The answer is not that the GOP is skewing Nazi. It's that there's a district in Chicago that's so irretrievably Democratic that no serious Republican candidate will run, and this weirdo is the only Republican candidate. So he'll get the nomination. Arthur Jones is one of these perennial candidates, running repeatedly, with no hope of winning. He's run in this district in 7 elections, and he ran for Milwaukee mayor way back in 1976.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany. All right. To me the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket,” Jones told the Chicago Sun-Times.... “And given the fact that I’ve got no opposition in the primary, OK, I win that one (the primary) by default all right,” Jones said during an interview in a coffee shop in Lyons....Should this be used against the Republican Party? Sure, if you're into taking whatever comes your way and incorporating it into ruthless propaganda for your party. Ironically, that would be Naziish.
Jones told the Sun-Times he is a former leader of the American Nazi Party and now heads a group called the America First Committee. “Membership in this organization is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent,” he said.
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I would bet that denial of, or indifference to, the Holocaust, is very common in large swathes of the more “urban” areas of Chicago. Maybe this guy would have more luck running for governor.
"Should this be used against the Republican Party?" Is anyone doing that? The article seemed pretty even-handed, made it clear that Republicans aren't supporting him. More of a curiosity.
We are quickly coming to a time where, in areas with majority POC/immigrant electorates, the Democrats can run blatantly anti-Semitic candidates. Ten years or less, I’d happily bet.
Seems to me like I have seen this scenario in a movie.... “Illinois Nazi”
If you find the little greasy spoon where Aretha Franklin is working, let me know!
When I lived in Pawtucket RI, the Republican candidate for Mayor one year was Tiny the Terrible -- professional "wrestler, dwarf, actor and politician."
This is a city in which the mayoralty is decided by the Democratic primary months before the November election.
Blogger MikeR said...
"Should this be used against the Republican Party?" Is anyone doing that?
Well. Duh!
Why are they letting him run using their name? Why can’t they just say NO!
”"Should this be used against the Republican Party?" Is anyone doing that?”
The usual suspects are still in bed.
By about 3pm today Arthur will be labeled the head of the Republican party and a key advisor to Trump, giving us *"another" "impeachable" offense.
The antisemitism is like a mad cow disease that pops back up every generation, unexpectedly. There is no known cure except quarantine of the carriers.
If the GOP wants to be labeled as a herd of collapsing Mad Cows, then there is nothing anyone can do.
IOW, in Chicago the Republican party is a Fringe party with no more hope of winning than the Communists or the Prohibition party. So a kook runs on the R ticket.
Keep on letting in a couple million immigrants per year and the whole country will have "Chicago Politics".
I see lying Johnny McCain is proposed a Amnesty bill with no Wall funding. "Just build the dang fence" is only a memory. Do ARZ Republicans EVER get tired of this asshole treating them with contempt? I guess not.
10-1 this thread will turn into either "Boy, I sure Hate Nazis" extravaganza or "You know who the REAL antisemitism are.." pissing contest.
Why are they letting him run using their name? Why can’t they just say NO!
Don't know if you're serious, but any resident citizen can file to run in any party. No party apparatus can stop him legally.
"Should this be used against the Republican Party? Sure, if you're into taking whatever comes your way and incorporating it into ruthless propaganda for your party."
Of course, which is why this made the front page of The Chicago Sun Times today. The by line is by Lynn Sweet, a democrat party comfort girl if there ever was one.
"They" say that Holocaust supporters are even worse than Holocaust deniers.
If the GOP wants to be labeled as a herd of collapsing Mad Cows, then there is nothing anyone can do.
@traditionalguy, are you proposing that the GOP assassinate Jones? Because there is no legal way to stop him from filing as a candidate.
I might note that Jones is fringe candidate, meanwhile a hardcore antisemite is the Deputy Chairman of the Democrat National Committee. Says a lot about the newspapers that that little tidbit is buried while the fringe candidate is front and center.
Is the Republican party powerless to decide who gets to call themselves a Republican?
MikeR said...
"Should this be used against the Republican Party?" Is anyone doing that? The article seemed pretty even-handed, made it clear that Republicans aren't supporting him. More of a curiosity.
Exactly my impression as well.
Is there a Republican Derangement Syndrome Derangement Syndrome tag?
I'll certainly admit, that the Republicans need to be extra careful in today's general media and social climate. Large elements of the media love to caricature Republicans as retrograde, racist, tycoons, etc. We can't afford many Roy Moores, Todd Akins, Steve Bannons, etc. The party has had a pretty good record of shutting those people down in the past; but obviously it has become more of a problem in, say, the last two years and perhaps that is what Althouse was trying to express without saying so explicitly.
Let him run. It’s not like he’s running the RNC or anything. Has Ellison endorsed him?
Todd Akin? Yeah RNC really controlled that situation, LLR. Great job!
Should this be used against the Republican Party?
David French had some relevant comments;
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456077/donald-trump-sotu-honors-adoptive-family-outraging-feminists
Where does he stand on global warming.
Just looked it up. Congressional 3rd District in Chicago has voted for Democrat in 64 of the last 66 years.
A Republican got elected for 2 years in the early 70s but otherwise, solid D since 1960.
Jones is a holocaust denier - but not a holocaust supporter.
OTOH, how many D Candidate's support Stalin and Mao's regime's that murdered millions?
We never hear about them.
Hate and Zip Ties
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/Column-I-detest-Trump-but-a-redneck-fixed-my-Prius-with-zip-ties-_165095870
It does not matter. Something will be found, and made much of, exaggerated into some critical controversy.
You are not dealing with an independent press but with a coordinated propaganda system.
I am a broken record on this, but it does not change this fact. You cannot avoid the propaganda machine by denying it material. It has an infinity of material. In fact by going along with the machine you are being herded by it.
You can only
a. Create an equal and opposite propaganda machine.
b. Destroy or at least credibly threaten the owners of the propaganda machine.
Is the Republican party powerless to decide who gets to call themselves a Republican?
Yes. Usually not a problem, because few will admit to being one.
Eww ick.
Is the Republican party powerless to decide who gets to call themselves a Republican?
Yes. Witness Chuck.
Large elements of the media love to caricature Republicans
In which Chuck comes thisclose to self-awareness...
Should this be used against the Republican Party?
Only after we've made sure he's not working for the FBI.
rcocean: 10-1 this thread will turn into either "Boy, I sure Hate Nazis" extravaganza or "You know who the REAL antisemitism are.." pissing contest.
Lol. 'Cause true.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
Sometimes the tent can be too big. This guy is an ignoramus and a grandstander, of use to no organization.
I wouldn't want to join a party that would have him as a member.
Buwaya @ 9:44: excellent advice. Unclear how many will take it; and, of those, how many can figure out how to use it.
#HatersofIllinoisNazisRRealNazis
Bob Boyd said...
Hate and Zip Ties
Once upon a time heartbroken, silent tears, nightmare, my anger, so angry, angry, angry, angry, angry, My fury, I hate, my outrage, exhausting, angry, aggrieved, Prius, outrage, diminished, outraged, ill will, ruining me, heartbroken.
Somebody sure doesn't like zip ties!
Of course the Democrats should use this.
Just like the MSM buried the picture of Obama grinning with Louis Farrakahn, noted anti-Semite and general racist, until it could no longer hurt the Democrats.
Mike said...
Todd Akin? Yeah RNC really controlled that situation, LLR. Great job!
I don't know what to say. Because I don't know what you are saying. Akin and Moore won primaries. To the horror of the people who are mostly responsible for paying the Republican Party's bills, and getting more Republicans elected. And they both lost; the lost winnable races.
Akin probably gave us 12 more years of Claire McAskill, and another (D) Senate vote. And Roy Moore did the unthinkable; he turned Crimson Alabama blue for a statewide election.
In both cases, almost exactly as Mitch McConnell predicted.
There is a portion of the Republican primary electorate, in many places, that needs to wake up and learn a few lessons. They have had enough of them.
And this isn't an "establishment GOP" thing, and it isn't about rejecting Republican primary results. Case in point; Richard Mourdock in Indiana. Mourdock is a good man and deserved to win. He was hammered unfairly by a biased media, in large part spilling over from the idiot Akin. The Republican Party never requested Mourdock to relinquish his nomination.
The real GOP establishment opposition, is to shithole candidates.
LLR: The real GOP establishment opposition, is to shithole candidates.
I know there's a great joke in there somewhere about ¡Jeb!, but I don't know how to say "shithole" in Spanish.
I don't know how to say "shithole" in Spanish.
Shee-tho-lay.
I see this as a great opportunity. What percent of Republican voters are there in that district? Everyone who voted for Donald Trump will presumably vote for Mr. Nazi, here, right?
We'll prove it! Let's see how many votes he gets; subtract one.
Being a Holocaust denier is an uncool, klutzy way of being anti Semitic. If you want to be anti Semitic in a cool, stylish way, I would advise you to take up Palestinian causes.
"almost exactly as Mitch McConnell predicted" (and worked so hard to make true).
A fopdoodle needed help completing his sentence.
Fernandistein:
Shee-tho-lay.
In that case, wouldn't the proper pronunciation be chee-to-lay?
Thank goodness he has no chance of winning in that highly Democratic district.
If one takes the logic behind the "diversity" propaganda seriously, one would support the election of this fellow.
It is certain that he brings a perspective uncommon in your congress, and that rarity itself would be precious. If anything, it is a world view vastly more under-represented than many extremist progressive ones that we are told are essential.
But I doubt there is any logic at all to "diversity".
There is a portion of the Republican primary electorate, in many places, that needs to wake up and learn a few lessons. They have had enough of them.
You mean us Deplorables? The ones the Republican Establishment (and the Left) have been trying to replace with immigrants?
If you guys had listened to and cooperated with the Tea Party movement instead of working with the Democrats and the MSM to destroy it, Trump would never have existed.
The RNC has plenty of cash on hand. They should try to recruit a normal person to run as well. That person would win the primary and thus diffuse the Communist Party line propaganda. Of course the Republican doesn't have a chance to win but it will make the Democrats have to spend where they didn't need to spend.
Every Muslim majority country in the world has committed genocide against the Jews this generation.
The vast majority of Muslims in the world have participated in genocide recently. No Muslim country has even a measurable Jewish population anymore.
The leftists don’t like holocaust deniers. They don’t go far enough.
Joshua barker
Repos are letting him run for the same reason the demmies let Bernie (who has always been an independent, never a Democrat) run.
They have to. There's nothing they can do about it.
Hell, I even ran as a Democrat in the 2016 presidential race.
John Henry .
Seems a little premature to use cute language suggesting Democrats are Nazis over this.
I agree with Chuck's last comment.
-unexpectedly
Deny 6mm Jews murdered in the socialist camps and one is rightly ostracized as a denier.
Deny the 6mm non-Jews murdered in the socialist camps and all you get is a yawn.
Oft times the opposite. Mention them and get called an anti-semite.
The other day someone pointed out that the non-Jewish camps were not "death camps" because inmates were worked and starved to death slowly, over years. In real death camps people were murdered quickly and relatively humanely. (to the extent that murder can ever be humane) somehow, this perso seemed to think, this quickness made it worse.
John Henry
And if one denies Stalin's tens of millions of murders, one can get a tenured professorship at Montclair State University to use as a pulpit to defend Stalin.
John Henry
I hate Illinois Nazis. - roadgeek
Perfect.
I have lived in the Illinois 3rd District for many years. The Chicago Bears have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl next year than a Republican does to win the 3rd District. The incumbent - Daniel Lipinski, son of his predecessor William Lipinski - actually is not as far left as your average Democrat (he opposes public funding of abortions, for example). So of course he's facing a far-left challenger in the primary, which is unusual for him. But there is really no functioning GOP organization in the 3rd District and really not much of one in the state overall.
Case in point; Richard Mourdock in Indiana. Mourdock is a good man and deserved to win. He was hammered unfairly by a biased media, in large part spilling over from the idiot Akin.
Just to remind everyone, Richard Mourdock, discussing pregnancies that are a consequence of being rape, said “it’s what God intended.” And consequently Joe Donnelly is the senator from Indiana. Unwise remark, to put it mildly.
But there is really no functioning GOP organization in the 3rd District and really not much of one in the state overall.
And yet Illinois is a shithole state that teeters from one financial crisis to the next. I wonder if there’s a correlation?
"The other day someone pointed out that the non-Jewish camps were not "death camps" because inmates were worked and starved to death slowly, over years. In real death camps people were murdered quickly and relatively humanely. (to the extent that murder can ever be humane) somehow, this perso seemed to think, this quickness made it worse."
Both were horrible obscenities, but what that poster (Young Hegelian, I believe) was essentially true. Extermination camps were designed to kill huge numbers of people very quickly. Most Jews were only at Auschwitz a few hours, because they were sent directly to the gas chambers.
Gentiles were more likely to be worked to death in labor camps and yes, you can certainly argue that that was a more terrible, crueler death. But you had a slightly better chance at survival.
The Nazis had no problems killing Slavs, but exterminating the Jews was their top priority. After the Jews were extinct, they would have certainly continued to slaughter the Poles and other Slavs, so they could use their lands for the Greater Germany they envisioned. There is no doubt Nazi rule was more harsher and more terrifying in Poland for the average gentile than it was in, say, Vichy France. But the Jews were still their main target. The Nazis, thankfully, ran out of time.
readering said...
Seems a little premature to use cute language suggesting Democrats are Nazis over this.
Not cute at all. Transitive.
Muslims have wiped out Jews in every country they control. Like the Nazi's did.
Democrats want more Muslims in our country. Muslims's are like Nazi's.
Democrats want more people like Nazi's in our country.
And we don't say democrats are Nazi's. They are Stalinists. Stalinists and Nazi's totally get along most of the time.
There is a literal Nazi running for office but he's not the real Nazi. Today I learned about who is the real Nazi. It's the Democrats and the Mainstream Media! And why are they Nazis? Because they called a Nazi a Nazi. That's how it works today.
Wanna hear ruthless propaganda?
“They were like Death and Un-American. Un-American. Somebody said ‘treasonous.’ I mean, yeah, I guess, why not? Can we call that treason? Why not. I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much. But you look at that and it’s really very, very sad.”
Blogger Inga said...
"Thank goodness he has no chance of winning in that highly Democratic district."
That's true. Some democrat nazi is going to win.
Exiled,
I agree about the two types of death camps and the people who went into them. I think it is a distinction without a difference. Both camps were intended to kill all the inmates. One type quickly, the other slowly.
How much chance did one have of surviving the drawn-out death camps? If they had not been liberated by the allies, do you think anyone who went in would ever have gotten out alive? I doubt it. Everyone who went into either type camp was under a terminal sentence. Life without the possibility of parole.
My point yesterday, and for many years past is that we hear almost daily about the 6mm Jews murdered in the camps. We hear almost nothing about the 6mm non-Jews who were also murdered (albeit slowly, if that makes a difference) in the death camps. NEVER FORGET
At best, we hear about "some" or even occasionally "many" non-Jews murdered. Never about the massive, 6mm, number. Most people are surprised or dubious when I talk about it.
I say 6mm but it was not really. It was more like 5.5-5.7mm total. Just like the Jews were also in the 5.5-5.7mm range. 6mm is a rounded number in both cases and should be fine for most purposes. At that scale a few more or less hardly makes a difference in the horror.
John Henry
One thing I am unclear of here is the relationship of Holocaust denial to being a National Socialist.
Many National Socialists are not deniers. Some think it was not done ruthlessly enough and there should have been more.
Some deniers are not National Socialists. Does the mere fact of denial make them so?
Besides the fact that the guy is a denier, what else is there about him that makes calling in a National Socialist ("NAZI") correct?
First time I ever heard of him was in this post and I don't care enough about it to look him up.
In general, it is hard for me to equate "Republicanism" with National Socialism. The two ideologies are pretty much diametrically opposed. It is far easier for me to equate the progressive ideology with National Socialism. Hardly a sliver of daylight between them. Look at the agenda of LaFollette's National Progressive Party of the 30s that copied the National Socialist party line almost word for word. Even down to the "Circumcised swastika" as the Wisconsin Historical Society calls it.
Then Hitler started invading other countries, National Socialism (and Fascism) went out of fashion in the US and the NPP disappeared. Perhaps that is why it is hard to find info on the NPP other than the WHS.
I will always be interested to hear any progressive explain how US progressivism is different from German National Socialism or Italian Fascism. Few even try.
John Henry
Ann passes on an article about a Holocaust denier who's running for office as a Republican. Ann defends a Nazi defender -- she quotes him as saying the Holocaust is -- present tense -- an extortion scheme -- and says that if people go on to point out that the Republican Party is running a Nazi for office, and cast aspersions on Republicans thereby, that itself is acting like a Nazi.
This is muddled Ann at perhaps her worst. Her view is that the only reason Republicans are running a Nazi is that they have no one else to run. And no conscience, either.
Ann and her white tribe, burning the torches.
I'm shocked, shocked to see political parties taking whatever comes their way and incorporating it into ruthless propaganda.
John Pickering, this is not a case of "Republicans running a Nazi" -- he simply filed his candidacy like anyone else, and hence appears on the ballot. The Republicans have no control over who declares themselves as a "Republican" candidate in the primary. Sorry.
John Pickering said...
"This is muddled Ann at perhaps her worst. Her view is that the only reason Republicans are running a Nazi is that they have no one else to run."
As Jane pointed out, it's not up to the Republicans. If you wanted to run as a Republican, they would have no way of stopping you.
John Pickering: Ann defends a Nazi defender...
You can't help being stupid, John, but it is in your power not to be a piece of shit.
Clearly, Nazis find a more welcome home for themselves in the Republican party. But it takes a master, Goebbels-level propagandist like our host to deflect that sort of horrible branding and blame it on the people who notice it.
Deny 6mm Jews murdered in the socialist camps and one is rightly ostracized as a denier.
I think they died because of racism and not because of socialism but I can see why a right-winger like you would worry that racism is given an unfairly tarnished reputation.
"Is the Republican party powerless to decide who gets to call themselves a Republican?"
Yes. Witness Chuck.
I'm not surprised that most Republicans would prefer to have Nazis in their party than they would Chuck. It's about the purity. The conformity. The lack of any sense of reality and moral clarity.
Toothless,
Why do you try to soften murder by saying they "died". They weren't just wandering around, caught the flu and "died". They were murdered.
Because of socialism? Or because of racism? Or because of both? And why would the why even matter?
And what about the other 6mm? Since you seem concerned with why, were they because of race? Socialism? Something else? Again, why does the why matter to you?
I never addressed the why. I don't think it matters much. I was pointing out that they were murdered by National Socialists.
Have you ever read Marx, squeamish? Take a read at Capital and tell me murder isn't baked into socialism. You don't even have to go far. You ca see murder's genesis at about page 4 in my Penguin edition
Socialism murdered 100,000,000 men wome and children in the las century. We could argue reasons if you think motive is important. Or we could argue actual vs stated reasons if that suits you better.
Before we do, I suggest you do some serious reading.
John Henry
BTW Squeamish,
Why not take a shot at explaining the ideological differences between German National Socialism and American progressivism? I am sure you can explain how they are notbing like each other.
You have read Mein Kampf and other National Socialist polemics, I am sure.
John Henry
Why do you try to soften murder by saying they "died". They weren't just wandering around, caught the flu and "died". They were murdered.
Because of socialism?
Yeah, right. I'm sure those murders (since you seem sensitive to the idea that people might not know how they died) were done to give lower-class Germans better goods and services.
You can't make this shit up, people.
Listen to him get all hung up on a name and then stutter while he flails around trying to understand exactly how many people all those French, British and Scandinavian socialists have killed.
Literally. Can't. Make. This. Shit. Up. You can't make up all the nonsense that tinfoil hat-wearer John Henry will make up. Just press "GO" and off he goes!
Some Indians scalped people so they should change their name, also. You wouldn't want to confuse the ideology of being an American Indian with the ideology of murdering white settlers.
They should change their name to "scalpers," right?
Keyword count (including headline, but who reads those?)
GOP - 6 hits
Republican - 15 hits
Nazi - 7 hits
Holocaust - 9 hits
"That leaves Illinois Republicans saddled with a nominee who is well known for his racist and white supremacist activities."
Saddled. Yes I suppose it does.
Every Republican in congress should be asked about this on CNN with the word "Nazi" appearing somewhere in the chyron.
And for reference, also from the Sun Times: Obama to exit with no clemency for Blagojevich
Keyword count:
Democrat - 0 hits
They probably just forgot.
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