Updates at the NYT just now.
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🚨BREAKING: President Trump says Charlie Kirk’s killer was captured with help from the assassin’s father and a minister.
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) September 12, 2025
“Somebody that was very close to him turned him in. And that happens when you had some of those good shots.”
“It was a minister and the minister went to a… pic.twitter.com/3BXvM7887d
ALSO: People on X are focusing on this guy, who is awful whether he's the murderer or not:
MORE: I don't think the man in that video looks like the mugshot of the arrested man, Tyler Robinson.
This is the Prime suspect for Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
— Lozzy B 🇦🇺𝕏 (@TruthFairy131) September 12, 2025
Skye Valadez debated Charlie not long ago, had a song called "Charlie Kirk Dead at 31" on his Soundcloud, uses She/her pronouns on Facebook. Lives in the area. pic.twitter.com/4EicRhfjoe
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“Wars happen when your government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourself.” - Napoleon Bonaparte
Civil wars happen when you find out the enemy is of thine own household.
Good.
Do you think the NYT realizes just how out of the info loop they are? That the president has established a direct-to-consumer version of "news"? The "news" business has been reduced to quoting social media (is there a theme today?) or cable outlets that have the principle actors speaking for themselves.
Did ICE really kidnap the innocent brown soccer coach? Wait 10 minutes and ICE will be on X giving the actual warrant particulars for the criminal illegal alien. Kirk's murder is not the ONLY reason we have gone from from full tilt "jack booted thugs!" claims that were ubiquidous just recently to crickets. Consumers have fakenews fatigue and just tune the talking heads out until we get the facts from the people we hired to do the work. Those facts very rarely require correction later, unlike "news" stories from anonymous sources and "BLS statistics.".
I’m assuming those “good shots” were the surveillance photos of the suspect.
..."Mr. Doan disagreed with Mr. Kirk on nearly every issue and felt that many of his political statements — on gender, race, immigration — amounted to hate speech. But he was alarmed that Mr. Kirk had been killed....Now he fears right-wing backlash. “Everything is just kind of worrying right now,” Mr. Doan said...."
Yes, when a progressive leftist is the vicious assassin that slaughters the unarmed, peaceful conservative in front of his young children, we must always be concerned about the Conservative Reaction. We should all remain worried and deeply frightened of them, those haters.
What a contrast to the previous administration. Trump is everywhere, never tiring, always "on his game". And sending JD Vance to accompany the casket home.... These guys understand America and leadership.
"Now he fears right-wing backlash. "
Well, a good way to avoid this kind of pushback is to, and I know this is hard for you guys, not murder people in the name of your cause.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Famously exiled from his country to an island in sea, by the new leadership of the country of France.
Exile is common throughout history. Human beings know that sometimes, the best way to handle some people is to separate yourself from them. Exile this is called.
We can do this to Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama.
We are not required to allow them to shit all over our country and facilitate political assassinations by telling people that Democracy Itself is At Stake and that Donald Trump is Hitler and a Fascist Dictator.
We can throw these men the fuck OUT of our country the minute we grow the balls to do it.
"he fears right-wing backlash"
He goddamned well better. Because it's coming.
"The "news" business has been reduced to quoting social media
It's so much cheaper for the fucking Cheeto eaters to scroll Tik-Tok and Reddit all day and then plagiarize the news they find there written by others.
Why their advertisers continue to support this sort of shit "jounalism" is beyond me.
They're offering him a plea deal if he claims to be LGBTQ and voted for Harris.
We need a humiliating and cruel public execution.
that would happen if I could do it.
Would it deter the blood thirsty trantifa democratic terrorists?
Worth a try.
Peter Baker blaming Donald Trump now for Kirk’s political assassination, he’s upset of course Trump is gonna unleash the hounds. I wish.
Now we have to hear about motivations etc.
@Althouse, yesterday you wrote a post that seemed to rebuke Donald Trump for not taking a couple days to reflect and for not calling for unity. Then today Instapundit links to Chris Bray’s Substack, where he mined BlueSky for the hardcore left’s reaction. Thanks to Bray I read all sorts of justification for Charlie Kirk’s shooting, mostly as variations of “Kirk was a Nazi c*nt” and thus he deserved to be shot.
I think Trump is smarter than you or I, and more wise. There is no “unity” with people like that. They want war.
And to quote Jim Treacher (to whom I do subscribe), “ Murder Is Wrong, Even If You're Angry About Losing a Debate.”
Trying to get to the truth through the deluge of phantasmagoric propaganda that the Democrats rain down on us is like trying to get someplace in a hurry in LA traffic. I blame their dishonest propaganda, I mean for example "Abolish ICE" as a slogan, why not "Abolish Immigration Laws" instead? Well, because people might think on that one for a minute, it's this cult management propaganda that the Democrats use, to keep people from actually thinking, and to demonize the opposition, that leads to the kind of blind rage that keeps showing up from Democrat supporters.
And J6 was a false flag psy-op. Agent provocateurs are as old as civilization.
You richly deserve a George Kennedy level beating of Jeff Bridges in Feedbie and the Bean Kak. Check out YouTube.
Where was the assassin if his father located him? Had he tried to resume his normal existence as if nothing had happened? Or, if he was in hiding, how did Dad find him? Was he carrying his cell phone?
To the evil corrupt democratic collective terrorist left- Charlie Kirk's murder is already forgotten.-
And, by the grace of MSNBC, Elizabeth Warren and Governor Prickster, we must fucus on Jan 6th and the "right-wing backlash"
Shorter corrupt evil left: "You made us angry- we had to kill him. "
Whoops, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.
Bongo & Kash
A washed-up lawyer and his podcasting sidekick have become the hottest duo since Sly and Kurt. And if this buddy flick bombs at the box office, they can always send the critics to the slammer.
The switch has flipped.
It will not stop until the University system has been destroyed and remade. The entire public school education system is evil and corrupt and it has raised several generations of evil violent people.
There are millions of people who think killing Kirk was OK because of what he believed. They are evil.
If you cannot say that 99% of Trump supporters are GOOD people you are a piece of shit and it is time for you to go.
if he was in hiding, how did Dad find him?
Obviously, he wasn't in hiding. That's the thing about killing someone - you leave clues all over the place, even in your absence. Especially in your absence.
Dad knew the kid was nowhere to be found DURING the murder. Dad knew the kid's politics. Dad knew the kid may have been a transvestite pervert. Dad knew the kid had that same shirt. Dad knew the kid had rifle experience. Dad knew the kid suddenly showed up home AFTER the murder. Dad knew his rifle was missing (or son's).
Not too hard to put 2 and 2 together.
If what we're hearing about a pastor is true the kid may even have confessed to his father and priest already, knowing that he's destined for an eternity of fire and obviously wanting to get out of the consequences of his actions.
"We need a humiliating and cruel public execution." I don't know, some of those folks are so fucked up mentally, they would probably get off from that. It would only encourage some of them to do their worst just so they could get publicly executed and cum hard while it happens, in the ultimate orgasmic expression of death.
Bongo & Kash
Not since Starsky met Hutch has there been a more exciting duo. Tune in 11 am on your ABC network.
The suspect's name is Tyler Robinson.
If I was a Trump supporter, I would’ve wanted the most competent, qualified people in the most senior positions. But no. MAGA being MAGA, they wanted podcasters & social media influencers to entertain them with videos, costumes, culture war Fox hits, and a war on Cracker Barrel.
"Now he fears right-wing backlash. "
...you called down the thunder, well now you've got it! So run, you cur... RUN! Tell all the other curs the law's comin'! You tell 'em I'M coming... and hell's coming with me, you hear?... Hell's coming with me! --Wyatt Earp, Tombstone
"If I was a Trump supporter..."
If Kak was a Trump supporter, the median I.Q. of the entire class would drop by 11.73 percent.
Kak: "They're offering him a plea deal if he claims to be LGBTQ and voted for Harris."
Nah, we can just fake up an absentee ballot, bro. Like ya'll do.
"Mr. Doan disagreed with Mr. Kirk on nearly every issue and felt that many of his political statements — on gender, race, immigration — amounted to hate speech. But he was alarmed that Mr. Kirk had been killed....Now he fears right-wing backlash. “Everything is just kind of worrying right now,” Mr. Doan said...."
Doan is only afraid that we are going to fight back.
Doan is an actual authoritarian. The entire university system is full of people like this. He has been training an army to attack us. I feel bad for the kids he has brainwashed into fighting his fight.
But they must all be defeated.
A murder suspect: I killed because I am a transgendered lesbian and I had my dick cut off when I was eight and I have been on estrogen and antidepressants my whole life and I hate my parents and I am not accepted and I hate myself and wanted to make a statement about conservatives who made me understand everything I did to myself was because of leftest and woke BS.
democrats and the msm: Let’s not jump to conclusions, we may never know his/her/it/they/them’s motive.
war on Cracker Barrel.
I was there. On the front lines of that battle, sir. Deep in the South. Do not question us in our victories, you absolute cock-swaddle. Democracy and chicken fried gravy, was on the line that day my friend. But we live to tell the tale.
We’ve seen what was advertised as “competent and substantive” appointments in the past two Democrat administrations. If that’s your standard of excellence, then you’re hardly qualified to judge Trump’s appointees.
The guy who brings his own bullhorn may be a jerk, but I seriously doubt that he's a murderer or has anything to do with the murderer. Cowards who shoot unarmed speakers don't publicly confront their enemies.
Trump has been very judicious in commenting on this case when reporter's have asked him about it. OTOH this latest press conference I only caught a few minutes of in passing.
The issues are conflation of sex and gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes), DEIsm (i.e. class-disordered ideologies), excessive and illegal immigration, etc. And, of course, the entertainment of abortive ideation, past, present, and progressive.
Leftists are horrible people.
chris Murphy(D) is a horrible person
Van Hollen is a horrible person
Walz and Pritzker are horrible people.
They all argue in the same manner.
Like evil demons.
After the experience of Trump’s first term, his supporters wanted competent people first and foremost loyal to the agenda of the man they elected. Not officials trying to make their own mark in service to the bureaucratic state.
@FormerLawClerk, you mean chicken-fried steak with his gravy, I assume? I had some at the Cracker Barrel in Joliet, IL, about this time last year and them Northern Philistines hadn’t tenderized the meat before breading and frying. Whole damned chain can burn in Hell for all I care.
"It will not stop until the University system has been destroyed and remade."
Universities were a mistake. Academies - in the classical sense - were and are the way to go.
MAKE ACADEMIES GREAT AGAIN
Tyler Robinson, 22, St. George Utah.
Member of AOC and Bernie Sanders' Democrat Socialist of America party.
Turned in by his father, a priest, who identified him from the photo. He tried to return home, but eventually confessed to his father and the father contact the authorities to come arrest him.
He's seen in social media photos in DSA regalia.
So, we know where the fire is coming from now.
Kak - Go fuck yourself.
My husband found the parents Facebook accounts before they were shut down. They're not obvious lefties. Dad has a real from this summer of a vacation in Mexico. Son doesn't look trans.
Jaq: “ I mean for example "Abolish ICE" as a slogan, why not "Abolish Immigration Laws" instead?”
Excellent point. Surprised no one else has come up with it yet. Could do the same with “Defund the Police” vs “Legalize Guns, Drugs, Traffic Offenses, Selling Loose Cigarettes, Petty Larceny, etc.”. Pure genius. JSM
The FBI tactic of publishing the images worked and it didn't take long. They basically crowd sourced the man hunt. How is that incompetent?
Big Mike: from now on, before ordering, I will demand “do you guys beat your meat?” JSM
"Democrat Socialist of America party"
They just took action specifically designating them a terrorist organization. What comes next will come naturally.
Robinson is literally the embodiment of a Democrat loser and killer.
Still living in the basement of his parents house. Jobless. Member of the Democrat Socialists of America party, which is the far left "direct action" wing of the Democrat Party in America (all their elected representatives caucus with the Democrats). AOC fan. Bernie bro.
When Democrats need someone assassinated, these are the guys they call on.
FLC: “ Bongo & Kash/ Not since Starsky met Hutch has there been a more exciting duo. Tune in 11 am on your ABC network.”
Now that is funny. Bongino and Patel would probably roll with it and make their own 70s style video. Not right now, of course. JSM
You can't win, Kak...
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Turning Point USA indeed.
"Robinson is literally the embodiment of a Democrat loser and killer."
Indeed. But we all know the left are looking for any way out of this.
His dad was a cop! The corrupt left will use that.
It's always interesting watching people be sad and in even jn denial when an awful criminal looks NOTHING like they hoped he would. Both the right and the left play this game and its macabre but also hilarious.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, FLC at 8:16. Let's leave the Cheetos out of this.
"They just took action..."
I chose my words carefully. I guarantee you he is not a "lone wolf". There's already speculation he had help, possibly from within the crowd.
Fundraising and speech are political, murder is not. I promise you DSA coordination is involved, and if so, they just graduated.
Happy graduation! Here's your hellfire.
He looks like the older brother of the Paid Butler Patsy.
patsy pimple loser. For hire.
Lots of Antifa are covered in zits.
By the way, the NY Times slandered Kirk this morning calling him an anti-Semite in this story.
They've already issued a correction saying they had no evidence to back up such a libel.
But of course, the damage is already done, so hopefully the family is paying attention to the MASSIVE LAWSUIT they could being for slander against the New York Times.
Let's leave the Cheetos out of this.
Nobody ever said it would be easy to be that cheesy.
The orange-fingered idiot intelligentsia which represents our national media, with their Cheet-dust flecked T-shirts, bring disrepute upon everything Chester tried to build with that brand.
Press conference starting.
"Clay Travis Responds To Obama’s Statement On The Assassination Of Charlie Kirk: ‘You Caused This.’
I am tired of hearing people say, like Barack Obama did, like Hillary Clinton did, oh we condemn this violence. Guess what? You can’t call the President of the United States for 10 years Adolf Hitler, and you can’t say that he’s a fascist dictator, and you can’t say that anyone who voted for Trump or advocated for him like you, me, Riley, and Charlie Kirk are Nazis, and then when someone tries to kill us, you can’t suddenly say, oh we condemn this violence.
You caused it. Look at me right now. You caused this."
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Indeed.
Every elite democrat has blood on their hands.
All of them.
Tyler Robinson.
His family turned him in.
Former Law Clerk -
Charlie Kirk was called all sorts of libelous and untrue things by the evil demonic corrupt lying liar Democratic party elite./ Media assholes.(D)
"nazi, White nationalist.." all the things.
The left do not care. They lie and people die - and they do not care.
Inscribed on casing: Fascist.
I wait with baited breathe the explanation of how - with our Democracy at stake and Literally Hitler in the White House - why we shouldn't shoot more Republicans in the head.
Chuck Schumer has some 'splaining to do.
The democratic party sure do like to fling the word "Fascist" around.
1) they don't even know what it means
2) they act like authoritarian fascists at every turn.
crazy.
And let's get something straight. The FBI was on scene in 15 minutes and never found this guy.
Now arrest every professor and group on campus that groomed him and developed him as one of their chosen Dragon Teeth.
Someone should ask Joe Biden if he still thinks Antifa is 'just an idea'
FLC: You are being very unrealistic.
GARNER ALERT. WHOOP WHOOP. The FBI is garnering. Somebody wake up Ann.
I'm still pissed about how it was allowed to happen.
Surely someone saw this guy get on top of the roof.
What we really need to learn is how this kid was radicalized. What did he watch and read? I bet he watched MSNBC all the time.
FLC, you are being very unrealistic.
I am quoting Cash Patel. He said the FBI was on scene within 15 minutes and they could not find this guy. The father turned him in. He was not found by the FBI. The FBI now owes the father $100,000 of OUR dollars for doing the job we paid the FBI to do.
The shooter’s dad was looking to add the $100k reward to his IRA.
"What we really need to learn is how this kid was radicalized."
He was radicalized by Charles Schumer (D) Asshole.
FLC and Hump:
Are you guys parents? Can you imagine turning one of your kids in for a certain death penalty? It was the right thing to do, but very, very difficult.
The FBI would have got him eventually. And they found his roommate who gave them vital info.
Stop being assholes.
Surely someone saw this guy get on top of the roof.
Uh hey ... Socrates. That roof was slightly sloped, bro. No way anybody could get up there. - US Secret Service.
Who is sad about "how the killer looks?" Is 3D hallucinating again?
Can you imagine turning one of your kids in for a certain death penalty?
Absolutely. On both accounts. My kid did this, I'd probably kill him myself.
Kak lately seems like he found the key to his parents’ liquor cabinet.
Timeline, FLC. Dad notified FBI yesterday before the reward was offered.
Charlie Kirk was an incredibly nice person. He said that when people stop talking bad things happen and his entire message was that we need to engage. We need to have reason discourse.
I agree with Charlie Kirk on most things. But I disagree with Charlie Kirk on the need for reason discourse. I don’t believe that the leftist can be reasoned with. They only use and respond to force.
Charlie Kirk was the person that the leftists pretend they want. They pretend that they are reasonable and if Republicans are reasonable will all come To agreement and be peaceful.
It is all bullshit. I was right. You cannot reason with the left. They will never peacefully exist in a free high trust society. There are millions of people cheering for the murder of Kirk right now. Are universities and public education system are training killers right now..
What the left has done is it has ended the argument between me and the Republicans who think that you can reason with Democrats.
You have proven me right.
Bullet in the clip labeled “fascist”. Oh where oh where did the murderer get that idea? Why everyone in the Commie leadership in DC ….. and those governors across the country who continue label everyone with different ideas a fascist. Too many to list. You brought us here.
Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism - by Rachel Maddow (Hardcover)
check out the cover art.
Was Rachel Maddow's book in his possession?
FormerLawClerk said...
Can you imagine turning one of your kids in for a certain death penalty?
Absolutely. On both accounts. My kid did this, I'd probably kill him myself.
We need to go back to the time when the patriarch protected the honor of the family name
At Dave Begley. Yes I am a parent four times over. If my child did this, the signs were clearly visible early on. I would have turned him in quickly.
PS: My reward comment was sarcasm.
Peachy wrote; Peachy said...
"The democratic party sure do like to fling the word 'Fascist' around."
George Orwell wrote as far back as 1946: “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’."
Politics And The English Language
"We need to go back to the time when the patriarch protected the honor of the family name."
There is absolutely no honor in an assassin shooting someone from 200 yards away while their kids sit 12 feet from them.
NONE.
Prediction: the Kirk family will not go along with the death penalty for this assassin.
Breaking news is of course always subject to
updated
newer
better breaking news
"I am tired of hearing people say, like Barack Obama did, like Hillary Clinton did, oh we condemn this violence. Guess what? You can’t call the President of the United States for 10 years Adolf Hitler, and you can’t say that he’s a fascist dictator, and you can’t say that anyone who voted for Trump or advocated for him like you, me, Riley, and Charlie Kirk are Nazis, and then when someone tries to kill us, you can’t suddenly say, oh we condemn this violence."
Exactly! That's the whole point. You CAN'T say that, but you CAN say that the president is a lying Muslim who wants to destroy America and that every election you lose was "stolen" by the Chinese probably. This is so not a one-sided issue but each side is convinced it is.
I want to know if the guy in the video above is the murderer.
This isn't the end, or the beginning, of a dark time in our history.
It's the middle. It's been going on for decades. Democrats are OUT OF CONTROL and it's time we deal with this criminal organization.
"This is so not a one-sided issue but each side is convinced it is."
We're not seeking the correct answer to which side is right and which side is wrong.
We are beyond that.
We are simply done with you people and will engage with you no further. Fuck all the way off. Our goal is your removal from OUR society.
FormerLawClerk said...
"We need to go back to the time when the patriarch protected the honor of the family name."
There is absolutely no honor in an assassin shooting someone from 200 yards away while their kids sit 12 feet from them.
NONE.
I was agreeing with the statement that the father would have been justified in killing the son himself.
It would save the State a lot of resources if we properly decentralized the justice system.
But this would require a higher quality of patriarch than our society currently produces I fear.
The AAUP-who has blood on their hands for all the fatwas they have called upon Charlie Kirk-is now operating the typical leftist modus operandi:
1) Campus leftwing vionce is a myth.
2) Campus leftwing violence happens, but is rare.
3) Campus leftwing violence is common, but it's actually a good and necessary thing.
4) Campus leftwing violence supporters Campucondemn all violence and celebrations of Charlie Kirk's death is a myth.
5) Campus leftwing violence supporters have been celebrating his death, but is rare.
6)Campus leftwing violence supporters have been celebrating his death, and exposing it is bad.
Compare and contrast.
It is gross how most of the Althouse commentariat is so eager to see Mr. Kirk’s death as a way to declare war on the left. Althouse will surely quickly move on when it is discovered that the loser's motives (if he had any) do not connect him to the left. He looks like he is just another warped gun nut.
Showing up 15 minutes after a crime was committed at UVU is not actually soon enough to catch anyone. The university is right off I15, all right turns to get on the freeway and be gone. That kid was at least 10 miles away by the time the FBI arrived.
Chickelit - "ugly and inaccurate" that's the timeless evil that threads it's demonic way into the hearts of MSNBC watchers
Also, Ann is correct. The guy in the photo attached to this post doesn't look anything like the killer.
The killer is a dead ringer for Beavis, of Butthead fame.
"That kid was at least 10 miles away by the time the FBI arrived."
He was literally walking and had abandoned his vehicle, according to the FBI press conference that was just concluded. They've had his vehicle the whole time. He was not 10 miles away in 15 minutes.
“It is gross how most of the Althouse commentariat is so eager to see Mr. Kirk’s death as a way to declare war on the left.”
You may consider the left has already declared war on the Althouse commentariat.
Once written , twice..
Aren't you precious.
Your evil lying party and their media surrogates declared war on all normals... quite some time ago. Kirk's murder is just the manifestation of your party's lies, slander and destructive influences.
"I would’ve wanted the most competent, qualified people in the most senior positions."
What we have seen is that what passes for "competence" is insider connections and proven loyalty to people that the voters only dimly suspect exist who fancy themselves our true masters. We learned in 2016 that loyalty is far more important than long tenure in the deep state.
Yesterday
Charlie Kirk “was an advocate of nonviolence. That’s the way I’d like to see people respond.” ~ Trump
“We have radical left lunatics out there, and we just have to beat the hell out of them.” ~ Also Trump
'You CAN'T say that, but you CAN say that the president is a lying Muslim who wants to destroy America and that every election you lose was "stolen" by the Chinese probably.'
Now add up the assassinations/assassination attempts incited by the former vs. the latter and choke on your bothsidesism.
It appears that the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect is a 22-year-old white male Republican. So why does it feel like he's a transgender Democrat?
“It is gross how most of the Althouse commentariat is so eager to see Mr. Kirk’s death as a way to declare war on the left.
They murder us.
And then claim we are doing the warring.
That is how you do a guerilla war. Gaslighting of this sort is a tried-and-true method of generating sympathy for your guerilla actions. The Democrats are very good at it and they are winning.
It's even more an effective strategy if you can get the media to parrot your gaslighting, and the evidence suggests that the guerillas have a LOT of co-conspirators embedded in our elite media groups.
"when it is discovered that the loser's motives (if he had any) do not connect him to the left."
Projection. And I will agree with you on one things, these fascists that have taken over the Democratic Party, have little to do with "the left," their cheerleading for the neocon wars overseas should have been a clue.
Kak - here we go. You have some proof? Strange how so many republicans want to kill republicans.
"It appears that the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect is a 22-year-old white male Republican."
See. Kak's gaslighting is part of the strategy I just mentioned. This is old-hat guerilla war stuff straight out of Cuba and the parts of Africa from where Barack Obama was born.
"It appears that the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect is a 22-year-old white male Republican."
I am sure he claims that to try, in his simple minded way, to deflect the blame from his side, but actions speak louder than words.
D.D. Driver said...
Exactly! That's the whole point. You CAN'T say that, but you CAN say that the president is a lying Muslim who wants to destroy America and that every election you lose was "stolen" by the Chinese probably. This is so not a one-sided issue but each side is convinced it is.
DD Driver is right.
Now, finally, Republicans and Democrats both think the other side is a threat to freedom in the country.
Obama was not a Muslim. He was an evil godless person who used racist policies and abused government authority to try to install a fascist state.
Obama was an integral actor in creating a violent army of radical leftists who believe in State seizure of property and redistribution. Obama will never come out and say that Trump's policies will have acceptable results for his people. Obama will never come out and say that Trump and his followers are not racist.
Obama will never come out and say his political opponents are good people and we need to work with them after they win elections.
Charlie Kirk was the Republican that said we need to talk to democrats and reason with them.
He got shot.
Democrats are absolutely evil and they are absolutely a threat to our freedom. The entire party. All of them.
No. "It is gross how" leftists keep killing peaceful debaters. FIFY
If true, a fugitive on the run was caught within 36 hours of the event. 48 hours is the typical benchmark.
Obama was not a Muslim
Ever? That's not how his father saw it.
"We are simply done with you people and will engage with you no further. Fuck all the way off. Our goal is your removal from OUR society."
This is right out of the antifa playbook and what was Kirk was fighting against. Anyone who steps out of line is a "Nazi." You assume I am somehow a "lefty" (whatever equivalent you have to calling someone a Nazi) who you suggest deserves violence (removed from society!).
For my words. Without a shred of irony.
Rightwing antifa. The juicy irony is that the Founding Fathers would have hung your authoritarian ass upside down by a tree and gutted you like a fish. And, Charlie Kirk would have thought you are a knob.
Once written, twice... said...
It is gross how most of the Althouse commentariat is so eager to see Mr. Kirk’s death as a way to declare war on the left. Althouse will surely quickly move on when it is discovered that the loser's motives (if he had any) do not connect him to the left. He looks like he is just another warped gun nut.
We are over that.
We are going to treat you the same we you treated us. Get fucked.
Funny how many Democrats sill maintain that 2016 and 2024 were "stolen" and not just blog commenters, but people in leadership positions in the Democratic Party.
It's all projection with you guys, all of it is projection, to keep people from being able to think clearly about what is and is not true. It's how cults operate.
..."Kash Patel, the embattled F.B.I. director who has drawn criticism for his handling of this investigation, immediately thanks President Trump when stepping up to speak at a news conference — in keeping with his pattern of lavishing public praise on the man who elevated him from podcasting to one of the top law enforcement jobs in the federal government...."
That's the NYT, reporting on the arrest of a suspect less than 48 hours after the assassination, assuming that the FBI had nothing to do with it. That's what they consider appropriate as news. Not that they would do any 'embattling' themselves, you understand.
So, average white boy? No foreign ethnicity? So far no LGBTQ connection? And while you could find dozens of suspects on the internet based on their posts, this case required someone who knew the killer IRL for a solution. On the other hand, though, did he find a home at USU's DSA chapter? So maybe he wasn't an anomic loner?
Is it so surprising that the authorities weren't able to immediately catch the killer? Crowds and chaos, and he had a head start. 60 years ago, everyone was watching the Kennedy assassination aftermath on television, and Oswald still had time to go downtown, catch part of a movie, and shoot a policeman. The killer this time was seen on video limping down a residential street, an advance over Kennedy-era law enforcement.
But not by the Chinese, of course, but by the "Russians"
You guys should try a little harder, but the little commenting workbooks that you probably work from are no doubt kept simple so as not to lose you short attention span types.
Once written, twice... said...
It is gross how most of the Althouse commentariat is so eager to see Mr. Kirk’s death as a way to declare war on the left. Althouse will surely quickly move on when it is discovered that the loser's motives (if he had any) do not connect him to the left. He looks like he is just another warped gun nut.
Seriously? I'm sorry for the impolite discourse... Are you a useful idiot or just an idiot?
"It appears that the Charlie Kirk shooting suspect is a 22-year-old white male Republican."
I saw Jaq and FLC quote this unidentified dipshit. The suspect in custody is a DSA just like Zohran, Bernie and AOC and lives in a relative's basement like they did too.
D.D. Driver said...
"We are simply done with you people and will engage with you no further. Fuck all the way off. Our goal is your removal from OUR society."
This is right out of the antifa playbook and what was Kirk was fighting against. Anyone who steps out of line is a "Nazi." You assume I am somehow a "lefty" (whatever equivalent you have to calling someone a Nazi) who you suggest deserves violence (removed from society!).
A. We have a capitalist society with economic freedom.
B. We have a socialist society.
All your moral arguments are stupid. This is war now. Pick one side or the other.
For my words. Without a shred of irony.
Rightwing antifa. The juicy irony is that the Founding Fathers would have hung your authoritarian ass upside down by a tree and gutted you like a fish. And, Charlie Kirk would have thought you are a knob.
I disagreed with Charlie on this. He was a good person. But he was wrong about the left. You cannot reason with them and they will not peacefully coexist in a free capitalist society.
"Kirk was a close Ally of Trump "says the NYT
That's leftists NYT speak for - he deserved to die.
“Rightwing antifa. The juicy irony is that the Founding Fathers would have hung your authoritarian ass upside down by a tree and gutted you like a fish.”
Thank you for showing us terrible people on the right the way a superior human being (like yourself) should respond to people they disagree with.
“Absolutely. On both accounts. My kid did this, I'd probably kill him myself.”
“We need to go back to the time when the patriarch protected the honor of the family name.”
Honor killings anyone? Is this the new face of conservatism? To emulate Sharia Law?
" Oswald still had time to go downtown, catch part of a movie, and shoot a policeman."
You know that it wasn't Oswald, whose last words, captured on camera before he was killed before he could talk to much, were "I'm a patsy! I need a lawyer!"
It wouldn't surprise me at all that the murder of RFK was to deny him the power to investigate his brother's murder, and the guy who ramrodded the coverup in Congress, Ford, was rewarded with the Presidency after they similarly removed Nixon from power, for the same crimes of believing that he was actually the man in charge of foreign policy.
FLC is just a fountain of misinformation about history. The French did not exile Napoleon either to Elba or St. Helena.
The places and conditions of both exiles were decided by the victorious Allies--in 1815 specifically the most powerful, the most constant, and the most generous of them.
No argument is improved by reference to historic events that never happened.
DD scolding others for "not living up to" a standard, which of course he does not adhere to either, is quoting Saul Alinsky ("accuse your enemy of failing to follow their own rules")
to try and shame people here. What a marxist tool.
D.D. Driver said...
"We are simply done with you people and will engage with you no further. Fuck all the way off. Our goal is your removal from OUR society."
You guys just killed Charlie Kirk. A nice guy.
This is what your small reptile brains squirts out?
We got the message, DD(D) - You and your corrupt team want us all dead.
We know.
So after days of the Althouse commentariat blaming and vilifying Democrats and trans people for Kirk’s murder despite having no clue who the person was, we find out it’s a white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loved guns.
Trump may have appeared on Fox to quell rumors he had a stroke. (See 9/11 memorial footage.)
"So far no LGBTQ connection?"
Nope, just MSNBC connections. Maddow fan boi. AOC accolyte. Bernie Bro.
Radicalized by the left-wing companies in America like NBC and CNN who are making big bank destroying the country. It's time for Donald Trump to nationalize some of these organizations and clean house. Maybe in two or three murders that are planned for the next few months ... once those occur ... Trump will be forced to act. So far he's been pretty weak toast.
The killer appears to disdain the gays. He wrote on one of the bullets: "If you can see this, you're gay."
But of course, he lived with another man ... soooooooo you know. If you know you know. So he's clearly using "gay" as a pejorative.
He's definitely an incel simp. He looks exactly like Beavis (sort of a young Beto O'Rourke) and no chick finds that attractive.
If we declare "war on the left," it's a metaphor, and our true enemy is not "the left," it's this fascist movement that has taken over the Democratic Party, that seeks to utterly destroy all opposition, like Hitler did. You guys are the ones using violence.
DSA = DEMOCRAT Socialists of America, right? He's a lefty trans-supporting socialist scum, squarely on your side of the spectrum numbnuts.
Kaki, you have to know how lame that point is.
Ha ha ha ha ha! You never getting your beloved Joe Biden kakistocracy back, no matter how fervently you wish for it.
Inga is here to defend the Assassin.
A lot of people want this guy dead. It's not sharia law - it's human nature.
He just murdered someone - you twit. In the most public and horrific way possible. He killed Charlie Kirk On behalf of your party's insanity and over-the top hate-filled lies & rhetoric.
Now -- Inag - off you go to Read your favorite TV network's Terrorist Manual .
btw- We are still waiting for you to provide the Jan 6th Trump quote that you claimed inspired violence.
When a liberal is murdered, we shouldn’t speculate about the political motives of the killer. When a conservative is murdered, it’s important that we immediately blame the left.
“DD scolding others for "not living up to" a standard, which of course he does not adhere to either, is quoting Saul Alinsky ("accuse your enemy of failing to follow their own rules")
to try and shame people here. What a marxist tool.”
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
“Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.”
George W Bush
Regarding my comment at 8:49, it should read “chicken-fried steak with white gravy.” Done properly, you should be able to feel your arteries hardening as you eat it.
Damned Auocorrect.
If you have stock in Bluesky ... I'd recommend selling. Their entire user base is getting fired for their murder cheerleading posts that they post under their real name accounts.
The best way to deal with an annoying little twit like Kaki is to just ignore him. He is trying to irritate people.
Kak, Inga, and the Bluesky left are trying to shift the blame onto Republicans, because of course they are. I can't wait to see people like that run out of the country the way British Loyalists were. Maybe the survivors can set up shop in Canada. For a while.
"From a Republican family" but spewing left wing talking points, and calling people fascists.....
FormerLawClerk said...
If you have stock in Bluesky ... I'd recommend selling. Their entire user base is getting fired for their murder cheerleading posts that they post under their real name accounts.
9/12/25, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that President Trump planned to seize their servers and arrest the IT people.
"The places and conditions of both exiles were decided by the victorious Allies--in 1815 specifically the most powerful, the most constant, and the most generous of them."
Details. Mere details.
The point is that people have been exiling political troublemakers like Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer for centuries and we can still do it today.
We just have to grow some fucking testicles.
Inga said...
“Absolutely. On both accounts. My kid did this, I'd probably kill him myself.”
“We need to go back to the time when the patriarch protected the honor of the family name.”
Honor killings anyone? Is this the new face of conservatism? To emulate Sharia Law?
Part of the reason that you and I cannot live peacefully is that you are a dishonest piece of shit.
I was talking about a father who found out his son killed Charlie Kirk.
You want to pretend I mentioned Sharia law, which I have repeatedly said is abhorrent and evil. Further it is you that supports Sharia Law in the US. You want to import Muslims. You call us racists when we point out what Muslims do everywhere they go.
People like Inga do no belong in a free country. They will do everything they can to dishonestly abuse the freedom others give them until they can take power and take our freedom away.
Again Inga - You dare to come here and pretend to be innocent. You are as leftist as leftist can be - and we have the receipts.
You swallow whole every democrat party lie and hate-filled slander - and regurgitate it here - year after year.
No Bible verse will wash you clean.
Speaking of a lie - Inga - We are all still waiting for you to provide the Jan 6th Trump quote that you claimed inspired violence.
Maybe you should be quoting that to your friends over at BlueSky, Inga, instead of coming over here when one of your people commits a public murder of a beloved figure, because you are worried that people might get mad, when the goals was to intimidate us into silence.
Kak - what liberal was murdered?
“I can't wait to see people like that run out of the country the way British Loyalists were.”
Don’t hold your breath, this is still a Representative Democracy/ Republic. Rant until your face turns purple.
Inga quoting George W Bush. Would that be BusHitler?
Kakistocracy said...
When a liberal is murdered, we shouldn’t speculate about the political motives of the killer. When a conservative is murdered, it’s important that we immediately blame the left.
Your bullshit lies are falling on deaf ears.
I beg people on the center and the right to tell me I am wrong. I would beseech anyone here who thinks we should give one shred of grace to these people.
But if you do you have to point out a single place where they did the same for us in good faith.
They cannot even say Charlie Kirk was a good person until he is dead and even then they are acting in bad faith.
FormerLawClerk said...
By the way, the NY Times slandered Kirk this morning calling him an anti-Semite in this story... But of course, the damage is already done, so hopefully the family is paying attention to the MASSIVE LAWSUIT they could being for slander against the New York Times.
In most, if not all jurisdictions you cannot defame the dead, libel or slander.
in the United States, you generally cannot slander a dead person because defamation requires an injury to a living person's reputation, which the deceased no longer possesses. While such statements are considered reprehensible and may harm the memory of the deceased or impact the family, they do not constitute legal defamation.
However, living family members may have a cause of action if the defamatory statements also harm their own reputations.
Why Defamation of the Dead Is Not Allowed
Personal nature of defamation: The core purpose of defamation law is to protect an individual's reputation from damage. Since a deceased person no longer has a reputation in the legal sense, there is no living person to be defamed.
No legal standing: Only living individuals can initiate defamation lawsuits. A dead person's estate or family cannot sue on their behalf, as the right to sue for defamation does not typically "survive" the death of the plaintiff.
Potential Avenues for Harmed Survivors
Direct defamation of survivors: If the false statement made about the deceased also defames a living family member or associate by harming their reputation, that living person may have their own defamation claim.
Right of publicity claims: In some cases, family members or estates of deceased personalities may pursue claims for post-mortem violations of the right of publicity if their commercial value or image was exploited without permission.
Emotional distress: While not defamation, families experiencing distress from statements made about their deceased relatives may explore other legal avenues depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction, particularly in certain international legal contexts.
What If the Defamed Person Died Before Suing?
In many states, a defamation lawsuit filed by a living person would end if that person died before the case went to judgment. However, the specific laws (known as survival statutes) vary by state, and in some instances, a claim might continue under specific conditions.
"This is still a Representative Democracy/ Republic
Oh no, no, no. It's not Inga. Have you not been listening to your Democratic leadership? America is a Dictatorship now. Literally Hitler is occupying the White House. Democracy was at stake and it lost the last election. It's gone now.
We are all Fascists now and you know what that means for your side, right?
It means up against the wall.
doctrev said...
FormerLawClerk said...
If you have stock in Bluesky ... I'd recommend selling. Their entire user base is getting fired for their murder cheerleading posts that they post under their real name accounts.
9/12/25, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that President Trump planned to seize their servers and arrest the IT people.
If he is not doing this then he is not serious and this issue will never be dealt with.
The leftist guards are on Soviet speech crime patrol.
don't anyone dare say we'd like to kill the killer.
Kakistocracy said...
When a liberal is murdered, we shouldn’t speculate about the political motives of the killer. When a conservative is murdered, it’s important that we immediately blame the left.
Apparently this typing chimp has been stricken amnesiac since he spent 10,000 words telling us the MN killer was "right wing" and "MAGA" and enthusing about Crooks alleged registration as a Republican even though his family and friends say he "hated Trump."
Please do lecture us now on how to properly react to leftist murderers, oh Hypocrite and Scribe.
Wince misses the point.
In most, if not all jurisdictions, you can make the New York Times eat shit for months on end while you drag them through the mud with your pointless lawsuit and ultimately get rich through a huge 7-figure payout to drop your suit due to the bad publicity it will generate for the New York Times.
The process is the punishment, pal.
We've learned that from them.
Of course WE didn't cheer on the MN murders they way the socialist left has celebrated Charlie's death. But that's just quibbling about details.
FormerLawClerk said...
And let's get something straight. The FBI was on scene in 15 minutes and never found this guy.
9/12/25, 9:13 AM
15 minutes? So, 14 minutes after the killer had gone. They also got delayed in looking for him because someone falsely confessed.
They put out photos and his father recognized him. What did you want them to do? Follow his trail with bloodhounds? They already knew where he went and what car he drove. I think they would have been able to track him down eventually with what they had, but his father saw the photos and convinced his son to turn himself in.
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