January 10, 2022

"I have a lot more in common with liberals in terms of creativity, music and all that stuff — Republicans are always seen as staid and stodgy."

Said Greg Gutfeld — who likes punk rock and metal — quoted in "Greg Gutfeld has risen to the top at Fox News — and that’s no joke" (WaPo).

Also from the article (and this has nothing to do with Gutfeld's purported commonality with liberals):
The rare panelist inclined to regularly push back against Gutfeld is Tyrus, a 6-foot-8-inch, 365-pound Republican actor and professional wrestler, who towers over the 5-foot-4-inch host. “He’s never asked me to share his vision,” Tyrus says in an interview. Tyrus, who is African American, is a central figure in the show’s relentless lampooning of woke culture. He appears in regular skits as “The Angry Black Male” to mock activists who he and Gutfeld believe overuse and misuse assertions of racial inequities.
On the program, “racist” has become a punchline. On a recent show, Gutfeld held up a copy of “Fox & Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade’s book, “The President and the Freedom Fighter: Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, and Their Battle to Save America’s Soul.” The cover features an image of Lincoln in the top left corner and Douglass in the bottom right. “Look at this book. White man on the top, Black man on the bottom — racist!” Gutfeld said to the strait-laced Kilmeade. “You are a racist.”...

In Gutfeld’s world, there are countless racists among those who talk about systemic racism. He’s labeled as “racist” Hakeem Jefferson, a Stanford University professor, who is African American, for tweeting: “Make no mistake, this crazy opposition to mask-wearing that is leading folks (read white ppl) to act violently at school board meetings & council meetings & everywhere else—yeah, you can’t disconnect it from whiteness.”

99 comments:

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The left's obsession with "racism" should be a punchline.

tim in vermont said...

I once sat at a table next to Gutfeld in a café in Manhattan. He was alone and reading his own short column in some magazine; I guess that is a sign of focus, or maybe narcism, or pride, IDK. But "are always seen" has a lot more to do with the propaganda with which the liberals flood our culture than any reality I know.

"Democrats are all the good things about people and Republicans are all the bad things" is a line that sociopaths have been using to keep the rubes in line while they ransack the treasury for decades.

tim maguire said...

Like Gutfeld, i expect my artists to have stupid politics and don't let their childish musings interfere with my appreciation of their work, but punk? Punk has never been liberal. If Johnny Rotten we're an American, he'd be a Republican.

madAsHell said...

He appears in regular skits as “The Angry Black Male” to mock activists who he and Gutfeld believe overuse and misuse assertions of racial inequities.

It's about time!!

effinayright said...

"Are always seen"....by whom?

List of conservative actresses:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls070951126/

https://www.ranker.com/list/actors-republican-actor-and-conservative-actors-list/famous-conservatives

Then there are all those 20th century celebs who were conservatives, such as Hope, Crosby, Jack Benny,.....Reagan...

Howard said...

My art teacher was a staunch republican and Former UDT sniper. He was a very successful illustrator, author, teacher and entrepreneur. He stressed that the arts are mostly hands on manual labor practiced by testosterone fueled men. A devout Catholic, his favorite photographer was Robert Mapplethorpe of Piss Christ fame.

tim in vermont said...

I am assured that the new book "That's Not Funny: How the Right Wing Makes Comedy Work for Them" is not actually a parody, like it sounds.

BTW, there is a huge gap between liberals and "the right wing" in politics, a hypothetical 'center right' area occupied by no actual person. This is just as true as the assertion that Republicans are not into art and all of that jazz, and justly accepted without blinking by all journalists.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"Although Johnny Ramone was musically adventurous he was politically conservative. When the remaining Ramones -Joey had died are shown accepting their inauguration into the rock-and-roll hall of fame Johnny tells the audience that he wants to thank George W. Bush and America! Punk magazine reports that Cummings used to enjoy beating up hippies when he worked in construction."

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/culture/ramones_metallica.htm#:~:text=Although%20Johnny%20Ramone%20was%20musically%20adventurous%20he%20was,to%20thank%20George%20W.%20Bush%20and%20America%20%21

CarolMR said...

Brian Kilmeade is a frequent guest on Gutfeld! and he's far from staid.

Narr said...

Kilmeade is Gutfeld's Margaret Dumont.

Mr Wibble said...

"Although Johnny Ramone was musically adventurous he was politically conservative. When the remaining Ramones -Joey had died are shown accepting their inauguration into the rock-and-roll hall of fame Johnny tells the audience that he wants to thank George W. Bush and America! Punk magazine reports that Cummings used to enjoy beating up hippies when he worked in construction."

Punk was working class music, and the working class have always been culturally conservative.

Mark said...

Have never really found Gutfeld funny.

Heywood Rice said...

If Johnny Rotten we're an American, he'd be a Republican. - Tim Maguire

Wrong, typical misinformation.


Wikipedia:

Lydon became an American citizen in 2013, in addition to his British and Irish citizenships.[70] He later spoke of how he would never have considered becoming a US citizen during the "Bush years" because of the "horrible" way America presented itself abroad, but the Obama presidency had changed his mind, in particular because "America has the potential to be a nation that actually cares for its afflicted and wounded and ill and disenfranchised" as a result of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare").

gilbar said...

Johnny Ramone was musically adventurous he was politically conservative

Also, this girl (Linda)showed up, thinking that she wanted to be with Joey (and then; was)
THEN, she realized that
a) It was Johnny's band
b) Joey was a presumptuous wussy woke f*ck
c) Johnny was Hot

and so,
d) MARRIED Johnny
and THEN
e)Joey wrote the song The KKK Took My Baby Away

The Ramones, are gilbar's All Time Favorite Band, but
Joey's sh*t
Johnny Rocks!

Tyrone Slothrop said...

I first came across Gutfeld when he had a column at Huffington Post. He was really the only funny thing on HuffPo, and was adept at gutting whatever standard leftist shibboleth was current at the moment. I quit going to HuffPo because my comments, which were always against the gush of liberalism there, were never posted. I tested this by writing comments that were ludicrously liberal in their drift, and those were posted without any problem. I figured it was only a matter of time for Gutfeld to quit or get booted, and that was what happened. I was gratified when he showed up on Fox, first on Red Eye, and then on whatever he's done since. He's actually funny, where Fallon and others are just sheep.

Heywood Rice said...

Punk was working class music, and the working class have always been culturally conservative. Yes, and you're totally full of shit.

Richard Dillman said...

Just what we need, the WAPO's take on Gutfeld. He is a co-host on "The Five," and that group is not staid. And Tyrus does not usually play the role of the angry black guy. He is usually mellow, soft-spoken and very thoughtful. However, I have never seen any of the skits. Gutfeld is very knowledgeable, very witty, and extremely well-informed. He successfully satirizes and skewers extreme leftists. He is the current king of late night comedy, and the left is very envious of his success. I'm surprised the WAPO took so long to recognize his success. Gutfeld, incidentally, was an English major who graduated from Berkeley, a good background for a comic.

YoungHegelian said...

The rare panelist inclined to regularly push back against Gutfeld is Tyrus,

It's not rare for a panelist to "push back" against Gutfeld, and most of Tyrus' pushbacks are not ideological, but criticisms of Gutfeld's weird obsessions & personal tics.

A large part of Gutfeld's persona involves not only deprecation of his guests, but also a lot of self-deprecation, including his pretense to megalomania.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Howard,

Um, Robert Mapplethorpe did not make Piss Christ. You are thinking of Andres Serrano. Mapplethorpe was the guy whose photographs included one of fisting, one of a guy entirely covered in black latex, and a self-portrait with a bullwhip sticking out of his ass. Do keep your "transgressive" artists straight! If that's not the wrong choice of words.

I have forgotten, myself, the name of the artist who did that portrait of the Virgin Mary surrounded by cutouts of women's asses from porn mags and the odd piece of elephant dung. Perhaps someone here can help me out.

Rollo said...

Wikipedia often months or years behind the curve. Lydon/Rotten has already said that he was voting for Trump in 2020. He's also said that the US is collapsing under Biden. Not liking Bush or Cheney is obviously not a barrier to voting for Trump.

Drago said...

Mark: "Have never really found Gutfeld funny."

It's a generational and cultural thing.

I've been laughing along with Gutfeld ever since I began watching Red Eye years ago.

Skeptical Voter said...

I catch a few minutes of Gutfeld's late night show three or four times a month. He's usually funny and his guests are interesting. Since Carson and Leno have gone, there really hasn't been a late night host worth spending a few mnutes with. Gutfeld comes closest to the mark and his ratings show that many folk are of a like mind.

Breezy said...

Gutfeld speaks with good old American common sense. That’s the contagion we need across the media.

Drago said...

Howard: "My art teacher was a staunch republican and Former UDT sniper. He was a very successful illustrator, author, teacher and entrepreneur. He stressed that the arts are mostly hands on manual labor practiced by testosterone fueled men. A devout Catholic, his favorite photographer was Robert Mapplethorpe of Piss Christ fame."

Uh, if your art teacher was a former UDT sniper and he believes Mapplethorpe was of "Piss Christ" fame, then lets just say his attribution "aim" was off a couple of "clicks".

Actually, I'm surprised at you Howard. You spend so much of your time referencing bizarre sexual practices that I would think you would actually know Mapplethorpe was all about pics of bullwhips up the arse.

Leland said...

Quoting Wikipedia for facts is like quoting Justice Sotomayor.

Rollo said...

The stereotypes are true. It's the people who don't fit the stereotype who are interesting and make life interesting.

I think Gutfeld is funny but don't share his tastes and interests. I can't see listening to contemporary popular music for hours at a time, and don't dig the endless insults of people who go on his show. Still, he's a refreshing change from what TV usually offers.

JaimeRoberto said...

"He’s labeled as 'racist' Hakeem Jefferson, a Stanford University professor..."

Maybe because Jefferson sounds pretty darn racist.

Heywood Rice said...

Lydon/Rotten has already said that he was voting for Trump in 2020.
Do you really expect us to take your word for it? What's your source?

wildswan said...

Mapplethorpe and Serrano are to art as repo men are to private ownership. When something goes wrong repo men come in and tow away your car to the junkyard and Mapplethorpe and Serrano and their ilk are towing away art to art's junkyard - hip or woke museum collections and collectors. Your masterpiece might be on a toilet wall in the Epstein mansion next to a message "For a good time, call 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and ask for Hunter."

BUMBLE BEE said...

I see Gutfeld in the same folksy kind of vein as Will Rogers. YMMV. Cracks me up.

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...

I love when people cut and paste stuff from Wikipedia as if it's a reliable source of information. For pete's sake, even my kid's teachers and debate coaches don't permit using wikipedia for a source.

Chest Rockwell said...

Gutfeld was pretty funny when he was writing for Huffpo back in the 2000's. He would mercilessly lampoon and mock his readership. I'm surprised they haven't memory holed all his stuff.

I don't really get into his show, but I do like TheFive a lot.

effinayright said...

Drago said...
Mark: "Have never really found Gutfeld funny."

It's a generational and cultural thing.

I've been laughing along with Gutfeld ever since I began watching Red Eye years ago.
****************

I first glommed onto him when he was doing a bogus diary entry on Huffpo allegedly penned by "al-Zarkawi's Mom".

Heh.

I'm not getting the "generational and cultural thing". I'm a geezer, and I loved RedEye.

Look at his ratings today and who's watching.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-tuesday-november-23-gutfeld-tops-2-million-viewers-crushes-competition/ar-AAR6c3n

Maynard said...

I enjoy the Gutfeld show clips on YouTube.

Like most "topical" comedians, he is often funny, but his jokes can be pretty lame at times. He keeps trying (which can be funny), but his saving grace is that he is self-deprecating.

gilbar said...

Johnny Rotten: Sex Pistols star claims Trump is ‘only sensible choice’ in US election
Singer said he’d be ‘daft as a brush’ to vote for Democratic nominee Joe Biden

Kevin said...

Gutfeld knows three things his competitors don't:

Animals are Great!

Animals are Great!

Animals are Great!

Narr said...

Gutfeld is only somewhat more intelligent and well-read than most media people, which says a lot about our media. He can be funny, but the effort usually shows.

What America today lacks is good old fashioned spontaneous wit--but they fake it pretty well on his show.

Martin said...

It has been a punch line in the current crop of middle school to high school kids for several years judging from what I over hear. The will mockingly say "that's racist" about anything, especially things that have no racial component.

That has been one of the most hopeful signs I have from the young people I observe.

FullMoon said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Howard,

Um, Robert Mapplethorpe did not make Piss Christ. You are thinking of Andres Serrano. Mapplethorpe was the guy whose photographs included one of fisting, one of a guy entirely covered in black latex, and a self-portrait with a bullwhip sticking out of his ass. Do keep your "transgressive" artists straight! If that's not the wrong choice of words.


Howard is familiar with both artists, simply misspoke.

Amadeus 48 said...

Martin at 5:23–when my nephew was in middle school in the late 90s in the DC area, the nonsense put down was “That’s gay.” Otherwise, it was the same thing.

Hmmmm...maybe racism is on the verge of a surge.

Jim at said...

Leftist douche in thread gets owned.
Finally shuts mouth.

This is a good thing.

JPS said...

Leland,

"Quoting Wikipedia for facts is like quoting Justice Sotomayor."

I've actually got kind of a reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect going with Wikipedia. I warn people not to cite it as a source in formal writing, because you might as well have a reference, "9) Someone on the internet says this."

But every time I check it on a subject I know really well, I'm kind of surprised how good it is.

Jupiter said...

I occasionally run across a Gutfeld video. I find him amusing and insightful, except that for some reason he has a schtick of making cutting personal "jokes" about Kat Timpf, which she dutifully laughs along with. I find it jarring. I guess I must be "triggered".

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Heywood Rice said...

Wrong, typical misinformation.


Wikipedia:

Lydon became an American citizen in 2013, in addition to his British and Irish citizenships.[70] He later spoke of how he would never have considered becoming a US citizen during the "Bush years" because of the "horrible" way America presented itself abroad, but the Obama presidency had changed his mind, in particular because "America has the potential to be a nation that actually cares for its afflicted and wounded and ill and disenfranchised" as a result of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare").


Sex Pistols' Johnny Rotten says he'd be 'daft as a brush not to' support Donald Trump in the 2020 election because 'he's the only sensible choice' and Joe Biden is 'incapable of being the man at the helm'

Johnny Rotten's like a lot of people, his views change over time.

Only fools look to celebrities for political guidance.

Heywood Rice said...

I love when people cut and paste stuff from Wikipedia as if it's a reliable source of information. For pete's sake, even my kid's teachers and debate coaches don't permit using wikipedia for a source.

The post at the top of this thread is from the Washington Post, the quotes on wikipedia are linked to various news sources. Your comment offers no alternative sources for information because it's a lazy, phony argument that allows anonymous idiots "on the internet" to spread their speculative opinions as factual information. It's one thing to be skeptical about a given a source but ridiculous to behave as though no source is an improvement. Do "your kids debate coaches" prefer pulling shit out of thin air to actually providing a source?

Lewis Wetzel said...

Blogger JaimeRoberto said...

Maybe because Jefferson sounds pretty darn racist.


Because it is. Tying the behavior of individuals to their race IS racism. It is no journey at all to go from "of course those people are protesting at school board meetings because they are white" to "of course those people are stealing because they are black."

Drago said...

effinayright: "I'm not getting the "generational and cultural thing". I'm a geezer, and I loved RedEye."

A generalization the effectively conveys the point the Gutfeld's style and content tends to skew 30's to 50 or so.

But of course, he has all age demographics covered.

Big Mike said...

Robert Mapplethorpe died of AIDS more than thirty years ago. I hope he felt the pleasure of unprotected sex was worth dying at age 42.

Rollo said...

My "source" was Google. It's open to all and not hard to use. When someone says something you doubt is true, it takes only a few seconds to find out if it's true or not. Indeed, it probably takes less time than to type and send snarky comments. If someone says something that isn't true you can have the satisfaction of pointing out that it isn't true. If what you say isn't quite the whole truth, maybe less self-satisfaction is in order.

Heywood Rice said...

Johnny Rotten: Sex Pistols star claims Trump is ‘only sensible choice’ in US election
Singer said he’d be ‘daft as a brush’ to vote for Democratic nominee Joe Biden

1/10/22, 5:17 PM


Ok, so Lydon preferred Obama to Bush and liked Obama care but then voted for Trump, he's kind of all over the map like most Trump voters but unlike Lydon the domestic Republican Trump voters had loved the Bush wars and couldn't get enough killing and spending until suddenly they didn't. Trump embodied a way to erase the past and be reborn as members of an isolationist cult of personality.Now these "Republicans" have no core values to fall back on because all pretense of conservative principals were abandoned in the headlong rush to Daddy Trump. The current hatred of the left is a projection of blame based on guilt and an inability to admit error.

tim in vermont said...

One thing you can be sure of with Wikipedia is that alternative viewpoints are studious suppressed by various pretexts. I don't have a dog in your fight, but omission, which is Wikipedia's main weapon, is just one more way of spreading lies. So I am not sure at all that it is better than no source.

tim in vermont said...

"But every time I check it on a subject I know really well, I'm kind of surprised how good it is."

Wikipedia is fine as long as there is no political ax to be ground in whatever article you are reading. I don't know what it's like now, but I remember once trying to discover the gel point of biodiesel and not being able to find it in the article, just a lot of words about why it didn't matter and how I should just use additives.

farmgirl said...

As I’ve said:
Subjective…

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

FullMoon, I am not sure how you know what Howard knows, but his "misspeaking" seems significant to me. If you can't keep your transgressive artists straight, again, why bother parading them?

I am still curious which of them Howard's art teacher ("devout Catholic") actually considered his favorite.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Re: Wikipedia, I find it not remotely as bad as some do, apart from a relatively few contentious areas. Look at "neutral" articles, on (say) regions of the world, or mathematics, or composers, and it's more or less as good as any alternative -- better, often, because it gets frequent updates, and the print encyclopedias do not. I find it very useful, as a writer, in checking the odd fact.

tim in vermont said...

From the same article in Wikipedia on "leathernecks"

Contrary to popular opinion, it was used not to protect the neck during swordfights but merely to keep the head and the neck erect when the uniform was worn.

Then there is this further down:

The stock collar was worn originally to protect the neck from sword cuts,[10] such as cutlass slashes while boarding ships,[11] and to maintain an erect posture. The leather stock was adopted three years prior to the Barbary War in which United States Marines first fought North African Islamic pirates armed with scimitars. This is disputed as leather is not considered adequate protection against a striking object.[citation needed]

That's a. really weak objection, and has no citation, some protection is better than none, and leather would provide some protection. The original assertion regarding protection does in fact have a citation. The whole controversy is about avoiding the historical truth about the Barbary War and to bowdlerize historical representation of Muslims. Hence politics turns an article into a mishmosh of contradictions.

Just one more example of why Wikipedia is worse than no source.

farmgirl said...

https://youtu.be/PVTsBaqiNIg
The Violent Femmes- I used to listen a little to them in college. My roommate was a Judas Priest fan- eh.
I liked the schizophrenic mind of Jim Morrison. Reminded me of home… I was a tad lost in college!

My Mom watches all of those shows… they get along well w/her.

Heywood Rice said...

My "source" was Google. It's open to all and not hard to use...

First of all, Google's not a source, it's a search engine and if you don't cite any source found on google you haven't provided anything but an opinion.

cubanbob said...

What this country needs is another Johnny Carson. Usually good opening monologues and great comics and pleasant chit-chat. Dick Cavett was for those looking a bit more conversation on a slightly higher level. In this instance, the past was better.

Howard said...

Thanks Michelle you're correct. I confused the fact that he really liked maplethorpe and as a Catholic he thought the piss Christ photo was misunderstood.

Moon is wrong I'm really unfamiliar with the piss Christ artist I think for some reason I always thought maplethorpe did it.

Iman said...

I did learn that Gloria Allred was “born with horns and cloven hooves” in wiki before they made a clean-up in aisle 13…

Howard said...

I'm sorry Michelle I don't remember exactly why he liked the piss Christ photo so much. He was a true believer in strictly visual language and was a fierce defender of offbeat and controversial artists. Unfortunately he passed away several years ago so I can't go back and ask him.

rcocean said...

The problem with "Conservative" Humor, is it must be very, very careful. THey know thy're being watched closely. Liberal/leftists who control the media are itching to cancel them for any possible deviation too far from the party line.

One reason Gutfeld has the black wrestler on his show is because he's funny. The other reason is protection from cries of Racism.

The potential censorship even affected Limbaugh, who got less and less funny as time went on. He knew the sponsers would get rid of him if he went "too far". Tell a joke that hits the Liberal/left powers that be too hard, and you're GONE.

rcocean said...

THe other problem is that the Liberal/Left absolutely controls Showbiz. Want to get ahead in show biz? Being a leftist will help. Being a conservative will hurt. Some most artists/actors/whatever conform. You're funny and you want to defend Trump and attack the D's? Sorry, No late nite show for you. Only Leftists need apply.

I'm readng a Bio of Ronald Dahl - Charlie and Chocolate Factory - and the liberals in the publishing industry were trying to censor and change his writings. They didn't think this or that take met the current "Party line" and demanded changes. Its pretty amazing to read about. Even success don't keep them from gatekeeping and censoring.

William said...

I enjoy Gutfeld, but he's shooting lay ups. He's blessed with the fact that there are so many easy targets and he's the only U-boat in the North Atlantic....You would think that some of the other networks would take note of his success and find someone who can work the same territory. Adam Carolla is a more accomplished comedian than Gutfeld at least so far as delivery goes. Perhaps Carolla would enjoy as much success as his friend Jimmy Kimmel if he had a show on late nite.

effinayright said...

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...
I love when people cut and paste stuff from Wikipedia as if it's a reliable source of information. For pete's sake, even my kid's teachers and debate coaches don't permit using wikipedia for a source.

*****************
Consider gilbar's second source the equivalent of a Mapplethorpe-level butt-stuffing,

effinayright said...
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Browndog said...

Gutfeld was a close personal friend of Andrew Breitbart.

Drago said...

cubanbob: "What this country needs is another Johnny Carson. Usually good opening monologues and great comics and pleasant chit-chat."

Plus who is going to marry all the Joanne/as of the world?

Bilwick said...

I find Gutfeld far funnier as a writer than as a comedian. He's amusing on his tv show but there have been passages in his books that have made me laugh out loud--and that's something print humor rarely does. Of course his targets ("liberals," etc.) are fairly easy ones. If you believe the codswallop that "liberals" believe, making fun of them is akin to making fun of the retarded.

Jamie said...

...name of the artist who did that portrait of the Virgin Mary surrounded by cutouts of women's asses from porn mags and the odd piece of elephant dung.

So, pre-COVID I went to the Turner gallery in London - what's it called? Whatever. There's a prize given by that gallery for the best new artist of the year. That year, it was given to an artist whose piece was a large mixed-media portrait, mounted on stands made of compacted elephant dung. It was accompanied by a dense paragraph discussing the symbology of each medium (including the dung). I said then and I maintain today, if your art requires that much explanation on first viewing or experience, it fails as art.

It's fine to build in layers of meaning that the interested art experiencer can explore as time goes on. But for heaven's sake. If your art can't even catch someone's attention...

Rollo said...

I don't make any claim to "prove" anything. I merely inform. If I inform correctly, I have done my job. I did my job.

Bruce Hayden said...

“ Wikipedia is fine as long as there is no political ax to be ground in whatever article you are reading. I don't know what it's like now, but I remember once trying to discover the gel point of biodiesel and not being able to find it in the article, just a lot of words about why it didn't matter and how I should just use additives.”

I used it constantly when I was writing patent applications for the background section in the patent applications I was drafting. It was essentially public domain, and being in te Background Section was admitted to be prior art. Saved me a lot of work.

One interesting edit concerned “vaccines”. In January, 2020 (thanks to the WayBack machine), the definition clearly excluded non sterilizing novel gene therapies. By last summer, the entry had been significantly edited to include them. Surprise!

Jamie said...

"Ok, so Lydon preferred Obama to Bush and liked Obama care but then voted for Trump, he's kind of all over the map like most Trump voters but unlike Lydon the domestic Republican Trump voters had loved the Bush wars and couldn't get enough killing and spending until suddenly they didn't. Trump embodied a way to erase the past and be reborn as members of an isolationist cult of personality.Now these "Republicans" have no core values to fall back on because all pretense of conservative principals were abandoned in the headlong rush to Daddy Trump. The current hatred of the left is a projection of blame based on guilt and an inability to admit error."

Whoa. backing away slowly, eyes fixed on the speaker

walter said...

No worries Howie.
There are few things more hands on than fisting. And I bet those who practice it feel there is an art to it.

Xmas said...

One of the old Cracked dot Com crew made a YouTube video about "Why Conservative Comedy Isn't Funny."

The first section was on Gutfeld, where the guy tries to dissect Gutfeld joke, which seems to be about harassing a masseuse. The Cracked guy doesn't know that the joke is about Al Gore's "chakra release" incident and his harassment of a Portland, OR massage therapist (and several other masseuses). So the joke goes completely over the "reviewers" head.

Heywood Rice said...

Looking back , yeah of course Lydon voted trump.

PB said...

Gutfield is not my cup of tea. I don't see much creative from the liberal creatives these days, so that's a curious comparison.

Chris Lopes said...

"Ok, so Lydon preferred Obama to Bush and liked Obama care but then voted for Trump, he's kind of all over the map like most Trump voters"

Dude, you were wrong. Going on an anti-Trump rant won't change that.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Red-eye was excellent. The Five is usually very good, depending on who the "liberal" is. Some of them are decent - Harold Ford, Jr and Jessica Tarlov come to mind. Some are horribly reflexively anti-Trump/anti-Republican. (Juan Williams)

iowan2 said...

Gutfeld is not a comedian. He's an informed person that just points out the inconsistencies. He talks about the 'prison of two ideas' That a position MUST be binary. either/or. He blows that apart. The prison of 2 ideas is nothing but a weak debating technique. If you believe A. than you cant believe B.
Chicago's Teachers strike is an example. If you insist Chicago Teachers should be in the classroom, you can't believe Covid is real.

Lots of talent on The Five. Gutfeld, Dana Perino, Jesse Watters just got his own primetime slot.

iowan2 said...

The liberal on the five is interesting.
Jaun Williams is an intelligent person. Before his contract expired, he was tasked with defending the leftist narrative/talking point. The huge upswing in violence, centered in cities run by Democrats for decades. Williams was charged with repeating there was no increase. I never faulted him. He had an impossible job.
Geraldo rotates in to take leftist slant now. Geraldo was a forced vaccine advocate. He believed the talking point that if we were all vaccinated, Covid would end. The rest of the panel pointed out the vaccine did not prevent contracting the virus, nor stop spreading the virus. Then he came down with covid, and actually apologized for being wrong.

wendybar said...

I love Greg. He is the only reason I watch Fox News. I watched Red Eye, then The Five (which is a great show, and they are heads and TAILS above any other media outlets...they have been correct about a lot of the things happening in this up-side down world) And now I watch Gutfeld! It's a great show that isn't all about HATE BIDEN!! like the other late night shows are all about HATE TRUMP. Even a Democrat could watch it and enjoy (if they could get over their insane hatred of FOX!!)

God of the Sea People said...

I just have a hard time believing that The Ramones are anyone's favorite band.

Readering said...

I enjoyed Red Eye, although it was on late. Never understood why he was taken off that show. I never took to the 5, although they did have good chemistry. Largely stopped watching cable news channels in middle of 2016 campaign.

Rollo said...

For the Post, just showing an African-American who isn't obsessed by race is "mocking" people who are obsessed by race (and may happen to be Black). Is that maybe a little strange? Wouldn't exaggerating the caricature qualify more as mocking than downplaying it does? Reporting on satire usually doesn't concern itself with who's being mocked, if the writer considers them worthy of mockery.

madAsHell said...

Reminded me of home… I was a tad lost in college!


Lost in college???......we all were!! I just prefer to remember all the drugs, and fucking.

GRW3 said...

Gutfeld! is the only news related show I watch routinely. He elevates the news from tragedy to farce - thank goodness. His cast of sidekicks is well suited for his approach. Tom Shillue's impression of Biden is just so good (he's also the Angry White Male). The show is like a group of friends sitting around and discussing the day - after drinks.

ccscientist said...

I like Tyrus because he breaks the stereotype of a muscular guy being unable to be profound. He has great insights.

Narr said...

Juan Williams was not stupid, but he only had a few cards to play, and his shocked face got old. Geraldo . . . eh. Not quite meh. Interesting life, plays to his egotistical image cheerfully.

Tarlov annoys, but is more a yenta than a witch. Most media libwives are the latter IMO.

Harold Ford, Jr is a credit to the family dynasty. They were as powerful as the Crump Machine they eventually came to replace, and many were elected to office and disgraced. His father served in Congress for donkey's years, and was noted for great constituent service whether for Rs or Ds (though he was pretty hard-D in voting). Escaped conviction in a complicated fraud case.

Junior is squeaky clean AFAIK, in the manner of such third-or-fourth gen scions.

Oh look! They're on. Maybe I'll live-comment!

Nah.

Robert Cook said...

Punk was working class music, and the working class have always been culturally conservative.“

Nonsense. What came to be called “punk” was art-rock mostly for and by middle-class college grads (the Ramones being partially an exception). “Punk” encompassed a variety of bands and musical styles—Talking Heads, Richard Hell and the Void Oids, Television, Blondie, and Ramones being among the most prominent of the very early bands. (It came to be called “punk” largely because NYC zine PUNK covered the CBGB scene, whence “punk” was spawned.) These bands played “art music,” raw though it was. Of course, punk became associated with the proletariat primarily due to the English bands who were inspired by the New York bands. They were mostly knockoffs of the Ramones or New York Dolls musically, a riotous clamor that was exciting and rapturous. Then the American hard core scene came along and US football hooligans were drawn to the blunt roar of the style.

Robert Cook said...

”I just have a hard time believing that The Ramones are anyone's favorite band.“

Why? They were a revelation when they appeared, shocking and thrilling. Their sings are, underneath it all, great pop songs. Like most bands, their early years and albums were their best, but they never became embarrassing or bad.

Robert Cook said...

"Mapplethorpe and Serrano are to art as repo men are to private ownership."

You may find their subject matter objectionable, but they make formally beautiful pictures. "PISS CHRIST" is a magnificent image. Would you be as offended by it if the golden liquid in which the crucifix was submerged was ginger ale or beer?

Narr said...

I couldn't ID three punk bands and their greatest hits, but I used to work with the original drummer for Panther Burn, who helped create punk at the old Antenna Club here.

Speaking of Gutfeld!, one of his guests has been Walter Kirn, who IIRC wrote a weird essay in Harpers some decades ago, lamenting the sad state of rock music, which was rapidly leaving good taste behind.

Rock music and good taste. Yeah, yeah, yeah!

farmgirl said...

But it wasn’t- was it, mr Cook?
It was piss.

farmgirl said...

“Lost in college???......we all were!! I just prefer to remember all the drugs, and fucking.”

I was very naive- can u believe it?
No to drugs for me- &well- Catholic guilt for the other- lol. I had a LOT of guilt!!

Robert Cook said...

"But it wasn’t- was it, mr Cook?
"It was piss."


So? What is is intrinsically offensive to you about that? The image itself is beautiful, probably the best depiction of Christ on the cross I've ever seen.

CarolMR said...

Gutfeld wasn't taken off Red Eye. He created the show and he left after a number of years when he became a panelist on The Five.

Readering said...

I recall Gutfield on both Red Eye and The 5 for a number of years, like all The 5 panelists were on other shows.