July 22, 2017

Brilliant positioning by Kid Rock.


I love everything about the photograph, including the salt and pepper shakers that are luring haters to say things like "Nice salt and pepper shakers, grandma."

Stroh's = Detroit, Michigan.
In August 2016, Pabst partnered with a brewery in Detroit's Corktown neighborhood called Brew Detroit to begin brewing batches of Stroh's Bohemian-Style Pilsner, a beer derived from an original 1850's Stroh's recipe. The first batch was shipped to area bars, restaurants, and liquor stores on August 22, with special events all across metropolitan Detroit on the 26th.
Here's more about Corktown. It's named after County Cork in Ireland, from which many immigrants came during the great potato famine in the 1840s. I didn't know the name Corktown, but I have been there, because it's where Tiger Stadium is was, and I've been there a couple times (back in the summer of 1976, when Mark "the Bird" Fidrych was the rage).

Here's a Google maps link to let you take a walk around Corktown in Street View.

I took a stroll on a Brooklyn Street...

gloves 3

... down past the glove factory...

glove 2

"On Hand Since 1912."

ADDED: I'll bet Dan Rather regrets creating this showpiece:

154 comments:

Achilles said...

I am already loving Senator Rock.

This will be another object lesson for the Republican party on how to win elections.

It is too bad Rodney is no longer with us. He would have made a great senator too.

Chuck said...

"...it's where Tiger Stadium is..."

Where Tiger Stadium was.

In a crime against civilization on a par with the destruction of the old Penn Station and the Buddhas at Bamiyan, Tiger Stadium was demolished in 2009.

dustbunny said...

Without reading I just looked at the photo thinking it was lunch at Meadhouse. My first thought was " I'm surprised Althouse uses salt and pepper shakers like that, I wonder if she inherited them".

madAsHell said...

I tend to ignore bombasts like Kid Rock, but every once in a while, I find a bombast with substance. You can't get much more Detroit than that picture.

Well.....maybe a book of matches on Devil's Night.

David Begley said...

Chuck is feeding Grandma Debbie applesauce because she can't eat corn with her dentures. Kid Rock will be independent! Debbie is old and tired and part of the D.C. elite. She would never drink a beer but she does drink decadent cocktails made with Russian vodka. Drinking buds with Hillary.

Serious question: How will his name appear on the ballot? I say he uses his full legal name just to make his landslide victory even more sweet. "I never traded on my stage name!"

exhelodrvr1 said...

Kurt article by Kurt Schlichter on Kid Rock:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/07/20/we-must-elect-senator-kid-rock-n2356950

rehajm said...

That dining room looks uber shabby chic. Some high falutin interior designer?

Bad Lieutenant said...

Tiger Stadium was demolished in 2009.

7/22/17, 12:20 PM


They played baseball in Michigan?

Who knew?

Chuck said...

Yes, David Begley; Kid Rock would appear on a Michigan primary ballot as "Robert Ritchie" unless and until he legally changes it.

I'll never endorse, or even have a good word for, Debbie Stabenow.

The much more serious question for you is who will vote for Robert Ritchie, the pro-choice, pro-Obergefell former petty criminal, instead of former Michigan Chief Justice Robert Young, the black conservative Republican from the Detroit neighborhoods via Harvard Law School? Bob Young has won three statewide elections.

Bob Ellison said...

That Dan Rather video reveals a lot. Successful people (like Kid Rock) are usually talented in many ways. He speaks well, uses big words an' a' that. He shows humility about his musical ability, and he's wrong. I don't like his stuff, but he's good at it. He also talks proudly about his ability to connect with his audience. That's the most important thing, the Trump thing.

James Smith said...

Bad Lieutenant, We are in crazy times. There's even bee reported sightings of a professional football team in MN

David Begley said...

Chuck:

I didn't know Bob Young had declared.

In Nebraska, a candidate can appear on the ballot without the full legal name. Thus, Ben Nelson rather than Earl Benjamin Nelson or E. Benjamin Nelson.

roadgeek said...

I like the bits Althouse is doing with Google Street View. The master, however, is James Lileks. On Fridays, he uses Street View to tour the downtown area of some town anywhere in the country, and comments on the buildings and their architectural styles. He toured Raton, New Mexico this past week, and was impressed.

brylun said...

Kid Rock wins any primary, and the general.

Mark said...

They played baseball in Michigan?

They played a lot of baseball at Michigan and Trumbull. A place that looked and smelled and felt like a ball park.

And it wasn't only Tiger Stadium that was killed -- and there were probably a couple of sick bastards watching and laughing about that too -- Stroh's was killed too.

Hard to believe it was once the third largest brewery before it crashed and burned.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

The much more serious question for you is who will vote for Robert Ritchie, the pro-choice, pro-Obergefell former petty criminal, instead of former Michigan Chief Justice Robert Young, the black conservative Republican from the Detroit neighborhoods via Harvard Law School?

This is what you are going to have to learn Chuck.

We need Robert Richie. In order for the conservative movement to grow and adapt it needs to modernize and become more diverse. Truly diverse. We don't need anymore harvard lawyers. Robert Young I am sure is a great guy but he has been in government all his life if he is a chief justice.

The best parts of this country don't go to school at harvard and spend their life in government.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

President Kid Rock will be fun to introduce to the Europeans.

rehajm said...

From one beer lover to another...

Excellent campaign slogan.

FullMoon said...

The much more serious question for you is who will vote for Robert Ritchie, the pro-choice, pro-Obergefell former petty criminal, instead of former Michigan Chief Justice Robert Young, the black conservative Republican from the Detroit neighborhoods via Harvard Law School? Bob Young has won three statewide elections.

People who want change, and anti-Trump hypocrites, that's who.
Imagine he will do town halls and concerts and have quite the diverse selection of musicians there with him. Gonna lock in the black vote and the young voters.

Chuck said...

The best parts of this country don't go to school at harvard and spend their life in government.

But Bob Young hasn't spent his whole life in government. He's not in government now. He left the court. Before his time on the court -- time during which his record as a conservative in the mold of Scalia was impeccable -- he was in private practice and insurance.

That was back when Kid Rock was getting arrested for petty crimes and assaults. I don't think that Kid Rock is all that representative of the best parts of this country. Not by judging the videos, including but not limited to the sex tapes.

This is going to turn into a very stupid argument soon, I fear. I have no desire to hash it out with Kid Rock fans who like him for his celebrity. Do Trump fans understand that Justice Young was placed by Trump on the list for possible Supreme Court nominations?

Feste said...

“Tiger Stadium was demolished in 2009.”

Tiger fans did it. Stomping and a-roaring. All those Cecil Fielder home runs.

Kaline built it.

Fielder fans tore it down.

Utah Chris said...

So I knew Kid Rock was considering a run as a candidate but hadn't paid much attention until watching the full 56 odd minute interview. As much as I dislike Dan Rather, he was a gracious interviewer (although a bit creaky getting into the polarus) and presented Kid Rock as an everyday person, humble, certainly successful, but someone that can certainly articulate the difference between Detroit and California. God bless him!

donald said...

Kid Rock wrapped himself in an American flag during a show in the 2004 and praised George Bush. The Republican party shitheads who ran things were real clear that they wanted no part of this base individual. Seeing as how they are shitheads and all.

FullMoon said...

Do Trump fans understand that Justice Young was placed by Trump on the list for possible Supreme Court nominations?

7/22/17, 1:15 PM


Having read your prior convincing adulation, I for one would hope the Mr. Young is still on the list, and that he is presented the opportunity in the near future. Realistically, having him on Supreme court would seem more beneficial to the direction of the country. Being a Senator just makes him one of many.

FullMoon said...

Do Trump fans understand that Justice Young was placed by Trump on the list for possible Supreme Court nominations?

7/22/17, 1:15 PM

On the other hand, Trump has not been exactly 100% in some of his selections.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

But Bob Young hasn't spent his whole life in government. He's not in government now. He left the court. Before his time on the court -- time during which his record as a conservative in the mold of Scalia was impeccable -- he was in private practice and insurance.

Oh god...

That was back when Kid Rock was getting arrested for petty crimes and assaults. I don't think that Kid Rock is all that representative of the best parts of this country. Not by judging the videos, including but not limited to the sex tapes.

Do you realize not everyone grows up in a nice neighborhood or with a perfect family or goes to the right schools? Your GOPe is limited, boring, and stale and will not be able to adapt to the disruptions coming for our society.

This is going to turn into a very stupid argument soon, I fear. I have no desire to hash it out with Kid Rock fans who like him for his celebrity. Do Trump fans understand that Justice Young was placed by Trump on the list for possible Supreme Court nominations?

Your condescension is a tell. You do not want to engage the real reasons why we might support Kid Rock. If you watch that interview with Rather you will see that he is not a lightweight celebrity much like Trump is not a lightweight celebrity. But you refuse to acknowledge the depth in these people because they didn't become lawyers and live cookie cutter lives.

We want the republican party to win going forward. That precludes the party nominating every harvard trained lawyer elected official we can find. It is the narrow thinking of all of you people that has led us to the place where we look elsewhere for leadership.

Chuck said...

Full Moon:
No, Young thought it a bit of a joke. At 66, we could do much better in nominating a younger Justice, and get (hopefully) another decade or two out of a conservative seat on the Court.

But ideologically, Trump could do no better than Young, which makes me wonder why the Kid Rock crowd would be so dismissive. (The answer, undoubtedly, is that the Kid Rock crowd has no clue who else might be in a primary. The Kid Rock crowd probably doesn't have a clue about much of anything.)

Feste said...

Rock beware.
Watch,
little, wee-little, Donnie,
still, going in tongue first, .
all press shake ups,
just another Dali,
a tit,
with a snake in her hand.

Don't go down,
on a woman like this,
mouth first, Kid.

Mueller gets it. Live by the media. Die by the media.

Swede said...

I think Senator Kid Rock will be a great counter-balance to Senator Stuart Smalley.

Chuck said...

Swede said...
I think Senator Kid Rock will be a great counter-balance to Senator Stuart Smalley.

I'm concerned about the things where Kid Rock might agree with Senator Stuart Smalley.



Mike said...

(The answer, undoubtedly, is that the Kid Rock crowd has no clue who else might be in a primary. The Kid Rock crowd probably doesn't have a clue about much of anything.)

And this is the trenchant insight we pay so much to read here. Good to we you learned humility after last November.

FullMoon said...

(The answer, undoubtedly, is that the Kid Rock crowd has no clue who else might be in a primary. The Kid Rock crowd probably doesn't have a clue about much of anything.)

7/22/17, 1:31 PM


I rate that comment 80% truthful. Most voters are either unaware of what is happening, or get most of their info first hand from radio news at top of the hour, or ABC, CBS, NBC news at dinnertime.

Agree or disagree on whatever subject, we on the internet who are interested and semi, or well informed are a minority. I acknowledge being ill informed, but am a virtual encyclopedia of info compared to many of my educated neighbors.

Snark said...

If he runs, there will be inevitable comparisons to Trump. Equally inevitably, those comparisons will be superficial and, I suspect, mostly wrong. As a person and prospective politician he actually reminds me much more of Obama in a single but significant way. Obama had a self-definition - a person with a unique skill to bring people together - that one got the sense he saw as political destiny. I think Kid Rock has a similarly motivating self-definition as a person who can move seamlessly between disparate worlds and operate from a ruthlessly honest perch just above with that birds eye view . That picture says what I believe Kid Rock believes about himself: I am all of you and none of you, and you never met a motherfucker quite like me.

poker1one said...

Harvard is a diminished brand where I am just a few miles northeast. We see them misunderstanding simple instructions at the post office all the time. I'm guessing out in the hinterlands it's still a big deal the way Europe is still a big deal to Harvard grads. The country has been ill served by Harvard grads, you can look up the facts but one stands out: Al Franken! We should tax its endowment the way Barracky promised to tax coal mines.

Mike said...

Ack. "Good to see you learned humility..."

madAsHell said...

I am all of you and none of you, and you never met a motherfucker quite like me.

It deserves to be repeated.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

"You run deep, hoss." I like the way that Kid Rock handles Dan Rather at the end.

Etienne said...
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Achilles said...

Chuck said...

But ideologically, Trump could do no better than Young, which makes me wonder why the Kid Rock crowd would be so dismissive.

We don't need the old GOPe anymore. You people failed. At everything.

(The answer, undoubtedly, is that the Kid Rock crowd has no clue who else might be in a primary. The Kid Rock crowd probably doesn't have a clue about much of anything.)

Undoubtedly. Chuck can't make an argument against us. So like any other leftist he sets up a strawman and knocks it down.

You aren't as smart as you think you are Chuck. We are way ahead of you. Trump was the initiating event. But Trump is limited ideologically. While we support him against an enemy he isn't the ideal we are going for.

Kid Rock is much closer. And his opening statement announcing his candidacy was pitch perfect. Kid Rock is going to be the true reforming character in the evolution of the Republican Party. Just read Snark's comment above to see why.

Ron said...

I bought a padded box seat from the old Tiger stadium...and we used to call that Glove plant "Atomic Mitten", because it used to have a painting of a glove with an atom symbol in the palm with a glowing background! Why that, I don't know....

Went on the field at Tiger stadium, and in the clubhouse...they used to have autograph sessions with players for people who contributed to a college fund for the batboys. I got Al Kaline to sign my Al Kaline mitt!

Swede said...

Sounds like he painted your town red and your wife white.

Browndog said...

Went on the field at Tiger stadium, and in the clubhouse...they used to have autograph sessions with players for people who contributed to a college fund for the batboys. I got Al Kaline to sign my Al Kaline mitt!

Nice work.

Kaline was always, and still is, my favorite player. And yes, I had a Kaline glove all through Little League. I still have it....sorta. My sister stole it.

Ann Althouse said...

"In a crime against civilization on a par with the destruction of the old Penn Station and the Buddhas at Bamiyan, Tiger Stadium was demolished in 2009."

So... is the new one not where the old one was?

That was such a great place, so different from any other ball park I've been in. I couldn't believe how close we were to the bases.

Birkel said...

Who took Obergefell in the fopdoodle office pool?

Boo!

Bruce Hayden said...

"Do you realize not everyone grows up in a nice neighborhood or with a perfect family or goes to the right schools? Your GOPe is limited, boring, and stale and will not be able to adapt to the disruptions coming for our society. "

As with Trump, this is somewhat contrived with Kid Rock. Apparently, he grew up in a nice very large house on well manicured 5-6 acres. Etc. His father was apparently a car dealer. Not car salesman, but rather the guy who hires the car salesmen. Growing up, we had a number of them in the neighborhood. It was boom and (mostly) bust, but when they were booming, they tended to have the biggest houses in our upscale neighborhood. Notably bigger than the doctors and lawyers did.

Browndog said...

For the record, Corktown started as a slum for non-English speaking immigrants. Became known for the well kept, colorfully painted houses. It fell into disrepair like the rest of Detroit, and was on the verge of being annexed by Mexican town next door (Mexican town, by the way, was the best kept working class neighborhood in Detroit).

Then, the Hipsters made a run on it.

Corktown is now Hipstertown.

Quayle said...

Writing from Oakland County Michigan, he's got my vote already.

The Senate is already full of showboaters, incompetents,and clowns. At least kid rock is entertaining, and most importantly he doesn't take himself too seriously.

Limited blogger said...

As a peon living in the People's Republic of New York, subject to the magisterial whims of Prince Andy (his father was king, remember), Lady Gillibrand, and Sir Chuckie, it is so invigorating to see Kid Rock take his shots.

Chuck said...

No, Ann, the new stadium -- Comerica Park -- is near the Fox Theater, just off Woodward north of Grand Circus Park. It is now part of an impressive complex of stadiums. Ford Field, the new Little Ceasars Arena (Red Wings and Pistons, opening this fall) and Comerica.

And, while it is nice and family-friendly, it is utterly soulless.

They do not make stadiums like Tiger Stadium anymore. Tiger Stadium and Fenway Park were built in the same year. They used lots of steel columns to place seats very close to the field; you are so right to observe that. The problem was that all of those pillars created restricted-view seats. So Tiger Stadium had 40,000 amazing seats and 14,000 dubious seats. I have been to a lot of MLB ballparks. Tiger Stadium was as good as any, including Wrigley and Fenway and the old Yankee Stadium. Dick Enberg, the old NBC Sports anchor once compared Center Court at Wimbledon, to Tiger Stadium.

The corner of Michigan and Trumbull where the old ballpark is forlorn and abandoned. There is a ball field there, maintained by some charitable organization that has little events.

Swede said...

Out here in Ottawa County, if Kid Rock could say something nice about corn and the Dutch he'd pretty much have it sewn up.

Bruce Hayden said...

Saw a friend and his family last weekend. Oldest daughter is a recently graduated RN working in a suburb of Detroit. She is loving it. At least parts of the metro area have come a long way from when he was shot at while in law school there, or I would spend a couple weeks at a time at the IRS processing center there. Even back then, in the 1980s, they had me staying across the bridge in Windsor. It was always a culture shock crossing from bucolic Canada into what looked like bombed out Detroit.

Feste said...

Scaramucci wants - wants - to dig up another dead master, another Dali, resurrecting the old master from the dead.

McLuhan - "the medium is the message." The medium, psi or not psi, is I have “Complete Power.”

That’s media.

The real message is, “I’m fucking scared shitless. Or too dumb to be. But long as I’ve got Bernie’s wife to grab by the pussy, I’ll own the media one more day.”

Wife said to me yesterday: “Donald has a hard-on again. Can he reproduce? Or just shoot blanks?”

Come hard Donny. Or don’t come at all. You’re shitting in the swamp you’re supposed to be draining. The media ain’t the message.

The message is all the hidden variables underneath.

Sociopaths will be owned by sociometrics. Forcing hidden demons into the Light. Slow math. Too much grunt work for the weak of heart.

Slow but, “the whirligig of time brings in his revenges.”

Achilles said...

Bruce Hayden said...

As with Trump, this is somewhat contrived with Kid Rock.

I get that. The difference is Kid Rock chose a different life and has credibility with people who lived differently.

The point wasn't to say we want people who lived different life-styles. The point was to say we want people, like kid Rock, that APPEAL to people who live different life-styles.

Harvard Trained Lawyer Insurance Salesman Judge? Run him in two years to take out the other democrat senator from Michigan. Right now we are in the process of modernizing the republican party. We need fewer harvard/yale trained lawyers.

Swede said...

LISTEN TO ME!

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE!

THERE'S QUITE OBVIOUSLY A GAS LEAK IN THERE!

William said...

I sampled the interview. He's well spoken,engaging,and has some political skills. I wouldn't think a background in rock music is a qualification for public life, but Sunny Bono had some success. The fact that Kid Rock can keep his balance in such an insane environment speaks well of him. A man who only wants a double wide, a big estate, and a private plane shows how grounded in basic American values Kid Rock is.......... Still, Kid Rock gives of a Dionysian vibe. I'm distrustful of Dionysian figures and orgiastic futures. I'd prefer someone more Apollonian. What are YoYo Ma's politics? He'd make a good senator, I bet.

Bruce Hayden said...

Probably doesn't hurt tying Stabenow to Schumer. Much of America considers him almost as odious as Pelosi (And here in MT, some of Gianforte's most effective ads tied his opponent to her). Reality is that both Schumer and Pelosi run very tight ships. Very little room for any members of their caucuses to vote with the Republicans, even if their political lives depend on it. No doubt that if Obamacare repeal ever hits the Senate floor, Stabenow and the rest of the vulnerable Trump state Dem Senators will be forced, by Schumer, to vote against it. The numbers are so tight that Schumer can't afford any defections, so won't have any.

Jim at said...

"In a crime against civilization on a par with the destruction of the old Penn Station and the Buddhas at Bamiyan, Tiger Stadium was demolished in 2009."

Yeah. Because tearing down an old baseball stadium is exactly the same thing as a bunch of Muslim zealots deliberately blowing up ancient statues.

Exactly the same thing. On par, even.

Achilles said...

@Feste:

Please keep posting.

Gahrie said...

Thanks for linking that video on Kid Rock.

As soon as he officially announces my check will be in the mail.

Browndog said...

I live in Macomb Co., north of Detroit.

I believe it was this county, home of the Reagan Democrats, that carried the State of Michigan for Trump.

I could not imagine under what scenario I would for Kid Rock for Senate. Just as I could not imagine a scenario I would have voted for Trump for President.

But, I did. And gladly to it again.

Kirk said...

All I can say is God bless Pabst. Oh how I've longed for years for a cold Stroh's.

Gahrie said...

The much more serious question for you is who will vote for Robert Ritchie, the pro-choice, pro-Obergefell former petty criminal, instead of former Michigan Chief Justice Robert Young, the black conservative Republican from the Detroit neighborhoods via Harvard Law School? Bob Young has won three statewide elections.

I would. I have no beef with Young...as I have said before, put him on the court. But we need fewer Harvard law School types in government, not more.

As for being pro-choice, pro-Gay marriage etc...The Republican Party has never enforced ideological purity...we've always been the big tent party...which a lifelong Republican should know.

Chuck said...

Harvard Trained Lawyer Insurance Salesman Judge?

You wrote, for some reason that I don't understand, that Justice Young had "spent his whole life in government." I responded by explaining to you that he hadn't done that, and had spent years in private practice and in insurance.

Then, continuing your assault on facts and intelligent discussion, you call Young an "Insurance Salesman." He was general counsel, for AAA of Michigan, for three years.

I am done with straightening you out on basic facts. I'll be voting in the Michigan Republican primary, and I presume that you won't be. I won't be voting for Kid Rock or Robert Ritchie.

By the way, all of this Trumpist star-fucking for Kid Rock; the other declared candidate for the GOP senate nomination is the Co-Chairperson of the Trump campaign in Michigan. She's not even getting mentioned. Virtually all of you are going to have to do a Google search to find her name.

LMFAO.

I am out of here. I've been patient today, watching the British Open on tv. I am going to take my aggression out on some unsuspecting golf balls.

Feste said...

"Muslim zealots deliberately blowing up ancient statues."

Then move there. Move anywhere. Move to Minnesota. Move. And fuck like a bunny.

Because, hereabouts, it's ethnic variable fertility rates, not blowing up any goddamn-thing, that's gonna outpace our oh-so-white retarded reproduction rates, not even at replacement levels. Even George Bush knew to blow up a lotta anti-Muslim shit, attending mosque.

But, I do agree with the ancient statues. Buddha has a cute, rub-able belly.

Zealots fuck a lot.

Gahrie said...

I see Achilles got there first......

Limited blogger said...

Kid Rock plays golf.

Feste said...

“Achilles said... @Feste: Please keep posting."

Have mercy.

I'm too old for this shit. Not too old, really. It's just heat and temperature age a man.

Achilles, you! You and “Tales of Brave Ulysses,” cream and take over!

I gotta get the hell outa here ...

Browndog said...

This video made by Sean Penn and Kid Rock is very entertaining and well done.

It's old, but shows a Hollywood liberal (Penn) vs redneck republican (Rock) learn to work out their differences.

Birkel said...

Obergefell is very scary.
We can't have the wrong sort of Republicans run for office, after all.

When a guy was general counsel for AAA, it is a stretch to say he was "in insurance". What you mean is, he was an attorney, working as an attorney, for clients who work in insurance. And we've already stipulated that he's a Harvard Law attorney.

Obergefell
Boo!

Gahrie said...

As with Trump, this is somewhat contrived with Kid Rock

Actually he not only admits to his background, he says he is proud of it. (He does so in the linked video) The difference is where he chose to spend his free time during his teens and twenties, instead of prep school and Harvard Law.

Kid Rock is more authentically American Black than Barack Obama.

Snark said...

"Kid Rock plays golf"

He's got a golf lyric that says "I never made par and I could give two shits". It's the lyrical equivalent of the photo Althouse posted.

Comanche Voter said...

Up at Debbie's house, she and Chuck You "Schumer are using finger bowls, eating filet mignon and drinking an unassuming, not too pretentious Cabernet Sauvignon. All stuff that the average Detroit voter can relate to. Ol Debbie ought to be planning for her retirement.

And I blame the Dems for letting these entertainer types get into the Senate. Although Al Franken is entertaining only without trying, and only on occasion, he is purportedly an entertainer. So now comes the Trumpster--and maybe Kid Rock.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

If leftists want to be anti- burger and corn on the cob a-holes.... by all means. Please.

n.n said...

Rock the Vote. Kid is a viable... Nay, worthy candidate.

Limited blogger said...

yup, that lyric is from the tour de force "You Never Met A M*F*er Quite Like Me"

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

I'm perfectly fine with leftists moving into the "Everything normal ... we hate it ...waaaa!"
Please.

Lucien said...

Why does Chuck act like such an asshole? Does anyone know? He occasionally seems like he might be a thoughtful/reasonable guy, but then he goes and pulls a Chuck. Just curious, if you've got any views I'd be interested to hear them.

My instinct is that Kid Rock/Robert Richie is going to connect with voters but will face a lot of scorn and pushback from the establishment similar to the mainstream political elites' view that Trump didn't have a chance.

Ralph L said...

Is a molded hamburger patty elitist?

Birkel said...

Lucien:
The answer is Chuck is the sort of social conservative you've read and heard about from Democrats. He's very upset at Obergefell (gay marriage) because it cuts right to the quick, for him. He hates Trump and Kid Rock because neither of them spends any time coddling Chuck on his social conservative views.

He's the single issue voter. The white rhino of voters. He demands that politicians pretend that Ward and June Cleaver can be returned to the top of the social order.

Gahrie said...

My instinct is that Kid Rock/Robert Richie is going to connect with voters but will face a lot of scorn and pushback from the establishment similar to the mainstream political elites' view that Trump didn't have a chance.

I agree..and it will only make him more popular. The Establishment is the problem not the solution...and the thing that Chuck and his type fear the most is that enough of us have figured it out.

AllenS said...

Etienne said...
Other than that, I wish him (Kid Rock) an early death so he doesn't have to suffer long.

The feeling is mutual.

Lucien said...

And as for Stroh's - a classic brand. Good choice for appealing to his target audience. Alcohol is fundamentally about emotion and mental impact, so a beer lover with the right mindset could easily enjoy Stroh's as much or more than they might enjoy a Chimay Rouge, Delirium Tremens or Dogfish Head.

Clyde said...

I'd definitely rather have a Stroh's with Kid Rock than with Debbie Stabenow.

Clyde said...

And I've been to both old Tiger Stadium and Comerica Park. The latter is much, MUCH nicer.

Browndog said...

I just watched the interview Kid Rock did with Dan Rather.

I don't like Kid Rock's music, or lifestyle. But, after watching that interview, I'm proud to call him a fellow Michigander.

Mark said...

[Tiger Stadium] was such a great place, so different from any other ball park I've been in. I couldn't believe how close we were to the bases

Six-dollar box seats right above the dugout. Bought tickets by cutting out an order form in the Free Press and mailing it in.

Lindell A.C. is long gone too.

And they've replaced Joe Louis Arena.

That idiotic People Mover is still there though. So if you want to go to Shelbyville, Brockway, Ogdenville, or North Haverbrook (and nobody does), you have a way there. I'm pretty sure they also want to put in one of those trendy streetcars.

CWJ said...

Mark @1:01,

Schlitz ruined their own brand in the 70s-80s, and then bought Strohs and killed it too. Schlitz ruined evrything it touched back then. When you talk about it being the third largest brewer, it was Schlitz not Strohs. Strohs was just a part of Schlitz at the time.

David said...

"My instinct is that Kid Rock/Robert Richie is going to connect with voters but will face a lot of scorn and pushback from the establishment similar to the mainstream political elites' view that Trump didn't have a chance."

Really? What a unique thought.

The Cracker Emcee Activist said...

Moby Chuck trots out that tired old Dole-esque loser, "If only they knew what we stand for, they'd vote for us". But that's the problem. They do know what the GOPe stands for and they hate it. As a Leftist moby, Chuck knows it's a loser, which is why he pushes it so fervently here.

Howard said...

Camouflage is the new black

The Cracker Emcee Activist said...

It is fascinating to watch the thought processes of old-school lesser-of-two-evils voters. These days they tend to be aging Boomer Independents who watch CNN as thoughtlessly as they watched Gilligan's Island 50 years ago. Intelligent and accomplished in so many ways, yet incapable of any insight or nimbleness of thought when it comes to politics.

Fabi said...

I can't gauge the chances of a Kid Rock victory, but -- that aside -- I wouldn't bet against him. Plus, he'll shit in the caviar.

Fabi said...

I love the ad, too. Cheeseburger, Stroh's -- a roots meal. Nice table with sterling accoutrements -- "I made it, so what?".

Mark said...

When you talk about it being the third largest brewer, it was Schlitz not Strohs

You have it exactly backwards.

From Forbes magazine -

How To Blow $9 Billion: The Fallen Stroh Family
July 21, 2014 issue

in the 1980s Stroh's surged, emerging as one of America's fastest-growing companies and the country's third-largest brewing empire, behind only public behemoths Anheuser-Busch and Miller. The Stroh family owned it all, a fortune that FORBES then calculated was worth at least $700 million. Just by matching the S&P 500, the family would currently be worth about $9 billion.

Yet today the Strohs, as a family business or even a collective financial entity, have essentially ceased to exist. The company has been sold for parts. . . . The mammoth changes came in the early 1980s. John Stroh had moved into the chairman's role in 1967 and handed control of the brewery to his nephew, Peter, who became CEO in 1980. Like John, he had a plan to grow, but not incrementally: He would do it by acquisition. . . .

The next year, in what family members describe as "the minnow swallowing the whale," Peter Stroh bet the family business, borrowing $500 million (the book value of the Stroh business was $100 million at the time) to buy Joseph Schlitz Brewing of Milwaukee. Suddenly Stroh was the third-largest brewer in the U.S., with seven plants and a national footprint.




Clyde said...

Since we were talking about musicians and ballparks, I just watched Ice Cube lead the seventh-inning stretch at Wrigley Field. If there was any doubt that rap is not music, Ice Cube confirmed it with his version of "Take Me Out To the Ballgame." I don't think he hit a single note right. I'm used to hearing various tone-deaf celebrities butcher the song at Cubs games, but you'd think someone who made a living in music would be able to carry a tune in a bucket. Nope.

Clyde said...

He WAS loud and enthusiastic, though. I guess that probably counts for more in rap than the ability to carry a tune.

Unknown said...

"Trump was the initiating event. But Trump is limited ideologically. While we support him against an enemy he isn't the ideal we are going for."

Does this extremist speak for all you people here? He seems to think he represents you.

jacksonjay said...

Old Style. No longer available in Texas. What a shame.

brylun said...

Chuck, Young may be a good man but he won't beat Stabenow. Kid Rock will.

antiphone said...

Camouflage is the new black

Or dumb is the new smart, with a nod and a wink so the rubes can feel like they're in on the joke. This isn't about any youth vote, it is all about making Republicans feel relevant to popular culture. Conservatarian Extreme is just more crunchy con snake oil. Two thumbs down.

brylun said...

Chuck, Young will end up on the 6th Circuit. Btw, how many black votes are there in the Michigan Republican primary?

brylun said...

Chuck, Kid Rock will self-fund the campaign. How will Young raise that kind of money? (No swearing please - it's not persuasive!)

Fabi said...

Rube is the new hillbilly?

Mom2Es said...

Kid Rock would appear on a Michigan primary ballot as "Robert Ritchie" unless and until he legally changes it.

Does Michigan not allow nicknames to appear beside the candidate's legal name? I have chuckled at the number of times I've entered the voting booth to be confronted by more candidates with nicknames printed than not. James "Jim Bob" Tucker, James "Jimmy" Smith, James "Chuck" Jones...

antiphone said...

Rube is the new hillbilly?

I didn't realize it had that connotation. I meant it more in the sense of victim of a con man, in some circles known as a member of the "church of the savvy".

Michael K said...

The Strohs story was interesting, Mark.

A somewhat similar story of brand destruction was Lowenbrau.

In 1975, Miller Brewing acquired the North American rights to Löwenbräu. After two years of exports, Miller began brewing Löwenbräu domestically with an Americanized recipe, and exports of Munich Löwenbräu to North America ceased. Anheuser-Busch, whose Michelob brand Miller had intended Löwenbräu to compete with, called the attention of regulators and the public to the changes Miller had made to mass-produce the beer for the American market, changes which introduced artificial ingredients that would not have been allowed under the German Reinheitsgebot that Miller had advertised Löwenbräu as being compliant with. No regulatory action was taken, but sales of Löwenbräu dropped to the point where it was clear the brand would not seriously compete with Michelob for the premium-beer segment.

I drank Lowenbrau in college. Miller killed the brand, sort of like "New Coke."

ConquerorofAllFoesCheese said...

Chuck is totally representative of the few thousand "white shoe" GOPe in the Midwest. Those who post on Althouse he doesn't represent at all. He's fighting a determined rearguard action against those he seems to regard as his inferiors in every conceivable way. I suppose everyone has to have a hobby.

I drank my share of "fire-brewed Stroh's" in the Cincinnati area decades ago, just about the time (1971?) Schlitz hired a new head brewmaster who switched the hops they used. Apparently, about 10-15% of beer drinkers including my wife and I thought it gave the beer a soapy taste.

And as an impoverished student I drank a lot of Red, White, and Blue beer, which I think was the generic Pabst. :) Not a bad beer for the price.

Jupiter said...

Well, I'm not gonna watch an hour of Dan Rather, I don't care who he's talking to. And the thing started out with this Kid Rock character proving that rap is not music. You know, rap is not music. That's been demonstrated. It's proven. QED. It is not necessary for anyone to ever demonstrate it again.

Gahrie said...

Btw, how many black votes are there in the Michigan Republican primary?

Not many...but I bet there's a shitload of white people willing to vote for Kid Rock. He has a record and a reputation worth respect. He does thinks like benefit concerts for the symphony, and bring jobs back to Detroit. He is to Detroit what Le Bron is to Cleveland.

and there are quite a few Black voters in the general, many of which will have no problem voting for him rather than some boring old White lady.

Phil 3:14 said...

Rather looked scared in the interview.

fivewheels said...

It's actually a good example of partisanship. Never mind the caption, there is absolutely nothing even conceivably worth criticizing about the photo. Nothing wrong with any element of it, it's just a burger with a side of corn and a local beer. But the rabid blue checks MUST attack. They HAVE to demonstrate their hatred. It's their only purpose.

Original Mike said...

The problem with celebrities becoming politicians is it forces me to learn who they are. I figured Kid Rock was a wrestler.

Feste said...
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buwaya said...

Way back when, when democratic politics was invented, it was clear to those Greeks and Romans that the key to political success was to become well known. An unknown candidate was a loser. There was no divine council granting righteous publicity that would allocate public attention to the otherwise worthy. Nope, it was up to the man and his own wiles and charisma.

So they invented the arts of rhetoric, to entertain and persuade the crowds.

These days it is not the need for rhetorical arts thats changed, but their form.

Of course, the Romans, mostly, had a cursus honorum, a chain of required experience, executive/judicial/military posts held with honor and success, to vet candidates. This has been largely abandoned in US democratic politics, and this happened long ago. US politics is full of "pure" politicians who have never done anything else. By that standard, a talented musician is not a lesser being.

Feste said...

“The problem with celebrities becoming politicians is it forces me to learn who they are. I figured Kid Rock was a wrestler.”

He is ;)!

If he could learn just more move - the Laffer Curve Takedown Corn Cob Body Slam, I Am Laslo Style - he’d be wrestling politicians out of the swamp faster than they could die to jump in.

Anthony said...

Glad to see Pabst is bringing back the old Stroh's. They bought a whole lot of brands and have done pretty well in some cases. They did the old recipe Schlitz a while back and it was quite good.

Feste said...

Achilles,

Was trying to find a blessing for Achilles from “What You Will,” but the Myrmidons attacked and killed me. There’s a reference to Cressida, but I want the whole colony, and I’m too dead to find them. So sorry.

Hagar said...

Miller's also made "Tuborg," but it was just Miller's with Tuborg labels.
Miller's tastes of yeast.

Mark said...

When I went up to Michigan in June, I bought a six of Stroh's. Actually, I was looking for Old Style, but it has been impossible to find. Problem was that when I drank the Stroh's, since it had been so long, I couldn't remember if it tasted the same or not.

autothreads said...

I have a box seat from Tiger Stadium and an Al Kaline Official Little League Louisville Slugger.

Michael K said...

US politics is full of "pure" politicians who have never done anything else. By that standard, a talented musician is not a lesser being.

A builder of large buildings is even more so. I don;t know what Kid Rock's music sounds like.

He does sound like an entrepreneur.

In the early days of the internet, the only web sites that made money for the owner were porn sites. Mary Carey ran for governor of California. She probably would have been better than Arnold, Gray Davis or Moonbeam,.

Michael K said...

And as an impoverished student I drank a lot of Red, White, and Blue beer, which I think was the generic Pabst.

As an impoverished medical student, I made my own beer. It was quite good and tasted like Heinekens but with more alcohol.

We would have bottle washing parties as I used quart bottles which are not hard to wash and which settle the sediment quite well.

You have to decant the whole bottle to avoid getting the yeast sediment stirred up and those battle washing parties often resulted in the previous batch being consumed on the spot.

Chuck said...

brylun said...
Chuck, Young will end up on the 6th Circuit.

No; Justice Joan Larsen has already gotten that nomination. Where she is currently being informally blue-slipped by, of all people, Debbie Stabenow.

Ritchie The Riveter said...

This isn't about any youth vote, it is all about making Republicans feel relevant to popular culture.

Nope ... it's about electing those who will actually challenge the snake oil of the Progressive narrative, and the credibility of those who promote it.

That is the first two steps to reversing the Blue Social Model, and reducing the vulnerability of millions of us to the failings of our "experts" and "leaders" Progressives expect us to trust as though they are omniscient.

MadisonMan said...

That is a delightful interview. Thank you for the link!

Ritchie The Riveter said...

He does sound like an entrepreneur.

He's in good company ... like Kid Rock, Gene Simmons and Dee Snyder have substance behind the wild stage personnas.

Drago said...

"Chuck, Young may be a good man but he won't beat Stabenow."

That's sort of the point. The LLR's would very much prefer we nominate candidates who will respectfully stand at attention as the left politically disembowels them.

That way no one is uncomfortable at the next polite dinner party where the discussion inevitably turns to how statesmanlike the republicans concession speech was and how elections have consequences meaning surrendering to the Dem agenda.

But the desserts are to die for.

mezzrow said...

I drank a lot of Stroh's once upon a time. As Detroit as a case of Faygo Redpop.

Rusty said...

Blogger ConquerorofAllFoesCheese said...
"Chuck is totally representative of the few thousand "white shoe" GOPe in the Midwest. Those who post on Althouse he doesn't represent at all. He's fighting a determined rearguard action against those he seems to regard as his inferiors in every conceivable way. I suppose everyone has to have a hobby.

I drank my share of "fire-brewed Stroh's" in the Cincinnati area decades ago, just about the time (1971?) Schlitz hired a new head brewmaster who switched the hops they used. Apparently, about 10-15% of beer drinkers including my wife and I thought it gave the beer a soapy taste.

And as an impoverished student I drank a lot of Red, White, and Blue beer, which I think was the generic Pabst. :) Not a bad beer for the price."

Back in the day. A case of RW&B cost five bucks. If you returned the emtys in the case you goy 4.50 back.

AllenS said...

Michael K said...
As an impoverished medical student, I made my own beer. It was quite good and tasted like Heinekens but with more alcohol.

A couple of years ago, I was buying 6 packs, and my beer of choice, was Leinenkugels'. There were no 6 packs of Leinies, so I bought a 6 pack of Heinekens, it was at that moment when I realized that Heinies was made from skunk piss. Yuck.

Clyde said...

AllenS said...

A couple of years ago, I was buying 6 packs, and my beer of choice, was Leinenkugels'. There were no 6 packs of Leinies, so I bought a 6 pack of Heinekens, it was at that moment when I realized that Heinies was made from skunk piss. Yuck.


I would never buy any beer that comes in green bottles. It gets skunky really quick if exposed to sunlight. Brown glass only!

Mr. Majestyk said...

Maybe as a rich f@ucker, a Senator Rock won't worry about pleasing the special interests to get campaign donations. Maybe he won't worry about how he will supprt himself if he loses the next election and will instead just do what he knows is right. Maybe. What the hell do Michigan Republicans have to lose?

Todd Galle said...

I question his corn selection. No bi-color sweet corn in my household, never, no sir. Only freshly picked white sweet corn (preferably from my county, but Lancaster Co. corn is OK). Turn off on most semi-rural roads and the farmers have wagons loaded with ears and an honor box for payment. The corn is late this year due to a wet spring, but is looking quite promising now. I got excited yesterday at the market when they had Cumberland County sweet corn available, but it was all bi-color. I felt like Yukon Cornelius...'ehhh, nothing'.

Clyde said...

Here's video at MLB.com showing Ice Cube singing "Take Me Out To the Ballgame":

Watch Ice Cube get on the mic and sing 'Take Me Out to the Ballgame' at Wrigley

Judge for yourself... Or judge not, lest ye be judged. Your choice.

Michael K said...

I haven't seen white sweet corn.

Jack Lifton said...

I have been a Republican, since George McGovern became the Democrat Party's candidate for POTUS in 1972. I have been a Michigan resident for 74 of my 77 years. Debbie Stabenow is not an "elite" anything. She is a hack politician who the dwindling number of UAW dues-paying members were told to support by their "leaders." I have never met a UAW member whose dinner table did not look like Kid Rock's. He's my candidate for the U.S. Senate from Michigan in 2018. In fact, he's going to win the senate seat by a landslide.

Todd Galle said...

Michael K - You can see the white kernels mixed amid the yellow in the dinner plate photo. Imagine a wonderful ear of corn without the offending, deplorable yellow intruding kernels. Heaven. I can't imagine it's only a Penna thing . My wife will get white shoepeg corn frozen in the winter when we despair of spring's arrival. Once the kids move out and free up basement storage space, we'll can it.

Brookzene said...

Brilliant! He's playing three dimensional chess already.

Michael K said...

"You can see the white kernels mixed amid the yellow in the dinner plate photo. "

OK, all my experience with corn, including my grandfathers farm, was with yellow sweet corn and white "field corn" which is mostly sold for cornmeal. Farmers that I knew did not grow sweet corn as it was mostly grown in truck farms for marketing fresh,

Maybe times have changed.

Dave D said...

Jack" Lifelong Michigander here also. Ditto your same argument for Senator Peters. A useless union hack. Not proud of my home state.

Todd Galle said...

Michael K. - I did a quick inter-web search because I was unsure of the difference. Apparently white sweet corn is a newer variety / hybrid. Yellow sweet corn has beta carotene, making it more nutritional than white, but the white tastes sweeter. On a rational basis, it would seem that the bi-color would be ideal, mixing the more nutritious yellow kernels with the sweeter white. Our family, however, believes that in corn, rationality is out the window.

Mark said...

As Detroit as a case of Faygo Redpop.

The power of a good commercial jingle --
https://youtu.be/LQqyDj7RX6Y

I might not have remembered all the words, but I certainly remember the tune and the words, "Remember when you were a kid, well part of you still is, and that's why we make Faygo."

sestamibi said...

And Ted Nugent for Governor!!

CWJ said...

Mark,

Wow! You're right. But so am I. Stroh's was temporarily #3 because of Schlitz; not on it's own. Because Stroh's as a beer went from good to bad simultaneously with the Schlitz acquisition, I had assumed that Schlitz bought and killed Stroh's. Right down to adopting Schlitz's narrow can packaging. Now I see it was suicide. But why? Schlitz had ruined its brand by the time of its acquisition. Appparently why It was vunerable. But why would Stroh's willingly adopt Schlitz's mistakes?

Yancey Ward said...

Are we going to again be treated to Chuck assuring us someone can't possibly win the nomination followed by even more strident assurances that it was foolish to nominate someone who couldn't possibly win- even in Michigan?

eric said...

The interview says he's given up his Michigan roots for Alabama.

Is he moving back to Michigan to run for Senate? How long has he been living in Alabama?

madAsHell said...

He certainly has the right face for the Senate.

Rusty said...

Is it bad if you buy your beer at Aldi's?

Birkel said...

eric,
I think you mean Nashville, Tennessee. The Alabama mention was rhetorical. He has multiple homes. He may not have changed his residency and wouldn't have to if he doesn't spend more than six months at any one place each year. Domicile, I believe.

Eric Wall said...

As a born and bred Michigander, I couldn't be more horrified by the support for Kid Rock. I get the impulse to be anti-establishment, but certainly there has to be limits upon our meaner instincts? There is an obvious problem with burning everything down. What ever happened to admiration for reason, for intelligence and for quiet scholarship? There certainly may be a lot of problems to fix, but Kid Rock cannot be the answer.

kennymac said...

You're part of the problem Eric. Well mannered losers such as yourself are why we can't have perverts kept out of women's bathrooms.

Bad Lieutenant said...

What ever happened to admiration for reason, for intelligence and for quiet scholarship?


They lost to Debbie Stabenow. Quiet Scholars should probably not do politics.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Those chairs look odd at that table, though, and what the hell is that in the upper left corner of the frame? A tray table? A lazy Susan?

Scott Carmichael said...

HehHeh, the comments are almost as entertaining as the interview. As a (now) 59 yr old
male, I would not listen to Richie, as I cannot stand Rap "music"when He 1`st emerged, but now
My Wife and I listen to and buy His music regularly. (She is 54). He stands for everything
I stand for, and is NOT afraid to make it known, and now that He has matured, alot of His
music rivals the rock that I grew up with.
That being said, I sincerely hope He goes with it. This young Man would face fierce opposition, but will win in a landslide, making Trumps win trivial. Yet, exactly like
Trump, He has nothing to gain besides standing up for His beliefs, and serving His country.
I doubt if I had a double wide wrapped in camo, on a Shit Ton of land in Tenn, (let alone His lakeside place in Mich) that I would even be THINKING about Public Service. Think about that for just a minute. Great post Althouse,
Scott,
in Ohio