Charlie Kirk is all "White college indoctrinated women will ruin America if we let them. They are brainwashed. They are completely indoctrinated. The worldview that is being uploaded to young women on a daily basis is hyper-narcissistic, hyper-selfish. I am the only one that matters. Who are you to tell me how I should act? And it makes them miserable. I do not know how to solve this problem. I am open to suggestions."
I'll give you a suggestion, Charlie. Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved. Problem solved.
Just a suggestion!
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"Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." '
That's not what I heard. He focused on the wide spread indoctrination effort. He also did not seem to "go right for the solution". Instead he said he did not know the solution.
I think the word "indoctrinated" gives him enough weasel room to defend his observation. He's not targeting all white college-educated women.
It's clear the sexes are diverging ideologically at the college age. Obviously, an opinion-giver on the right will identify the more progressive group as the problem to be solved.
If you got girl problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.
Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved. Problem solved.
Just had a flashback to college in the '70s!
I just watched a funny YouTube short about a woman who went on "The Forum" where women would go and talk about the men they were dating, and she discovered that she and all of the local women on The Forum were dating the same small number of men, who were just using them to "smash" as the zoomers call it. These men have solved the "female mind," perfectly crafted their profiles and their Instagram accounts, and they are deeper in pootang than Tampon Corp. The women aren't that happy about it.
Just calm down.
Women, like Russia, are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
"I think the word "indoctrinated" gives him enough weasel room to defend his observation."
I'm not interested in defensive weasels. He has a problem and — following the male stereotype — he feels the need to fix it. He stays on track, framing a problem and seeking a solution. I'm a female observing that he's doing that and offering him a different problem and a solution to go with it. If that's too complex and feeling-oriented, good! That's the idea.
When Hayek and Karl Marx
Are exchanging deep soul kisses.
It still won't end the war
Between you and your missus.
Burma Shave.
It's not about the nail
(Young) women trying to live their own lives is a problem? Presented as a problem overlaid on shots of hollywood glamor crap.
Media hack takes other media hackery as reality. Lots of that going around.
I read the summary and assumed 'this problem' was the indoctrination, and that's what he can't figure a solution to. Perhaps women don't see the indoctrination and don't consider it (if it exists) a problem to be solved.
"The worldview that is being uploaded to young women on a daily basis is hyper-narcissistic, hyper-selfish."
Uploaded by who?
" I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one."
I have been doing some "gorillas in the mist" exploring YouTube shows on dating today, and one theme that comes up consistently is that women find the men that don't give a fork what they think especially hot.
After you watch enough of them, you can go back and listen to the popular songs of the seventies in a whole new light. In the seventies, a boomer might have writen a touching song, you know, like "I Love You Too Much to Ever Start Liking You," which recently came up in Spotify, and a zoomer says: "Friend zoned!" Speaking of that, you could re-write that song from Bread, Diary: "I watched her TikTok underneath a tree..."
Charlie's delivery may be a bit blunt, but it seems obvious he's speaking broadly, and I don't think he's wrong. There's a reason we see this divergence in ideological differences between the NORMALs and the AWFULs, and all signs put to what modern college campuses have become.
Schumpeter: pre/post-humous love child of Friedrich and Karl
I think it was Jordan Peterson's conversation with Camille Paglia a few years back when he talked about this. He said the liberal young woman wasn't a problem men could solve; it was up to the women. However, like his wife, the mature women had full lives. They were busy. No judgment, just the facts.
Here are the 2024 winners of the South Carolina Federal Credit Union Scholarships. Scroll down.
https://www.scfederal.org/scholarship-winners-2024
No problem here to be solved.
I usually tell unruly chicks to just calm down.
Stay in your lane, Zippy.
"Women are not a "problem" to be "solved."
assumes facts, not in evidence
Its hard to tell from the quote what exactly Kirk is talking about is he discussing female college graduates who are now in the workforce or girls in college? Is he attacking their political views or their selfishness in general?
In any case, you cant de-program someone who's been brainwashed by education and the media, without controlling the media and De-programming them. Or control the education industry and changing its viewpoint.
Conservatives like Kirk do neither and have no desire or ability to change that.
Ann Althouse said: "I'm a female observing that he's doing that and offering him a different problem and a solution to go with it. If that's too complex and feeling-oriented, good! That's the idea."
Granted, men gotta mansplain. What's the distaff version of that word?
At the risk of mansplaining, Kirk is not saying that all young, White, college educated women are indoctrinated, brainwashed, narcissistic, selfish and miserable. Some are, and they are causing problems for everyone. Kirk has no solution to propose.
The number of young, college educated women who are unhappy, depressed, on SSRI's or taking other serious medications indicate that Kirk is on to something.
The women to whom Kirk refers, will not accept that there is no longer a problem to be solved. They demand action, and will not be dismissed. That's part of the problem.
The other part of the problem is that the rest of the world has to change to fix their problem.
Women are not a "problem" to be "solved."
The “Karen’s” among you certainly are.
Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male.
Which is why men are superior, of course. Our species would have gone extinct millennia ago otherwise.
Kirk: You women need to be less selfish
Althouse: we are not a problem to be solved
Kirk: So whats the solution?
Althouse: If you knew women you'd know that
Kirk: Sorry, I dont actuallly know any women. Im a conservative pundit.
What's the distaff version of that word? Distaffsplaining.
Married men are working more and doing more housework than ever. So I don't see how young unmarried women are the problem. In fact, I think young women have it just about the worst of all us. The young men are sissies and losers. The gross porn these men consume make them totally unsuitable as partners. And so on. Instead, I think married women are the source of most of our society's problems.
Correction. Dissatisfaction-prone married women...
I'll give you a suggestion, Charlie. Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved. Problem solved.
Just a suggestion!
The problem is that women think you can have a bunch of freedoms with no responsibility.
This is toxic to society.
As someone who pushed feminism for most of her life this problem was caused by University professors like Ann so she is mad when Kirk correctly points out that this problem is her fault.
We now have multiple generations of women who have been girl bossing for 20 years and looking down on the men who made their coddled lives possible. We are also about to start eliminating all of the BS make work bureaucracy university and HR jobs that gave these women social status and money in air conditioned comfort but produced no wealth for society.
But at a fundamental level women decided they had no responsibility to society and that is leading to declining birth rates. Men still have to protect and build, but there are no children to inherit. The men becoming women thing was an attempt to hide this.
At some point women will accept their responsibility to society or society will die. But of course pointing this out makes college educated women mad.
Women want to talk about problems. Men want to solve them.
Spiros said, "In fact, I think young women have it just about the worst of all us."
Women - all women - have never had it so good in the entire history of planet earth as they have it now.
Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind.
Good advice. Leave ‘em be. Nod a bit. Just don’t help those women get to positions where there are problems that need solving…
Jim says "(Young) women trying to live their own lives is a problem?"
No the problem is people...women especially included.....trying to tell everyone else HOW to live THEIR lives. Whining, yelling, and threatening if people don't comply with their narrow, inexperienced, uninformed, indoctrinated views.
I'm a woman and I say to the young women...STFU and grow up.
Ann Althouse said...
"I think the word "indoctrinated" gives him enough weasel room to defend his observation."
I'm not interested in defensive weasels. He has a problem and — following the male stereotype — he feels the need to fix it. He stays on track, framing a problem and seeking a solution. I'm a female observing that he's doing that and offering him a different problem and a solution to go with it. If that's too complex and feeling-oriented, good! That's the idea.
This entire conversation revolves around the fact that men and women are different. The solution is not to make the problem more complex and feeling oriented. It is to clearly state that men and women can do different things and that we both have responsibilities.
Men and women both have reciprocal duties. Don't steal, don't lie, be faithful to relationships etc. We can leave those out of this discussion.
Men have to sign up for the draft and defend our society. We have a monopoly on force and this means a responsibility. Men take all of the hard jobs that build and maintain our infrastructure and produce the air conditioned havens that women can work in. Those are the non-reciprocal responsibilities we have.
Since you want to play games here lets play a game. What is the one non-reciprocal responsibility women have to society? What one thing can women do that men cannot do?
And bonus question is why was it white women who were the foot soldiers in the malicious and evil effort to convince everyone men could get pregnant?
At the rate things are going demographically, handmaids would do better trying on hijabs and burkhas then messing with headgear taken from Little House On The Prairie.
"But at a fundamental level women decided they had no responsibility to society and that is leading to declining birth rates."
Who is it who's decided that waiting until their mid-thirties to have kids is viable and a reasonable approach to raising a family?
He’s not wrong, though. 10 years of hysteria has taken a huge emotional toll on Prog young (well, closer to middle-age now) women. Spend your formative years in the Klan and you’ll probably end up a virulent racist. Not terribly surprising and, probably, no road back to rationality. So, relax and enjoy the absurdity of it all.
"Women are not a "problem" to be "solved."" Not quite what he said though. Speaking of framing.
But I'd say we have political and relational problems: as a right-leaner, I think liberal female, especially single high-ed liberal female, preferences threaten the direction I favor, and as someone concerned about population collapse, I think we do have relational problems, in part caused by newish female expectations.
Regarding the birth rate.
I suggest you look at housing prices and factor in that fact It usually takes both parents working to afford one. Assuming one can be afforded. Throw in child care, etc. and its difficult to have a kid and raise one. Why housing prices so high? The sainted immigrants. They aren't making anymore land.
My father had a house and raised a family on one average income. We needed both my income and my wife's above-average income, to do the same. My daughter will probably need help from us just to get a house.
Its not just the culture, its economics.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Jim says "(Young) women trying to live their own lives is a problem?"
No the problem is people...women especially included.....trying to tell everyone else HOW to live THEIR lives. Whining, yelling, and threatening if people don't comply with their narrow, inexperienced, uninformed, indoctrinated views.
I'm a woman and I say to the young women...STFU and grow up.
There it is. DBQ boiled it down perfectly.
Rich college educated women decided they wanted to preen and condescend and girl boss rather than have children.
Everyone is tired of Karen. Karen will fix herself or everyone else is going to fix her. It looks like Karens are deciding they will faceplant in humiliation while everyone laughs at them though.
Speaking of problems to be solved, I'm reminded of St. Greta of Thurnberg's famous quote, "Our job is to demand solutions, not to provide solutions."
See? Women demand solutions, not provide them. So men, I say to you, why aren't you working harder to solve women's problems? I mean c'mon...GET CRACKIN'!
The trouble with ideologues this young (31) is that they seldom have much perspective on life yet because they haven’t lived that long. The ups, the downs, tragedies, the good times the bad times, and blah, blah, blah . They haven’t lived through any of that as adults yet. And Kirk's not alone in that either. Some of them grow out of it and some don’t and young Charlie is not there yet. Listening to guys like Kirk is like reading an undergrad term paper about forming a perfect world government. If Kirk is smart and has a good heart and can learn from experience he may yet figure it all out. Writer/pundits like Nick Fuentes never will though because it’s hard to gain wisdom if you’re stupid. Those on the far-Left are usually even worse.
How do you keep a wave upon the sand?
How do you solve a problem like College educated wimmin?
How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?
Mason G said...
"But at a fundamental level women decided they had no responsibility to society and that is leading to declining birth rates."
Who is it who's decided that waiting until their mid-thirties to have kids is viable and a reasonable approach to raising a family?
Feminism was designed by a small number of elite men for a small number of elite men. Just look at the goals and results of feminism:
1. Sexual "liberation." Women now get to have sex with all the men they want until they are mid thirties during their reproductive years. But they invariably all choose the top 20% of men and this creates the incel problem.
2. Free abortions. Don't want to burden the elite men now do we?
3. Elite men put their harems in charge of the other men that work the jobs that produce wealth and train the next generation. Bureaucracy, University administrators, and HR are just job programs for women who keep the elite men in power.
@Achilles, there is absolutely an aspect of feminism that was designed by elite women for elite women. Elite women couldn't hope to do so well as to eliminate class and positional threats to their own children than to push a philosophy that by any current measure is making huge swaths of its female adherents effectively sterile and unapproachable.
Feminist professors and the college experience from an articulate young woman who lived it 5 years ago. One can only imagine what it's like now. Well worth the read. Nothing to see here...
https://hollymathnerd.substack.com/p/by-reader-requests
“Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved.”
True enough men tend to think as problem solvers. But men apply that inherent approach not only to women but also other men, cats and dogs, power tools and appliances, etc.
Step into female mind and find yourself walking on layer of eggshells supported by air resting on a vacuum? Historically the traffic was in the opposite direction. Men create a house with a firm foundation so women can step through the door and settle in.
I see yer problem, lady!
Most modern women today don't want a help-mate. They want a servant.
Just a suggestion
Isn’t that so like a woman?
- Krumhorn
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” T.S. Eliot
And Eliot had never met the modern AWFL.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Jim says "(Young) women trying to live their own lives is a problem?"
No the problem is people...women especially included.....trying to tell everyone else HOW to live THEIR lives. Whining, yelling, and threatening if people don't comply with their narrow, inexperienced, uninformed, indoctrinated views.
I'm a woman and I say to the young women...STFU and grow up.
4/3/25, 8:34 AM
THIS^^^^
RideSpaceMountain said...
@Achilles, there is absolutely an aspect of feminism that was designed by elite women for elite women. Elite women couldn't hope to do so well as to eliminate class and positional threats to their own children than to push a philosophy that by any current measure is making huge swaths of its female adherents effectively sterile and unapproachable.
Excellent point.
The aristocracy always strengthens their position and females naturally think about their children more so as a biological imperative.
This will be incorporated into the narrative.
"RCOCEAN II said...
Kirk: You women need to be less selfish
Althouse: we are not a problem to be solved
Kirk: So whats the solution?
Althouse: If you knew women you'd know that
Kirk: Sorry, I dont actuallly know any women. Im a conservative pundit."
You need to see his wife. Miss Arizona 2012.
He’s right, Althouse is wrong.
Stereotypically male…not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Higher Ed has been tailored to women, consistently attracts more women than men, and is on the whole a miserable place now thanks to the Marxists running it. That seems to be closer to the actual "problem" than women. For example, of what use is a degree in "Women's Studies" to any graduate?
Men, women, and our Posterity are from Earth. Feminists are from Venus. Masculinists are from Mars. Progressives are from Uranus.
"How do you solve a problem like Maria?"
[this was a well-known tune way before Charlie's birth date]
Althouse reads Kirk uncharitably in order to frame his framing as problematically male. I wonder whether she believes it would be a net benefit to women if men stopped defaulting to their stereotypical problem-solving framing.
But mostly I would think the Professor Emeritus would have something to say about the substance of Kirk’s comments. According to her up-close observations, are college women subjected to different indoctrination tactics than college men (perhaps because they tend to choose different academic programs)? In either case, do women tend to respond to the indoctrination differently than men, specifically by becoming more narcissistic? Does that make them tend to vote more according to what makes them feel good about themselves? If so, does that undermine our Constitutional system, posing a threat to the country?
Young women are more alone than ever. They are single well into middle age more than ever. They are having fewer children more than ever. All of our culture is geared around making them feel superior, reinforcing their self-esteem to levels beyond reality, while at the same time, we've spent decades pushing young boys/men into corners. Drugging the boys in grade school. Avoiding calling on the eager ones. Teaching all the young that masculinity is toxic. Believe all women. Blame all men.
The results are in. Young men graduate high school less. They go to college less. They get fewer advanced degrees. And they tend to drop out of society in greater numbers than ever.
This is all by design. And the young-ish professional women? They moan across social media that they cannot find manly men with good jobs and good pay, who live on their own, and make more than the woman does. In short, they cannot find men who will be equal or greater partners for them.
So the men have left them alone. No one is having children. The women have the good jobs but are seeing more therapists than ever. The men have lesser- or no- jobs and are using more drugs than ever.
Charlie Kirk states flat out that he does not have a solution. But women, by themselves, are not the problem. This is a societal problem. We are all going to literally disappear as a nation, and as a species if we stay on the current replacement rates. And if we no longer have men producing goods & thoughts, building, creating- we're a lost civilization. This is everyone's problem and it should be addressed. And for that, I think Charlie is doing the right thing addressing it even if he's only getting half the story.
"Dust Bunny Queen said...
Jim says "(Young) women trying to live their own lives is a problem?"
No the problem is people...women especially included.....trying to tell everyone else HOW to live THEIR lives. Whining, yelling, and threatening if people don't comply with their narrow, inexperienced, uninformed, indoctrinated views.
I'm a woman and I say to the young women...STFU and grow up.
4/3/25, 8:34 AM"
^^^^ THIS × 1000
My first thought upon reading the OP was the "It's Not About The Nail!" video. Howard (not that Howard) beat me to posting it.
"Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie."
See, here's the thing. Charlie explained why he thought brainwashed, indoctrinated AWFL women are a serious problem. You haven't explained why men should think their own penchant for problem solving is itself a problem that needs fixing, other than a vague hint that it's "stereotypical" of men to be that way, as if just being a stereotypical man is itself, self-evidently, a problem. Which is actually exactly the viewpoint that Charlie is pointing out that the horde of AWFL Karens wrecking everything currently hold.
>Charlie Kirk is all "White college indoctrinated women will ruin America if we let them. They are brainwashed. They are completely indoctrinated...I do not know how to solve this problem.<
>Ann Althouse said...
I'll give you a suggestion, Charlie. Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male.<
And rewording what I guy said about a select set of women to make it appear to be about all women is so, well, stereotypical of feminism-obsessed women.
Who is it who's decided that waiting until their mid-thirties to have kids is viable and a reasonable approach to raising a family?
Someone who has never had children or been around them.
Imagine being in your late 50's or early 60's and you still have your "kids" living at home (in your basement 😁) or just getting ready for college...or worse...still hormonal teenagers.....aaagh!!.
This is the time of your life you want to start thinking about slowing down, retiring, take up some hobbies......maybe traveling with your spouse. Free at last!!! But...no! You still have "kids"
This is why people biologically are meant to reproduce when young. Psychologically ....same reason.
How to solve a problem like MariaX..YZ.
People who tell women exactly what they want to hear are generally angling to take advantage of them. Basically the Democrats are the prototypical "male feminists," they guys who pose as feminists to "get some" and in the case of the Democrats, it's votes that they want.
I know from my circle of friends that late life. surprises can be wonderful, but I would advise young people to have children while they are still young enough to keep up with them. Oh yeah, and keep your parents in your life and close for advice.
Telling young women they are oppressed when they’ve been favored by the quota system for 70 years has turned a lot of them into psychos. Total disconnect from reality.
Jaq said, "People who tell women exactly what they want to hear are generally angling to take advantage of them."
Just as liberal twinkfluencer Harry Sisson.
Curious George: "You need to see his wife. Miss Arizona 2012."
https://www.legit.ng/ask-legit/biographies/1527047-who-charlie-kirks-wife-meet-erika-frantzve-half/
Holy crap. I try never to give out 10s, but I'm having a seriously hard time coming up with a reason not to in her case.
In political terms, for the Republican Party, women are definitely a problem to be solved, just as working class men are a problem to be solved for the DNC.
Qwinn said, "Holy crap. I try never to give out 10s, but I'm having a seriously hard time coming up with a reason not to in her case."
I'll bet serious cash it's one of the reasons he's so hated.
Waiting for children increases the risks to a woman and, with deteriorating sperm quality, to a child, too, and the man who cares and supports them.
You can’t save people from themselves. Just avoid them.
Keep women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable? Progress.
If she knew what she wants…
Charlie Kirk:
Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so decent, such regular chaps;
Ready to help you through any mishaps;
Ready to buck you up whenever you're glum.
Why can't a woman be a chum?
Why is thinking something women never do?
And why is logic never even tried?
Straightening up their hair is all they ever do.
Why don't they straighten up the mess that's inside?
Why can't a woman behave like a man?
If I was a woman who'd been to Seaton Hall,
Been hailed as a genius by one and by all;
Would I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing,
Or carry on as if my home were in a tree?
Would I go off and never vote for Republican?
Why can't a woman be like me?
Is that supposed to be a counter argument, because it just sounds like a dodge, proving his point.
Kirk is just a jerk, period, full stop.
"He has a problem and — following the male stereotype — he feels the need to fix it."
I'm failing to see how that is a bad thing.
This stereotypical male frames the culturally regnant female version of bad thinking as even more of a problem than the culturally disapproved male version of bad thinking. So stereotypical. .So problematic. So true.
Thing He Didn't Say for $1000, Alex.
Lefty white women routinely talk about men as a problem to be solved and have done so for decades.
About time lefty white women got equal treatment.
Heckuva job on that straw man, Althouse!
Here's the problem and I see now solution. BTW, the article in the WSJ, from which I copied this, tells us people are no longer in relationships but "situationists". Anyway, "A 2023 report by the Survey Center on American Life found that only 56% of Gen Z adults had a boyfriend or girlfriend during their teen years, compared with 69% of millennials, 76% of Generation X and 78% of baby boomers."
I can see Charlie ‘what’s the matter with women’ bit, veering into the Biden ‘if don’t vote for me you ain’t black’ bit. The road to Cognition is riddled with blind alleys and blind driveways. Easy to make a wrong turn.
The problem is never "those guys". The problem is yourself. Always. Every time. Fix that problem and "those guys" won't have any lasting negative impact on your happiness and peace.
One opinion, “ if they didn’t have pussies they’d put a bounty on them and shoot them like coyotes.” “Without men, women would still be living in grass huts.”
1. The golden path is to find a girl who loves you and you love, and have a wonderful life,
2. The dark path is to worry about what others do.
Politics makes avoiding option 2 difficult, but if you want to be an elite you choose 1 in your personal life, even if you are a communist or a nazi.
The worst thing in life is to have so much money that you can afford to debase yourself with no consequences.
Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved.
That may be true for any individual woman, Professor, although the statistics showing the epidemic of unhappiness, loneliness, and mental illness among young leftist women are truly shocking, and would argue otherwise for women as a class.
And the problem for society as a whole is most definitely NOT solved by your pat answer to Mr. Kirk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
I’m torn. On the one hand this Charlie Kirk guy seems like a tool, and it’s foolish to blame large groups of people for our problems. On the other hand, college-educated white women are hardly representative of all American women — as many have noted, the freest, richest, best-educated women in human history are also somehow the unhappiest, and worse, the most ungrateful. It would be great if someone could encourage them to be a little less AWFL, but Charlie Kirk is probably not the best person to do it.
Douglas B. Levene said...
Kirk is just a jerk, period, full stop.
A Leftist man wants to chime in with an ah hominem argument that is even more pathetic than the straw man of leftist women.
There is a reason these people have to resort to censorship.
Charlie is talking about a particular subset of women. And the mindset of those women is indeed a political problem "to be solved." Their ideas and influence are creating lots of problems, both as voters and as power brokers, for Charlie Kirk's political group. He's trying to address that.
As a problem solver.
Do you not agree, Althouse? You seem to be offended by the fact that he singles out "women," yet that is precisely what the people who pay attention to politics do. "Black men, Black women, white college educated men, white non-college educated women, Hispanic men, Hispanic women," etc. It's his job.
The Supremes killing Roe notwithstanding, women do still have the freedom to choose. Full stop. Weasel words be dammed. Points on the board. Keep asking questions.
King Arthur knew.
https://youtu.be/3iLk3zakV1Y?si=AXIbrG6KvmpiIxn6
I'm a female observing that he's doing that and offering him a different problem and a solution to go with it.
I don't see any solution being offered. "Women are complex" seems like pure misdirection to me. A copout.
‘Women are not a "problem" to be "solved."’ This is certainly generally accurate. However, Kirk is talking only about a certain group of women belonging to the category “useful idiots,” particularly those useful to Democrats and other Gramscian Marxists. They are a problem. Can they be solved before they bury the country? Maybe.
Also, the failure of sane women to criticize the “useful idiots” among them is akin to the failure of Democrats to criticize the domestic terrorists among them.
That was a common sentiment over the last decade. Right now, everything is in flux. Notice the fall in enthusiasm from Hillary to Kamala and the change from the reaction to Trump's first inaugural to the reaction to his second inaugural. Are we headed into an era when female assertiveness and resentments (and the male reaction to that) are going to be on the back burner? Where have all the pussy hats gone?
Is Girl Power beginning to fade as a cultural trend? Is DEI finally broken and in pieces? Will Democrats ever be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, or in the same way? Are we headed for the point where McGovernism has been defeated, and some Bill Clinton takes over the Democratic Party? Or are Trump and Trumpism headed for a fall themselves?
(I feel bad getting here after all the jokes, wise guy retorts, cheap shots, and parody song lyrics have already been posted)
Kirk: Sorry, I dont actuallly know any women. Im a conservative pundit.
Charlie Kirk is married with two children.
@hombre, "Also, the failure of sane women to criticize..."
“Every feminist innovation in law and culture that I’m supposed to ‘appreciate’ the sisterhood for, either replaced competent and intelligent men with midwit, incompetent women, or gave carte blanche to the most sadistic female tendencies by everything that kept them in check.”
@AimeeTerese (X)
Some sane women are beginning to see the light.
"Charlie Kirk is married" to a smokin hot blonde.
Erika Frantzve [Kirk's wife] gave a speech about the negative effects of toxic babe work culture and how it harms women
She seems to frame the issue in a similar way.
Women:
Listen, men, if women are a problem you don't know how to solve, that's not our problem. That's your problem.
Charlie Kirk has never had a real job other than political activist and doesn't seem like a guy who has got any punches on his man card. This is pretty typical for the men's rights activists. They generally take credit for what real men do that they don't participate in like the military and blue collar work.
Lol, Boyd is womansplaining things again. Dammit Boyd...It's not. About. THE NAIL!
"If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts."
Camille Paglia
Howard said...
Charlie Kirk has never had a real job other than political activist and doesn't seem like a guy who has got any punches on his man card. This is pretty typical for the men's rights activists. They generally take credit for what real men do that they don't participate in like the military and blue collar work.
You can do better than this.
Women are the ones to solve the problem, but I'm not holding my breath. Freedom and freedom of choice mean a woman could make a disastrous choice. When women are not happy in life, they blame the patriarchy rather than the choices they have made. Many women believe that the mere existence of freedom and choice guarantees a happy outcome.
College educated feminism has been a ticket to chronic female life dissatisfaction, dramatically reduced family formation, lower quality child care, naive economic and political decisionmaking, and desexualized workplaces. The many women who saw through the con of feminism have my undying gratitude, but the huge number of women whose cognitive dissonance on the topic can never be overcome are indeed a problem.
Me caveman. Me see problem, me try fix.
When women are not happy in life, they blame the patriarchy rather than the choices they have made.
This is not 100% true, but unfortunately the actual percentage, whatever it is to three decimal places, has to be pretty damned close.
Actually Achilles, the men's movement needs to do better then to be represented by suits who like to pick on women because they're easy targets.
In fewer words, there ain’t nothing like a dame.
The real problem with liberal women and men for that matter are they are overly educated in the worthless liberal arts. This has been pushed by the baby boomer influencers who convinced subsequent generations to go deep into debt to obtain a mostly worthless college degree that leaves you still unqualified to work at Starbucks. The enormous amount of college debt was accumulated in order to pay for an overly inflated administrative burden.
Social problems and the lack of upward mobility of the middle class are due to structural problems. Trying to confront and blame individuals by shaming and guilting their confusion and lack of achievement is the cowards way out
“Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind.”
That’s like getting a clearer view of a fog bank.
Men will solve the problem by inventing better sexbots. Closer every day…
"They are brainwashed. They are completely indoctrinated. The worldview that is being uploaded to young women on a daily basis is hyper-narcissistic, hyper-selfish. I am the only one that matters. Who are you to tell me how I should act? And it makes them miserable. "
Altparse: No problem! Problem solving is a man thing.
Howard said...
Social problems and the lack of upward mobility of the middle class are due to structural problems. Trying to confront and blame individuals by shaming and guilting their confusion and lack of achievement is the cowards way out
I agree with the core assertion that Universities are largely a scam perpetrated by boomer generations on younger generations.
You are however castigating Kirk for pointing this out to the young people being scammed. I generally agree with your approbation of the owning the libs videos from campuses on one level because humiliating those kids is not really much of an accomplishment.
On the other hand those kids need that dose of reality. They are being led into a box canyon by their parents and professors. The entire University system is corrupt and pointing out how intellectually flaccid the average college student is needs to happen. Putting the videos of these idiot kids on YouTube gets the word out faster than anything else we have tried.
Women are a problem to be solved if you want to get laid.
They're optimized for talking to infants, not running HR.
Good points Achilles. One thing I have to say about Charlie Kirk as compared to a lot of the other young men's rights activist is he does seem to be fairly respectful and compassionate to the people he's talking with.
"I'll give you a suggestion, Charlie. Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." "
Stamping of tiny foot.
Although I'm not sure the problem is as deep or as widespread as social media may present. I've been working now full-time and retail and I would say of my 130 coworkers, at least 60 of them are college age females. They are mostly very hard-working many of them have another job in addition to going to college. Most of them seem quite happy most of them have either boyfriends or girlfriends. I'm always impressed that they can keep up lifting heavy boxes and tirelessly stalking shelves.
Ann, with all due respect, Charlie is not talking about you or your generation. It is the young women out in the protests and slapping reporters. Chasing a guy in a Maga hat on the subway. Vandalizing Teslas. In point of fact, female happiness (from surveys) has been going down for decades while men's has stayed fairly stable. There is indeed a problem. But women need to solve it, since part of their indoctrination is how evil men are.
I was wondering when Mr. Hardin would chime in on one of his favorite subjects and as usual, he hit the nail on the head and with few words.
Howie's angle is better. Pushes back on the premise, not castigating solving proposed societal ills as mental manspreading.
"I'll give you a suggestion, Charlie. Women are not a "problem" to be "solved." Framing things as problems and going right for the solution is, stereotypically, male. Let your male stereotypicality be the problem you can solve, Charlie, and open the door to a clearer view of the female mind. Step through that door and there is no longer a problem to be solved. Problem solved."
Not so fast... Mr. Kirk was targetedly speaking of solving the "White college indoctrinated women" stereotypicality of being brainwashed.
Kirk is just a jerk, period, full stop. - Karen B. Levene
Howard said...
Good points Achilles. One thing I have to say about Charlie Kirk as compared to a lot of the other young men's rights activist is he does seem to be fairly respectful and compassionate to the people he's talking with.
I want to draw a distinction between Charlie Kirk and someone like Ben Shapiro.
I think Kirk has good intentions.
I think Shapiro has bad intentions.
Henry Higgins had it right:
Why can't a woman be more like a man?
- Krumhorn
wow what a thread ! its pretty easy to guess the males up in here most likely iIve on their own in a little cave and couldnt buy a woman if they wanted to unless the women wanted to be dominanted AND BE 2ND FIDDLE. The seriously outdated PATERNAL look at how relationships should go. Women pastors are married,male pastors are married and you can bet its a shared sitUiation with input from both sides, The do as i SAY DAYS HAVE PASSED WITH THE advent of moving past things that no longer work. If you think you got a problem with a man or a woman guaranteed you live and will die alone...BRAVE NEW WORLD. ALL ABOUT ME IS OLD AND TIRED! My daughters would never put up with that bullshit DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION.. wake up if you cant find a mate look in the mirror. :)
The answer is embedded in Charlie Kirk’s own video, which contained a fleeting shot of Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift didn’t go to college, therefore young women should be more like Taylor Swift.
“Women want to talk about problems. Men want to solve them.”— Chris @ 8:26 am. 1000%.
The DO AS I SAY days are alive and well, Dinker. Just role reversal within no fault divorce system set up for the reverse.
I still think the solution will involve playing the "It's. NOT. About. THE NAIL!" video on a loop as a tool for reverse brainwashing.
He is right though. White LIBERAL women have become unhinged. I have many educated women friends who cannot even speak with someone who does not adhere to their worldview. All they care about are their “feels” and virtue signaling. One friend of mine posted on Facebook after the election asking if any of her friends who voted for Trump would get a coffee and help educate her in why we voted for him. I told her I’ll take her up on her offer and I also suggested she listen to the 2Way podcast and also read this blog to get a more moderate perspective vs the far left or far right. She replied and said she looked at both and they were too far right to her. They have no interest or capacity to accept other viewpoints. It’s just feels and virtue signaling and worrying if they are in alignment with their liberal friends.
What Neall said. Charlie is right. It is funny how quickly you see the problem with Charlie being the stereotypical male trying to solve problems, but cannot see that he is exactly right about the issue with white liberal women, and that it is indeed a problem.
I don’t have a problem with his statement. I don’t take it as all women. And the refrain from my very liberal sisters is that men are a problem to be solved. Their lack of critical thinking drives me to act like most men. Stay silent and blindly retrieve my eyes, which keep rolling under the couch.
What would the Trans do?
I've always found white liberal men twice as obnoxious. Fascists in earth shoes. And there are a whole lot of them, too. They behave in stereotypically male ways and demonstrate male dominance patterns in organizations throught the Left. They comprise majorities in leadership positions in leftist and Democrat Party elected offices and boards. Kirk is being more emotional than analytical here. But he's always been second-rate.
I do however believe there's a war on boys. The NYT published an essay last week that is a doppleganger for this brief Kirk excerpt: "Tate-pilled Boys Are a Problem for Schools" is chillingly misandrist. The writer flirts with the idea that males just can't be redeemed and her tone and historical outlook is nearly eliminationist. She also isn't honest enough to confront the ethnic and racial angles of male on female violence currently overwhelming Britain (she is writing about a British show based on several cases of minority-male murders of schoolgirls in which the showrunners changed the murderer's identity into a small, bullied, white "incel" boy). Kirk is not much more courageous on such points. And so neither are honestly confronting a complex modern crisis.
But most normal people, as Howard observes (and, I would add, of all ethnicities and races), are not political pundits and writers. Most of us are not as isolated and tribal. The only war still is the class war, even though the deck is shuffled. And it's the best war to be won, if we can "win" it the right ways. The Trump faction has schooled the GOP and the Right, and they are finally responding. The DNC and the Left, not so much.
“She also isn't honest enough to confront the ethnic and racial angles of male on female violence currently overwhelming Britain (she is writing about a British show based on several cases of minority-male murders of schoolgirls in which the showrunners changed the murderer's identity into a small, bullied, white "incel" boy).”
Why are there incels in the first place? For every incel, statistically there is a frustrated woman who thinks that she deserves a higher status mate than she can get and keep. Sure, she can get one overnight, or even for a short period of time, but she can’t keep them. Not enough to go around. Not even close.
Interesting study awhile back. Males and females were assigned a rank, which they didn’t know, but everyone else did. They, then were told to pair up. Most everyone ended up pairing off with someone of a similar rank. But now we have the 5 women holding out for 8 guys, and 8 women holding out for 10 guys. Not going to work.
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