"The 2024 election will come to be viewed as one of the biggest political and cultural shifts in our history. It was the mainstream-media-versus-new media election; the Rogan-versus-Oprah election; the establishment-versus-a-disassociated-electorate election. It was also a thorough rejection of lawfare. One of the things most frustrating for Trump’s opponents was that every trial or hearing seemed to give Trump a boost in the polls.... In the end, Trump read the jury correctly. Once the lawfare was unleashed, he focused on putting his case to the public and walked away with a clear majority decision...."
Writes Jonathan Turley, in "Donald Trump just won the greatest jury verdict in American history" (The Hill).
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79 comments:
Amen. 100%.
I, The Jury
Of pundits whose stature rose significantly the last 4 years, Turley stands at the top.
The jury finds the defendant innocent on all charges
How about an award of Attys Fees with interest.
After all it was a non crime show trial only for TV coverage.
It’s too late to say oops.
More. If I were to hazard a guess as to how Althouse voted (and I already said I don't want her to reveal how she voted), I feel she ended up voting for Trump precisely for this reason. Seriously, how can anyone have spent a lifetime studying, teaching, and/or practicing law in the United States of America and not be so revolted by the hideous lawfare excesses we've seen and NOT act to first nullify it and eventually defeat it by voting for Trump?
I was surprised Turley was the only law professor/expert on TV saying this. But then he was always skeptical of the Biden-Harris lawfare strategy when most others were not.
The next community theater presentation of "12 Angry Men" has an opportunity for some very interesting and timely rewrites.
What Trump's DoJ head should do next year is to start setting the stage for the civil lawsuits against the various apparatchiks who arrested, tried, and imprisoned the January 6th political prisoners by not fighting discovery- let the victims of Biden's DoJ sue their persecutors personally without the federal government backing those persecutors at all, in any way.
I knew Trump would win when there was no antifa at the democrat convention, that was when i went long on barbed wire and maroon handmaiden dye.
The only time I contributed to a political campaign was the day after DJT was convicted in NY. I don’t care for the guy, but I am against a police state. Before the internet I would go to the local library to read sections of the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) to try to keep my business and my clients in compliance. The CFR is something like 150,000 pages. It’s almost impossible for a business to keep every regulation in just the 60 pages I was interested in. We are all criminals to the State. I finally said F.U., I’m voting Trump.
A phenomenal take by Turley. Tour de force.
The public is also unlikely to be interested in relitigating the past. Trump's best bet might well be to expose the previous administration's chicanery and announce reforms, but to resist the temptation to find some basis to frog-march Garland out of his house.
The jury heard the argument - the case presented - that (1) Jan 6 was an insurrection, and (2) Trump was behind it and incited it.
The jury rejected the case.
Donald Trump won the minute the US Secret Service let their sniper take 8 shots at him.
Trump better line us up some women Jan. 21. After all, he should just DO what they're going to accuse him of anyway.
The press would have us all believe that in an election where Literally Hitler was on the ballot and he is going to END DEMOCRACY .... that 13 million of THEIR voters decided to sit this election out.
The Democrats CANNOT WIN unless they CHEAT. In 2020, we know exactly how many fake ballots they mailed in: 13 million. They couldn't do it this time because we were WATCHING and not TRAPPED in our homes unwillingly.
The amazing thing is that today, still, the brain trust of the Progressive Left is filling the airwaves with their post-game analysis. Nobody has told them to stop digging, yet, so they carry on. They're still trying to argue their case, from their point of view, that Trump is a racist Hitler and so on, even while they discuss the painful facts of the huge Hispanic turnout for Trump, the black turnout or Trump, the women's turnout for Trump, the gains in districts lost or won by Kamala or Joe.
It's not quite even 'blame the voter', but it's a public airing of cognitive dissonance that they are still, as yet, unaware of. It's gob-smacking in a way, but unsurprising in other ways. They'll keep at it until the air runs out all the way, I guess.
Case never made it to the jury- standinglachesmooot they said...
This *alert*
Did Ray Epps ever see the inside of a prison? He should. He's an FBI plant.
The democrat media is not salvageable. They are poison.
Unfortunately, I believe that the left hasn't learned a thing from the election results. Hopefully, I am wrong, but I think that once they get over the stunning shock from the size of Americas rebuke they'll be back to their usual shenanigans.
LOL, 10s of Millions of Angry Men.
"Donald Trump won the minute the US Secret Service let their sniper take 8 shots at him."
Hahaha! If the assassination attempt was staged--which I think is possible--those who staged it were working for Trump, to ensure he wasn't harmed--anyone else, e.g., innocent bystanders, who cares?--while providing him the opportunity to raise up his arm in a stance of a "survivor's" defiance. Typically, the SS agents would have leaped on him and held him down underneath them until he could be hustled out.
"The Democrats CANNOT WIN unless they CHEAT. In 2020, we know exactly how many fake ballots they mailed in: 13 million."
Hahahahahaha!
I always thought the political savvy move for Biden would have been to pardon Trump last spring under the auspices of "healing America" and then run on the notion that "I was the only one that kept you out of prison."
From felon to Mcdonalds worker and now president. America truly is the land of dreams! 😂
When has a bare majority of the jury ever been sufficient to exonerate someone (yes, some jurisdictions allow non-unanimous verdicts in civil cases, but even then a bare majority is not enough)?
At best the jury was hung even if the election hinged entirely on people's perception of the charges, which of course is nonsense.
That would have been the politically savvy move. But no one ever accused the Biden administration of being politically astute.
"Possible" is doing an incredible amount of work to cover your ass, Robert. Such a scenario you outlined is so implausible as to be ridiculous and anyone offering it up as "possible" is not to be taken seriously by anyone.
Someone, think it was Glenn Reynolds, said that the cases were only brought to keep him out of the presidency and since they failed, of course they were dropped. That is called stating the obvious.
Freder back to picking nits.
Refuse reveal.
I wonder what will become of their emails and texts on personal devices. These became extremely embarrassing to the Mueller investigation team. If they disband now, will all their devices and records get wiped by the current DOJ?
Sounds conspiratorial, but I think the Horowitz inspector general report noted difficulties retrieving DOJ texts. And around the Capitoline Riot, I think there were secret service devices that were wiped as well. The agencies that do investigations really don't like congressional oversight and supervision, and this would be particularly charged, politically.
According to Freder, Trump would have had to win 142 million to zero for Turley to be able to call it a not guilty verdict.
I'll use smaller words than Yancey so you can understand them, Cookie
You're an idiot.
Cry harder.
Bleachbit and hammers are hard at work across DC right now.
Do explain in detail what those felonies are. Must contain facts and dates.
And waste management, refuse removal, a pivotal role for his reelection.
Bich - cry harder. LOL. Your corrupt team lost.
Normals everywhere - Saw right thru your Soviet Witch Trials.
Biden: 81 million "votes"
Harris: 66 million votes
Missing: 15 million Democrat votes
So Bob, what happened to 15 million Democrats? They suddenly die and nobody noticed? Did they not hear that Hitler was on the ballot and that he's going to end Democracy? Pretty sure that message got out. No other message did.
Not conspiratorial at all. The corrupt left is a corrupt shit show from top to bottom. And MSNBC on air talent get paid mightily to help cover it up.
FF, you're mixing forums.
If you want to talk legal forums, we have this little thing called presumption of innocence. Or did you forget.
In the legal forum: "When has a bare majority of the jury ever been sufficient to exonerate someone?" Answer (and it is a very easy answer): when the jury can't reach a unanimous verdict, the criminally accused is exonerated under the standing presumption of innocence.
But in the political forum, which is where this is playing out: The Dems made an assertion that Jan 6 was an insurrection and Trump incited it. The political jury didn't buy the argument. You made it. They didn't buy it.
seems pretty clear, if you think about it:
Did God Rapture Some 15 Million Democrat Voters? If Not, Where'd They Go?
Maybe one of his allies can sit him down and give him the Oskar Schindler speech about what a boss move it is pardon someone.
Robert is not the first wounded soul in the past couple of days to suggest that Donald Trump posed for a shot by a high powered rifle that came within a quarter of an inch of killing him.
But if you ask Robert if it is possible that J6 was as staged as the Reichstag Fire, and for the same reasons, he will say that it's impossible. Nobody does a background check before you buy MAGA gear, Robert.
Hey Rich, why don't you explain how those felonies worked. I mean, a quick explanation of the specific laws broken. You can also answer how a New York State judge found Trump guilty of a Federal misdemeanor that the Federal Government examined and declined to prosecute, then bootstrapped it into a felony. Here is your opportunity to really shine as a font of enlightenment.
If we accept the jury analogy, it would only be an acquittal if Trump had won in a landslide (Yancey, you misread Frederick). It’s a hung jury and not an acquittal, which I always thought was the most likely outcome of taking those cases to trial.
The People's Court writ large has ruled against the government, for the government. The people aren't so green.
It's pretty clear that Cook has morphed from an arrogant phony "intellectual" into a lunatic lefty.
Show us how Trump could have staged it. How about you stage an assassination attempt where you get hit in the ear from 150 yards with a kid firing a rifle with iron sights?
I was disappointed too. I came to this same conclusion a few weeks ago when he was promoting sending American weapons into the Ukrainian civil war.
^^^ [insert GIF of Bugs Bunny tap dancing].
I did the same exact thing. I haven't given any money to a candidate since Gary Johnson in 2016, but I coughed up a thousand bucks for Trump on the day the Manhattan jury convicted him of aggravated mopery.
That's literally true if you are referring to the Senate, sitting as jury in the second impeachment case. They acquitted him.
I'm willing to wait until all the votes are counted. I'm not sure why fancy states with Big-Time Governors can't get the job done in 24 h. WI was done a long long time ago.
I don't think that's unfortunate and I don't think or hope you're wrong. I want them to go on spouting the Hitler and Nazi and Fascist stuff in a foaming-mouthed rage from now until Kingdom Come. You saw how much it did for them.
The real problem is the gutless, and traitorous, Republican Establishment. That not only includes Roberts on the SCOTUS and Mumbles McConnell and his gang of Republican losers, but the Republican pooh-bahs and the Bush Family. They should have been screaming bloody about the use of "Lawfare" against an ex-POTUS, and starting last year, the presumptive Nominee for 2024.
But they said nothing. This biased clown in DC, Chunking or whatever, is allowed to show open bias and practically work in tandem with Smith. Any appeal will be turned down by the Democrat dominated DC Court of appeals.
Globalist, fake Republican, Bush has shown his true colors. While POTUS, he jabbered constantly about "executive privilage" and "The need to protect the institution of the Presidency". But when Biden and the Democrats went after an Ex-POTUS in an unheard of, never before seen, manner. Bush kept quiet. Another fake and phony, like his buddy Dick Cheney, who ended up supporting the most leftwing POTUS candidate in history.
Trump should pardon himself on Jan 22, and lets see what happens.
>If the assassination attempt was staged--which I think is possible--those who staged it were working for Trump, to ensure he wasn't harmed<
Staged? That's one hell of a bet on one inch, one direction or the other! Really a dumb take, Cook.
The Turley column made me quesey (sic). So, the US Public had to save Trump from being thrown in jail on bogus charges? What about some law professors and judges showing some outrage over that? Or demanding the DoJ and State and DC judges respect equal treatment under the law and historical tradition and norms?
I'm sure the Trump team is counting on that. They're not going to just accept that the dog at the hard drives, they're going to work on the people who think they're above the law. At best no more pensions: at worst they're going to jail. Buckle up.
I asked AI to tell me about the demographics of those that sat out the election. It basically ghosted me by saying "I'm sorry I don't have information on something that important, maybe your local election board has information. Sorry."
if chicanery is egregious on whom does burden fall to fix it- separation of powers + checks and balances + power of the purse etc?
Not a chance. On January 21st (or earlier) every prosecutor who worked against Trump should be greeted with no-knock raids. They're coming along quietly, one way or the other.
What constitutes a landslide, Charles? This looks like a landslide to me- the first Republican candidate to win the popular vote in 20 years and 312 electoral votes. No prosecutor would even bring a second trial with such a hung jury.
It is an exoneration by the American people.
In a real sense, Turley misidentifies the voters- the voters are judge in the case, not the jury. Call them the appeals court.
I must say I love hearing the lamentations of the Democrats' women- Cook, Freder, and Bich crying about it all is enjoyable.
In the legal forum: "When has a bare majority of the jury ever been sufficient to exonerate someone?" Answer (and it is a very easy answer): when the jury can't reach a unanimous verdict, the criminally accused is exonerated under the standing presumption of innocence.
You are just wrong about this. A non-unanimous (criminal) jury, results in a hung jury, the prosecution can either dismiss the charges in or get a new trial.
CNN's senior legal analyst (I forget his name) was also dismissive of most of the charges, as was Andy McCarthy. All three felt the Classified Document case might be the most troublesome - until all of those boxes in Biden's garage (not to mention comments by biden's biographer) kinda threw a wrench in that one.
Hahaha! If the assassination attempt was staged--which I think is possible--those who staged it were working for Trump, to ensure he wasn't harmed--anyone else, e.g., innocent bystanders, who cares?--while providing him the opportunity to raise up his arm in a stance of a "survivor's" defiance. Typically, the SS agents would have leaped on him and held him down underneath them until he could be hustled out.
We have make allowances for Cook while he grieves over the election results. While others are given hot chocolate to sip while they play with legos and clutch My Little Pony dolls during these dark days with Fascists at the door, we'll give Cook some space and wonder quietly how it would be remotely possible for Trump staff to entrust a 20 year old shitbird (whose name alarmingly rhymes with Cook) to fire off rounds at Trump with no sniper scope intending to simply nick an ear.
Keep in mind that this is the same Cook who recently posted on this blog:
I have little doubt he could set up concentration camps, etc., and his followers would support him.
and then described himself as the "rational" one in contrast to the rest of us.
Cook, I have occasionally thought you were not cray cray, but it turns out that you are comfortably among the most bug-eyed lefties (such as Joy Reid) who are nasty, hateful, little shits.
- Krumhorn
Polymarket Vindicated After Trump Landslide As France Moves To Ban Betting Platform.
Collective Soviet left: If they cannot control it - they move to ban it, destroy it, or censor it.
But we haven't yet heard the lamentations of Inga-the-Prophet. I suspect she is curled up on the floor in the fetal position sucking her thumb.
- Krumhorn
I don't believe Trump got a significant increase from 2020 because of the prosecutions. AA maybe, who did not vote for him in 2020 and has hated the prosecutions. I believe he persuaded sufficient people he did a better job as president than the current administration.
NYAG James will continue. She's all in.
Lawfare will continue and may increase, targeting those around Trump. Civil suits are very expensive to defend, and that's the whole point. At some point, the legal profession needs to police it's own against these unethical uses of the legal system.
Turley is an interesting iconoclast.
Just re-elected Atlanta/Fulton DA Fani Willis must really be regretting hiring and overpaying her dumpster fire boyfriend, as that investigation has in all likelihood made it impossible for her to take action here before Trump’s inauguration, at which point, as his brilliant lawyer Steve Sadow observed, any action would traditionally have to await the end of his presidency. I think Willis is busy with a December appeal regarding her abuse of public money to buy her some love. I hope those taxpayer-funded margaritas were worth every penny, Fani.
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