I spoke to @piersmorgan about the decision of @ElonMusk to restore Alex Jones' account on X.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 13, 2023
Piers has done a great job airing all views lately, but this is the 2nd straight time I ended up on a panel with a deranged person who couldn't control herself from ranting. pic.twitter.com/ztkqt2gM6O
December 13, 2023
Glenn Greenwald, approving of the restoration of Alex Jones' X account and, speaking of defamation, calling somebody who's just interrupting "deranged."
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Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation claim. Plus, deranged is an opinion.
who is that "it's the algorithms!" ding dong on the right? Don't tell me I don't what to know.
simple fact:
according to Women.. ANY Woman can interrupt ANY man.. At ANY time.. And the man MUST apologize
Piers Morgan used Twitter to amplify his disgusting lies about the mRNA shots, and penalties that he thought should have been put upon the "unvaccinated".
When do those who pushed "safe and effective" pay a censorship price for slinging their mRNA bullshit?
Weren't the "unvaccinated" defamed by Piers Morgan, Joe Biden, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and a whole lot more.
Piers Morgan is nauseating. Maybe Pfizer could develop a Piers Morgan vaccine.
Alex Jones was banned from Twitter for criticizing a journalist who was systematically censoring him, pressuring Jones sponsors to leave him. So when Jones confronted Darcy in DC somewhere, Jones was struck by Darcy’s big eyes.
2018 Daily Beast: “A Twitter spokesperson told The Daily Beast specifically that an Infowars video posted on Twitter of Alex Jones berating CNN reporter Oliver Darcy on Wednesday was the final violation of the company’s terms. “Those are the eyes of a rat,” Jones told Darcy to his face in a live video, where he accused Darcy and CNN of trying to police internet content.”
Jones Twitter ban had nothing to do with Sandy Hook. Jones Sandy Hook troubles happened later, after he was already banned from Twitter.
Like Trump, a lot of stuff reported as fact about Alex Jones is wrong, twisted and sometimes just outright fabricated.
The fact the people who announced their departure from Twitter still complain about who gets to post there tells you all you need to know…
Just wait until Pierce is faced with a call for his ban for his stance on the trans issue. No, politician or other, no one should be banned from free speech to any degree greater or lesser than anyone else. If Jones posts crap - that's what community notes are for and he'd get pummeled.
The guy with the beard is a much more interesting pundit than any of the other three, and I don't even know his name, but have seen him a few times while scrolling random stuff. I would suggest finding more of him for a better take on social media.
that was a hot mess. What the heck did alex jones do anyway, kill kittens?
It is laughable that Jones will be able to monetize anything on X, and even if he does, the Sandy Hook parents will be able get at it. Greenwald nails it, and Musk made the right decision in allowing Jones an account. And, again, I will point out for about the hundredth time- defamation is not a crime.
The arguments of Piers, and whoever that awful harridan is, are simply atrocious.
At least the harridan is open about her wish for a society of a multi-tiered system of rights, where the doubleplusbad people are second-, third-, fourth-, or whatever-class citizens, if they are granted the privilege of citizenry at all.
Piers seems to think that if you have ever "defamed" someone one time, as per the ruling of a court of law, you then relinquish your right to free speech for the rest of your life.
And miss me with that bullshit about it's okay if a gag is metaphorically slapped over your mouth so long as it isn't the government doing it. We've seen where that kind of thinking leads, and it isn't to a free society of free people.
I’m no Alex Jones expert but somebody with the time and inclination to dig deep could probably reveal that getting banned from all the big platforms as Alex Jones was likely drove him make more “extreme” content than otherwise he would have, had he not been banned. You could say Alex Jones banning from the public square resulted in… radicalizing him.
The "guy with the beard" is Scottish YouTuber Count Dankula. He was infamously arrested years ago for teaching his girlfriend's dog to do a Nazi salute.
She did sound unhinged, and really after she plays the Nazi card, is it really too much to call her deranged? Whatever happened to Godwin's Law?
Peirs Morgan is another one of these Media Characters who has no brains or talent but somehow is ALWAYS in the news and has a job.
Its hilarious that a man who got "Cancelled" from a UK TV show, is now supporting censoring someone. Who is the fat chick with the glasses?
Anyway, thank God for Greenwald. He speaks the truth. Everyone should be allowed to speak unless they break the law by committing libel or advocating for violence or illegal conduct. Dont like Alex Joens? Dont read his tweets.
Personally, I always thought of Alex Jones as a clown. Is he still talking about UFO?
Darcy that fat block of blubber that beck originally hired
I spent too much time trying to figure out who the woman on the right, and the bearded guy between Greenwald and Morgan are. The woman on the right lives in a bubble apparently and has nothing original to say, and she says that nothing at volume. The bearded guy seemed interesting.
Piers seems to think that if you have ever "defamed" someone one time, as per the ruling of a court of law, you then relinquish your right to free speech for the rest of your life.
That's what living under a system with no First Amendment does to some people. Pierce can't stop his mind from generating new ways to shut up people he disagrees with. He is also an Englishman to the core when it comes to believing he belongs to a class "above" mere men like Jones or Greenwald. The video of him being schooled about Hamas's lies by Douglas Murray last month became an instant classic. If you want to watch Pierce confront his own stupidity I recommend it highly.
If they can sue him, BUT can't make him pay, he "wins."
Ahh, American "justice" - in the end, it's just us.
I cannot stand Alex Jones.
but he has a right to free speech.
"I spent too much time trying to figure out who the woman on the right, and the bearded guy between Greenwald and Morgan are. The woman on the right lives in a bubble apparently and has nothing original to say, and she says that nothing at volume. The bearded guy seemed interesting."
Greenwald put up the clip, so you can presume he made the cuts where it would look best for him. He's really testy about the woman's interruptions. Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female.
It’s awful watching talking heads on TV if they are interrupting each other, period. That goes double for hosts that interrupt their guests.
That social media titans get to be free speech police is not right. I agree with the Musk standard. Look at what’s happened on college campuses, possibly partly due to limited access to alternative views? Let it all out, everyone listen and make up your own mind. Don’t let or make others do that work for you.
So Alex Jones, with his complete disgrace of a kangaroo-court 'show trial', where he was stripped defenseless by a harpie judge who gloated over her authority in not allowing him to defend himself, has been found 'guilty as sin' and ordered to pay up. And he hasn't paid out a cent yet, says Harpie #2 on the broadcast. Guilty as Sin, as judged by the Court in our hallowed system of Justice !
But wait! Is it possible his case is on appeal? Isn't appeal a part of the process, too? Or no.
I don't like Alex Jones, but I like him a lot better than those petty-tyrant hypocrites that live among us and would have us toe their arbitrary lines into infinity.
More speech is better. Let the fools feel comfortable revealing their idiocy.
"Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female. "
Pure ironic poetry. Whom did Greenwald interrupt, to prevent their thoughts an unfettered expression?
Greenwald put up the clip, so you can presume he made the cuts where it would look best for him. He's really testy about the woman's interruptions. Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female.
To be fair, no one likes being interrupted.
Cleavage gal would do well to get a better style of glasses...
"Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female."
This isn't a stereotypical take. Nope, not at all...
"Men tend to think."
Allow me to interrupt in agreement.
Greenwald ate Piers' and Ms Konst's lunches.
Alhouse said:
" Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc."
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Are you claiming they are not so "entitled"? Did Greenwald keep repeating his point? Why should the person on the other side of the conversation have the right to decide when they should finish? Isn't that what the interlocutor is for?
Are you therefore comfortable when a woman talks over a man, but not vice versa? Is that a tenet of "women's rights" now?
Does poor Meade have to look at his shoes and remain silent until you stop yammering about everything?
Are congressional peers allowed to interrupt other speakers during the latter's alloted time? Or does that rate a "point of order"?
Or maybe Jefferson's Manual is set up to favor men?
“Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female.”
You say they like it’s a bad thing…
Seriously, I know you said “tend to,” but in my experience it’s not so much a male/female thing as a Type A/Type B. Take my wife (please) as an example. Hard to get a word in edgewise when she’s off and running and frequently interrupts. One of those things I’ve learned to live with, though I do sometime scold her for interrupting (I am a male after all).
"Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female."
This isn't a stereotypical take. Nope, not at all...
Diversity in color/class blocs, certainly.
The loudest publisher, chanter, protestor wins.
Censoring Israel Critics (& Right-Wing Hypocrisy) Is Nothing New
Piers Morgan supports (some) censorship on his show...Piers Morgan Uncensored.
HoodlumDoodlum said...
Piers Morgan supports (some) censorship on his show...Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Yes, he does. And he described that censorship with admirable precision.
If you use a platform for defamatory communications, within that platform (and not on some other unrelated platform), and if after having been found legally liable for such defamation, and you have essentially sneered at the legal processes in that regard, and if in all of that you (the defamer/defendant) are not a public officer or elected official whose speech - however wrong or offensive - has historical significance... THEN HELL YEAH YOU CAN AND SHOULD BE DEPLATFORMED.
Glenn Greenwald had the shittiest reply to all of that. Greenwald's reply was, "Well whuddabout..."
I'm not always impressed with Piers Morgan; but this was a flawless cross examination of Greenwald.
Oh and let's not forget something. The as-yet uncompensated pain, and distress, and the ugly notoriety, and the personal anguish of years of litigation, all suffered by innocent Sandy Hook parents as a result of Alex Jones' insane, sick, stupid monetizing of his hate speech.
"He's really testy about the woman's interruptions. Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female."
Anyone is entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Within the bounds of any agreed-upon rules as to time limits, and within the bounds of civility, ie don't deliberately go on and on and on past the point of all reason. There's that civility bullshit! Greenwald was not outside those bounds in that regard (time). The woman, whose name I still don't know and will not bother to find out, rudely interrupted him and deserved to be criticized for it.
If women think they are entitled to "break in" as they arbitrarily decide appropriate, they should grow up. Interrupting someone is an atavistic dominance thing, and the woman should expect the man to respond by asserting his power to continue speaking. And a man doing it should expect a woman he interrupts to respond by asserting her power to continue speaking as well.
Aggie said...
So Alex Jones, with his complete disgrace of a kangaroo-court 'show trial', where he was stripped defenseless by a harpie judge who gloated over her authority in not allowing him to defend himself...
I just want to say, as a trial lawyer and as someone who followed the details of Jones' trial court litigation that:
It was not just one court, but rather about a dozen different trial courts that have handled Jones/Sandy Hook defamation lawsuits. In almost all of them (and in all of the cases that have gone to judgment) Jones' recklessness and failure to participate within the applicable court rules have resulted in defaults. Juries, for the most part, have heard evidence on damages and determined monetary judgment amounts. Almost without exception, appeals filed by Jones were heard and rejected. In multiple state courts. Including, in particular, cases filed in Texas state courts; they were filed there because that is where Alex Jones supposedly operates his business, whatever that might be. (Because Jones is hiding all of his businesses, money and assets to avoid collection.)
I wrote all of this because the nasty stupidity of your comment inspired me.
"He's really testy about the woman's interruptions. Men tend to think they are entitled to hold the floor until they decide they have finished making their point, repeating their point, etc. etc. Especially when the person breaking in is female."
Wow. This is the worst take I have ever heard from you.
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