Zelensky came to Washington seeking long-range U.S. missiles that could strike Moscow and beyond. Trump sounded receptive to the proposal earlier this week after a series of calls with the Ukrainian leader. His tone changed after speaking with Putin on Thursday....
“I would much rather have them not need Tomahawks. I would much rather have the war be over,” Trump said before a private lunch....
October 18, 2025
"Enough blood has been shed, with property lines being defined by War and Guts. They should stop where they are."
Said President Trump, quoted in "Trump urges armistice at current battle lines in Ukraine after Zelensky meeting/The president said he wants both sides to stop where they are. Zelensky signaled openness to such a ceasefire as a starting point to talks" (WaPo)(free-access link).
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Is the use of "Tomahawk" racist, or just a malignant cultural appropriation?
The Art of the Deal.
Stop sending Tomahawks and weapons and the war will be over, duh. Would have been best if the US had stayed out. Let them fight it out w/their own weapons. We just prolong the inevitable, trying to bleed out "the other side" by running guns to the world. Not a good look for America, but our untalented financiers have to sell things to feed their families too. Too bad it's AMerica they are currently selling out...
They don't want peace.
They want to hate Trump.
This regional skirmish would have all been over in a month back in March 2022 if the US had sat this one out as we did when Obama refused to intervene in The Ukraine back in the day... No more weapons, no more wars. It take time to build back the stockpiles. Why is the US primarily exporting Death to the world these days? We're better than this. Get rid of the old people trying to kill their way to eternal life and earthly power? We are artificially prolonging their reigns too.
Trump needs those Tomahawks for Taiwan.
Watch "A House of Dynamite" when it starts showing on Netflix next Friday. Then consider that the Russians can't tell an incoming Tomahawk from a nuclear missile. You will understand why we shouldn't give Tomahawks to the Ukrainians.
"Look, Tom, a hawk!" Punch line from Boy's Life magazine, circa 1970.
Trump never disappoints, especially after Putin calls with instructions.
If Trump’s not worked out by now that Putin doesn’t want to negotiate then there is no hope he’ll ever understand.
Trump would rather have hatchets buried, than Tomahawks given.
It would be insane for us to give Ukraine missiles that can reach Moscow. If they get them, fine. But let them get them somewhere else.
Kak, your Trump-hate makes you stupid. Consider the possibility that Trump will have a freer hand to do what he wants if he first gives Putin chances that he rebuffs.
Trump is speaking softly and carrying a big Tomahawk.
Putin doesn’t care how much blood and guts it costs.
Per the Wapo: "As recently as August he was demanding Ukrainian territory that extends far beyond his current control, and some Russia experts say he is still seeking a broader subjugation of the country."
Fuckin' A - you can never get the MSM to say something straight as opposed to putting some Propaganda spin on it. "Far beyond his current control". LOL. Currently, Russia has incorporated Ukrainian 4 Oblasts. Two, Luhansk and Donetsk, are almost 90 percent under Russian occupation. Zaporizhia is 60 percent occupied. Kherson, except for the part over the Dnieper river, is all under Russian control. The part on the west side of the river, was voluntarily given up by Russia to allow an offensive elsewhere.
So, none of it is "far beyond his current control". It should be noted that the Russian has large amounts of territory near Kharlov and could take big hunks of Ukraine next to Belorussia anytime they wish. When the Russians broke through near Kharlov, Putin said he had no desire to take the city. The offensive was simply to push the UFA back from the Russian Border.
I assume if there's any "trading of territory" the Russians will withdraw from Ukrainian territory near Kharlov, and give up their claim to Kherson on the West side of the river, and in return get the rest of the other 3 oblasts.
It should be noted the russians are almost through the fortified urban defensive line in Luhansk and Donetsk and once they do its just open farm land all the way west to the Dnieper river.
BTW, if you've wondered why Miss Lindsey isn't on TV yapping constantly about foreign affairs and acting like he's secretary of state, its because he has to win the Republican primary next year. So he's doing his usual trick of laying low before an election and pretending his a conservative.
@Althouse, if you’re legitimately trying to understand what Trump is doing to negotiate and end to the war, I don't recommend the Washington Post as a place to get any genuine insights.
“I would much rather have them not need Tomahawks. I would much rather have the war be over,”
When is 'the gentle nudge' train leaving the station?
Trump needs to escalate from F bombs to G bombs.
Just so you know Russia's point of view, and how they are playing the cards they hold, they believe, and Macron has already said this, that if there is the "unconditional cease fire" that Zelensky is calling for, the moment it happens, Europe is going to pour troops into Ukraine, especially Odessa, which is in play, and after a few years of building up Ukraine's army again, another "incident" will happen, and Russia will be blamed, and the war starts again.
Germany is talking about a draft. Oh goody.
But it's much better not to think about what the other side is likely to do or what they might think about your "peace" offers, because "ours is not to reason why."
"Putin doesn’t care how much blood and guts it costs."
Nor does Zelensky, nor did Joe Biden. The last European leader who refused to accept the verdict from the battlefields, the suffering of his own people, and refused to make peace even as his armies collapsed, who was he and how did it turn out?
Somebody explain, is Putin bogged down and crawling slowly, kept to a snail's pace by Ukraines bedraggled army? Or is he a threat to sail across Europe to the channel the minute he defeats the army of Ukrainians. Or is Russia in demographic collapse and their army is reduced to fighting with shovels, and their economy is collapsed, and they can easily be defeated by missile attacks on their ports and refineries and so we should use US personnel and provide Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles that we "promise, cross our hearts and hope to die" don't carry nukes because "that would be stupid."
I guess whichever story you choose to believe is the one that is true!
Kak is right, though. Putin has no interest in any terms that the West is offering, and I think that at some level, Trump understands that, but the Europeans and the neocons will be working on Trump non stop, browbeating him to provide the missiles.
The problem is that Trump has now personally threatened Russia and since it takes years of training to operate the Tomahawks, it's been reported that we will use our own personnel to operate them, in attacks on Russia, well, that means if he does it now, he will have declared war on Russia, and there will be no denying it.
Remember when the Japanese ambassador declared war minutes before Pearl Harbor? That was "perfidy."
The tomahawk is a weapon fron the 90s, see under siege
Ethnic Springs
I like to think meeting by Hegseth was to pick out the Generals-Kong to ride those Tomahawks down from Ukraine !!
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