Why is he saying "tapes" — to make it seem as though this material is bulky and difficult to copy and transfer to various places? You can "can come see the tapes"?! Isn't this all digital material that could be sent to anyone effortlessly?
On Sunday, McCarthy claimed he did not “give” the tapes to Carlson. “I didn’t give the tapes,” he said. “I allowed [him] to come see them, just like an exclusive with anybody else. My goal here is transparency.”
Well, you are failing. That doesn't feel transparent at all. And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that? And how did Carlson produce an edited version if he was just "seeing" "tapes"? Something like this?:
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Select Committee revisited, perhaps. JournoLism in progress, probably. Democrats never thought that the House would be turned over.
'Tape' is pretty common when speaking of digital video.
"I DVR'd the football game' doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
A reminder that elections have consequences...McCarthy is the speaker.
He can do whatever he wants.
Those are the new rules put in place by democrats.
@Althouse -- You are being too literal. People who grew up with films and tapes and records often still say film or tape or records. Carlson viewed the content. Second, giving it to Fox for an exclusive was an obvious tit-for-tat after two years of one-sided Capital Hill framing by the Democrats and Liz Cheney. Red meat. Petty. Yep, both sides.
We are living in a dysfunctional, reckless 'better to rule in hell than serve in heaven' era.
"Well, you are failing."
Why? We are seeing things we hadn't seen before, in a way the MSM couldn't spin in advance.
"That doesn't feel transparent at all."
Why "at all"? It's lot more transparent than anything the Dem committee did for two years.
The transparency so far doesn't exonerate the rioters. It does show that the insurrection narrative is ridiculous. That's a success.
Oh, bullpucky. How much would you like to bet there are major news organizations that won't even deign to come to view the videos? Becuase airing those kinds of news stories would only encourage the Dangerous Terrorists That Almost Killed the USA By Having An Insurrection Worse Than The Civil War....
I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own.
The Democrats had these "tapes", "Video Files", whatever we call them, for two years exclusively. They gave them to a producer to make tv video montages and even added fake sound. I think that the Republicans rolling them out to the public over a 3 month period from taking leadership of the House is quite a good exercise in transparency. Is anyone saying that Pelosi was more transparent? or is this an example of only criticizing the side many hate, the Republican enemy, not your friends, the Democrats.
“I didn’t give the tapes,” he said. “I allowed [him] to come see them, just like an exclusive with anybody else. My goal here is transparency.”
Scotch Transparent Tape? Children of a certain age were browbeaten by Madison Ave with certain verbal connections.
Notably, in a previous Althouse post, people also used the term "footage" without comment, which alludes to film (or tape), rather than data storage.
"Well, you are failing. That doesn't feel transparent at all."
Oh, baloney, Professor! If the NYT was the single entity with access to the tapes, every lefty on the planet would call that "transparent" knowing full well that disclosures would be doctored to suit the Democrats.
We all know what will happen when the tapes are now released to the leftmediaswine. We know because it's already happened with J6 Committee releases.
McCarthy isn't ideal, but he wasn't born yesterday. This is a war and he is a newly promoted general.
He should have released the video to the public and let the chips fall where they may. He set himself up for some grief by giving Carlson first crack at the spin. However, few of the people criticizing him are in a position to say squat about it as they were perfectly happy giving nobody access.
Their real complaint is their lies are being exposed.
Oh, NOW she’s skeptical. Because Republicans are eeeeeeeevil.
And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that?
He answered that. Carlson is the only one who ASKED to see all the video. Not even the J6 committee members cared to watch anything except the clips their ABC news producer cut for them to use. Only after last week’s unseen video was shown did the other “news” organizations even ask for access. Your news sources are apparently still obscuring rather than providing actual facts.
This is such a fine blog post.
The questions raised by Althouse are the right ones, and well-stated. The only thing that bothers me -- and it isn't much -- is that the answers to her earnest questions are almost as clear as the questions themselves.
Why the "exclusive" for Tucker Carlson? Because it's good for Tucker -- exceedingly good, for ratings -- and it was a favor that McCarthy could do for a favored media outlet, and also a favor to the Matt Gaetz subgroup in the Freedom Caucus. It's a virtually explicit deal, right? Gaetz, MTG; their group of Speaker-vote holdouts. They came around to allowing McCarthy to hold the gavel, because McCarthy agreed to basically their entire laundry list of demands. And one of the items was, "put all of the J6 video recordings out." And I think that "release them exclusively to Tucker" was like the cherry on top.
None of this is any supposition or conspiracy-mongering. I think that if he were in the right mood, with the right interviewer, Gaetz would admit to absolutely all of it.
It's a pretty delicious power-flex for Gaetz. Like when he was interviewed in the immediate aftermath of the Speakership vote and he laughingly said that they had run out of things to ask for! A thoroughly remarkable demonstration of McCarthy's fundamental weakness as Speaker.
Althouse said...Well, you are failing. That doesn't feel transparent at all. And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that?
What, McCarthy is failing where the January 6th committee succeeded? We just went through and ABC produced prime time propaganda campaign led by the evil Liz Cheney.
Sure...dump everything. There's like 40,000 hrs, right? Even if McCarthy "clipped" the footage of the Water Buffalo Shaman being escorted by Capitol Police it's a great start. They guy got set up and railroaded and is in jail as a political prisoner of the Uniparty and Deep State. He's disposable like the rest of us.
What is ABC going to do with the footage? They've already seen it I'm sure. They were in on the J6 production and propaganda. Pelosi, McConnel and the J6 committee know what they DON'T want shown. They were in on it.
Of course the corrupt Capitol Police call Carlson's footage "misleading". Once again like every bullshit leftwing push back on Veritas, you're not supposed to believe what you can see with your own eyes.
Bottom line is thank the Freedom Caucus and Matt Gaetz or we wouldn't be seeing anything.
No every other outlet allowed this travesty of a sham to go on, a suicide putting cancer stricken grandmothers
Blogger Enigma said...
@Althouse -- You are being too literal.
I agree. Musicians still put out new "albums" but they are not on vinyl. If you download a "book" from Amazon onto your kindle is it then something other than a book?
Release the J6 tapes.
Release the J6 digital footage.
Same thing.
Chuck said...
Why the "exclusive" for Tucker Carlson?
Seems obvious.
At the moment, Tucker Carlson is one of the few people that isn't in on the 2020 election fraud fix, and J6 Deep State sponsored "insurrection".
What? You're gonna give it to Chuck Todd? George Stephanopoulos? Those guys are state controlled tools.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that?
He answered that. Carlson is the only one who ASKED to see all the video. Not even the J6 committee members cared to watch anything except the clips their ABC news producer cut for them to use. Only after last week’s unseen video was shown did the other “news” organizations even ask for access. Your news sources are apparently still obscuring rather than providing actual facts.
This is a lie. A dumb one, considering that I gave you the link previously.
We had this fight just a couple of days ago, right? You suggested that the competing media outlets should ask Tucker for the video since Tucker had the video. And I absolutely sneered at that notion. That's crazy. You can't even keep your own story straight.
Chuck said...
They [The Freedom Caucus] came around to allowing McCarthy to hold the gavel, because McCarthy agreed to basically their entire laundry list of demands. And one of the items was, "put all of the J6 video recordings out." And I think that "release them exclusively to Tucker" was like the cherry on top.
Kick ass. We should all be grateful. Unless of course it messes up your fucked up world view.
I'm sure Chuck, not too deep down, you know 2020 was a fraudulent election, and you're ok with that. You also know J6 was a set up. You're ok with that too. You're not alone. Your hatred of the working class that supported Trump is shared by many. Especially in America's entire education system.
I'm more interested in if Professor Althouse is still as interested in "moving on", as she was in 2020. Once a rigged election is over, there is nothing you can do about it. Even at the Supreme Court (Texas vs PA). Pencils down everyone.
Ann, I still say "tapes" because that what I grew up with - just like records and recordings. McCarthy is also from that generation so the word "Tapes" is probably natural to him. The question I'm going to ask you is why are you devoting an entire paragraph to discuss the word "Tapes". Truly astounding that you Liberals/Leftists are over the top with anything that involves "Trump" move on Ann. Nobody cares! People like you and the Media are scribes, biased journalists, and have never considered anything to talk about other than what's good for your 'Tribe'. The damage your 'Tribe' has/is causing to our society will take decades to repair. What a sad life you must lead?
" ... January 6 tapes to be 'slowly' rolled out to networks ... "
Reels or wheels? Unrolled from the reels or rolled out on a cart with wheels? 'slowly' implies the cart. I'm so confused.
Patrick said...I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited
Consider it in the context of "I think; therefore, I am."
Whether it was selectively edited is peanuts compared to the earth shaking revelation that it exists. Cherry picked or not, those things happened. It can no longer be denied.
So instead of lauding McCarthy for allowing access to footage (as bad as tapes?) that the Democrats refused to release at all, you attack McCarthy because the way he is releasing the tapes is damaging to the Democrats.
Cruel neutrality indeed.
Ann, I still say "tapes" because that what I grew up with - just like records and recordings. McCarthy is also from that generation so the word "Tapes" is probably natural to him. The question I'm going to ask you is why are you devoting an entire paragraph to discuss the word "Tapes". Truly astounding that you Liberals/Leftists are over the top with anything that involves "Trump" move on Ann. Nobody cares! People like you and the Media are scribes, biased journalists, and have never considered anything to talk about other than what's good for your 'Tribe'. The damage your 'Tribe' has/is causing to our society will take decades to repair. What a sad life you must lead?
People who grew up with films and tapes and records often still say film or tape or records.
People still dial telephones.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Not even the J6 committee members cared to watch anything except the clips their ABC news producer cut for them to use.
Which means ABC already had access to the "tapes". Of course they did. There was a clear understanding of what to leave in, and what to leave out. Pelosi understood. McConnel understood. Liz Cheney understood. ABC understood. Even Mike Pence understands. So does the Shaman.
Are we seriously concerned with "why did McCarthy give access to Tucker" rather than, "why did the J6 committee hire ABC to produce their 'made for primetime' hearings"?
Carlson's access led to the [relatively] quick release of unseen-earlier scenes injected some contradiction vis-a vis the Dem interpretation(s) of the most controversial events/defendants re: what happened on January 6th: it bookends certain events (if you will.)
A blast of 40k+ HOURS of video to the public would have resulted in an overwhelming and likely confusing tsunami of twitter-like confetti messaging, of little value.
With what's now been released (the "bookends"), viewing and interpretation of a full release is now more likely to be more focused, more relevant to the core understandings of "what happened."
And, whatever one thinks of Carlson, it's extremely unlikely that his viewing choices and interpretations of same would be tempered by any deference to Dem influences. Which is necessary, if his viewership is to grant him any legitimacy whatsoever on the matters at issue.
His job is the rebuttal, the cross-examination, that was denied in the Dems' Jan 6th Committee....
Carlson kept requesting and requesting the videos for months. Did the other networks request to see these? Or maybe...just maybe they were too focused on protecting The Narrative, the J6 Committee claims that this was the darkest day in America- this insurrection with cameras in hand and no guns. When it was announced that Carlson would have access, did they say "Good! Now we can finally get to the bottom of this. We'll see what happened."? Nope they didn't. They suddenly seemed interested on seeing those videos. Like a child who doesn't want the candy, then sees another child taking the candy and proceeds to pout and shout and stamp their feet that the other child should not have the candy because it's theirs. At any time did they request to see the videos, or were they too busy attacking those of us who kept pointing out there were tens of thousands of hours of video that the public owns, but are not being allowed to see?
The networks didn't get it first because they didn't want them. They wanted conservative heads and that's all they were focused on. Now, it'll be interesting to see how they tell the world their view on the videos. They will tell us- and you know this to be true- that we are not seeing what our eyes are seeing. And that only the experts can tell us what we're seeing. And MSNBC, NBC, CNN all happen to be the ones who have the 'experts'.
Ann,
Why are you focusing on this, and not asking why the J6 committee didn't release these about 18 months ago? That is the main issue here. Or should be.
Should we assume that the major news outlets have not asked the Speaker for access to the video record, prior to this? It's been 2 years, after all.
I only started hearing complaints once Tucker started covering the story. And the complaints were primarily about his exclusive deal. In other words, the problem was, 'Tucker has an exclusive deal that we're not included in'. Not: 'Hey, we want to cover this important story, too'. Of course that might just be an artifact of the way modern news coverage works.
But, it certainly seemed that the Legacy Corporate Main Stream Media's umbrage was that the new Republican Speaker gave Tucker special, inside-channel consideration, and that's just plain wrong.
McCarthy is shrewdly sparking interest in the “tapes” that would otherwise not be in the news, because they are inconvenient to the stablished narratives on which a lot of what Garland justice depends.
Gusty Winds said...
Chuck said...
Why the "exclusive" for Tucker Carlson?
Seems obvious.
At the moment, Tucker Carlson is one of the few people that isn't in on the 2020 election fraud fix, and J6 Deep State sponsored "insurrection".
What? You're gonna give it to Chuck Todd? George Stephanopoulos? Those guys are state controlled tools.
LMFAO! You just proved Althouse's point, and blew up Kevin McCarthy's pathetic effort to make a point!
You Trumpers are freaking delighted that Tucker is the one and only guy who got the video! Because all of the others aren't on board the Trump train! Tucker got it because he knows the right story to tell!
You wanted there to be an exclusive. An exclusive, that excluded the Trump-critical media. Basically ALL of the media except Tucker.
This is the Trumpiest thing since his Zeleskyy-impeachment "perfect" phone call. "Just say that there is an investigation and we'll do the rest." Or like Trump's attempt to steer the Justice Department to an insurrection. "Just say that the election was illegal, and the House Republicans will do the rest."
"Just show some peaceful rioters on Fox News and the TrumpWing netroots will do the rest."
The Prof said: "That doesn't feel transparent at all. And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that?"
Unlike the Jan 6 committee hearings where all evidence was freely made public and transparent under the wise guidance of Speaker Pelosi.
McCarthy is just playing by the same set of Calvinball Rules that Pelosi, Thompson, Schiff and Cheney et. al. established.
Isn't this all digital material that could be sent to anyone effortlessly?
Just one example of the effort.
McCarthy’s “failure” is still a ginormous, leaps and bounds improvement over the pathetically partisan horseshit of the Jan6 committee.
He should have released the video to the public and let the chips fall where they may. He set himself up for some grief by giving Carlson first crack at the spin.
I disagree. Carlson has THE highest ratings on TV and a lot of people still get their news from TV - plus we know that what Fox News says becomes news to the rest of the media, both traditional and "new." Giving the footage to Carlson guaranteed maximum reach. Putting it all online and exhorting people to go watch it would have resulted in some bloggers' posting on it and being immediately discounted by all the outlets who uncritically went - still go - with the Dangerous Democracy-Threatening Insurrection!! After-School Special.
Furthermore - why Carlson, aside from the reach? Is it just that Republicans like Fox and wanted to reward them? Sure, I'm willing to say that McCarthy knew very well that offering the footage to all the major outlets at once would result in only Fox airing anything but the aforementioned After-School-Special version, but Chuck, name another TV journo who showed any interest in digging into the electoral fraud claims - any of them, from voting machines to mail-in ballot fraud to rule changes expanding absentee ballot eligibility and acceptance of ballots way after the election to deplatforming pro-Trump posters and flagging or removing pro-Trump or anti-Biden news in the months leading up to the election.
Note: Carlson didn't support or endorse any of those claims. But he did entertain the questions. And he did try to bring on people who did support those claims, and ask them for their evidence.
Name another person in the news media who was being that curious or objective.
From the post:
"And how did Carlson produce an edited version if he was just "seeing" "tapes"?"
Video files, even if streamed, can be recorded and edited. Software for doing so is available for cheap. The downside is that videos can be manipulated by users, but the upside is that the date of editing is in the metadata so it should be obvious if properly examined.
Reminder: the 'films' you go to watch in the theater haven't been on film for many years now.
You may watch a movie, but you don't watch a film...
From the stories I've been reading, the democrats on the J6 committee didn't even watch the recordings before the hearings.
They gave a Hollywood producer access and he put on a show.
The politicians just followed the script.
So much for our 'Democracy.'
Chalk me up as someone who is pleasantly surprised by McCarthy. Maybe his near death experience regarding the leadership vote has given him some spine. He is treating this as a battle within a larger war. He is also exposing the hypocrisy of the vast majority of journalists and politicians. "Democracy dies in darkness," indeed.
After the past few years, we can't be naive anymore about the intentions of the ruling class. McCarthy is standing against the tide, and seems to be growing into his role. I hope he continues to use his power effectively.
Tape is a metaphor for data storage as wiretap was a metaphor for electronic surveillance. The Democrats bray as the caravan passes.
As Ronald Reagan would ask, “are you better off than you were four years ago”? Regarding the 2020 election fraud, and the J6 set up, we are not. Unless, of course, your hatred of Donald Trump and his working-class supporters was so great, you’d rather see the ship sink than admit this reality.
2019 was a good year. Since Biden and his fraudulently installed, unaccountable government was put it place we are not.
*$100 Billion on a never-ending proxy war with Russia.
*200 Million Americans injected with mRNA.
*High Mortgage rates pushing people out of the housing market.
*Grocery bills through the roof. Utilities too.
*Increased violence and theft in our cities.
*Education System arrogantly trying to replace parents as a child’s guardian.
*Late night TV sux.
*Hollywood sux.
*Censorship is the norm.
*Woke Bank stocks collapsing this morning and the Fed will just print more money for the bailout.
The list goes on. We are experiencing what “democracy” looks like when the American government and even its business institutions are no longer accountable to their voters and customers. Just like how public education feels no accountability to tax paying parents.
Enjoy!!! We’re here to stay. The opportunity to fight this passed us by in 2020. We’ve “moved on”.
Heh.
Let’s absolutely focus on word choice.
If every (news)outlet has equal access and choice- lets let them do their job. Why hasn’t it been done before now? Too lazy to Wade through thousands of hours of “footage”? Or- the info was locked down and away from all those prying eyes and inquiring minds.
Until… now.
Let’s go!!
America 1st.
… &whst everyone else said.
Even chuck.
Even though I totally disagree.
It’s still a free country.
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Why is he saying 'tapes'-"
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"Film at eleven..."
It took a long time for those “tapes” to be released to anyone outside the “select”-too long. I’m still upset with how the democrats picked the J6 committee to “investigate” this matter in the first place. Jerks had the convictions all set before they even brought the charges and made sure these “tapes” were unavailable to defendants. I’m saying prayers of gratitude that we can learn more of what transpired. It gives me hope for the future of this country. Tucker can slow walk this and spin it all he wants. I’m hoping his attention-getting tactics will bring more eyes to the evidence and possibly the full truth of what transpired.
Pelosi was the Speaker who set the tone. McCarthy is just singing from the same songbook--from the other side of the aisle. She was the one who insisted that the J6 Committee include only Quisling Republicans. She was the one who let the J6 committee lie and lie--or is that "tell their truth?" If McCarthy wants to give an exclusive to Fox News, that is in keeping with Washington practice. By the way, none of the critics--most of whom fawned on Pelosi--have claimed that any of Tucker's clips are phony.
I'm skeptical of these crocodile tears from the Dem/news establishment. They weep as the eat us all.
McCarthy and co should build a site that holds links to all the files. They should include a key for the various viewpoints relative to the Capital, and a timeline of the full day so viewers have that context while viewing. No need to send the 41k hours of data anywhere. Let the public view and find the nuggets that bring the truth out more fully.
I want to hammer a little harder on the lie by Mike (MJB Wolf). It wasn't that Tucker was the only one who asked for the January 6 video. It was the Gaetz posse. It might be that Tucker asked Gaetz, and Gaetz asked McCarthy, BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT -- NONE -- THAT GAETZ ASKED FOR THE RELEASE IN THE COURSE OF THE SPEAKER-VOTE DEALMAKING. AND MCCARTHY TOOK THE DEAL.
Oh noes! You mean he didn't roll 40,000 hours of footage, so now it's "edited" and therefore discredited? And he reported on some footage within days of receiving it when the D's had it all for years and created their own version of reality? Big whoop.
Also, regarding pedantics, I still say "roll down the window" even though I haven't had crank windows since the 1978 Datsun B210 I bought in 1988. And yes, I still tape the game if I cant watch live and want to see it later.
You're too hard on Kevin. Think of him as granddad who still says "records" or great-granddad who listens to the "wireless." A decent reporter (hard to find these days) would have tried to clarify things for readers.
Saying "I gave him the tapes" may imply that there's only one copy and you don't have it any more. It's also possible that McCarthy wasn't there when Carlson got or got to see the video. So he's still got the video and didn't give it away.
Maybe that's it or maybe it isn't, but it doesn't sound like a big deal. The media was actually saying that the material shouldn't have been released at all, so McCarthy doesn't look so bad.
Maybe McCarthy was being shrewd with the limited release to Carlson?
McCarthy is responsible for a careful release to an ally with “appropriate security safeguards.”
Now, jealous envy has created a constituency for full release where no media interest might have existed otherwise.
In my mind, TL;DR
is now
T Chuck; DR
In a free society more information is better than no information.
Piss off Chuck.
Blogger Chuck said...
I want to hammer a little harder on the lie by Mike (MJB Wolf).
Chuck "hammers" lies with more lies. Why do you want to hide the videos?
Can you send them easily? You can't just email that massive amount of data. You could send links for people to access them remotely, but then you would have to be prepared for the traffic those links would get. Also, it would be a magnet for people trying to hack the servers.
You could just release it to the public, but then you'd have faked videos out faster than real ones. (Along with the same problems I mentioned above.) A slow, controled release isn't optimal, but it's better than the other option. If the Democrats and their media friends object to this, they had a couple of years to do it differently but chose to hoard the video instead.
If it had been released to other news companies, they would have declared it all a big "nothing burger" the first day of receiving it. Since Carlson had it first, now they're going to have to go through it all to make sure he didn't save any surprises.
Chuck's lies:
You Trumpers are freaking delighted that Tucker is the one and only guy who got the video! Because all of the others aren't on board the Trump train! Tucker got it because he knows the right story to tell!
The contrast with the truth is striking. The "members" of the J 6 committee never saw the tapes. Only their Democrat approved TV producer saw what was shown to the public.
Why do you lie and lie ?
“I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own.”
I expect that it is all digital, and would be be technologically easy to make the videos available to all online. That’s I think the ultimate goal. They need to be crowdsourced, so that what actually happened that day can become public. Why crowdsourced? Because the project is too big for most other approaches. Why start with Carlson? Sure, part could be political payback for the Speakership, but I think that it was shrewder than that. Carlson would naturally be accused of cherry picking, which he no doubt did. It’s the claim of cherry picking by the Dems that is likely going to drive the full release of the video from that day, as well as favoritism. The best way to that is full release. And with that, with the crowd sourcing putting the pieces together, the American people can see what happened that day, and in particular, who was behind it. Not just Ray Epps, but also others. Was it FBI and DHS? AntiFA and Black Bloc? Etc. Just in time for the 2024 elections.
The other news sources were not the least bit interested in viewing the video until Fox News got their hands on it. At times, they seemed to demand it never be released. Now it is all screaming and gnashing of teeth. You now know why Carlson was given the scoop.
I'm not sure why McCarthy would give favors to his self-declared enemies, especially "journalists" who are obviously biased and have truth problems. These other news sources have been quick to report lies about the J6 "insurrection," many of them refusing to correct the record even after it was obvious they were wrong and even repeating those lies. Of course, this may be because journalists are poorly informed in general and just don't have a clue. I suppose it is not lying if you are stupid.
Gusty,
I wonder how many people here are old enough to remember record "albums"?
Up to the early 50s records were onm 78 RPM disks and would come in an actual "album" of 4-12 records in a hardcovered book with a sleeve for each record. It actually met the definition of an album.
We kept calling LP 33s albums out of habit. And even today, even though there is no physical media at all, we still call Rihanna's latest release an "album".
I am OK with calling it tape but it does feel a bit wierd.
And why can't they just release all of it? Even Tucker, as I understand it, was only allowed to view the video in a controlled setting. He was not allowed to make copies or even take pictures.
I agree with others, put the entire 41,000 hours up on the web, let anyone download it and crowdsource the best moments.
I do not understand why they do not do this. If there are security issues, showing secret rooms and doors, let that be redacted before release. I suspect that is pretty minimal. CNN and Pelosi's spawn have already shown some (many?) of the security features so perhaps it is a moot point.
But they are still hiding stuff. Release it all. Release it today.
John Henry
"I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own."
Thanks, Patrick.
That's my point too.
"Ann, I still say "tapes" because that what I grew up with - just like records and recordings. McCarthy is also from that generation so the word "Tapes" is probably natural to him. The question I'm going to ask you is why are you devoting an entire paragraph to discuss the word "Tapes". ..."
Wow. Read the whole post. How big of a sledgehammer do I need?
My point is that this is digital material and therefore it would be easy to make available to all. He's saying "tapes" to hide that reality and to make it seem as though he needs to "roll it out" slowly or you should have to go somewhere to see it, as if there's only one copy.
I remember when I loved my Sony boom box with 2 cassette slots and you could dub from one to the other. Make a copy for your friend or a mixtape. It seemed efficient... at the time. But that was long ago, and we're not doing stuff like that anymore.
Don't you ever get sick of yourself, adopting your side's template and just cramming it onto everything mindlessly?
You expect people to read what you write, but I can't understand how you can bear to hear your own thoughts. And I am using the word "own" loosely.
their staff did, there's a digital watermark and yet they proceeded with this kangaroo tribunal, sicknick was not killed by any action that day, but they continued with the fraud, including the 20,000 national guard troops,
none of these outfits have shown a single shred of integrity, just like they papered over the summer of love, that claimed 100 cities and billions of dollars of damages,
and yet it was not, it was parcelled out for the second impeachments, lives have been ruined even if they were hundreds of miles from the Capitol,
“When I was in [Jan.6 Committee]
They would not let me be
I had to leave there in a hurry
I only saw what they let me see”
If they weren't attacking carlson for 'editing the tapes' they would be attacking him for something else.
Giving access to Carlson - AT THE START - was a good plan. But now that was done, others should be given access too. Some of this, needs to be posted online in its entirely. If they have to blur out faces so be it.
The better way, would have a panel of Republican staffers go through and decide which portions can be released to the public. IOW, do what the J6 committee should have done. What EXACTLY was going on INSIDE The capital. How many police were REALLY seriously injured. How many people were REALLY committing vandalism. And how many 'tresspasser' were just waved in by the police and walked around peacefully? This panel could also look into "WHy were the police just standing around and/or waving people into the capital"?
My suspicion is that only a handful of people were stealing things, and breaking windows. there were 1000 people who entered the building. How many did anything illegal, other than trespass? My guess is about 5 percent.
McConnell is real villian in this. He supported Chuck Schumer and attacked Carlson and Fox news. Why? Because he's really Schumer's friend and ally and hates Trump and his supporters. And that goes for the majority of republican senate cacaus that supports Mitch the Bitch.
BTW, I have boxes of audio tapes I need to convert to MP3. One of these days....
The natives are restless, Althouse.
Just imagine when the Trump indictments are filed.
Marybeth at 11:28, in her final paragraph, has it exactly right.
But the unfortunate reality is, with thousands of hours of video, pretty much any narrative one wishes to tell can be illustrated with a feature-length, apparently coherent film.
Scott Adams, with his "two movies" thesis, was not reaching far enough.
Variations of "giving Carlson first crack at the spin" appear above. McCarthy said very clearly that he "gave access to the one and only" news agency that asked for it. You may also recall every other news agency crying that this would put America in danger because Carlson would release cherry-picked propaganda and disclose security secrets: the two exact things the J6 committee itself* actually fucking did.
*Note Fang-Fang's boyfriend Eric actually put out a J6 video on Twitter that he got his hands on and he disclosed the secret exit, and Nancy Pelosi's daughter released video from inside the safe room for Congress and not peep was heard from the bedwetters. Mighty handy that she just happened to be shooting a documentary on the day her mom set up a riot and pretended to be in danger.
Don't quote me Chuck. I don't read your crap and you are an admitted liar and here just to cause trouble.
If you want to be useful tell us why no news organization showed anything except the curated J6 Kangaroo Committee footage. They've had two fucking years to commit journalism and none of them did. The proof is in the action not the words.
McCarthy was a teen when VHS players hit in the 80s, so it's possible he thinks of "tapes" the same way my grandparents would "listen" to a television show.
Or, maybe he is being dodgy. He certainly could have guessed how Carlson would play this. Cynically, of course.
Lots of leaps of faith here. "McConnell is real villian in this. " Tell us how, please.
I often play a little thought experiment here. Let's say that BLM or some other lefty organization stormed the Capitol because Trump won and the results had been similar--arrests, jail sentences, etc. I know with certainty that the conservatives here--or whatever it is they are--would be perfectly fine with those results. There would be no hand wringing over violations of Constitutional rights. And if people break the law, they deserve punishment. I see lots of concern about punishment doled out to fellow travelers, little actual concern for anyone's rights.
prior 2 years, no problem
now EVERYONE wants to see the tapes
i still say records and i dont care
prior 2 years, no problem
now EVERYONE wants to see the tapes
i still say records and i dont care
Information to flow freely. Illiterates and Chuck hardest hit.
The full release of the recordings will be interesting. Tucker told us there is way more, that FNC did not feel comfortable to show. He pretty much said they could see the undercover feds (from their actions). He said they did not have access to the facial recognition portion of the program, so they could not identify them. There are people who can identify them, and will once the videos are released.
there were 1000 people who entered the building. How many did anything illegal, other than trespass
The majority of whom were invited inside, remained inside the lines, and were caught off guard in a riot/disorder when the police summarily pulled the rug from underfoot. Babbitt, for her part, was recorded trying to mitigate its progress, failing to affect the dysfunctional relationship, she withdrew from the scene, and was confronted by a senior officer when the unarmed woman was summarily aborted in a prone position.
Lem is proof that great minds think alike!
“The natives are restless, Althouse.”
Chuck Man’s Burden
As trial lawyers say, the Opening Statement wins the case. It sets the narrative in the minds of viewers. And from there on evidence is seen to corroborate the thoughts the viewers bought into in the Opening.
This way was powerfully done. The surprise is that RINOs allowed a Trump victory. McCarthy must have been threatened big time by the MAGA guys.
Is this really the first time you noticed the legacy term "tapes" cemented as reference to video?
It's to avoid using a term like "cards" which gets compulsive gamblers like Chuck triggered. His new Eddie Haskell act is adiorable though.
"Chuck Man’s Burden"
Ha.
Semantics are important at a time like this.
My goal here is transparency.”
Well, you are failing. That doesn't feel transparent at all.
Why not?
The Senate Democrats have full copies of all the tapes, all the video. They can release it to anyone they want.
So if there's anything in there where Carlson is cheating, the Democrats will do that. The fact that they haven't done that yet indicates that Senate Democrats think the tapes are so bad for their narrative that even giving them all to the NYT or WaPo will make things worse for the Left.
McCarthy gave them just to Carlson first, so that he could release the truth, and it wouldn't be drowned out by the Left. the goal of "transparency" is to get the truth out, not to enable bad actors to drown the truth in sewage.
But what your'e complaining about is that McCarthy hasn't helped the Left create sewage.
What you should be asking yourself is "why hasn't Schumer given all this to the NYT?"
Darkisland said...
I am OK with calling it tape but it does feel a bit weird.
I get it. But "tapes" does conjure up thoughts or memories of the Nixon tapes (the missing 18 minutes especially), the Johnson tapes, sex tapes...
All things that are recorded, but not necessarily meant for public consumption, which is also the case with newly release J6 footage. Even the term "footage" references tapes as it's dictionary definition is, "a length of film made for movies or television". Seems like distracting semantics. Or...a well chosen term.
I’m all for releasing everything as well. Let the public sift through. But, I’d imagine with the successful coup that was pulled off on the American electorate in 2020, and on J6, there is “footage” even Matt Gaetz and McCarthy are worried about releasing.
At the moment everyone on both sides is sowing seeds of doubt. It just so happens it’s the MAGA side telling the truth about the events surrounding the 2020 election.
Truth in America doesn’t matter anymore. Especially on the "intellectual" left.
Patrick said...
I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own.
1: The Left has whined that releasing the videos hurt's Congress'es security. If you're upset at them not being on the internet, blame the Left
2: Senate is controlled by Democrats. They have full access to all the tapes. if Carlsen lied about anything, the Senate Dems could release video showing his lies
Which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. What's your excuse?
No, you can't prove "anything" and "any narrative" with the footage.
The Q-man was escorted by the police around the capital. Fact. Epps was doing more than just enouraging people and lied to the committee about what he did and where he was. Fact. And Hawley was not a coward who ran away. Fact. Officer shineck wasn't hit on the head by the protesters and didn't die of those injuries. He was walking around AFTER the Riot, with his helmet on and looking just fine. Fact.
We also have footage that shows one of the protesters being dragged through the tunnel for 15 minutes before she died. She wan't Trampled by the crowd. She was knocked down and beaten by the police.
Just because the leftwing MSM and J6 commmitte congressmen lie and deciptively edit film doesn't mean everyone does. Of course, its INEVITABLE in ANY controversy to get the "Both sides are wrong" or "The truth is in the middle" types.
"My point is that this is digital material and therefore it would be easy to make available to all."
I think the understanding is that McCarthy is not in possession of the material. Those who want access have to go and view the footage at a place determined by the government. They don't get "tapes" or hard drives or thumb drives or anything.
I could be wrong.
Let’s not forget that the American Left was all for allowing Pfizer to lock their mRNA research and trials down for 75 years, as they insist on mandating unnecessary, dangerous mRNA shots on America’s children.
Look at their bullshit claims about Hunter’s laptop. Or the 2016 John Podesta’s emails given to us by WikiLeaks. Or anyone caught telling and inconvenient truth on a Veritas undercover sting. Or baby parts laying around and abortion clinic ready for sale. Who are the people that aren't interested in Epstein's client list??? Liberals. That's who.
I’m all for transparency. If there are actual tapes of Trump paying a Russian hooker to perform some water sports on a former Obama hotel bed, release the tapes. Just make sure we can rewind it to watch again and again.
Ann Althouse said...
My point is that this is digital material and therefore it would be easy to make available to all.
So are all the Democrats who claim that the tapes can't be publicly released without creating a sever security threat for Congress liars?
Or are they right, but you don't care?
Because if neither of those are true, you have to be opposed to releasing the video in a free-for-all
He's saying "tapes" to hide that reality and to make it seem as though he needs to "roll it out" slowly or you should have to go somewhere to see it, as if there's only one copy.
Nope, he's saying "tapes" because that's a common thing peopelsay, esp people his age.
He's not releasing them in the Internet because the Democrats and the Left are screaming that it would be a huge security threat to do so.
If you have a problem with that, why aren't you attacking the people fighting to keep the video from being released?
Chuck Schumer has complete copies of everything. Why aren't you attacking him for not releasing anything, not even to the NYT / WaPo?
Why are you claiming to value transparency, and then attacking the only person who's actually providing ANY transparency?
Blogger GRW3 said...
The full release of the recordings will be interesting. Tucker told us there is way more, that FNC did not feel comfortable to show. He pretty much said they could see the undercover feds (from their actions). He said they did not have access to the facial recognition portion of the program, so they could not identify them. There are people who can identify them, and will once the videos are released.
GRW3. I vote you win this thread, because this is EXACTLY the crux of the matter. Especially the "He pretty much said they could see the undercover feds (from their actions)". There were undercover feds involved. And if all the 'footage' is release to the public, plenty of people have access to the facial recognition.
Well you need capital computers to screen the data because of such large files
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
"I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own."
Thanks, Patrick.
That's my point too.
Just think if that J 6 "committee" had wanted to show the truth. It's been two years !
Let's say that BLM or some other lefty organization stormed the Capitol because Trump won and the results had been similar--arrests, jail sentences, etc.
My understanding is that many of the people who are being held now didn't "storm" the Capitol. They were let in and are being held now because they happened to be in the building.
good question Ann. Why didn’t anyone go see the material? Like the J6 committee who haven’t even watched it? Like Abc NBC CBS MSNBC? Why judge the one person that is actually allowing access? Do you even see the giant plank in your own eye? It’s hard to find out just how wrong you have been but it’s healthy and freeing to realize we are all fallible..and all can be convinced of untruths. Let’s stop fighting between ourselves and accept that it’s us against our own corrupt government.
Kev lost his temper. He should have said, "C'mon, man, I got a plane to catch," or just stayed cackling.
I'm not aware of any media besides conservative media that was calling for the footage to be released. Are you? If you aren't aware of any, then releasing it to Tucker is not a fail at all.
What is a failure is our entire media not giving a shit about the treatment of the J6 prisoners, who likely are not the villains the same media has portrayed them to be.
Chuck, at any time in the past two years, have you criticized Pelosi for refusing to release all of the tapes to all journalists or the general public? I mean, criticized her here on the Althouse blog? If so, could you point to where? Genuinely curious.
Slowly rolled out means MSm will be showing leftist edited video up until 2024 election.
The MSM will continue to edit cherry picked scenes to convince average low information voter that it was an armed insurection that killed five cops.
The J6 Committee made a mix tape just for us, but it sucked.
Here's how its gone:
Pelosi: You can't see any J6 footage. Lives at risk. classified. Very hush hush.
McCarthy: We're going to allow Tucker to show some footage on Fox.
Schumer: This is an outrage! Lives are at stake. Mr. Murdoch fire Tucker Carlson!
MSM: Yeah Schumer's right, we don't need to see that footage. Tucker is an insurrectionist!
And now:
Tucker: OK - here's the footage.
MSM: Well, when can we get the footage and show it?
"I think it was a huge mistake to give access to Carlson alone. Release all of it online to whomever wants it. Now, no one can't rule out that what Carlson speed was selective or edited. Self own."
Thanks, Patrick.
That's my point too.
I have heard that there's a tactic in legal discovery of burying your opponent in data - the thing they want to see is in there, but you don't just give them that, you give them every gasoline receipt and grocery list scribbled on an envelope and make them find it amid the junk. Seems to me that's what 40,000 hours of recordings released directly to the public would have been. What's the likelihood that the people who did happen upon the paydirt would have also had the juice to publicize it effectively?
As others have pointed out, if Carlson has indeed misled with his selective editing, by all means, "transparent" Congresspeople ought to go public with examples and rebuttals. If they don't do this, it stands to reason that it's because they can't do so without hurting their own story. Or it could be that they're working on it right now and we'll all be abashed next week sometime.
Shorter post: "I'm angry that the GOP leader who took over from the lying crooks in my party has granted access to the video footage to a friendly media ally and not the Dem media allies, after 2 years of Dem party hacks smearing the GOP under color of an 'official investigation'."
Cry harder.
Meade said...
“The natives are restless, Althouse.”
"Chuck Man’s Burden"
It's a damn good thing, for you, that, 'dumbass' isn't a race.
Gusty Winds said...
Let’s not forget that the American Left was all for allowing Pfizer to lock their mRNA research and trials down for 75 years, as they insist on mandating unnecessary, dangerous mRNA shots on America’s children.
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The relentless Cloward Pivening via the Left/Media has pushed that into erasure.
There's some reference to message censoring with Twitter files. But very little about adverse events and basically zero about $$ driven death protocols in the hospitals where the sthe deaths occurred.
Damar Hamlin chose silence.
WaPo... Fox and Carlson should be awarded, rewarded for exposing Pelosi et al's J6-gate. Apartheid cannot be tolerated. Free the political prisoners!
Chuck has stated in the past, that he was more than ok with lies and fraud as long as it got Trump out of office. Why would anyone care what he thinks- he's a fascist and a propagandist. At least Althouse is just an enabler of the left- her Cruel Neutrality, you know, that always manages to find fault with the right.
Mr. Majestyk said...
Chuck, at any time in the past two years, have you criticized Pelosi for refusing to release all of the tapes to all journalists or the general public? I mean, criticized her here on the Althouse blog? If so, could you point to where? Genuinely curious.
No. I have never done that. I would never do that. Because I don't think that "all of the tapes" should be released.
I didn't think that "all of the tapes should be released" to Tucker Carlson. To his absolutely minimal credit, I think that McCarthy actually did not do that in point of fact. I get the impression that McCarthy allowed conditional access, or else he handed over copies, with the express understanding that Capitol Police would grant approval before anything was aired.
I'm not taking a position that now, for something like my own unstated reasons, the video should be released. I am saying that it is corrupt, nonsensical, inexplicable bullshit that Tucker Carlson alone has access. I don't much care if CBS, CNN, ABC, et al, get the video. But I definitely don't want there to be a Tucker Carlson exclusive. If Fox gets it, they all should get it. So yes I do want all of media to get what Tucker Carlson was given. And that is why I want other media to have the video.
And really, nobody should get the video unconditionally. I think that there are legitimate security concerns. Mostly because the Capitol P.D. Chief, and all of Congressional leadership from both sides seem to understand that there are legitimate security concerns.
“The natives are restless, Althouse.
Just imagine when the Trump indictments are filed.”
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"Be there, will be wild!"
I say 'tapes', and imagine I will til the day I die. It rolls off the tongue and everybody knows what I mean. Isn't that the purpose of language?
As to access, if, as seems will be the case, the mainstream media will get access in the near future I can't get too exercised about it. I'd have more sympathy for the MSM if they had shown even a scintilla of interest in the tapes over the last 3 years.
Let's say that BLM or some other lefty organization stormed the Capitol because Trump won and the results had been similar--arrests, jail sentences, etc.
BLM and Antifa spent the summer of 2020 torching cities, murdering people, and attacking Federal Courthouses
The Left attacked Trump any time the Feds tried to arrest any of them
So we know how things would have gone if the election hadn't been stolen: the Left would have rioted, and you all would be cheering them on for their "fiery but mostly peaceful" riots
My understanding is that many of the people who are being held now didn't "storm" the Capitol. They were let in and are being held now because they happened to be in the building.
@Lurker21, my understanding is that there are people being held who never even entered the Capitol. I’m sure Althouse can explain why that’s okay. Probably something along the lines of deplorable Trump-voters or sumthin’.
Transparency is when both sides get to present their case. And that did not happen in the J6 committee at all.
Turnabout is fair play. An eye for an eye. That's where we are.
I hear "tapes" and still think of Watergate.
is it that nobody seemed to know that the "tapes" existed and hadn't been released to the press--or the public--until Tucker Carlson got them?
The media--Newspaper and Television--is pretty powerful. At the very least it has a very strong megaphone.
I seemed to have missed the headlines: "Congress Refuses to Release J6 Insurrection Video." The hard-hitting editorials about "transparency." The need for America to see HISTORY, in all its dark and grim reality. Democracy Dies in Darkness! All the News That's Fit To Print!
Sort of like the Twitter Files. Collusion between the FBI and Twitter to stealthily censor and choke off political speech! Wow! Get us some of that and we will put it out there!
Nope. Total, abject, grovelling bootlicking silence and, worse, propaganda.
As someone once so elequently put it: Sad.
"My point is that this is digital material and therefore it would be easy to make available to all. He's saying "tapes" to hide that reality and to make it seem as though he needs to "roll it out" slowly or you should have to go somewhere to see it, as if there's only one copy."
Oh, c'mon.
As you yourself say--"Try harder." Everyone with a brain knows that the "tapes" are digital and that the footage can and could be released immediately to everybody. And that the J6 Committee put it all in to a slickly produced movie. And concealed the rest. And nobody but us deplorables complained. And a lot of people got railroaded because the government--the Democrats--sat on it.
He's saying--I got that power now, Watch me.
alanc709 said...
Chuck has stated in the past, that he was more than ok with lies and fraud as long as it got Trump out of office. Why would anyone care what he thinks- he's a fascist and a propagandist. At least Althouse is just an enabler of the left- her Cruel Neutrality, you know, that always manages to find fault with the right.
This is so infuriating. Your comment simply attacks me. You haven't added anything to the substance of the blog post, nor any substantive point of view. You haven't offered up any new information to anybody, irrespective of point of view.
Anyway, it is a stupid god damned lie to claim that I am "more than ok with lies and fraud as long as it got Trump out of office." He's out of office, sport. And you can't point to a quote of mine ever saying that I am "ok with lies and fraud."
I am so old that when I think of teams reviewing their last game I say they will be "watching film". Beat that!
Congress critters have no room to squawk.
We know that the Jan 6 committee members never saw any of the video. They weren't allowed. I have to assume by Pelosi. Because even the Chairman never saw any of the video.
Who curated the content? for the made for TV fantasy production, the dems claim was a congressional investigation. I have to guess the committee aides hired special for this "show" answered 100% to Pelosi. She wouldn't even trust her own puppets to do the "show" the right way.
To me, this was last weeks biggest revelation.
Sorry, the Democrats’ complaints here are ridiculous. They had months to share the tapes with whomever they wanted, and they gave them to no one, not one single journalist, and now they are complaining that McCarthy did not share them widely enough?
Anybody tries to abash me, Jamie, I promise I‘ll make a hash out of them.
Screw everybody else. Good for him for providing benefit for his media team. It’s not as if the other democrat media would call it Russian misinformation, or the worst thing since 9/11, or state that blm riots are more important that COVID, unless it is a church then it isn’t.
Screw them, they already spent two years spinning j6 with their disgusting committee and putting people in jail for two years without bail. I would never deal with them honestly again, because they sure as **** will not.
To your questions:
(Q1) And if everyone else could just do what Carlson had to go — where? — to "see," why didn't everyone else just do that?
(A1) Question was already answered - McCarthy referred to anyone else getting an exclusive. That excludes (at least temporarily).
(Q2) And how did Carlson produce an edited version if he was just "seeing" "tapes"?
(A2) this is how archives/libraries often work. You can't just take a copy of everything, but if you find something interesting you can ask for, and receive, a copy of that.
-Kristo.
I agree with Gusty Winds that there is probably some "modified limited hangout" going on.
Which is perhaps about the best we can hope for.
But what makes me happy is the knowledge that it is absolutely killing Chuck to know that the video is out there because Matt Goetz forced McCarthy to do it. Ha!
Althouse chasing squirrels.
"Inga said...
“The natives are restless, Althouse.
Just imagine when the Trump indictments are filed.”"
San Francisco will be the capitol of the Republic of Kalifornia before there is ever a Trump indictment. You're a buffoon. Why don't you and Chuck go off and make some transchildren.
Inga said
Just imagine when the Trump indictments are filed.”
Dem persecutor indictments? Really?
Like the Mueller indictments of the Russia hackers? You believed those were legit. The message boards of conservatives, rightly scoffed, because those indictments would never be tested in front of a Judge. In our system of adversarial justice, an indictment is meaningless. Even less meaningless when the feds do it to Russia entities. Knowing they would be safe from challenge.
But low and behold, one lone Russian entity appeared on the appointed day to answer the indictment.
Mueller promptly asked for a continence, to prepare a case. The Judge explained to the rookie Mueller, that the big boys understand filing an indictment means the Govt is ready for trial. Mueller withdrew the charges.
Garland cant indict Trump. Because that put Trump in front of a judge. Trump gets to demand Brady material. Hard to when there is none, or, it was gained illegally.
The Manhattan case is the same way. The DA is using an iffy legal theory at best. An indictment will expose exactly expose a crazed DA.
This is so infuriating. Your comment simply attacks me.
As you have done to others here. Why are you here? You have been banned. You suck up to Althouse with little praise comments about her wonderful blog.
Go away, which you deserve!
5 weeks of HD quality video compressed takes about 1TB of drive space. That's video of mostly non-changing background thus allowing for high-levels of compression. So about 120 hours of HD = 1TB. McCarthy gave Tucker access to 40,000 hours video, probably at least HD quality. That's at least 333TB of data, except those 40,000 hours are of a very active background with lots of movement, so probably well over 400TB of data. Linear Tape-Open (LTO) storage would be a reasonable means for storing the data. For certain, transferring 400TB of data is not effortless.
But hey, let's make fun of word choice on topics clearly beyond our technical expertise, because Republicans are the stupid party here, right?
...San Francisco will be the capitol of the Republic of Kalifornia before there is ever a Trump indictment. You're a buffoon. Why don't you and Chuck go off and make some transchildren.
Bookmarked, alanc709.
Thank you for playing.
Mueller will never have continence again, Iowan2.
When Chuck’s friends in BLM and Antifa burned the church and assaulted Secret Service on the White House perimeter more than 180 Capital Police were injured, 30% more than on J6. Where’s their gulag? Where are their dragnets and trials?
According to Tucker Carlson (from what I remember) those 40000 hours of tape are from all the cameras inside the capital. They include lots of footage of empty hallways and empty rooms. Not stated - but I assume, if all the tapes were released you could draw a definitive map of the inside of the capital- which could aid someone who was really planning an attack on the capital. As it was the capital police had Carlson blur one of the doors. On the other hand, showing all the empty hallways would also show how much or how little of the capital was actually breached.
Just to add to my previous comment, the Tucker Carlson team also didn’t review all 40000 hours. They were provided with a program that sifted out all the footage without people in it. Carlson also asked for facial recognition software to sift through the tapes but was denied that. BTW this is from what I remember. I tried to find the original show from March 6 but was unsuccessful.
Yeah, I couldn't follow this either. Why not just make the tapes available, if you're afraid to just release them? Are there really major security reasons not to just release them anyhow?
Sorry for the misspelling - the capital legislative body of the US is the US Capitol.
The claim of damage to security by release of the “digitally stored computer readable video representations”, or “tapes” is interesting. In past spy cases the government has decided not to prosecute because release of information in the trial would damage national security, so the spy went free.
Here, the government decided to go to trial, so all the evidence should have been exposed, there was an affirmative decision by the government that prosecution was a greater good than damage to security. So let it all out to the public. No one should say that the video should be kept hidden. It should not have been hidden since the first trial.
“Here, the government decided to go to trial, so all the evidence should have been exposed, there was an affirmative decision by the government that prosecution was a greater good than damage to security. So let it all out to the public. No one should say that the video should be kept hidden. It should not have been hidden since the first trial”
From the QAnon Shaman case, it looks like the excuse was that Congress (meaning Pelosi) only gave the DOJ what they wanted to give them, and as a separate branch of the government, couldn’t force them to give up more, so they only provided the defense what they had, which, as noted, had been cherry picked by Pelosi’s people. And because the prosecution didn’t have access to the video, it wasn’t Brady material. Or that was their theory. Sounds a lot like LawFare to me, slicing, dicing, and rearranging evidence, statutes,and case law, to get the desired result, even if it means gross deprivation of civil rights - likely on the Dems’ part, more a feature, than a bug. Congress, under Pelosi, could send recommendations for (highly political) prosecutions to the DOJ, with as much or as little cherry picked evidence as they wanted, the prosecutors could use that evidence, and deny the defense exonerating evidence because Congress didn’t give it to them, and they couldn’t compel Congress to do so. Too bad, so sad.
Legally, Constitutionally, and morally, what should happen is that the courts should have dismissed the charges when faced with this sort of very obvious Brady violation. Congress and the DOJ were working together here, with the DOJ choosing to use the cherry picked evidence to indict these MAGA criminals. I seriously doubt if the current, Republican House majority is going to get the same reception for their criminal referrals of Democrats to the DOJ. The problem is that the DC federal courts, and esp the District Courts, are deep in the DC swamp. Sure, the Shaman’s judge is extremely experienced - he has been involved as a federal judge in high profile cases for decades. But he always seems to side with the swamp. It’s the US Government prosecuting these 1/6 defendants, and they shouldn’t be able to get away with denying evidence because the political Legislative Branch denied the Executive branch Brady information, when they started the prosecutions with criminal referrals.
Josephbleau said...
The claim of damage to security by release of the “digitally stored computer readable video representations”, or “tapes” is interesting. In past spy cases the government has decided not to prosecute because release of information in the trial would damage national security, so the spy went free.
Bingo. The government is free to refuse to allow the Brady evidence on the gourds of "national security". But the only allowed response to that is "no prosecution."
Every single person at the DoJ involved in these cases needs to be fired. Every judge who hasn't reversed all those cases and freed everyone previously "convicted", by the time the GOP takes over in 2025, should be impeached.
It only takes 50% in the House to impeach. No, we're not going to get the 2/3 vote to remove them from office. But every single one, starting with Royce Lamberth, should be forced to watch the TuCo video, then have their statements / actions read to them, then forced to justify why they didn't reverse every single conviction / guilty plea / etc
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