Said Martin Luther King Jr., in the late 1960s, in a speech title "The Other America."
John Edwards also had a "Two Americas" speech when he was a presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008.
I'm reading the Wikipedia article "Two Americas" this morning to escape from reading — in the NYT — "The Looming Contest Between Two Presidents and Two Americas/The general election matchup that seems likely between President Biden and former President Donald J. Trump is about fundamentally disparate visions of the nation."
I don't know how much of this sort of thing we can stand:
The looming showdown between President Biden and former President Donald J. Trump... is about two vastly disparate visions of America.... Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms, that considers government at its best to be a force for good in society. Mr. Trump leads an America where, in his view, the system has been corrupted by dark conspiracies and the undeserving are favored over hard-working everyday people....
Americans do not just disagree with each other, they live in different realities....
We can't have 9 months of that!
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“ Mr. Trump leads an America where, in his view, the system has been corrupted by dark conspiracies and the undeserving are favored over hard-working everyday people....”
Trump has said no such thing. The Left puts words in his mouth.
We can't have 9 months of that!
Well yer gonna…
Blacks are encouraged to live in a world of resentment so as to prevent them from being employable.
"We can't have 9 months of that!"
Why not?? We've had years of that already.
…a vision so popular they have to steal them.
"Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms"
So Biden does not believe that black people are oppressed and suffer at the hands of white privilege and need "reverse discrimination" to succeed?
Brings to mind the old saying, "Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining."
"We can't have 9 months of that!"
If it takes nine months of this to stop the orange monster, we get nine months of it. If he is stopped before the election, it will slow down. If he is not stopped, this will continue until someone does something effective to stop him whether measured in months, years, or decades.
Welcome to 2024. It is going to be unforgettable, no matter how much we may wish to do so.
As I started to read this post, I thought the second “another” America was describing Democrat-run cities today.
By “can’t have that,” you mean false media framing of choices?
MLK said..
In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist.
President Trump got black unemployment rates Lower than they had EVER been before..
resident Biden did the following things, to assist black people:
Who's this We you speak of, Quien no Sabe?
The country is just fine. Don't confuse the mentally ill brain damaged blathering of your mind control victims whom post their conspiracy screeds here daily as the norm.
Maybe 10% of the population is bat shit under the social media algorithm. Everyone else is going along with their own lives staying focused on what they see and control. Drama is for LOSERS.
You're Stockholm Quisling Syndrome is showing.
I agree with wendybar. This has been going on for decades. Remember the guy who felt America needed a 'fundamental transformation' after his election? Roger Sweeny deserves at +1 also.
The gaslighting is in service of staying in power now.
Trump will be the president of all of America.
By effectively eliminating the southern border, Biden’s (née Obama’s) vision of “America” is that it ceases to exist. It’s willful destruction.
I wasn’t aware prosecuting your political rival is a democratic institution and traditional norm.
"Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms, that considers government at its best to be a force for good in society."
He might beleive that last one, but he and the core lefty voters do not believe in diversity of anything other than outward characteristics (skin color, genitals) and certainly not diversity of thought or opinion, nor do they believe in traditional norms (they are anti free speech, anti-individual liberty, anti-religion, anti-cop, pro-mandates, pro-trans insanity, etc.) In fact there are very few traditional norms the left respects or embraces.
Democrats, I mean Decivilizers, are at the forefront of abusing Americans. Just look at Decivilizer-run cities:
- skyrocketing crime
- citizens being displaced for illegal aliens
- homeless drug encampments with their accompanying trash and filth
- failing schools.
- sexual predators groom kids for their pleasure and medical profits
- war on legal gun ownership and gun stores
The Washington State House has passed a bill designed to drive gun shops out of business. It imposes huge costs for video surveillance, bars on windows doors, fire safes and a requirement to put all firearms into a safe every night.
There's also bills to outlaw new nat-gas hookups that's making progress and give current prison inmates voting rights and the right to hold office. Under this bill, Gary Ridgway, the Green River killer, could vote and be a state representative.
That's what the Decivilier Party wants for us. Elite rule of the serfs.
Democrats want to make the island of poverty bigger, while Republicans want to make the continent of prosperity bigger. Plus, the Democrats want all the high dollar government jobs which fake serve the poor.
Anyone have any info/thoughts about this movie: https://undivideusmovie.com? I used to read Tony Woodlief years ago and liked his writing, so this has me wondering if it's good or not.
While it's certainly satisfying at times to have some sort of group identity and think "everyone else is trying to destroy our side! we have to fight!", it's not a recipe for a successful society by any means. How do ordinary people back way from that? You know we do it every day in our own lives (at work, with our neighbors - all the parts of us that aren't on the internet) so how do we magnify that cooperation and minimize this desire to take sides and demonize the "other"? And how to we convince the other side(s) to do the same? It's like negotiating a ceasefire - everyone has to put down their guns together or it just makes things worse.
"I don't know how much of this sort of thing we can stand:"
I'm dreading it.
The problem with the Democratic Party was, I think, vocalized very well by Margaret Thatcher back in 1990 saying the Liberals want the Poorer to be poorer as long as the rich are less rich. That is not how you create wealth.
Democrats seem to want to relegate part of the electorate in perpetuity to the islands of despair so that Democrats can say they're going to help.
Now, I'm certain some Democrats do have the best of intentions, and are trying. By and large, though, I see Democrats shaming people for what they are. They'd rather the people living in the sunlight of opportunity had less sunshine and less opportunity.
Embraces diversity. #BabyLivesMatter
I have a dream, that one day, people... persons, men and women, will not exercise liberal license to indulge color judgments and class bigotry in progressive religious sects.
Democrats want to make the island of poverty bigger, while Republicans want to make the continent of prosperity bigger
It seems to me that the continent of prosperity, like every other continent, has mountains and valleys, and a lot of Democrats would rather have everyone live on the flat coral atoll of poverty than have some continent-dwellers live on mountaintops. It's an idealistic thing, which I understand, plus - here's the part I never understand - an unwillingness to look at history or other countries in the present to see what happens when "fairness," lack of "relief" in an economic landscape, becomes paramount.
Regarding Edwards, that total fraud: when politicians plead the common man tripe, the wife and I still say "Muh daddy was a mill worker..." in the Edwardian drawl.
"Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms, that considers government at its best to be a force for good in society."
Ah, yes, the traditional norm of opening the border to anyone, the diversity of trans-forming the military, democratic institutions cleansed of a major candidate by persecution, and the government a force for good by buying votes with illegal debt cancellation. And they call it "America."
There are thousands of Americas.
This "two Americas" thing has nothing to do with how many Americas there are and everything to do with how many Americas their anti-Trump narrative needs at the moment. Words don't have meaning, they have emotional value. Things are true if they elicit the intended emotional response.
The people with capital (i.e. savings) are raped, the poor are subsidized, the rich get richer, social distancing (e.g. homosexuals from others in the transgender spectrum), islands of exclusion (e.g. Respect for Marriage Act), redistributive change (e.g. shared responsibility through progressive prices), color judgments and class bigotry (i.e. DEI), [ethnic] Springs are wars are peace, immigration reform (e.g. CAIR) in lieu of emigration reform, Green blight upon land and sea, ambiguous sex and gender, and human rites performed for social, clinical, political, criminal, and fair weather progress... Dreams of.
I can remember that same false comparison being made in the 2020 race, between the same King speech and our current "two Americas" (or whatever term they were using)
Well, bless your heart, Althouse. The world doesn't a shit what you can't take nine months of.
Biden's vision is an administration that controls and determines everything, including which cars and stoves are available for purchase, which groups of debtors are required to repay their loans and which are not, what can and cannot be said on social media, which racial groups receive jobs, educational opportunities, and government largesse, which sets of lawbreakers get prosecuted and punished and which are allowed to remain free, whether or not mass migration, in wholesale defiance of immigration laws, will be countenanced and encouraged, and of course which members of the opposition party America will be permitted to elect president.
Trump's vision is a return to normalcy.
Ho hum. The same invective has been used in every election I've ever experienced.
The democrats are Kennedy and FDR.
The republicans are Hitler, and Attila the Hun.
"We can't have 9 months of that!, well, we're fixin' to see. Here is the problem for Democrats, there is a dissonance to the thoughts expressed, and they're mouthpieces must learn to exercise more care when writing their pieces.
"There are literally two Americas. One America is beautiful... overflowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of opportunity.
This America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies; and culture and education for their minds; and freedom and human dignity for their spirits.
When Americans hear things like this, they don't think of Joe Biden, unless they perceive it as under attack. Try as he might, to claim credit for such a thing, Joe Biden has not brought this prosperity to America, quite the contrary - and he has a nearly 50 year reputation for personal aggrandizement, lying and plagiarizing, and intellectual dullness, and a 5-year reputation for public senescence, which are not going to help close the deal.
People are more likely to believe that he brought this:
"...in this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist. In this America millions of people find themselves living in rat-infested, vermin-filled slums." Baltimore, anyone? Add 'drug infested, crime-ridden and over-run by illegal aliens.' Pick any Blue city: That's what Joe is going to be connected to, because that's the kind of thing the Democrats have been standing for, for decades.
"In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist. In this America millions of people find themselves living in rat-infested, vermin-filled slums. In this America people are poor by the millions. They find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity."
Recall that the march on Washington was a march for jobs, not reparations.
"Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms, that considers government at its best to be a force for good in society."
What Mr. Biden's supporters promote is exclusion in the name of diversity.
"Democratic institutions" now means lawfare against political enemies, great or small.
"Traditional norms" are out the window.
Government is not a force for good, but it's good for force.
The first two planks in the Democratic Party platform:
1. Projection
2. Gaslighting…
Come to think of it, I could continue, and Democrats have me wondering if a political party can have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
- Rafe
We can't have 9 months of that!
At least it's boring.
Its weird how Trump lost to Biden and yet the republicans want him as the nominee while Clinton got beat by Trump and it completely ended her political career.
There are Two Americas..
The America where people think there are Two Americans, and The America where they don't
and Dogma wins the thread
I know the American project relies on us trying to find common ground with fellow Americans with different views, but I feel increasingly unable to do so, and increasingly uncertain that it’s worthwhile. Imagine thinking Trump is acceptable, let alone admirable.
"Nikki “Birdbrain” Haley is very bad for the Republican Party and, indeed, our Country. Her False Statements, Derogatory Comments, and Humiliating Public Loss, is demeaning to True American Patriots. Her anger should be aimed at her Third Rate Political Consultants and, more importantly, Crooked Joe Biden and those that are destroying our Country - NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WILL SAVE IT. I knew Nikki well, she was average at best, is not the one to take on World Leaders, and she never did. That was up to me, and that is why they respected the United States. When I ran for Office and won, I noticed that the losing Candidate’s “Donors” would immediately come to me, and want to “help out.” This is standard in Politics, but no longer with me. Anybody that makes a “Contribution” to Birdbrain, from this moment forth, will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp. We don’t want them, and will not accept them, because we Put America First, and ALWAYS WILL!" ~ Donald J Trump
Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms
Cutting off the penises and breasts of young Americans is not a "traditional norm". Flooding the country with illegal immigrants is not a traditional norm. Censorship is not a traditional norm.
But, supporting and funding stupid wars like Ukraine is an American traditional norm. Corrupt Government officials is a proud American tradition.
It is going to be 9 months of this. It's an epic battle. Settle in. It's going to get uglier.
Blogger Rich said...
Its weird how Trump lost to Biden
Trump didn't lose to Biden. Everyone know it. Some just deny it out of fear, or they were happy with the results of the 2020 voter fraud...all in the name of "protecting democracy".
Such bullshit.
Blogger Dave Begley said...
“ Mr. Trump leads an America where, in his view, the system has been corrupted by dark conspiracies and the undeserving are favored over hard-working everyday people....”
Trump has said no such thing. The Left puts words in his mouth.
Dave. Take out the words "dark conspiracies" and the statement is correct. It's the corrupt and underserving that throw around that term.
Try this: "Mr. Trump leads an America where, in his view, the system has been corrupted...and the undeserving are favored over hard-working everyday people".
That's the damn truth.
"...traditional norms."
Let's list them, shall we? Democrat traditional norms include:
Laws regulating immigration not enforced or prosecuted
Laws against theft not enforced or prosecuted
Laws against arson not enforced or prosecuted
Laws against aggravated assault not enforced or prosecuted
Laws against destrction of property not enforced or prosecuted
The Constitutional right of free speech not protected
The Constitutional right to keep and bear arms not protected
The Constitutional right to peaceable assembly not protected
The Constitution right to vote for one's candidate of choice not protected
I think the two Americas are more like THIS...(lately)'
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/two-americas-one-u-s-citizens-is-heavily-2/
Americans do not just disagree with each other, they live in different realities....
We can't have 9 months of that!
I'd give anything if it was only nine months...
Ann, IF Trump dropped out or IF by some miracle Haley won the nomination, we'd get the same thing. I'm just curious what they would compare Haley to? Hitler still, or maybe Mata Hari? Regardless, she would become enemy Number 1 in the msm.
Rich: You ever look in the mirror?
Mandela's Xhosa vs Zulu with native collateral damage? Hutu va Tutsi? Kenyan elite vs deplorables? Transhumanists vs girls? Pro-Choice vs pro-life? Diversitists vs individuals/minorities?
What Recession? Growth Ended Up Accelerating in 2023
Economy expanded 3.1% from a year earlier due to strong consumer spending and hiring ~ WSJ
The US continues to completely defy gravity. Truly an absolute beast of an economy.
Either the US economy as a whole, despite apparent strength, is not delivering for a critical mass of the population, or it is but they are not being informed properly (or a bit of both). If it were seen to be delivering then the prospects of Trump returning would be much lower than they currently are. Trump affects people in a way that is unrelated to economic prosperity.
I don't know how much of this sort of thing we can stand:
If you reward this behavior you're sure to get more of it.
Those "not standing" it seem to reward it most.
John Derbyshire used the analogy of salt in one's soup to describe the effects of immigration on a society. A judicious amount of salt makes the best soup, but too much is much worse than none at all, and far harder to fix.
I feel the same way about government. We lived out the principles of limited government set down by Jefferson and Madison and the rest for 200+ years, and the result was a period of prosperity and innovation that surpassed all previous great empires and will shine forever in the history of the world.
But sadly, it is all in decline, if not on the cusp of outright destruction. Our society has been been infected by an alien philosophy of statist collectivism that considers the permanent aggrandizement of government as the highest goal of humankind. These are unspeakably foolish and evil people who believe in massive, untrammeled government for its own sake, backed by a national security establishment and civil service that have arrogated the role of the Praetorian Guard to themselves. They are the enemies of all humanity, the heirs of Hitler and Stalin, and must be opposed every bit as vigorously as we did in the days of our fathers and grandfathers.
I would rather live under the law of the jungle, in complete and total anarchy, than under enemy scum like Joe Biden and Barack Obama and their minions and myrmidons. We can take care of ourselves far better than they can take care of us.
I don't know how much of this sort of thing we can stand:
I'm with you, at least as far as the news. Corporate media is unreliable, and I don't need more red meat from conservative sites. This blog is the only place I'm going to read anything from NYT, WaPo or prominent columnists.
I don't need all the details to convince my friends that Biden is a shambling dotard or that America is unraveling. Nobody is changing their mind.
Good TV, old movies and an occasional Joe Rogan podcast beats getting pissed off about the outrage of the day.
The first two planks in the Democratic Party platform:
1. Projection
2. Gaslighting…
3. Buggery
4. Abortion
5. Collective punishment of disfavored groups
6. Censorship
7. Permanent aggrandizement of government
8. Indoctrination instead of education
Blacks are encouraged to live in a world of resentment so as to prevent them from being employable.
The very last thing the Democratic Party wants is for black people to be prosperous, gainfully employed homeowners with intact families who get along with their neighbors and have no use for government besides keeping crime down and the roads in good shape. They would never win another election. All of the Left's policies are deliberately and cynically designed to keep minorities poor, angry, resentful, and hopeless, in service to their grasping lust for partisan political gain.
In one America, people work, get married, pay taxes, have families, and obey the law.
In the other America, not so much.
The first America bends over backwards to bring the other America up, and pays for almost everything.
Choose your America...
Gonna be a rough year as the "intellectuals" struggle to earn their sinecures by selling the inevitability of this government. The Left side of history.
And they aren't off to a good start with their "journalists" ending up on the "learn to code" line thus losing their soapbox.
For this essential acceptance, the majority must be persuaded by ideology that their government is good, wise and, at least, inevitable, and certainly better than other conceivable alternatives. Promoting this ideology among the people is the vital social task of the “intellectuals.” For the masses of men do not create their own ideas, or indeed think through these ideas independently; they follow passively the ideas adopted and disseminated by the body of intellectuals. The intellectuals are, therefore, the “opinion-molders” in society. And since it is precisely a molding of opinion that the State most desperately needs, the basis for age-old alliance between the State and the intellectuals becomes clear.
It is evident that the State needs the intellectuals; it is not so evident why intellectuals need the State. Put simply, we may state that the intellectual’s livelihood in the free market is never too secure; for the intellectual must depend on the values and choices of the masses of his fellow men, and it is precisely characteristic of the masses that they are generally uninterested in intellectual matters. The State, on the other hand, is willing to offer the intellectuals a secure and permanent berth in the State apparatus; and thus a secure income and the panoply of prestige. For the intellectuals will be handsomely rewarded for the important function they perform for the State rulers, of which group they now become a part.--Murray Rothbard, 'The Anatomy of the State'
Expect more calls for speech control as they struggle with more and more people starting to exercise freedom of thought
"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard
If the election hadn’t been rigged then we would nearly be past all things Trump. By rigging the election. They made their anguish last longer.
Biden invited the illegal immigration flood.
Rev. King misusing the word “literally.” Sad.
"The problem with the Democratic Party was, I think, vocalized very well by Margaret Thatcher back in 1990 saying the Liberals want the Poorer to be poorer as long as the rich are less rich."
Warren Meyer (Coyote Blog):
"In fact, here is a sure fire test for a progressive. If given a choice between two worlds:
- A capitalist society where the overall levels of wealth and technology continue to increase, though in a pattern that is dynamic, chaotic, generally unpredictable, and whose rewards are unevenly distributed,
or...
- A "progressive" society where everyone is poorer, but income is generally more evenly distributed. In this society, jobs and pay and industries change only very slowly, and people have good assurances that they will continue to have what they have today, with little downside but also with very little upside.
Progressives will choose #2. Even if it means everyone is poorer. Even if it cuts off any future improvements we might gain in technology or wealth or lifespan or whatever. They want to take what we have today, divide it up more equally, and then live to eternity with just that. Progressives want #2 today, and they wanted it just as much in 1900 (just think about if they had been successful -- as just one example, if you are over 44, you would have a 50/50 chance of being dead now)."
https://coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2004/12/progressives_di.html
"In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist."
Well, or maybe just stand on street corners selling adulterated drugs.
"Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it..."
Well, there's your problem. He's myopic, unwilling to consider that others don't see or experience it that way, is fed a carefully curated stream of information that's only going to reinforce his worldview and make those who don't agree with it the bad guys.
That is, if he's even coherent enough to express his own ideas at this point and not being stage-managed by Dr Jill and the DC Mayhem Mob.
So we're the bad guys. They NEED bad guys to fight against to show how GOOD they are.
And with that, EVERYTHING is justifiable to subjugate us to where they want us.
As the saying goes, you can't have an 'Elite' without having 'Peasants'. DC sees themselves as 'Elite', so where does that leave the rest of us?
THIS proves it.
Joe Concha
@JoeConchaTV
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The same people who cheered Hunter Biden defying a subpoena will also cheer this sentence.
Greg Price
@greg_price11
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BREAKING: President Trump's former trade advisor Peter Navarro has been sentenced to four months in jail after being prosecuted by Biden's DOJ for defying a subpoena from the sham January 6 committee.
1:09 PM · Jan 25, 2024
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wendybar said:
"’We can't have 9 months of that!’
Why not?? We've had years of that already.”
Exactly!
Trump 2024
Rich said...
Its weird how Trump lost to Biden and yet the republicans want him as the nominee while Clinton got beat by Trump and it completely ended her political career.
The difference is that NO ONE ever actually wanted Hillary. It just seemed like "her turn". Trump, on the other hand, has already been elected and has a track record that many like a great deal. There is also the fact that he was robbed of his second term and undermined by his own civil servants at every juncture. So, it's not all that weird that people would support him. Is it?
Two? Why is it always TWO? Evan the Nolan chart recognizes a two axis continuum.
And there was nothing in the article about two Literary Americas.
"I would rather live under the law of the jungle, in complete and total anarchy, than under enemy scum like Joe Biden and Barack Obama and their minions and myrmidons. We can take care of ourselves far better than they can take care of us."
Ha! I think you would be very surprised.
"Mr. Biden leads an America that, as he sees it, embraces diversity, democratic institutions and traditional norms ..."
Traditional norms? Pete Buttfuck is a traditional norm?
Same old...
Is feel a lot better about things if.
Howie brought some of Pedo Pete's "migrants" home to share the calm of his isolation float tank.
Semper Fudd!
I moved from this one:
"This other America has a daily ugliness about it that constantly transforms the ebulliency of hope into the fatigue of despair."
To this one:
"One America is beautiful... overflowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of opportunity."
It took two days of driving, but it was totally worth it.
John Edwards! Just the other day I was wondering whatever happened to Silky Pony. Kerry keeps getting make-work jobs, but Edwards has dropped off the face of the earth.
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