President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition operation plunged into disarray on Tuesday with the abrupt resignation of Mike Rogers, who had handled national security matters....So... Rogers left and they're finishing that legal document. But: disarray, chaos, turmoil...
An aide to Mr. Trump’s transition team who insisted on anonymity to discuss internal matters said that the delay was taking place because the wording of [a legal document required to conduct the transition] was being altered and updated, and that it was likely to be signed later Tuesday.
Still, the slow and uncertain start to what is normally a rapid and meticulously planned transfer of power could have profound implications for Mr. Trump’s nascent administration, challenging the efforts of the president-elect to gain control of the federal bureaucracy and begin building a staff fully briefed on what he will face in the Oval Office on Day 1.
The chaos caught the attention of some senior Republicans who criticized Mr. Trump during his campaign but said after he won that they would not necessarily rule out joining his administration or advising him....
The turmoil at the highest levels of his staff upended months of planning and preparation for a process that many describe as drinking from a fire hose even in the most orderly of circumstance....
I'm utterly jaded by the emotive prose from the NYT.
By the way, who is Mike Rogers? Here's Bret Baier and panelist Laura Ingraham talking about him on November 11th:
"Here's a candidate [Trump] who ran in part on the Benghazi issue. You've got the 13 Hours guys that endorsed Donald Trump. And you've got a guy running your national security transition that comes under fire from conservatives over Benghazi," Baier said.Watch the video at that link. If you're a Trump supporter, I don't think you'll feel bad losing Mike Rogers.
"The 13 Hours guys were infuriated, fuming when that report came out, because the report basically called their integrity into question—said that these heroes were doing it just to sell a book," Ingraham added.
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I was disappointed when Rogers was added to the team. Great news that Trump got to say "You're fired!"
If Trey Gowdy isn't impressed with Rogers then neither am I.
I was never a fan of his neighborhood.
There's a need for a disarray emoji.
Still, the slow and uncertain start to what is normally a rapid and meticulously planned transfer of power could have profound implications for Mr. Trump’s nascent administration
Oh, what a crock of shit. Transitions are not "rapid & meticulous".
I was tasked by my then employer to provide computer support to the Bush I transition team. I was with them (aside from time off for Christmas) for every day from the election victory until a few days before inauguration.
Now, remember, this was a rare Republican to Republican transition made by a sitting vice-president. The primary emotion on the floor: fear. Fear of getting backstabbed, fear of not getting a position in the administration at all after all the work that you had put in on the campaign, fear that you'd get a position that was basically twiddling your thumbs for the next four years, etc. When I told them I was taking vacation to visit my parents for Christmas, they were aghast, because they were all scared that if they left for a few days, they'd get screwed out of something. I told them "Guys, I'm a contractor. I am not getting & will not ever get a position in the Bush administration. I'm the hired help, & you'll have someone here to support you over Christmas, just not me." "Well, OK...."
Transitions are snake pits, with factions & personalities jockeying for positions in the nastiest manner imaginable. "Rapid & meticulous", my left butt cheek!
"President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition operation plunged into disarray on Tuesday with the abrupt resignation of Mike Rogers, who had handled national security matters...."
A mistake got corrected. That's a good thing.
So I guess there are now three MSM stories about the Trump transition process:
1) Trump picks experienced DC hand proving that he has been captured by insiders and was conning everybody who voted for him:
2) Trump picks an outsider who is deplorable, proving that he means to put all the racist, sexist, xenophobic inferences we drew from his campaign into practice;
3) Trump has not yet selected anybody for a position, proving that his team is unprepared and in disarray.
There. Now you don't have to read the NYT for the next two months.
I did, as part of my support of the Bush I transition team, get to shake hands with Arnold Schwarzenegger not once, but twice! The man really does fill out a suit, but for a Terminator you'd think he'd be a lot taller! He was shorter than my 6 ft, which surprised me.
Why publish the story if you don't know why Rogers left/was ousted?
There was a memorable story about how Jimmy Peanuts' Georgia crackers went about filling in administration positions with post-it notes on a whiteboard.
Another thing to remember about transition teams: people on them often have to decide if they want to now 1) work 60 hours a week for the next four years 2) commute to DC from wherever, & not see your wife & family except on weekends for four years or 3) uproot your wife from her job & your kids from school to move them to an uncertain future in DC for four years.
Quite a few people, especially at the second & third tiers or below, say "Thanks, but no thanks" when the reality sinks in.
By the way, notice that we get all the skinny on the Trump transition team horrors, but we still don't know why Hillary didn't come down to the Javits Center election night to say goodbye to her supporters. Funny how that is...
I apologize for being a sexist pig above.
Please replace the word "wife" with "spouse".
Thank you!
The media's response to their terrible reporting is to double down.
It's going to be a very long four to eight years.
Part of the genius of the media doing this is, eventually, people get tired of the drama. And if we will just hire a Democrat, the media will tamp down on the drama. It's a threat that no one really recognizes as such. We feel it's truth rather than consciously see what is happening.
I think Rogers is also 1 of 3 R congressmen who just put forward a suggestion to reinstate earmarks - so F him
Mike Rogers is the guy who's wife worked for the outfit that provided security for the Benghazi consulate, right? He's the republican who joined with Cummings and the democrats in issuing a statement during the investigation that objected to and disputed the committee's findings, right? Yeah, we won't miss him- See you in court, you dirty rat.
Just more of the disparaging garbage the MSM is trying to pedal like the whole 'Trump has to hire ~4000 people' thing implying that caught him and his transition team by surprise... and Obama is going to have to spend a lot more of his time than previous presidents to 'school' Trump on what it takes to be president.
But the Times promised to reform . . .
"Cognitive dissonance" is destined to become the most overused phrase of 2017.
Publications like WaPo and the NYT will continue to lead liberals into blind alleys like Stork leading the marching band in Animal House until the next un-media-manageable reality intrudes itself like a broken rib into a lung.
And then WaPo and the NYT will be there to commiserate and hold their hands as they try to "process" it.
The very best thing any populist or conservative can do is to continue to congratulate both on their crisp and incisive reporting.
Oh my!
Now let me think what would be happening if Hillary won. She would be assembling a collection of Demons that would Satan proud.
I'll take a very minor setback a week after Trump's victory.
we still don't know why Hillary didn't come down to the Javits Center election night to say goodbye to her supporters.
I'm seeing reports trickling out on her drunken rage and crying jag that night. Loyalty lasts until the losing election.
The NYT-- they are a-changin'
"There's always barber college."
The latest reports have Hillary's people trying to co-opt the Electoral College Voters to change their votes to Hillary. They have precedent with that one clown a few elections ago.
One of the sources.
Radio host Todd Kincannon from The Kincannon Show tweeted today that a CNN reporter told him Hillary Clinton became physically violent towards Robby Mook and John Podesta around midnight last Tuesday as the presidency was slipping away.
CNN reporter tells me Hillary became physically violent towards Robby Mook and John Podesta around midnight; had to be briefly restrained.
— The Kincannon Show (@kincannon_show) November 14, 2016
Hillary Clinton did not make it on stage that night. She sent John Podesta out instead.
Hillary was drunk.
She was. I posted about that too. She was in a "psychotic drunken rage" according to my reporter friend. Doctor added sedatives to the mix. https://t.co/jZv376ydDM
— The Kincannon Show (@kincannon_show) November 15, 2016
The reporter said CNN would not publish the story!
The CNN reporter didn't fail to report it. His editors will not let him. CNN has banned all "Hillary in the bunker" stories. https://t.co/Iq7WlezU4i
— The Kincannon Show (@kincannon_show) November 15, 2016
I sure hope someone has video… somewhere. That would be epic!
Maybe we will even get to see "The Path to 9/11" eventually.
"I think Rogers is also 1 of 3 R congressmen who just put forward a suggestion to reinstate earmarks - so F him."
Different Mike Rogers.
@Mike K,
I'm seeing reports trickling out on her drunken rage and crying jag that night
I'm seeing that too. I'm also seeing that CNN has the on-the-scene but is suppressing it. You know there were reporters everywhere around her. Why no story.
If Trump had lost & starting whuppin' ass on his staff, it'd be playing in a loop 24/7 on CNN. The reporter who broke it would be in line for a Pulitzer. But, HRC stiffing her loyal, hardworking supporters? Not a peep.....
The NYT has clearly redoubled their efforts to get us the real news!
Michael Fitzgerald said...
Mike Rogers is the guy who's wife worked for the outfit that provided security for the Benghazi consulate, right?
Close.
She is part owner of a private British security force comprised of former U.S. Special Forces, used for special ops that require no direct American footprint.
They were in Benghazi to buy back usable arms to ship to Turkey and arm the Syrian rebels (ISIS) after Congress refused to authorize.
Hillary got physically violent with Mook and Podesta. Witnesses said she was drunk. She was given sedatives.
The same qualities that lost her the election were the qualities that kept her from speaking to her supporters that night, Nixon like, BTW. He did that too.
You know there were reporters everywhere around her. Why no story.
CNN had an embargo on any negative stories from the Hillary Bunker.
"I don't trust the NYT to tell the story straight" No sh*t red rider, what gave you your first clue.
Megan McArdle:
Trump will be the least policy-savvy president in history. He has built no ideological framework for future policies, much less a set of detailed proposals.
But that is also an ideology.
YoungHegelian said...
I did, as part of my support of the Bush I transition team, get to shake hands with Arnold Schwarzenegger not once, but twice! The man really does fill out a suit, but for a Terminator you'd think he'd be a lot taller! He was shorter than my 6 ft, which surprised me.
11/15/16, 10:46 AM
Arnold, Wilt, and Andre the Giant.
I wish the NYT would just die already...
"Hillary got physically violent with Mook and Podesta. Witnesses said she was drunk. She was given sedatives."
So many sedatives that she had a nose bleed and they were worried about that happening while she was giving her concession speech.
Darrell said...
Hillary got physically violent with Mook and Podesta. Witnesses said she was drunk. She was given sedatives.
This is the sort of story that is too good to bother checking. I'll hold off on believing this until we hear it from a second source, rather than just a second-hand source
I can't imagine what she would have done if Putin had decided to roll tanks during her book club meeting!
"I'm utterly jaded by the emotive prose from the NYT." We know you are, and we appreciate your reports from enemy territory. But consider the mindset of people who buy what they're selling, who are not jaded, who willingly take sips from the Kool-Aid every day. As a conservative cynic I appreciate the overt cynicism of a NYT publisher promising to shoot straight before reverting to type immediately in serving up the Kool-Aid, but the self-deluding true believers are a little harder to take.
I'll hold off on believing this until we hear it from a second source, rather than just a second-hand source.
"What difference does it make at this point?" - HRC
You're right Hillary! It makes no fucking difference! Now get lost!
All the FUD that fits, we print.
@YH: "for a Terminator you'd think he'd be a lot taller! He was shorter than my 6 ft, which surprised me." Yeah, I've met him too, sort of, as these things go. Looking down on him, from my near-celestial perch, I concluded that body-building was just overcompensation for the typical short-guy inferiority complex.
A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.
A mistake got corrected. That's a good thing.
What Original Mike wrote upthread. Trump knows how to say "You're fired," which is a marvelous contrast to a certain predecessor who could not bring himself even to fire Kathleen Sebelius after she screwed up the rollout of Obamacare or Hillary Clinton after the Libya debacle.
"I think Rogers is also 1 of 3 R congressmen who just put forward a suggestion to reinstate earmarks - so F him."
"Different Mike Rogers."
Mike Rogers was a Michigan congressman who retired and was asked by Trump to be on this team. Hadn't heard that he quit the transition team. I know he bragged about being ON the team this week on WJR.
This is a garbage article by the NY Times whose creditability is below zero. Just like CNN all last night arguing about Bannon and the Trump kids Top Secret clearance meme. Well, the "Top Secret" meme was put to bed this AM when K. Conway stated no such thing was ever under consideration. The MSM will never change until they lose all of their Readers, Viewers or Clicks. Even then, they will still try to push their lying political narratives.
When Obama was elected, the NYT called his transition "the best ever." It took them until, as they put it, "15% of his Presidency has expired" before they noticed there were problems.
from the NYT Aug. 23 2009:
"WASHINGTON — As President Obama tries to turn around a summer of setbacks, he finds himself still without most of his own team. Seven months into his presidency, fewer than half of his top appointees are in place advancing his agenda.
Of more than 500 senior policy making positions requiring Senate confirmation, just 43 percent have been filled.
“If you’re running G.M. without half your senior executives in place, are you worried? I’d say your stockholders would be going nuts,” said Terry Sullivan, a professor at the University of North Carolina and executive director of the White House Transition Project, which tracks appointments."
Trump was elected a week ago.
The NYT sincerely promises that it will be there to tell us if DJT fires Bannon after Bannon and Milo light KKK crosses on the White House lawn to illuminate at night the Confederate Battle Flags they erected.
I think we are back to covering Trump on the Entertainment page.
"Mike Rogers was a Michigan congressman who retired and was asked by Trump to be on this team."
And the Mike Rogers who wants to resurrect earmarks is a current congressman from Alabama.
Abrupt resignations are usually the result of being given the choice of resigning or being fired.
New Trump line: " You're resigned!"
Hillary should have gotten high security clearances for Chelsea and her maid. Then they wouldn't be facing felony charges if the FBI ever wakes.
I thought the fun would be over as soon as the election was over, but it looks like it is just beginning. Ann must be licking her chops.
The NYT promises to bring in John Oliver and Samantha Bee if they need any unbiased inside professional analysis of Trump.
"Abrupt resignations are usually the result of being given the choice of resigning or being fired."
And wanting to spend more time with your family.
The Gateway Pundit and Todd Kincannon from The Kincannon Show are more credible than the NY Times which is why believe that Clinton was hammered on election night and got violent with Robby Mook and John Podesta.
Robby and John blew it. She's a known drunk with a bad temper who blames everyone else. And she left all her supporters hanging cause she really doesn't give a shit about them. She jsut wanted the power, and the continued corruption. They let her down. Makes perfect sense.
On Election Day Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) was the only person on Twitter who called Trumps election the day before 100%. And he had good reasons for guaranteeing Fla would go Trump, and NC. He was getting ripped, but was vindicated election night.
These people in the media don't know shit, and whatever they do know, they do not report honestly.
This is why I don't trust the NYT. The record of the "paper of record" is cracked, broken warped, and melted nearly to a blob.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/trump-camp-in-disarray-debate-a-disaster-775399491835
(that's from Sept 28)
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/135784/trump-campaign-disarray-just-wednesday
(Aug 3)
www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/donald-trump-campaign-disarray/
(not sure if they copied from TNR or vice versa, or if both were fed word from Clinton campaign)
www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-campaign-staff-disarray-221557
(April!)
Given all this evidence of disarray, I don't see how he can even win the nomination, never mind beat Hillary or become a successful President.
It is abundantly clear that the Trump Administration has completely failed.
This is the year that the NYT finally goes octagonal so you don't have to trim it to fit in your bird cage. Mark it down.
Not that I am freaking by any means, but I am now hearing noises about Giuliani for SoS instead of AG. Why? Why not Bolton as everybody assumed? I wanted Rudy at AG to chop heads, drink blood.
Giuliani as SoS.
Trump must think Rudy is diplomatic.
Trump must think Rudy is diplomatic.
He rarely throws a punch.
He rarely throws a punch.
Mostly peaceful.
I've had a pretty full morning, so I haven't had much of a chance to catch up on news. A NeverTrumper tweeted out this very article though and after reading it I thought the same exact thing you did. What a nothingburger.
Amadeus 48 said...
Giuliani as SoS.
Trump must think Rudy is diplomatic.
No. He thinks Rudy isn't a pussy.
Ann, right on! I thought exactly the same when I read that article this morning.
The party is "plunged into disarray"!!! Then, the talking heads this morning were doing the same thing. Every verb they use for Trump is pejorative. Do they think we're stupid? I am not even a Trump supporter, but I might soon be due to the abject inability of the press and of the progressive types to exhibit any sort of self-awareness.
Less than a week after Trump was elected, he is tweaking his transition team. Which means to me that the NYT is so desperate for negative news stories about him that they make stuff up. If this were two months from now, there might be reason to worry. It isn't, so there isn't.
"... we still don't know why Hillary didn't come down to the Javits Center election night to say goodbye to her supporters."
At the time I said too angry, too sick or too drunk. Might turn out to be 2 of 3.
"normally a rapid and meticulously planned transfer of power". I call BS on this. The election was a week ago. You campaign right up to election day. Every minute you are planning this transfer of power is a minute you are not campaigning. Hillary was probably trying to plan the transfer of power and she lost.
If the shakeup of the transition staff is as successful as the shakeup of the campaign staff we have nothing to worry about. Ann's calling out of the NYT and WaPo is long over due. They are concrete examples of Trump derangement syndrome.
plunged into disarray!
Obvious projection and - imagine the NYT saying "Plunged into disarray!" about any democrat. Even though - at the moment, the democrats have been plunged into disarray.
12:53 - bgates - LOL! It's as if the hack press are in cahoots with the "disarray" meme.
We have all had disappointments in life. I cannot imagine how bad Hillary must feel. Putting so much extra effort into something that was anticipated to be all fun and games and happy times only to have to keep fighting and losing for months and monthsw and months. Then the final realization as election night went on that it was really true, she was losing and not going to recover, and that all the investigative problems are still there, and that she is too old to try again, and that all the influence and power her and Bill had will slip away. Sometimes it takes effort not to feel sorry for her. Not a lot of effort, but some.
Can't blame her for being pissed off, throwing stuff, or even drunk.
" . . . the slow and uncertain start to what is normally a rapid and meticulously planned transfer of power could have profound implications for Mr. Trump’s nascent administration."
I'm confident that the Clintons had a meticulously planned transfer of power. It's right up their alley. Meticulously planned except for the part that requires winning the election.
"Can't blame her for being pissed off, throwing stuff, or even drunk."
But this all is true for every politician that makes it into the position of credibly running for President. They nearly all have had life-long careers of struggle, and losing is likewise a final, cruel disappointment. Hilary Clinton struggled no more than Mitt Romney, Al Gore, John McCain, GHW Bush, Michael Dukakis or John Kerry, and much less than some of these - Kerry for instance, was in the wings much longer. And yet, none of these skipped a concession speech and giving a grateful despedida to their partisans, on the very night of defeat. There is an expectation of grace under pressure, even for the rejected man.
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I read Rogers part of the Christie team and part of the Christie purge. So in that sense progress.
Bruce Hayden said...
Less than a week after Trump was elected, he is tweaking his transition team. Which means to me that the NYT is so desperate for negative news stories about him that they make stuff up. If this were two months from now, there might be reason to worry. It isn't, so there isn't.
So the same people arguing we had all the time in the world to resolve the 2000 election now believe not staffing the entire administration in 5 days is a crisis.
Whatever could have changed?
Hard to reconcile the reports of drunken Hillary on election night with The Donald's report of their concession phone call. I think the better explanation for her non-appearance at the Javits Center is that the team was late getting a concession speech prepared, knew she would get one chance to make an impression with her speech and wanted it to be the best possible. Which it pretty much was.
Rumors, rumors, everywhere and plenty of alcohol to drink. The ugliest story I read was the proposal to make a disgraced ethics violator, former Indiana Superintendent of Public Education Tony Bennett, who was also was separated from his similar Florida Post (where he was installing Common Core standards). Strange candidate to consider, since Mike Pence is heading the transition team.
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Same here.
Further, the day after the election my Anti-virus (Comodo) blocked Althouse and a few conservative blogs I read (DNS attack)
Isn't there something wrong when you have to read NYT like you are reading Pravda in communist Russia? It's not that they have a different perspective, it's that they are making things up.
Why do these people still have jobs? They got EVERYTHING wrong. Worse, they helped Clinton steal the nomination from Sanders, and their bias and fake narratives blinded their own people into what was really happening. They should be interviewing at Starbucks. If I owned WaPo or CNN or the NYTs, I would have fired all of them.
"In certain older more civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords" - Firefly
"she would get one chance to make an impression with her speech and wanted it to be the best possible"
It was a PR shift to "please don't throw me in jail"
From the Wall Street Journal article on the subject:
"Mr. Trump’s transition team was scheduled to have a large-scale meeting on Friday to plan their “landing teams” for every federal agency, but that process was upended when Vice President-elect Mike Pence replaced Mr. Christie.
"This has forced the transition team to redraft what is known as a memorandum of understanding with the Obama administration authorizing Mr. Pence to lead the transition process with various federal agencies. These landing teams are crucial because they help inform the incoming administration what policies the agencies are working on, how their personnel is structured, and what issues need to be addressed."
"I apologize for being a sexist pig above. Please replace the word "wife" with "spouse".
Thank you"
Dude. Didn't you hear? The Americans have landed. Some yank with orange hair in a tank just rammed through the front gates. We are free! Here, they are handing out chocolate. See? Try some. It tastes like Liberty!
Hillary's concession speech was fabulous -- I've had it on continuous loop for almost a week!
My husband and I have decided to treat all media like the lying dogs they are, so until it comes out if president Trump's mouth, it's a lie.
And about Hillary, Trump would not have gone onstage and said Hillary called him but was incoherent so he supposed it was a concession speech. I'm sure she was probably incoherent but someone probably took the phone and explained it to him and asked for compassion.
Ann, there is no reason to believe anything the Times publishes, thanks to two articles.
First, here's former NYT reporter Michael Ceiley at the Hollywood Reporter, talking about who decides what is news at the paper:
"By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called 'the narrative.' We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.
"Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: 'My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?'
"The bigger shock came on being told, at least twice, by Times editors who were describing the paper's daily Page One meeting: 'We set the agenda for the country in that room.'"
Next, we've seen reporters running quotes by the Clinton campaign in Wikileaks? They've always passed that off as "trying to be accurate."
This time, New York Times reporter Mark Leibovich recorded an interview with Hillary Clinton, who said, “gay rights has moved much faster than women’s rights or civil rights, which is an interesting phenomenon somebody in the future will unpack.”
She said some other things about Sarah Palin and eating moose meat.
Leibovich then sent Podesta etal the transcript of the interview indicating the quotes he wanted to use, and asked them to decide what will go into the New York Times.
They nixed the gay rights and Palin remarks. (Scroll to the bottom)
@Bill Peschel- Talk about chaos. That Hillary interview transcript was painful.
I am so glad the NYT learned that they were biased from the election and decided to change their ways.
I think it was Scott Adams who noted that one of Trump's greatest strengths was his willingness to fire people. If someone isn't working out in a position, he has no reluctance to replace them with someone who might be better. He has a reputation for being loyal to his employees, but he never allows loyalty to get in the way of effective accomplishment.
Clearly, Chris Christie is the NYT's source for the "disarray" characterization.
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