December 19, 2023

"If I'm going to rebrand myself, it would be maybe 'America's shaman' because the QAnon label has been stigmatized with the number of sub-labels or subcategories..."

"... conspiracy theories, white supremacists, terrorists.... I don't want to be associated with anything that the media has already maligned."

A shaman is someone who — to quote Wikipedia — "interact[s] with the spirit world through altered states of consciousness, such as trance."

Chansley is apparently interacting with the media to receive his messages and inspiration. The media are not the spirit world. Alignment with whatever the media tell you — dissociating yourself from everything the media have maligned — is not a special state of consciousness. I wish it were. 

ADDED: The OED entry for "shaman" led me to a 1979 piece in the London Review of Books, "'Darkness Visible' is William Golding’s first novel for twelve years/John Bayley thinks it is his best, and thinks of him as a magician":
Borges​ has written (and it is certainly true of Borges) that the writer is like a member of a primitive tribe who suddenly starts making unfamiliar noises and waving his arms about in strange new rituals. The others gather round to look. Often they soon get bored and wander off, but sometimes they become hypnotised, remain spellbound until the rite comes to an end, adopt it as a part of tribal behaviour.

A simple analogy, but it does fit some novelists and tale-tellers, preoccupied in the midst of us with their homespun magic. They are not modish, not part of any literary establishment. Nor is there anything of the showman about them: Dickens was a magician in another sense, the sense that goes with the melodrama and music hall, and tribal magicians are not creators as Dickens and Hardy were. They do not invent a whole natural world of their own in which the client can lead a solitary life; their appeal has something communal, as the Borges image suggests, and the shareability of a cult. A largely Anglo-Saxon phenomenon, with a suggestion of Beowulf about it (another of the Borges admirations), and The Lord of the Rings as one of its longer, more popular texts. America lacks this type of magician – the shamans there are grander, more worldly, more pretentious – and the German-style version of Hesse or Grass is too instinctively metaphysical, not homespun enough. Richard Hughes was one of our most effective local magicians; John Fowles has become one; William Golding has had the status a long time....

42 comments:

tim maguire said...

That just goes to show what people generally already knew about him--he's just some guy. He's not special, even if he does have a little flair for the dramatic.

rehajm said...

In a post journalism world you have to reject labels since they're all propaganda. Focus on policies and actions...

rehajm said...

Shaman is one of those made up titles kooks invent to seem more palatable, though in today's world you can add it to your resume if you're politically useful...

Kevin said...

“O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

boatbuilder said...

It's an abiding mystery why Chansley didn't roll on Trump and tell the prosecutors about the orders and instructions he got.

(sarc)

Howard said...

He's doing his walk back of shame. He's right to label himself as such because the Shaman, a carnival barker and an Elmer Gantry type revivalist preacher are all the diversity of stereotypes required for a cult to have wings and take off.

Lucien said...

Isn't "Darkness Visible" also the title of Styron's memoir of depression?

Wince said...

Not to step on Mr. Whipple's riff: Please don't squeeze the Shaman.

Chuck said...

He’ll begin to be able to work on his rebranding program some more when Fox makes him a regular panelist on “The Five.”

JAORE said...

This guy (THIS GUY!) led an insurrection that nearly overthrew the US Government.

What a dim bulb must you believe to really think such a thing.

Tina Trent said...

So he's doing the opposite of what Milo Yiannopoulos did, which I think was rather courageous, though I disliked his schtick. Jordan Peterson's interview with Milo in the aftermath of his public fall is fascinating.

rcocean said...

What the Media did was create this whole QA nonsense and then tag Trump and his supporters with it. I remember when the Press started peppering Trump with questions demanding he denounce QA non. And Trump going "what the hell are you talking about?"

The MSM has to create this fake extreme boogyman so can avoid talking about the real issues, and they can smear RW'ers and Trump supporters with it.

mikee said...

I thought shamans were a source of peyote for writers and college kids, or maybe just grad students. See Casteneda.

Ann Althouse said...

“ Isn't "Darkness Visible" also the title of Styron's memoir of depression?”

Yes, and of a couple of other books.

The phrase originated in Paradise Lost.

Ann Althouse said...

“Now the thought
Both of lost happiness and lasting pain
Torments him; round he throws his baleful eyes
That witnessed huge affliction and dismay
Mixed with obdurate pride and steadfast hate:
At once as far as angels ken he views
The dismal situation waste and wild,
A dungeon horrible, on all sides round
As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames
No light, but rather darkness visible
Served only to discover sights of woe,
Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
That comes to all; but torture without end
Still urges, and a fiery deluge, fed
With ever-burning sulfur unconsumed.”

Joe Smith said...

When life gives you lemons...

This guy could make a fortune if he works at it.

First step is to trademark the outfit and face paint...

Joe Smith said...

'Shaman is one of those made up titles kooks invent to seem more palatable, though in today's world you can add it to your resume if you're politically useful...'

Shaman is one of those made up titles kooks invent to be able to buy drugs from that person and make it seem legit...

Fixed it : )

Josephbleau said...

It looks like a part of the Sarbanes Oxley act is what resulted in the imprisonment of the J6 people including the shaman who almost took over the USA. It is amazing that no one took over the USA before the S A act was passed and signed! We really dodged one there!

traditionalguy said...

The original tribal belief systems relied on “Witch Doctors” that could do the best hex and curse as needed for his paying customers. Shaman is a high brow name for witch doctors. Voodoo is the same thing done by a French shaman .

Rusty said...

Howard said...
"He's doing his walk back of shame."
Now walk back your vote for Biden. There are three fingers pointing back at you Howard. And each of them question your intelligence.

Rich said...

In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety. I’m certain he’ll fit in quite well with his MAGA brethren in Congress ….
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564492-qanon-shaman-negotiating-plea-deal-following-mental-health-diagnosis/

narciso said...

He chose another bill polley (shipwrecked crew) because watkins was criminally imcompetent

Richard Dolan said...

"[T]heir appeal has something communal, as the Borges image suggests, and the shareability of a cult. A largely Anglo-Saxon phenomenon, with a suggestion of Beowulf about it ... America lacks this type of magician – the shamans there are grander, more worldly, more pretentious ..."

Really? Anyone actually believe that? Perhaps the reviewer in the LRB was unfamiliar with Frank Herbert's Dune. or Mark Helprin's Winter's Tale, or pretty much anything by Paul Auster, Michael Chabon, Cormac McCarthy or Larry McMurtry.

walter said...

It was nice how the Capitol Police hung out with him and showed him around.
I can only hope the guy who stole the lectern is locked up forever.
Worst "insurrection" ever.

Howard said...

Rusty: Biden is kicking ass and taking names, wiping the floor with MAGA's, the Chinese and your buddy Vlad while standing by Israel. Post Covid inflation coming down, record number of factories being built. People like you keep selling the USA short: a bunch of whiners and quitters.

Rusty said...

Rich.
Do you assume you're smart? Or do you assume that people who disagree with you are dumb? Because I read what you post and there is definitely Dunning-Kruger going on.

Immanuel Rant said...

American shaman
Stay away from me
American shaman
Q conspiracy

Don't come hangin' 'round Congress
I don't wanna see you in the press
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time or vote on you

Now shaman, stay away
American shaman, listen what I say
American shaman
Get away from me
American shaman
Shaman, let me be

Don't come knockin' 'round the Hall
I don't wanna see your bison hat at all
Colored face and fuzzy hat
Dude, you are one crazy cat

Now shaman, get away
American shaman, time to hit the hay
American shaman
Hang up the cape
American shaman
Go get your vape

Earnest Prole said...

The genius of his masterful trolling was exceeded only by the dopiness of those who willingly took the bait.

Chuck said...

Here's Jacob (QAnon Shaman) Chansley, appearing at Turning Point's AmFest last weekend. His fellow middle-fingerer is Trump co-defendant Trevian Kutti, whose Georgia counsel just sought leave to withdraw in a filing today.

Such charming people, these Trumpers.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

chuck and rich would like to see him in the Gulag.

iowan2 said...

I still know nothing of the Q thing.
The only time I ever see it referenced is by the left, to smear a person they can't win a battle of ideas with. No conservatives talk about what ever Q is supposed to be.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse said,...

"The media are not the spirit world."

Speak for yourself.

Rich said...

The major problem with the whole MAGA crowd is their rock solid belief that when they lose it’s because they were cheated out of it. They can’t ever admit defeat or that they’re in the wrong and always blame someone or something for their failures.

Trump's talent is recognizing the need for a hero and leverages off of it. He frames himself as a victim, just like they are victims of the system, and is battling for and with them in the same quest.

It’s a form of mental illness that needs to be addressed. Public service announcements? After-school special?

Rich said...

Rusty, how’s your 401K doing? I seem to recall you whining about it this fall…

Joe Smith said...

'Rusty, how’s your 401K doing? I seem to recall you whining about it this fall…'

You are economically illiterate if you can't connect the signaling of lower interest rates with the '24 election.

Rich said...

Joe Smith -- As always, stay very long good equities - fill your boots. The Fed has our back - Happy Christmas to all!

Rich said...

I love the continuous negativity coming from the majority of the Althouse commentariat/investors, especially the macro driven ones. After getting market wrong for 12 months (recession! recession!), they now are accusing the Fed of not doing what they think the Fed should do. this is understandable if coming from junior people but not from seasoned investors.

Analysis of market breadth would have told you that the story about the "magnificent 7, equally weighted vs market weighted SPX " and all of that was just hooey. In the meantime, more than one long standing macro strategy is closing down (GARS, Invesco etc).

I've been long aggressively for a number of years and will continue to do so. This is a government fiscal fueled bull market rally that will most likely take us into 2025 and we'll see aggressive rate cuts by the fed in 2024.

walter said...

When you go the grocery store, appreciate the Fed's ability to tamp down inflation.
In reality, they're going to juice the system like they juice Joementia's brain...ultimately yielding similar results.

Rich said...

Walter — pro tip: never let your politics determine your investment strategy.

“An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." ~ Benjamin Franklin.

Rusty said...

Rich said...
"Rusty, how’s your 401K doing? I seem to recall you whining about it this fall…"
Leftists whine, Rich. I don't whine. I solve problems.

Rusty said...

Howard said...
"Rusty: Biden is kicking ass and taking names, wiping the floor with MAGA's, the Chinese and your buddy Vlad while standing by Israel. Post Covid inflation coming down, record number of factories being built. People like you keep selling the USA short: a bunch of whiners and quitters."
Factories are being built because capital is leaving China.
Does this mean you're going to vote for Biden a second time?
Remember what I predicted? When Trump wins the dow is going to gain 800 points. The markets love Trump.

walter said...

Thanks for that advice in lieu of addressing the point, Rich.