. He has been proclaiming it for days.

Convince him he's wrong and we can talk.

But standing around letting him go off makes it clear you just don't want to discuss this issue, this isn't any kind of moral high ground if you don't defend it.

Ann Althouse said...

If you think the Politico report might be inaccurate, do some fact checking. A response like "Ahhh ... Politico. Trusted news provider. Yeah. Uh huh" will get you absolutely nowhere. Do better.

Shouting Thomas said...

I won’t read the article because its premise is just plain stupid. But I’ll bet my house that the “I love Hitler” remark was a satirical statement on TDS, and that the speaker meant “I love Trump.”

Mark said...

Wonder if Achilles had text messages in there, it sounds like his posting.

rehajm said...

I’m most shocked there are some young Republicans in Vermont…

Ann Althouse said...

I asked Grok, "Is the Politico report accurate or should we be suspicious? Many people think Politico is slanted."

I'll put the response in an update to the post.

rehajm said...

Yeah. Uh huh" will get you absolutely nowhere. Do better.

….aaaannnd as if on queue- the asymmetry.

rehajm said...

I asked Grok…

Grok is slanted. I did not ask Grok if Grok is slanted…

rastajenk said...

I see libs communicating like that all day long on Facebook, out in the open. No surprise that more cloistered gatherings carry on thusly.

Mr. D said...

Any of these morons running for office? If not, why do we care?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

LOL two weeks into the VA race scandal in which the guy running for AG texted death wishes for his opponent and that he wanted then-AG’s kids to be killed “in front of their mother” so that the Republican would “rethink his vote” AND the VA gubernatorial candidate stands by him awkwardly and publicly AND the same characters repeatedly did both BUT the DNC-Media censors the democrats wishing death in order to run a story about random youths texting sarcastic “ya I love hitler” with the crying laughter emoji.

Sounds about right. Holding nobodies accountable while letting corrupt politicians off the hook is so perfectly illustrative of our current state of corporate news. Really, how can you mock institutions that voluntarily murder their own reputations right in front of us.

Ann Althouse said...

In the Grok answer I added to the post, the "consequences" section is impressive.

"Job Losses: William Hendrix (KS) fired from AG Kris Kobach's office; Peter Giunta ousted from NY Assemblyman Mike Reilly's staff; Bobby Walker lost congressional job offer; Joe Maligno quit NY court system role.

"Group Shutdowns: Kansas Young Republicans disbanded entirely; YRNF demands all resignations."

Denial is a stupid reaction. Don't be complacent.

Tina Trent said...

Infiltrators. And emotionally unstable leftitarians. Note they don't quantify the number of people who referenced Hitler.

I've infiltrate leftist groups where in one single meeting, over 400 deranged people chanted and screamed about eradicating Jews. And I have real evidence.

I've also tried to share it with the MSM. No response. So I don't believe any of this. If there are any sane libertarians under 80 left, they need to purge the leftist infiltrators or call it a day.

Beasts of England said...

’It exposes real rot in GOP youth ranks.’

It exposes bad jokes in GOP youth ranks.

Shouting Thomas said...

You’re just wrong on this one, Althouse. You never should have posted it. A bunch of guys talking edgy crap in a private chatroom is not a story worth dignifying. Anti-bigotry ranting is our biggest political problem. This is the major flaw in your game, giving credence to anti-bigotry ranting. Get rid of this stupid fucking worn out obsession. The U.S. is the fairest, least bigoted society in human history.

Derve said...

Oh ann. You really are outsoucing your thinking to Grok? Come on, former professor. THINK. Remember when your school was caught photoshopping black people in their ads? What does Grok think of that? Do you really think you can bury or spin this as bad reporting by Politico?

Sorry about your overrated Brewers. You're a good cheerleader but you need to be told who to cheer for, it seems. The little uneducated man in your house is a hater, too. You know that, right? Don't sell the rest of your soul, ma'am. Turn to Christ, find yourself a Bible-based church, Mrs. Cohen...

Howard said...

Did you see the pictures of four of the perpetrators? They are all unsatisfactory fat fuckers who couldn't qualify to enlist in the United States Air Force. These are prototypical entitled frat boy cunts are clamoring for the attention of Republican leadership and are willing to backstab their way to the top. Trust me, I am not concerned or horrified by the off color language. Anybody who has worked in heavy industry has heard much much worse.

The real issue is that they are actually very catty women who have their claws out because they believe that no one is going to punch them in the mouth.

What a bunch of pathetic porcine prepubescent pussies. That's the real issue not the offensive language.

If you guys are going to support these worthless piles of blubber, then you are sicker than I thought.

The correct response is to be thankful that politico exposed these cry babies so they could be culled from your ranks before they do any real serious damage to your cause.

Derve said...

Tacitus said...
Perhaps opportunists of no particular principles, beliefs or sense are affixing themselves to conservatism now that it's resurgent. It happens. Or, since this is so far outside what I've encountered anyone saying in decades, Politico is just makin' stuff up.
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As ann has told us many many many times, what the educated white people say and laugh about behind closed doors is not what they blog in the morning...

Derve said...

Re: Howard said...
Did you see the pictures of four of the perpetrators? They are all unsatisfactory fat fuckers who couldn't qualify to enlist in the United States Air Force.
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Howard, you suck. It's not their weight or race that matters. It's their words and actions.

JD Vance was a fat fuck too, but he was able to enlist. He's good to spew racial and sexist hatred cuz he enlisted? That's your first talking point? You're a pond swimmer, not a fighter. Keep your mouth shut with the cunt language? We don't nee your help.

Enigma said...

@Althouse regarding Politico's bias.

The Allsides.com media rating chart has Politico rated as "lean left." Their surveys show fluctuations between center and a substantial left perception. Human data, not AI.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico-media-bias

Derve said...

The U.S. is the fairest, least bigoted society in human history.
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Not according to your young people in the chat rooms...
Trust me, this stale holding pen is not representative of what America is talking about today. Ann has provided a place, but there's no intellectual stimulation... just a bunch of old men farting and clogging up her toilets with your shit. Keep hitting the tip jar though; she'll be glad to keep hosting... meade likes the company.

Mike said...

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

rehajm said...

Denial is a stupid reaction. Don't be complacent

…so if what you’re posting is true you’re inviting me to conclude Republicans do not tolerate this kind of speech within their ranks. Got it…meanwhile on the left…

Howard said...

These vile poster boys for Ozempic and the need for a compulsory draft are the exact opposite type of young human beings that Pete Hegseth wants to create. In fact they are so low they aren't even pukes yet:

"But until that day, you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grab-asstic pieces of amphibian shit!"

Derve said...

When you don't like the message, attack the messenger. Too bad ann can't put everyone on "silence" so we can keep the blog safe for you old white fellas who want to be bigots in peace. lol. No justice, no peace. Your kids/grandkids can explain it to you, in time.

Old and slow said...

I imagine the quotes are largely accurate. Young men often exhibit poor judgement and crass humor. It is unfortunate that they gave ammunition to the left. It doesn't mean that these guys are racist devotees of Hitler.

Amadeus 48 said...

I, like, so don't care.

However, when I practiced law, we repeatedly told people not to text, voice-mail, or e-mail anything that they wouldn't want to appear on the front page of the New York Times, advice that was routinely, repeatedly, and persistently ignored, thereby populating a category called "The World's Worst Documents." These Junior Woodchuck political wannabes just got a practical lesson in what not to do.

Howard said...

You can see it in their faces how the fat is clogging their brains and shrinking their dicks. They are not men they are not even boys. They are some strange form of trans creature without an anchor too traditional sexuality.

Derve said...

Howard said...
These vile poster boys for Ozempic and the need for a compulsory draft are the exact opposite type of young human beings that Pete Hegseth wants to create. In fact they are so low they aren't even pukes yet:

"But until that day, you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grab-asstic pieces of amphibian shit!"
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You're not going to beat the young men trash talking, Howie.
THey're not afraid to drop the n word. You are. They can go lower than you... why drop yourselves to their level to fight a battle you're only going to lose...

Jesus Christ knows, there's a higher road to take. Focus on the real issues. Ann's generation has tossed in the towel. Truth be told she did that was she was still taking money form the tenured higher ed teaching gig. You're not going to turn on the pretty professor who has hosted your bigotry all these years now, are you?

Have mercy.

Howard said...

I'm not even a Republican and yet I am embarrassed that these things call themselves Americans. What do you think the men who defended the Alamo would think of these guys if they showed up? Of course guys like that would never show up.

Beasts of England said...

For the record: I was an officer in the Young Republicans with Mo Brooks, who became a Member of Congress and was shot at during softball practice by a Bernie Bro, so I don’t wanna hear a fucking word about ‘real rot’ in GOP youth ranks.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Joking about gas chambers in a chat room?
Let's see...

The bite of the lone star tick spreads alpha-gal syndrome (AGS), a condition whose only effect is the creation of a severe but nonfatal red meat allergy. Public health departments warn against lone star ticks and AGS, and scientists are working to develop an inoculation to AGS. Herein, we argue that if eating meat is morally impermissible, then efforts to prevent the spread of tickborne AGS are also morally impermissible. After explaining the symptoms of AGS and how they are transmitted via ticks, we argue that tickborne AGS is a moral bioenhancer if and when it motivates people to stop eating meat. We then defend what we call the Convergence Argument: If x-ing prevents the world from becoming a significantly worse place, doesn't violate anyone's rights, and promotes virtuous action or character, then x-ing is strongly pro tanto obligatory; promoting tickborne AGS satisfies each of these conditions. Therefore, promoting tickborne AGS is strongly pro tanto obligatory. It is presently feasible to genetically edit the disease-carrying capacity of ticks. If this practice can be applied to ticks carrying AGS, then promoting the proliferation of tickborne AGS is morally obligatory.
From Western Michigan University

https://www.frontpagemag.com/weaponizing-ticks-academics-propose-meat-allergy-to-fight-climate-change/

Derve said...

How Howard fights back against other white men:
He calls women cunts.
He blames trans people.
He attacks the obese.
No Howard, it was the hate that was behind their words that we object to. Their labeling and condemning others just trying to get by today... You really don't see it because you, and most of this room including the prof and her current husband, truck in the same hate of Others. Stay here and curdle your insides and die. Dr. Kennedy and others have shown you your path ahead... Keep on hating. God knows it's a hard habit to break, eh Howard? Your words are soooo revealing.

Saint Croix said...

I wonder how long Politico had this story, and why did they wait until October to publish it?

LibertarianLeisure said...

Is it just me or do 7 out of 10 posts of late include a question to Grok?

Temujin said...

Young people feeling their power and letting their stupid show. Not uncommon, but not the people I would want as the future. We can do better than that cheap, lame mindset. Sound like frat boys.
On the other side we’ve got the DSA and their mentality completely taking over the Democratic Party. I think the GOP “issue” is much smaller and more isolated than the Dems problem, which is epidemic. Watch what happens to NYC under DSA man, Mamdani.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Sorry! I dropped the quote marks.

Derve said...

It doesn't mean that these guys are racist devotees of Hitler.
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It means they are stupid.
They should have no jobs working with other Americans. Night shift sweeping floors and running the floor polishers, at best...

Leland said...

Let me get this straight, somebody posted private conversation of young people in an effort to get them cancelled and cover the bothsiderism to protect the Dem VA AG candidate scandal. The result is old Republicans fired the young candid Republicans.

Ok, so when are old Dems firing the VA AG candidate or is it not really both sides?

Derve said...

Marcus Bressler said...
I don't believe it but I give it the 48 hour rule. Even if true, who df cares about this?
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Americans who hope/plan to be alive in two decades and care about the American people.

You think you'll live out the year, Marcus? At the end, you likely don't care if this country goes to shit, but the rest of us who will outlive you do!

Derve said...

Ok, so when are old Dems firing the VA AG candidate or is it not really both sides?
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Didn't Trump's election teach you anything?
The VOTERS decide, not the elites or the rabble calling for this or that one to be removed from the ballot. If VA voters want Jay Jones representing them, or if they want to punish him for his words, that's their job. Keep your nose on your own representatives. Don't try to take away power from the American voters.

Howard said...

I like how your standard of conduct are the worst of the worst disgusting piles of shit in the Democrat party.

Cancer and rot and starts out small. Like I said before y'all should be happy that political blew the whistle on this so you could nip it in the bud.

Amadeus 48 said...

Howard is right. These guys are all members of the Chubby Club.

Howard said...

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

GRW3 said...

Fair enough Politico, Young people can be stupid. I mean 12 N words and 250 other ethnic slurs in 28K messages. Wow! I shocked (round up the usual suspects).

Now, Politico, do Bluesky.

rhhardin said...

Gas chambers, slavery and rape. This calls for a joke.

Saint Croix said...

This is a criticism that the Democrats in Virginia made to the Republicans who waited until October to reveal that the Democrat AG was openly texting fantasies about killing an elected official and his children. It's clearly upset the race in Virginia. And the Democrat candidate for governor, Abigail Spanberger, at the debate refused to withdraw her endorsement of the child killing fantasist who is running for AG.

Her response to this question during the debate was that Republicans held on to the story until October, for maximum impact on the November elections.

That's true. And it doesn't surprise me at all. That's politics.

Politico, on the other hand, claims to be a neutral observer, a magazine devoted to journalism and telling the truth. Politico is neutral, yes? Isn't that what they claim?

So why sit on the story for seven months?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

"These aren't reactions to a "hoax"—they're damage control for verified ugliness." She says.

"damage control" is what is known as consequences. Compare and contrast how Republicans/ conservatives respond when their own are caught making outrageous statements to how Democrat Party members respond when their own make outrageous statements.
Compare the statements "I love Hitler" with "I want your kids to be murdered and die in your arms".
Compare how Republicans responded with immediate condemnation and consequences for a member of the Attorneys General staff while weeks later we're all still waiting for the first Democrat Party member to condemn the statements made by the asswipe who is running to be the actual Attorneys General.

We're not the same. Democrat Party members are vicious, amoral, narcissistic scum.

Derve said...

LibertarianLeisure said...
Is it just me or do 7 out of 10 posts of late include a question to Grok?
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She might be slipping into dementia and trying desperately to hide it. The tangents are fairy new in the past few years too. The prof seems to not be able to focus on substantive legal matters either, other than a cursory "day later" peruse of the transcript with her dropping observations from other legal analysts writing online, or pulling quotes from the national reads she's addicted to (but loves to put down, as she continues reading/quoting from their young columnists...)

Wait until Megan McCardle puts something out. Then ann will have a source other than grok to point to, before she gets distracted and goes off on a tangent that takes her mind off topic... I'm proud of her if she is going to take you all on her aging journey even as you begin to notice the decline.

Derve said...

Compare the statements "I love Hitler" with "I want your kids to be murdered and die in your arms".
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I'll play? The first is worse. None of Hitler's victims got to die in their mother's arms. The former speaker was specifically targeting people whom he judged to have done wrong (like JD and Trump with the fishermen being summarily executed) and wanted killed. But his were only words. Hitler and JD/Trump are carrying out their deadly actions... there's a difference.

Howard said...

What's the punchline, rhh? Something about liking to feel the bones crack?

Big Mike said...

Kakistocracy said...

A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans


And the problem with young Democrats is that they grow up to be old communists.

Derve said...

Howard said...
I like how your standard of conduct are the worst of the worst disgusting piles of shit in the Democrat party.

Cancer and rot and starts out small.
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Is the cancer eating at your brain, old man?
You never used to call women cunts, or rail against flabby folk, or even slur the transgender people as far as I can recall. You were always boasting about the bikini bunnies who let you into their small pond to swim... pretty mellow guy before the cancer hit your brain, it seems...

Derve said...

Howard said...
What's the punchline, rhh? Something about liking to feel the bones crack?

10/15/25, 7:13 AM
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Old, white, saggy balls, sick fuck.
You're not funny, old man.
You'll get yours. Keep it up.

Saint Croix said...

I am sure, if Politico went through the Althouse blog, it would find any number of comments that are, shall we say, problematic. But it would be kind of dishonest for Politico to use that "journalism" in an attempt to attack the Althouse blog.

I don't know if kids respond or say anything when they hear stuff like that. Probably some do. I wouldn't expect Politico to report on that.

I do not think Politico is interested in any discussion of how corrupt our youth have become. It's simply an attempt to tar the entire Republican party as fascist and racist and evil and blah blah blah. This is obviously meant as an October surprise. And it's a pretty lame one, in my opinion. But go ahead and cancel the children.

n.n said...

So, do they entertain abortive ideation, Mengele dreams, redistributive change, ethnic Springs? Do they exercise liberal license to indulge Diversity (e.g. racist, sexist, ageist, class-disordered) ideologies? Do they support politically congruent or equal treatment? Critical Diversity Theory advises us to treat individuals as bloc actors, and color and class in blocs. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #HateLovesAbortion

rehajm said...

In the Grok answer I added to the post, the "consequences" section is impressive.

"Job Losses: William Hendrix (KS) fired from AG Kris Kobach's office; Peter Giunta ousted from NY Assemblyman Mike Reilly's staff; Bobby Walker lost congressional job offer; Joe Maligno quit NY court system role.

"Group Shutdowns: Kansas Young Republicans disbanded entirely; YRNF demands all resignations."

Denial is a stupid reaction. Don't be complacent


…the longer I look at Ann’s logic the dumber it becomes…are the firings proof these things were said or are the firings evidence Republicans fear the accusations are true? …and when was the discipline given? Long before the story broke? Isn’t that the correct reponse?

Do better…

Kevin said...

I’m confused. Is this worse than Dems chanting “from the river to the sea”?

rehajm said...

Why sit on this important story half the year?

Mort said...

Quoting Althouse at 6:45:
In the Grok answer I added to the post, the "consequences" section is impressive.

"Job Losses: William Hendrix (KS) fired from AG Kris Kobach's office; Peter Giunta ousted from NY Assemblyman Mike Reilly's staff; Bobby Walker lost congressional job offer; Joe Maligno quit NY court system role.

"Group Shutdowns: Kansas Young Republicans disbanded entirely; YRNF demands all resignations."

Denial is a stupid reaction. Don't be complacent.

I agree with Althouse - there are idiots on both sides. The difference is what happens to them. It looks like they were drummed out of their positions - on the left, they often rise to positions of power.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

So there's already actual consequences for the random unknown youths. BUT the guy running for AG still has not been grilled by any corporate media, has not apologized to the mother he wished would watch her children die, he has not dropped out, neither the Lt Gov nor Gov candidate have even said he should not be AG even though he wants all republicans to die according to his other texts.

So yeah, I am not going to be worked up over youthful indiscretion when the adults are acting so contemptibly with zero repercussions or any corporate media "holding them accountable." Fuck Politico and their agenda.

rrsafety said...

It is a good opportunity to purge the scum out of the young GOP. Everyone participating in the chat and using racist language should be black listed by all GOP offices and affiliates. This is an easy way to weed out horrible people.

Terry di Tufo said...

Thank you, AA, for blogging this and Groking it. Nietzsche:”In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

on the left, they often rise to positions of power

It is actually happening as we debate these kids.

boatbuilder said...

Asking Grok about the accuracy or reliability of a just-broken story about alleged obscure chat room remarks by young people with no prior public record is lazy and irresponsible. Do better.

I would like to see some actual context, as in the case of the VA AG candidate--who clearly wasn't just spitballing, and doubled down when asked to stop.

The fact that the organizations to which they belong reacted with immediate condemnation and punishment suggests that the organizations are very sensitive to such matters, not that the inferences are accurate.

What are the claims of extortion and alteration about? (I will "read the whole thing," but you are the one who put the post up).

Amadeus 48 said...

By way of comparison, from the other side of the aisle:

Jay Jones for Virginia AG--a guy who knows what he thinks. What does he think? Killing children in their mother's arms will spark policy changes by the bereaved parent.

That sounds rather--psychotic. Speak up, Spanberger!

Clyde said...

rhhardin said...
Gas chambers, slavery and rape. This calls for a joke.


I'd come up with one, but it would probably have to be in Arabic.

n.n said...

So, with the understanding of diversity of individuals, minority of one, the individual is responsible. In Diversity cultures, the judgment and labels are color, sex, age, etc, equivocal and inclusive

Wince said...

An extreme example of why people should eschew the class of people who choose to start their career in politics. You should accomplish something productive in the economy first, rather than climb a politicized shit pile of connections, access and backscratching as your formative experience. Whichever party you belong to it gives rise to a weak, insular mentality that worships the primacy of government as the font of access, privilege and power.

Ronald J. Ward said...

Is there anything particularly surprising here? Isn’t this exactly what many warned could happen once certain boundaries started to erode?

What surprises me isn’t that it happened, but that so many seem unable to see how it got here, why it matters, and where it’s heading. The reactions are all familiar — fake news, they didn’t do it, maybe they did but didn’t mean it, or everyone does it.

The bigger story is how the line keeps moving. White nationalist groups that once stayed underground are now loud and proud. The Proud Boys even declared they’re “no longer apologizing.” That mindset didn’t appear overnight, but recent years have clearly made people more comfortable saying out loud what they used to whisper.

This isn’t about new racism so much as new permission — the idea that there’s nothing to be ashamed of. And that’s the part that should make us pause.

mryan said...

Who thinks this kind of banter is funny? You shouldn't have to engage in racist and white supremacist tropes to entertain your chat buddies. I think it is good that these idiots were foolish enough to put these statements where they could be exposed and they could be fired. Conservative/Republicans don't need these kind of morons representing them.

dbp said...

All of the quotes could be actual quotes from actual Republicans and the story could still be BS. Here are the ways:
Selectivity: Are the quotes taken in context? Maybe a Republican was characterizing how Democrats view them: They think, we all love Hitler and want to bring back gas-chambers. Politico edits out the "They think".
Cherry-picking: Search millions of pages of messages and you will find some truly bad things--using automated search engines to find a needle in a haystack, doesn't tell you much about Republicans in general.

Derve said...

What surprises me isn’t that it happened, but that so many seem unable to see how it got here, why it matters, and where it’s heading.
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Once you start baring your chest and celebrating the killing of children, even other people's children allegedly to benefit your own (we'll see how that works out for the Jewish state in time...), you've lost your soul.

America's support of Israel has turned our own Christian values into nothing. If you want the OT ways, you have to accept there's no Christian world for you to be safe in... It's kill or be killed. But some of us are not, and will never be, killers.

It's not in our nature. Don't think we'll go down without a fight though...

Iman said...

The problem with young Democrats is that they often grow up to be soulless, hive-minded, unproductive, murderous parasites.

Derve said...

mryan said...
Who thinks this kind of banter is funny? You shouldn't have to engage in racist and white supremacist tropes to entertain your chat buddies.
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Now consider how many workplaces are infected with this. Or "men" like Howard who call women cunts behind their backs. No thank you.

Mr. D said...

Is Politico pouncing or seizing?

TeaBagHag said...

Anyone who has spent a lot of time with conservatives knows that this reporting is likely to be spot on in accuracy.

Anyone whose spent time in the Althouse comment section wonders how anyone can deny this story is 100% true.

Disparity of Cult said...

But will this make a difference for Spanberger and Jones?

bgates said...

A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans

Not true! Some of them get assassinated by your side

Saint Croix said...

has not apologized to the mother he wished would watch her children die

he's apologized

but he hasn't dropped out

and I don't think anybody in the Virginia Democrat party is pushing him to drop out, which is very strange

Saint Croix said...

Something like 12% of respondents in a poll like him more now than they did before. They're happy that he's dreaming about assassinating an official, and his young kids.

He's lost a lot of support, and the election. But that 12% number is shocking.

Maynard said...

Liberals need this gaslighting every now and then. It gets depressing for them to be obviously wrong all the time.

Achilles said...


Kakistocracy said...

A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans.

Kakistocracy said...

They were raised by old republicans.


The murderous sock muppet reminds us that he spends his time coming up with reasons to shoot and murder Republicans.

Democrats are just evil murderous people.

Achilles said...

TeaBagHag said...

Anyone who has spent a lot of time with conservatives knows that this reporting is likely to be spot on in accuracy.

Anyone whose spent time in the Althouse comment section wonders how anyone can deny this story is 100% true.


I am not sad that we wont be friends. I realize that the world is full of tribes that will do or say anything to gain power.

Democrats are just a barbaric tribal entity with no higher principles or desire for freedom. They will always justify the murder of people who get between then and power.

The democrat party is largely left with the low IQ dregs like this. All of the reasonably intelligent democrats left with RFK and Tulsi Gabbard.

boatbuilder said...

I read most of "the whole thing." Mostly edgy inside joking foolishness, primarily by one guy (Giunta). With guilt by association. All as interpreted by political sociology professors to tie in with alleged themes of violence, racism and anti-semitism promoted by Trump and Charlie Kirk. I am not impressed by the seriousness of this as a national scandal. Nor am I impressed by the primary offenders.
The "I love Hitler" thing is clearly a self-deprecating joke.

Jamie said...

Is there anything particularly surprising here? Isn’t this exactly what many warned could happen once certain boundaries started to erode?

Oh, spare me.

Obviously the real story here is not what idiot kids say when they think no one is listening (does anyone really believe that all the ethnic jokes, "why do women have legs" jokes, all those jokes went away just because they correctly became socially unacceptable? And does anyone believe it was always only Republicans making those jokes? Because I have a slew of old Democrat uncles whom I heard making them with my own ears back in the benighted '70s), but the difference in response: even though it's patently obvious that none of this crap was serious, Republicans are denouncing it, distancing themselves from the dumb kids, demanding and seeing serious consequences, and renewing their ongoing commitment to maintaining civil discourse. What do Democrats do when one of "theirs" says something stupid but also appalling?

Jamie said...

Btw, I put "theirs" in quotes to emphasize that the kids claim membership in a group that doesn't want them any more; I imagine the same could be true on the other side (yet somehow that group never quite gets around to booting them out, unless they say something like "sex is biological and, with very rare exceptions that are considered generic anomalies, binary").

Disparity of Cult said...

The pearls of "The View" cast members have already been stress-tested for the upcoming clutching.

Big Mike said...

I know that Althouse doesn’t like Republicans and that Grok makes things up. I think that makes Althouse gullible. When she demands we up our game it means she wants us to confirm her biases, which I am not inclined to do.

Against that, I know that young men say things among themselves to puff up how manly and edgy they are. The use of the N-word is appalling, but “I love Hitler” could have been — and probably was — in response to lefties referring to Donald Trump as “Hitler,” not to mention every Republican candidate since Tom Dewey, except for Dwight Eisenhower. Even squishy Mitt Romney. And Charlie Kirk was a Nazi, don’t you know. The “gas chamber” quote was clearly meant facetiously. Tasteless, but facetious.

Knowing Politico, I find it plausible that comments were cherry-picked, taken out of context, and even edited. But Politico has managed to send a stark warning to young conservatives to watch what they say, especially if they think they’re among friends. Some young lives have been ruined, but left-leaning people got their own careers wrecked by their comments justifying Kirk’s assassination so there is balance, of sorts.

Josephbleau said...

So after the big splash, let’s see a full release of all the material. And then we can condemn the individuals responsible. Democrats will try to lump everyone together and say half the country is evil, no just some stupid dumbshits that I am sure everyone will call out as dumshits.

Bob Boyd said...

Putting stuff like that in writing? On the internet? In this day and age? When you have political ambitions? Are you kidding me? Were they drunk?
If it was up to Trump I bet he'd say kick them out for being stupid.

Fabi said...

Charlie Kirk is murdered in cold blood and thousands of lefties celebrate on social media. Some young Reps say stupid things and the left is outraged.

Fen’s Law writ large.

Justabill said...

I’m appalled that anyone would still think that way. I’m also amazed that people write it down. I was taught early on in the age of email never to write anything down that I didn’t want to read on the front page. I continue to be surprised how many people yield to their worst impulse.

n.n said...

The point of Critical Diversity Theory is to attribute and label blocs (e.g. race, sex, age) of principals over principles. This is a fetus... feature of DEIst projections. #HateLovesAbortion

Ronald J. Ward said...

Jamie, let me put it this way; I’m not really surprised by this at all. We’ve watched, over several years, a steady normalization of rhetoric and behavior that once would have ended political careers. From “shithole countries,” to dinner with Fuentes and Kanye West, to “stand back and stand by,” to the Central Park Five to Stephen Miller’s immigration policies to Trump’s admiration for Hitler- the pattern isn’t subtle. It’s been a slow, steady erosion of shame around openly racist attitudes.

So to me, this isn’t an isolated scandal — it’s the natural outgrowth of a movement that has treated cruelty and exclusion as authenticity. MAGA didn’t invent racial resentment, but it turned it into a kind of political identity. And there’s just no honest way to tap-dance around that.

Josephbleau said...

I remember when James Cook and the climate science group had pictures of themselves dressed up in Nazi uniforms on a private internet site. Stupid goes both ways, no one has a monopoly. Trump needs to make a speech and call out these jerks and separate from them publicly. It’s not trumps felt that there are asskoles in Kansas.

n.n said...

What other Diversitist and abortive ideation are entertained under a cloak of privacy? What is realized with affirmative action? What modes and models of redistributive and retributive change?

tommyesq said...

Wow, the only way this could be worse would be if they had threatened to put two bullets in the head of some Dem candidate, choosing the Dem candidate for the bullets over Hitler/Stalin, and then wishing death on the Dem candidate's kids. Can you imagine if they had said that??

n.n said...

Sensational JournoLism is a dime a dozen. Let loose the Ouroboros.

Ann Althouse said...

If you think Grok is wrong, come forward with a substantive response. Grok offers sources and evidence. The argument against that isn't "I don't trust Grok." It is to offer a better product in the marketplace of ideas. I'm challenging you to do that and you're just circling the drain. Grok is at least a first pass at finding and ordering the evidence. Fight back if you can. If you can't, I don't know how you can be smug other than by feeling sure of what side you are on and wanting to play as if this is a game to be won. If that's what you are, I'm completely uninterested in what's for sale in your shop of ideas.

Kakistocracy said...

Republicans' embrace of Hitler raises new questions about Zohran Mamdani's willingness to combat antisemitism.

FormerLawClerk said...

Ann Althouse thinks I'm going to fact-check everything Politico writes: "If you think the Politico report might be inaccurate, do some fact checking."

I don't spend my time fact-checking a bunch of assholes who make shit up.

Aggie said...

A lot of people trying to reason with other people, whose reason departed a very long time ago indeed. Maybe the distinction is between a group that trash talks in a private chat forum, as compared to public figures that speak of Hitler comparisons without giving any illustrative examples, and others that speak of murderous intentions or visiting violent fantasies on their opponents, in public, from positions of power and authority - and then proceed with actual attacks.

So, no, my 'crazy violence' drawer is already all filled up, thanks to y'all. Civility drawer is empty, though - do you have any of that?

Bob Boyd said...

Trump is the worst Hitler in my lifetime.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-870333

Mike Petrik said...

These contemptible idiots need to be purged until they grow up and shape up, and it seems that GOP adults are doing just that. Virginia Dems need to figure out how to do the same to Jones.

n.n said...

Civility bullshit. Probably.

FormerLawClerk said...

And let me explain why, Ann:

Some people have lives. We don't sit around all day fact-checking every Democrat Party hate group, such as Politico, to see if they stumbled on to the truth in a single item.

That's not how we live our lives. This is why TRUST is important in media. If we could trust Politico, they'd be relevant. But an even casual perusal of their history demonstrates that they cannot be trusted. So they're irrelevant.

I'm not sitting around all day re-reporting all of their Democrat Party propaganda to see if maybe they stumbled on to something that just so happens in one instance might be true.

That's not how humans operate.

Politico cannot be trusted, and so you can just write off anything that they "report" without the need for fact-checking anything.

Mike Petrik said...

"I don't spend my time fact-checking a bunch of assholes who make shit up."
No, it's easier to just make your own shit up.

tommyesq said...

So accept Grok is 100% accurate and complete unless we have conclusive evidence to the contrary?

Mike Petrik said...

"So accept Grok is 100% accurate and complete unless we have conclusive evidence to the contrary?'
Who asked for conclusive evidence? Any impeaching evidence whatsoever would be a start.

lonejustice said...

Is anyone really surprised by this?

Fabi said...

If you can't, I don't know how you can be smug other than by feeling sure of what side you are on and wanting to play as if this is a game to be won.

Is the civility bullshit or virtue signaling? Hard to tell.

Ronald J. Ward said...

FormerLawClerk, it’s ironic, isn’t it? When people boast that they “don’t waste time” checking sources they dislike, they’re essentially volunteering to have someone else control what they know.

That kind of media isolation is exactly what made propaganda so powerful in the 1930s and again with the Jonestown massacre — when leaders ensured people only heard one voice, and mistrusted every other.

Leland said...

If the youth were punished then the debate is a bit over. Whatever Politico found and wrote about doesn’t take away that the employers of these youth took issue with their statements and punished them. If the employers only worked off the article, shame on them for not doing their own investigation and assuming innocence without at least hearing from the youths. I suspect they did due diligence and the youth admitted to their mistakes. So there is no point blaming Politico, Grok, or Althouse.

As for the comments, they are bad. Are they extraordinary? I don’t think so. Are they unique to one party? BS. Were the comments honest and true feelings? It doesn’t appear so, but that doesn’t make them smart or responsible comments.

However, if the left want to make hay of this, then “whataboutism” and “bothsiderism” their candidates candidly, and when questioned about sincerity doubling down, wishing horrible deaths to the family of their opponents? Particularly in the reality in which Republicans have been targeted in assassination plots of various success in the past year? What about a gubernatorial candidate saying she doesn’t even need the votes or to represent people with other opinions? What about that candidates treatment of her staff?

What I see on the Right is consequences, even if initial reaction is disbelief. What I see on the Left is disinterest in disturbing behavior and holding others responsible. However, it serves no one if the Right starts playing by the Left’s playbook of irresponsibility. I’m glad to see in this story, the Right is being responsible.

rehajm said...

…since we’ll never see the actual evidence from this propaganda agent I’m not willing to take them at their word. And Grok is not an agent of truth no matter how much Ann believes it’s an unbiased referee of accuracy or an arbiter of truth. It’s a dumb bit of kit programmed by humans, reflective of all the biases of humans, their programming and the data it collects.

Jaq said...

Without the transcript, it’s way too easy for biased outlets like Politico to strip off context such as indicators that they were being sarcastic or ironically mocking the coverage of Republicans that people like gadfly breathlessly quote incessantly. So without context, complete context, it proves nothing,”.

Wasn’t it just last week that the press stripped Trump’s statement on Tylenol of the qualifiers he used, so that they took a statement that agreed with medical advice and made it look outrageous. Not sure how many times a person has to fall for this before the default position is that the press is lying until proven otherwise.

Inga said...

“Is anyone really surprised by this?”

No.
Not if they’ve been paying attention.

Jamie said...

it’s the natural outgrowth of a movement that has treated cruelty and exclusion as authenticity. MAGA didn’t invent racial resentment, but it turned it into a kind of political identity. And there’s just no honest way to tap-dance around that.

Mm hmm. It was MAGA all along inside that mask. It was MAGA who wants to "eliminate" another race and declares half of humanity "toxic" unless they acquiesce to the idea that the other half is naturally superior. Who wants present discrimination as a remedy for past discrimination, and future discrimination as a remedy for present discrimination. Who calls ALL its political opponents, however milquetoast, Nazis and fascists and racists and sexists and every other kind of -ists. Who disowns and disavows family members who have given any indication that they aren't fully onboard with their project. Who bands together to get colleagues fired for wrongthink.

All MAGA. The left? They were just standing helplessly by, watching their brand be tarnished by those devious masked MAGA people.

The Vault Dweller said...

I think some of this is a generational divide thing. The gas chamber stuff and "I love Hitler" stuff is almost certainly just an attempt at edgy humor. And younger folks make a distinction between the other word depending on if it has the hard R or not. While I suspect most black folks, even younger ones are still uncomfortable with white folks using that word it isn't universal. The times, they are a-changin.

Jaq said...

Grok’s assertion that the fact that he got fired is proof that it’s true is also nonsense. Maybe they just panicked, or knew what an uphill climb it would be to disprove it in such a hostile press environment.

Jaq said...

And Nurse Ratchet puts her oar in, the same lady who refused to acknowledge the context of the Tylenol statement.

Jaq said...

So now we live in a world where irony and sarcasm are disallowed in private conversations.

rehajm said...

…try and go to the well too many times you’re gonna be examined with a skeptical eye…

Yancey Ward said...

I am going to go out on a limb here and predict what the context of the "I love Hitler" comments are: they meant that they love Trump who the left constantly call the new Hitler.

IamDevo said...

Don't care. Can't make me care. And say, when is Jay Jones recusing himself from the VA AG race?

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...
If you think Grok is wrong, come forward with a substantive response. Grok offers sources and evidence. The argument against that isn't "I don't trust Grok." It is to offer a better product in the marketplace of ideas. I'm challenging you to do that and you're just circling the drain. Grok is at least a first pass at finding and ordering the evidence. Fight back if you can. If you can't, I don't know how you can be smug other than by feeling sure of what side you are on and wanting to play as if this is a game to be won. If that's what you are, I'm completely uninterested in what's for sale in your shop of ideas.

Your problem here Ann is you are participating in a bad faith endeavor.

These particular “leaders” have been stigmatized and chastised for their words here and even forced to change. There is also the fact that they were joking and never intended to implement these words into actions.

But you are joining with the shitheads like Inga and lonejustice to say all republicans support this talk.

The Politico and other dishonest media are just demonizing all Trump supporters with this and justifying democrat violence. The democrats have leaders openly talking about shooting specific republicans and killing their kids and the rest of the party including the leftists here still support them.

The two parties are not the same.

You are being dishonest with this and acting in bad faith.

Yancey Ward said...

And I don't understand why the entire logs weren't released with the story- that alone makes me strongly suspect the context is being deliberately hidden.

Bob Boyd said...

Nobody ever said anything stupid or ugly in a political conversation until Trump came along and eroded certain boundaries.

bagoh20 said...

"A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans."

Of course, the ever present justification for murder from the left, all while assuming the virtuous high ground.

Dude1394 said...

I deleted this comment but I see I shouldn’t have. Did they threaten and promote murdering democrats families and children. Have the democrats called for people calling republicans fascists, fascists, bigots, homophobes, Islamophobia’s holding up bloody heads apologized. No, so I could care less what democrat think anymore. Sod off.

rehajm said...

…jeez even the stupid grok is guilty of political spin- if this happened we’d expect to see- good god that's dumb…

Achilles said...

Yancey Ward said...
I am going to go out on a limb here and predict what the context of the "I love Hitler" comments are: they meant that they love Trump who the left constantly call the new Hitler.

The democrats cannot be honest about what they want or what they are doing.

Ann is just participating in this dishonesty and acting in bad faith.

If she comes out and says that she is just trying to steelman a bad argument that would be a different thing.

But right now Ann is trying to support democrat efforts to dehumanize 80 million people with dishonest media stories.

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, why would I fact check Grok? Thanks to Shepard’s Citations that’s easy enough to do when Grok or ChatGPT generate briefs that (deliberately?) misconstrue precedents, not to mention inventing citations.

If I (1) had access to the 26,000 texts, and (2) had the time to do it, I would fact-check Politico instead.

I get that you don’t like being called gullible, Professor, but the solution is to introduce more skepticism into your analyses. And don’t waste our time or yours by trying to do an appeal to authority when the “authority” is AI.

bagoh20 said...

This should be exposed and people should justify their speech, or face consequences, but I doubt that Politico would publish what young Dems say in private. They don't really have to though, since the left openly calls for and celebrates murder and lawlessness.
So we have terrible speech on both sides, but we are not seeing much violence from the Right, and actual violence is what I care about. People have and will talk like this, and it will not end.

Achilles said...

Yancey Ward said...
And I don't understand why the entire logs weren't released with the story- that alone makes me strongly suspect the context is being deliberately hidden.

You should trust grok to give you context.

Ann said so.

Laslo Spatula said...

Howard said: “The real issue is that they are actually very catty women who have their claws out because they believe that no one is going to punch them in the mouth...”

Yep.

I don’t give much of a relative damn about the extreme things people can say when they think only the ‘right’ people are listening: I have already expected it.

And — when I DO hear what they have said, I am usually disappointed by how small and trite their imaginations and vocabularies end up being.

Like: I’ve been around people for many decades now. I kinda know how they work. The Pure New Soviet Man: he ain’t gonna happen.

What I want to see is if they will back it up when the words come to light.

Because Bond Villains don’t pussy out when their plans are exposed. In a world of two-bit thugs, be better: be Goldfinger. Have that fucking laser-table ready.

More people need to have been punched in the face in this world at the appropriate time, not less. Like hitting the side of that behemoth 1960s Zenith console to get the television picture back to rights. It might not have always worked, but it worked enough.

As the famous Mike Tyson quote says: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"...

I am Laslo.

Beasts of England said...

’They don't really have to though, since the left openly calls for and celebrates murder and lawlessness.’

True, but the left sees our free speech as violence and their violence as free speech.

Lazarus said...

Sure, even young conservatives years ago knew enough to avoid Young Conservatives and Young Republicans, but it's the Young part that's the problem, more than the conservative or republican part. I'd like to see the leaked communications of Young Democrats or Young Socialists or Young Trotskyists for comparison. There'd be a lot of similiarity. Until we do see those communications, the story is like the Nixon tapes or the Access Hollywood tapes where an adult male politician is singled out and pilloried for speaking like adult male politicians habitually do.

I didn't bother with what Grok has to say. There's enough evidence of AI being a moron. I did wonder about Axios and The Hill being "center-right." I don't know much about either site, but I believe the story with The Hill was that it was founded by a Republican but gradually adapted to the DC environment and "went native."

28,000 messages from about 20 people? In any group of thousands or tens of thousands of people, especially of young people, you could always find 20 who make obscene or offensive statements.

Jamie said...

The Pure New Soviet Man: he ain’t gonna happen.

But what a beautiful theory. Just like the blank slate. Just like the way classes will fall away in time (and with some help from revolution), leaving only a Marxist paradise of happy classless people who will all work for the good of all. Just like the realism of holding the Earth's climate in stasis, just like the realism of meeting all our energy needs with ground-based solar and wind, just like the realism of changing sex via plastic surgery and steroids, just like the realism of funding a "social safety net" that will raise everyone out of poverty into a prosperity that requires no further effort from them on the backs of "the rich."

And people wonder why some of us are conservative.

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: Jamie at 10/15/25, 9:51 AM.

Indeed. And beautifully said.

And I must say: Jamie is -- day-in, day-out -- one of the absolute best commenters here at Althouse.

Clarity, precision, and a deft touch, just to begin.

I am Laslo.

Iman said...

Inga said, in response to:
“Is anyone really surprised by this?”

👉“No.
Not if they’ve been paying attention”👈

Paying attention when they aren’t murdering people, planning insurrection, attacking Jewish folks, performing “top” and/or “bottom” surgeries on pre-teens and adolescents, and the rest of their bag of sick tricks.

narciso said...

They were stupid but unlike the afty general candidate

narciso said...

So who leaked the messages

Rusty said...

Meh. Kids. Am I right?

Big Mike said...
"Kakistocracy said...

A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans

And the problem with young Democrats is that they grow up to be old communists."

The problem with young Democrats is they never grow up. Just loo at Kak. At what ever age he is he's still a not very bright 16 year old.

FormerLawClerk said...

I decided to ask Grok to translate some Latin for me:

"Falsus in uno. Falsus in ombnibus."

Not sure where I heard this phrase. I think it's a legal maxim.

Might have been from my law professor.

And this is why you don't spend your day fact-checking the retards at Politico.

narciso said...

Obviously they werent serious unlike dem lawmakers professors even scientists

rehajm said...

"A problem with young Republicans is they grow up to be old Republicans

…and this is of course why these hit pieces show up during election season. When you’re (way) behind you need to DO something. Well, they’re doing something. Grok won’t tell you this…

Birches said...

I actually agree with Achilles on this. Of course the Corporate Young Republicans are going to cut their losses and run. It's in their DNA. They don't care about context. Is it stupid to write those words down, even in jest? Yes. This is the reason why. HR doesn't care about context. But if politico doesn't release the full messages, it's obvious that the words don't mean what everyone thinks they mean. The exact opposite of the Jay Jones texts.

Beasts of England said...

Go long on strings of pearls. Plenty of them are being clutched so tightly that they’re sure to break… lol

Peachy said...

I've been to a few GOP/Conservative events over the years. No one ever talks like that.
In private - no one ever talks like that. No one thinks like that.
I have no idea what this is - need more context.

The left are looking for anything they can find to counter the reality of Antifa thugs(D), Charlie Kirk Murder, Attempted assassinations, beat-down and Doxxing all on the left, The violence against police and ICE agents -all on the left. The threats that come out of the left.

jim said...

For decades "young republicans" has been groups of irresponsible, tone deaf preppy types spewing garbage. Not to be taken seriously at all. (And anyway, as usual, they were just joking, duh.)

But fast forward to now and these little dweebs could easily be walking straight into big government jobs.

Peachy said...

Jamie 9:51
Excellent.

Dealing with it now. Elderly people in my orbit, including my own mother - are facing the horror show that is Democratic-Socialist Take-over of our health care. Our healthcare system has removed all freedom. No choices. That we've allowed ourselves to be suckered in to it. What a shame.

That these young boys are yammering on about awful stuff shows that our education system is just as bad.

Peachy said...

10:38 - Jim - you know this how?
Not all young republicans are like that. I'd say it's very few.

hombre said...

If these people were Democrats, they would immediately be elevated to the Party hierarchy.

narciso said...

Meanwhile the progs big buddies hamas are intentionally sending the wrong bodies back to the hostsges families they did it with the bibas family last time

PM said...

I recall hippies venerating Che, Mao and Fidel for the attention.

doctrev said...

That's very naughty, lads, what exactly did- oh, they're not releasing the full transcript? Well obviously it's a media op.

Mentally ill biddies like Derve and TBH are the primary audience for this, of course, but most commenters here would be much more pleasant to the New Hitler Youth, the Fuentes Femboys, and the Wild Bunch if only they could string up TBH first.

RCOCEAN II said...

Typical loser Republicans. Always cucking to the Leftwing MSM and trying to get their approval. People don't understand that the R's would be dead, dead, dead, if Trump hadn't come along.

When the MSM goes after them, the D's circle the wagons and don't give an inch. The R's surrender and throw their people under the wagons.

Remember the Covington Kids? These white kids were attending a Pro-life rally and did nothing but smirk at an Indian protestor. But once the MSM called them racists, the RNC and every Republican couldn't wait to join in and destroy them.

I dunno what will happen after Trump, but I fear the R will return to being the party of Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan.

narciso said...

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1978479753058537585 meanwhile

RCOCEAN II said...

And I don't care what young people say in a private chat. Young people like be edgy and say dumb things. No violence was done or planned. Meanwhile tell me all the D's that have been fired for bad language and attacking other groups. They practically danced in the streets after Trump was shot and Kirk was killed.

jim said...

Because I watched all of them, all the time, first hand.

Peachy said...

The Covington Kids were an example of exemplary behavior. The left turned it into the opposite. How vile.

To the left - a MAGA hat = we get to harass and even kill you.

RCOCEAN II said...

BTW, BTW, the RNC used to be headed by Michael Steele, who supported Hillary, Biden, and Harris. And spends all his time attacking the R's as racists. This guy was head of the Republican party!

The real point of the RNC is to get money from Big Donors. Maybe of whom are one-issue donors (Israel or lower taxes) and are liberal or indifferent on everything else. Look at the Addelsons or the Koch Brothers. I suppose that explains their attitude.

narciso said...

Yes steele was a dissapointment now hes become a bad joke

Peachy said...

Jim - "you've watched all of them" - Explain.

Eva Marie said...

“I dunno what will happen after Trump, but I fear the R will return to being the party of Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan.”
I so hope you’re wrong. Ironically sone of our greatest Republicans are former Democrats. Keep on coming over.

Kakistocracy said...

Of all the things I will read this week, this will be the least surprising.

Peachy said...
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Peachy said...

Good behavior is ignored.

I attended the Charlie Kirk Memorial in Fort Collins - and the crowd was amazing. Kind people who recognize the sacrifice Charlie made in the cause of free speech. We stood up and cheered the police. (a necessary police presence because of leftist threats of violence.) Leftists do not do cheer the police.

Jupiter said...

"William Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans’ vice chair, used the words “n--ga” and “n--guh,” variations of a racial slur, more than a dozen times in the chat."
Well, before we just fly right off the broomhandle here, maybe we should calm ourselves down and ask a simple question; is he black? Or I mean, is he Black? If he's Black, then it's not a problem, right? Am I missing something? If he's Black, then he's just expressing his lived Black besperience.
If he's white, he should be gassed, of course.

narciso said...

They dont want decent people look at their whole peanut gallery stupid ignorant and/,or vicious

n.n said...

Hitler was a left-wing ideologure. He exposed the authoritarian impulses, including: Diversity, ethnic Springs, redistributive change, Mengele dreamers, political congruence, abortive ideation, progressive liberalism, etc. Love him or hate him, he wasn't first.

narciso said...

They only showed what they wanted to, not what they needed to

narciso said...

The list of decent persons the party has abandoned is long

Iman said...

At first glance, Hendrix should hook up with Katie Porker (D-CA) and straighten her jellyass out.

Iman said...

“Of all the things I will read this week, this will be the least surprising.”

Says kak, pausing for a few keystrokes in his journey to self-awareness.

Jupiter said...

" Everyone participating in the chat and using racist language should be black listed by all GOP offices and affiliates. "

He said "b****-listed!" That's RAYCISSS!!

Peachy said...

It might be real. My suspicions kick in - because the left are so desperate to find any thread they can manipulate to over-compensate for their own failures and lack of popular policy. Honest policy.
"Jan 6th!" doesn't work like it used to.

narciso said...

Thats not his keyboard

Ampersand said...

The fact that young Kansas Republicans said bad things should alter our perspective on everything.

narciso said...

I would never use such language it shows a paucity of thought
But it was very sophomoric language

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