October 27, 2016

"This is who Trump is. He was always bombastic. He always rated women. He always talked in a misogynistic, sexist kind of way..."

"... but he did it sort of proudly and out in the open; and he still won the Republican primary. In one sense, the fact that we do an interview and people's personalities come out, I'm very proud of that," said Howard Stern.
"I, certainly, in a million years, I didn't expect Trump to seriously run for president," Stern said. "All the times he came on the show he was a very good sport and he was in the spirit of the show. He's been very friendly toward me, friendly toward the show, always coming on, so I certainly wasn't going to f--- him over by releasing those tapes. Those tapes are out there on the internet anyway, so that was my stance."
"As far as my role goes, I feel proud in the sense that, I don't think anybody else does an interview the way this show does," he continued. "Everyone when they interview is sort of afraid to talk like real people. Now those words are biting him in the ass, but in general, we have a different kind of interviewing process than any other place. Which is why, all of the sudden, everyone, CNN, NBC, Fox, they have to turn to our tapes because it's a real conversation."
Talking like a real person... then running for office. That's dangerous... unless you're a saintly real person. Most politicians get on-task, self-censoring, and robotic. That's the normal way to stay out of this kind of trouble. 

This post is related to this post, and I hope you see why, because I don't have time to explain it.

125 comments:

Tommy Duncan said...

Talking like a real person... then running for office. That's dangerous... unless you're a saintly real person. Most politicians get on-task, self-censoring, and robotic. That's the normal way to stay out of this kind of trouble.

Like Mitt Romney? Was 2012 an anomaly?

Achilles said...

The democrats are trying to put a rapist and an enabler into the White House.

This is only an issue so they can get another corruptocrat into office and keep money flowing to the wealthy. Anyone who holds this against trump is stupid. Anyone who votes for Hillary because of this is hypocritical to the level of moral degeneration.

holdfast said...

Mitt Romney was almost a saint. Though not the patron saint of dogs, I suppose.

Achilles said...

"Like Mitt Romney? Was 2012 an anomaly?"

Mitt gave people cancer and tortured dogs.

The left and the media are just bad people.

holdfast said...

Or women. Or binders.

Again, it doesn't matter who the GOP nominates - he or she or xe will always be worse than Hitler.

Darrell said...

I thought we established that Stern is a worse piece of shit last week?

readering said...

There's a huge middle ground between the pronouncements of saints and those of the irredeemably damned, as Trump probably is (since bragging he's never felt the need to ask for God's forgiveness).

There's also a huge middle ground between the boring, self-censoring jurist and the nut job Richard Posner is rapidly devolving into. (And I say that as an admirer of Posner's fierce ideological independence over the years, bashing the Nino Scalias and Bill Clintons equally, for example.)

Susan said...

I guess it goes without saying that Hillary did not go on his show and talk like she really does to regular people to whom she isn't making paid speeches.

Regular people like, say, her secret service detail.

Brando said...

I was surprised to see Stern is backing Hillary. I always had him pegged for closet right of center, and figured his knowing Trump personally would have put him in Trump's camp.

I don't think Stern gets people to "talk normally" so much as he creates awkwardness where you either have to walk out on him or go into his world. That's how he kept calling Ivanka a "nice piece of ass" and Trump put up with it.

Big Mike said...

This post is related to this post, and I hope you see why, because I don't have time to explain it.

If you say so.

Sebastian said...

"That's dangerous... unless you're a saintly real person.' No: unless you're on the left. Plenty of mad Hill stuff out there. Plenty of insanity from Dem Congress folk. Doesn't matter. By the same token, saintliness is no excuse in a GOPer. If they can destroy Mitt, they can destroy anyone.

n.n said...

To date, or not to date, that is the question.

That said, Clinton exposed in Mail-gate.

Finally, greatness disturbs the horses... Individual dignity frightens the establishment.

readering said...

Keeping track?

http://www.iltalehti.fi/viihde/2016102722524133_vi.shtml

traditionalguy said...

You go to war with the Trump that you have. Trump is like the First Marines put ashore on Guadalcanal in 1942 and then abandoned by their GOP/Navy. You have stand your ground and fight and fight until the overconfident Japs are killed. After all, when you are that surrounded and attacked day and night, there is no where to go.

Finally the Navy replaces the Admirals and comes back to join the fight. Trump has stood his ground, and it is turning now. Really turning. Morning Joe had an overnight change and is anti Hillary.

Your supposed friends that ran away and hid are what they are.

Gusty Winds said...

If Hillary wins, the people who voted for her will suffer a severe case of buyers remorse before she even takes the oath of office. The crap and corruption being exposed in the Wikileaks / Podesta emails give the GOP House years worth of material to investigate.

I will start immediately if she wins. The GOP and the Press will have to try and sweep their credibility up off the floor, so both will chew on Hillary. Her Presidency will either be locked up, or a disaster that leads us to war in Syria. She'll have to punch the Syrian tar baby to take focus off her exposed corruption.

Even the Morning Joe had to put on their pretend shocked faces today during the pre-hand washing ceremony. It took a leaked memo for them to come to realize the Clinton foundation was a shake down slush fund for the Clintons? Bullshit. They all know it. They actually looked worried. Not about Hillary losing, but the disaster that awaits if she wins.

All this Trump, pussy, Howard Stern stuff will seem like such a stupid waste of time when President Hillary goes on TV to tell the nation we just engaged Russian airplanes over Syria.

Rusty said...

Blogger Gusty Winds said...
"If Hillary wins, the people who voted for her will suffer a severe case of buyers remorse before she even takes the oath of office."

If Hillary wins Soros will be sworn in.

Freder Frederson said...

Talking like a real person... then running for office. That's dangerous... unless you're a saintly real person.

I'd hate to live in your world, where "real people" talk like Donald Trump. Would you accept that kind of talk from Meade? If the real people I know talked like that, I would be ashamed of them and myself.

You don't have to be a saint to treat women with respect. And while you might give someone a pass talking about pussy grabbing if they are a 15 year old boy, Donald Trump was 60 when that was recorded. Melania's excuse, that Billy Bush was egging him on, also might fly if he was in high school, not so much when you are a high profile and very rich celebrity and businessman.

Big Mike said...

Meanwhile I see that Hillary Clinton is using Morgan Freeman to make the final case for her in a commercial. That would be the same Morgan Freeman who called us all racists for being upset at paying more for worse coverage under Obamacare.

As Sebastian says, being a Democrat -- or supporting one -- means you can get away with saying anything you darned well want to say at anytime about anyone.

Big Mike said...

@Freder when Lyndon Johnson drafted me back in '68 I heard way worse language than Trump's from my drill sergeant and fellow troopers.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

All this... stuff will seem like such a stupid waste of time when President Hillary goes on TV to tell the nation we just engaged Russian airplanes over Syria.

I don't see why that would be news. We've always been at war with Russia.

Writ Small said...

We get it. Supreme court justices and presidential candidates can't be generators of interesting thoughts and concepts, else narrow-minded partisans use their free-wheeling expressions against them during the confirmation process or election campaign.

This suggests some additional insight into why Althouse has a soft spot for Trump. She is maybe the greatest generator or extractor of interesting ideas out there today. I think on some level she identifies with Trump. Of the many things Trump is, boring he is not. A lot of her defense of the guy arises when people deliberately distort his words for political advantage. I think she mentally puts herself in his shoes and imagines the controversial things she has said and how those words could be used against her should she ever, if only theoretically, find herself seeking a similar position.

Assuming I'm getting warm, I won't make the obvious rejoinder.

jrapdx said...

An interesting fact is saints are decided after they're long gone, while they were alive they did and said things distinctly not saintly from the perspective of contemporaries. From written accounts, Mother Theresa often expressed herself in a nasty way, and was regarded as strident and demanding.

Same is true for presidents and other public figures. Trump is a "salt of the earth" kind of guy, speaks his mind, calls it like it is. That is more like "normal" people than the polished figureheads we typically encounter. Yet he can be soft-spoken and careful, like when he met with the Mexican president. Ironically, Trump was criticized for not being "tougher" about the wall. See, in the eyes of the media Trump can't win for losing.

We the "common" people think of Trump as an unpolished diamond. We find his off the cuff commentary refreshing, we know what he means because we understand metaphor, hyperbole and humor. In truth, Trump is a sensitive soul, not in a thin-skinned way, but insofar as he is very much aware of the social context in which he's operating. In the Stern radio show environment of years ago, of course he'e talk like "one of the guys", just like we'd expect.

The crucial element is that fundamentally Trump is a generous, warm and empathetic human being. IMO the election will be decided by this factor: Clinton is to her core a true narcissist, while Trump is the polar opposite.

Freder Frederson said...

If they can destroy Mitt, they can destroy anyone.

How exactly was Mitt "destroyed"? I don't remember anyone calling him nasty or chants of "lock him up".

He came across as a out of touch plutocrat. Which, as far as I can tell, was a pretty accurate assessment. (Hint, if you want to come across as the common man you don't recall that you were so poor in college you had to liquidate stocks to get by, or suggest that young people who can't find a job should just borrow money from their parents and start their own business.)

Freder Frederson said...

The crucial element is that fundamentally Trump is a generous, warm and empathetic human being.

How on earth did you come to this conclusion? His foundation is a sham, he shows no concern for others in the least.

Freder Frederson said...

Of the many things Trump is, boring he is not.

If you ignore the delivery and focus on the content, he is extremely boring. He just repeats the same things over and over.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Real people also don't have to worry about retaining all their emails for posterity, saying the exact right thing at funerals, or policing their spouse's behavior every moment of every day. Or is that a false equivalence?

Darrell said...

Stern has to dance for his Leftist masters. His old radio core audience couldn't afford the satellite fees, and if Stern doesn't bash Trump. the good times stop rolling.

Todd said...

Freder Frederson said...

How on earth did you come to this conclusion? His foundation is a sham, he shows no concern for others in the least.

10/27/16, 3:17 PM


Sorry, we discussing Trump or Clinton? Oh, right, you wrote "His" not "Her". Hard to tell there for a minute. What is the Clinton Foundation charitable level again? like 5% of collected or some such?

I get that Trump is an ass. He is the last guy I would EVER vote for to run for PUTUD.

I guess I lucked out that he is running against Clinton. Get it? He literally is the last guy. Oh and Clinton is worse. Much worse than Trump. Sad that I am reduced to that as a compliment for Trump but here we are.

Owen said...

Sebastian: "...If they can destroy Mitt, they can destroy anyone." I think that's largely true, and certainly it is true that it was their message in 2012: "Dear GOP Candidate: slow as you pass this gibbet and study carefully the hacked remnants of the last person foolish enough to challenge our power. This noble knight, possessed of every virtue and completely well-prepared, was helpless before us."

Romney was about as saintly as candidates get. Successful as can be in a very unforgiving environment, and so far as I can tell, painfully ethical in his work. Impeccable and enviable family life. Huge service to the community. Mild, thoughtful, intelligent, honorable, organized, a good leader and a good listener. Did I miss anything?

Oh, yeah. Helps grandmothers across the street.

Seriously, folks. What happened to Romney was not just enough to finish him in the election, it was the 10x mega-death overkill that demonstrated the Dems' ruthless and limitless will to power.

SteveR said...

How exactly was Mitt "destroyed"?

For some people he was "destroyed" by simply being a Republican so I don't expect you need any proof beyond that. We aren't talking about you.

Big Mike said...

So Freder, how much does the Soros-backed organization you work for (if one can debase the term "work") pay you per troll post?

hombre said...

What Stern doesn't say is that his show promotes women as sex objects and if you don't participate, male or female, you are not a "good sport."

What I tell acquaintances about Trump is that Trump spoke and speaks like a regular person. Hill spoke and speaks like a politician. The former reveals. The latter conceals.

We've seen the real Trump. The mediaswine have made sure of it. We know from the "email scandal" and Wikileaks that Hillary's and her campaign's behavior are about concealing her record and who she really is from us.

Fortunately, through some slips of the tongue, books by her assigned protectors, Wikileaks, FOIA releases and, however unintentional, disclosures by Comey and the FBI, we have seen that she is abusive, a grifter, a liar and an incompetent who may not even be physically fit enough for the job.

Paddy O said...

A saint would have even less chance than Trump. A real saint offends all the powerful, so wouldn't even get a chance to stand on a primary stage.

jrapdx said...

FF: "How on earth did you come to this conclusion?..."

Simple. 1.) I do not pay any attention whatsoever to anything written or said in the usual "news media", 2.) I carefully observe how people behave and what they say, and 3.) study available factual evidence of conduct.

Watching and listening to candidates as they've addressed and interacted with the public, and gathering info from documented sources leads to my comments in the prior post.

Examining the record of any human who has had an active, accomplished life, there will be flaws, errors, mistakes, misstatements, gaffs, bad decisions, and even rare instances of stepping outside the bounds of strictly ethical behavior. There are always some bones to pick at. But these events do not define the whole or the essence of a person.

I'm quite certain I'm right about Trump. And even more sure about Clinton's utter lack of redeemable qualities. Frankly it's telling that no one specifies what is seen in Clinton that would make her a credible friend, neighbor, team member or leader let alone president of the country.

hombre said...

Darrell wrote: "I thought we established that Stern is a worse piece of shit last week?"

Stern is a secular Jewish liberal in the entertainment industry sticking it to Trump. It's what they do. It doesn't make him a POS. He's always been a POS.

Earnest Prole said...

Of course it's related to the content of that post. As I noted in the comments, Posner's Supreme Court bon mots sound like they came straight off Trump's twitter feed. Arguably the greatest jurist of our time is now indistinguishable from the Short-Fingered Vulgarian.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

I just got a campaign thing in the mail. There was a photo of a young boy watching TV. It asked, "What is Donald Trump teaching our children?" Aimed at very, very dumb women, was my surmise.

Achilles said...

Blogger Freder Frederson said...
The crucial element is that fundamentally Trump is a generous, warm and empathetic human being.

"How on earth did you come to this conclusion? His foundation is a sham, he shows no concern for others in the least."

His foundation gives a lot of money to veterans groups. If you weren't such an idiot you would notice that the media is fucked up and abusively lying. But you are probably part of the machine.

We know you people hate us. We see how the left runs the VA and how we are treated there. We are going to be treating you like you treat us.

Hagar said...

Off topic - or is it?

Megyn Kelly's interview with Gingrich was like an almost over the top "Law & Order" episode about an overly ambitious and ruthless prosecutor.
I would hate to be a defendant - innocent or not - and meet up with a prosecutor like that.

Howard said...

Posner wants SCROTUS justices to "get real" and write common sense opinions based on more practical experience like being a trial attorney as opposed to a weaselwordsmithing academia nut.

Stern is a great interviewer because he has a finely tuned BS detector and won't let his guests pander.

Kevin said...

How exactly was Mitt "destroyed"? I don't remember anyone calling him nasty or chants of "lock him up".

Mitt paid noting in taxes, kept women in binders, wanted to put African Americans back "in chains", and gave his employee cancer.

He also took pleasure in tying pets to the roof of his car, and was a bully to at least one kid in high school.

If that's not enough to want to lock him up, I'm sure we can come up with more.

Hagar said...

Trump's language in that video was very embarrassing and it is my experience that for some guys, it is irresistible to keep talking like that and worse when they sense their audience is embarrassed.
Melania used the wrong word in saying that Billy Bush "egged" him on, but then she is not a native English speaker. Billy Boy's nervous titter had that effect, but "egged on" is not the right phrase.

rhhardin said...

He was spermed on, no egged on.

Earnest Prole said...

I'm for whimsical candor in all occupations save airline pilots, high judges, and perhaps a couple others

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

I think "believably human" or "believable as a person" is the phrase looked for here.

Howard said...

Achilles: you are not hated, you are pitied. Pitied because the robotic future has no place for hayseeds and good old boys. This Trump thing is the last gasp of the modern-day buggy-whip salesmen. If Dronald brought the factories back, they will be run by robots under the control of advanced degreed millennials from the elite universities. If you want to fight back, get an education in skills that will be in future demand because the leftists you fear are cold-hearted wild-west free market capitalists.

rhhardin said...

Women are dependent on political correctness; men aren't. So men are more often right, and being right is the reward.

The kindest thing is to encourage women to up their game.

Owen said...

Paddy O: "A saint would have even less chance than Trump. A real saint offends all the powerful, so wouldn't even get a chance to stand on a primary stage."

Exactly. And that is why Trump for a time confounded the adversary. Most of their artillery was trained on conventional challengers, more Romney-wannabe's, who could be hamstrung by real or alleged disclosures of shocking indiscretions such as giving the family dog a (much enjoyed) ride on the top of the family car. But Trump was out of scope. They had not really planned on dealing with a guy who, when attacked like that, just said "FYNQ" or (adopting the advice of a great man) he "punched back twice as hard."

Eventually they got on Trump's six --and Lord knows, he gave them enough chances-- and so here we are.

I don't know what the next candidate will be like, but since neither Romney (real merit) nor Trump (shameless contumacy) will suffice, I guess we will get the Total Hell Beast.

That assumes that we will still be having elections.

Howard said...

Mitt lost because he let the RNC run his campaign. Seeing the netflix documentary was eyeopening. Mitt is a great guy in private and played a stiff automaton on the campaign trail. Keep blaming others for your failures and whine about how everything is unfair if you want to continue to be road-kill.

mockturtle said...

Trump is not a misogynist. He likes women and trusts them in important positions. Rhhardin is a misogynist.

gadfly said...

I don't find any relationship between Posner, the liberal judge approving of left-leaning justices, Ginsberg (70% of the time) and Breyer (59% of the time) versus Trump's decision to spend his time on shock-jock radio talking about his favorite subject - all things sexual regarding beautiful women.

My reaction to the Howard Stern comment is "bullshit!" Donald Trump chooses his own acquaintenaces and it is striking that two of them are Howard "I make a living off sex talk" Stern and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who entertains famous friends (like Donald Trump) at his "Lolita" sex parties.

Add to these interactions with sex-hounds, the Access Hollywood tape and the pending charges of child rape in New York by one of Epstein's 13-year-old sex slaves and you get strong circumstancial evidence to consider when choosing your next President.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." ~Maya Angelou

Howard said...

Rhardon is not a mysogynist, he is a virgin. He admitted that he couldn't find a womans p_ssy with both hands and an ILS.

bagoh20 said...

I just found out that my employees will be getting a 53% increase in their health insurance, which I pay the majority share of. That's on top of a 20% increase last year. Companies in the 50 - 100 employee range are specifically getting reamed this year. Despite us all paying a ton in increased premiums year after year under Obamacare, my employees have lost their plans, lost their doctors, and not only did they not save $2500 on their premiums, they have been hit with more than that in increases.

But you know what? The candidate who has promised to get rid of this monstrous stupidity talks like sailor, and the corrupt lying criminal one who promises to keep the pain coming has a vagina, so yea, that kind of language is gonna just force me to screw myself and my employees for the foreseeable future. I mean nobody should vote for someone who talks like that. It's so mean.

As a registered Democrat since the age of 18, I remind you all that not one single Republican voted for Obamacare, and they told everyone over and over that exactly this would happen, while the Democrats lied right to your face over and over and over. Then we found out later that they knew the Republicans were right and fucked us anyhow. Oops, I used a bad word, therefore you can disregard everything I just told you.

Mick said...

Trump said mean things.
Clinton committed treason.

Equivalency??

Owen said...

gadfly: that is an awesome quote from Maya Angelou. What gives it power is the irony that we humans are so often so dumb or prideful that we will *not* accept the message that is being offered.

Re: Trump and his permanent adolescence. It is weird. Maybe testosterone poisoning but more likely a dominance thing. Frankfort's classic "On Bullshit" seems very relevant here (and is, in any case, a worthy read). Bullshit --whether on sexual prowess or on athletic skill or superb financial acumen or how one carved the corner with the engine at redline and the back-end almost breaking loose-- is just bullshit. In its low and primitive form it is bar-room bragging to no real effect. In its highest form it is stunningly outrageous hyperbole so perfectly presented that the audience simply applauds at the audacity of such assertions.

It has only a very limited connection to empirical reality.

That doesn't make it any the less reprehensible, depending on one's appetite to be a victim who claims offense at hearing the bullshit, or the bullshitter's skill in holding a line in that magical zone between incontestable fact, plausible exaggeration and utter fantasy. The nature of bullshit and the judgement thereof necessarily entails a good deal of judgment.

One might say that it is a Scold Trap: the bullshitter puts out an absurd proposition, elicits statements of outrage, and then isolates them as unimaginative and angry little scolds.

In Trump's case, we are way off the charts. I defer to others, more expert in bullshit, to help us find the shore.

Hagar said...

Has anyone figured out what AA finds "related" yet?

AprilApple said...

Meantime, The Clintons are 100% corrupt.

Morning Joe figures it out.

Hagar said...

Unless it is that old tapes can come back to haunt you.

Mac McConnell said...

Obamacare
Fighting five wars
The national debt
Border control
Cyber Security
Entitlements
The VA
IRS bureaucracy politically weaponised
FBI politically weaponised
Corruption at the State Dept.
DNC & RNC corruption
A stagnant economy
A lying piece of shit president
Fascist crony capitalism
ETC.

And we are discussing Trump's language, even though he is more on right on the issues and possible solutions. We are becoming a small people easily swayed by the national media.

TRUMP 2016! FUCK YA!






Freder Frederson said...

Seeing the netflix documentary was eyeopening. Mitt is a great guy in private and played a stiff automaton on the campaign trail.

Really. I saw the same documentary and came away with my impression of Mitt reinforced. Nobody ever claimed that he wasn't a devoted family man.

coupe said...

Hagar said...Has anyone figured out what AA finds "related" yet?

The term "qualified".

How can any political candidate, like Supreme Court Justice, or President, be deemed "qualified" today.

Who qualifies them?

The Constitution is vague on qualifications. Those who propose to be the qualifiers are sometimes not qualified themselves. It's a conundrum.

Howard said...

Freder: It was his unpretentiousness that that came through in the documentary that impressed. He didn't have the balls to be himself in public. If the alt-right is looking for someone to blame for Madame Presidente, it's poor old Mittens.

gadfly said...

@bagoh20 said...
The candidate who has promised to get rid of this monstrous stupidity talks like sailor, and the corrupt lying criminal one who promises to keep the pain coming has a vagina . . .

The old adage applies here - The candidate who supported government-sponsored, socialized, single-payer healthcare was for it before he changed his mind in March and adopted the standard Republican position.

So which statement is a lie, since we know Trump is a pathological liar? Judge for yourself from recent articles from the Washington Examiner and the Independent Journal Review.

320Busdriver said...

"not one single Republican voted for Obamacare, and they told everyone over and over that exactly this would happen, while the Democrats lied right to your face over and over and over. Then we found out later that they knew the Republicans were right and fucked us anyhow."

But then they softened the blow by parading out POS folks like Zeke Emmanuel and Jonathon Gruber. Better yet Pelosi, who had not read it, who said "we have to pass it to find out whats in it." nor did Sen Max Baucus, one of the architects of the law. He said reading it would have been a waste of time because only the experts would understand it.

How the hell is Pelosi still in DC, or Reid for that matter. Flush this detritus.

Dude1394 said...

0/27/16, 2:36 PM
Blogger Sebastian said...

"That's dangerous... unless you're a saintly real person.' No: unless you're on the left. Plenty of mad Hill stuff out there. Plenty of insanity from Dem Congress folk. Doesn't matter. By the same token, saintliness is no excuse in a GOPer. If they can destroy Mitt, they can destroy anyone.

Absolutely...I mean come on. Ann knows it, all conservatives know it, democrats know it, liberals know it. They feign indignation but it is all for show, they are more than willing to put up with an ACTUAL RAPIST in the white house and an ACTUAL KILLER OF MANY PEOPLE so they can get their people elected and into power.

It works to.

Big Mike said...

Well, here's the thing that the Democrats want. They want us to focus exclusively on Trump, and specifically on his coarseness. They don't want us to think about Hillary and her failures as Secretary of State (she is every bit as culpable as Obama for the failure to achieve a status of forces agreement in Iraq), her warmongering in Libya, her exposing sensitive diplomatic information and even classified information to interception on a poorly secured private server. They want us to think about what Trump said ten or a dozen years ago; they want us to ignore what she did as Bill's wife to enable his sexual assault on women like Kathleen Wiley.

I'm not falling for their bull***t. I'm voting for Trump.

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Dude1394 said...

It continues to be words, words, words. Where is the police report of the charge of sexual abuse and the evidence to back it up. There IS SUCH A THING with respect to Hillary and Bill Clinton.

As far as people talking like that, people talk ALL KINDS OF WAYS. Ann probably curses a blue streak either in her head or when alone if something is going on.

It is just TALK. Somehow TALK (when said by a republican it appears ) is much more disgusting than an ACTUAL RAPE.

Unbelievable.

tcrosse said...

A Hillary Clinton presidency will be as good for Women as Obama's has been for People of Color.

Dude1394 said...

"He's always rated women".

This one gets me. He was running BEAUTY PAGENTS. The entire reason for existence is to rate women.

You cannot pick up a ladies magazine without "10 hottest women on it" or "women with the largest cans in hollywood". "Best male butts in show business"

What is the heck is actually the big deal?

mockturtle said...

Right, Dude. No one ever--to my knowledge--forced any woman to participate in a meat market, er, beauty pageant.

walter said...

bagoh20,
One big bonus that wasn't predicted was the huge increase in jobs at the IRS. I suspect CMS has had to hire more folks to help process Medicaid enrollment and reimbursements. Maybe some outreach departments to recruit or reduce exits of doctors.
So, you know..it's a compassionate stimulus package kind of scenario.
All of that and based on the lack of attention it receives, Pelo-Reidcare must have come pretty close to its promised program costs..right?
I know a guy (barely) who informs me the increased number of food stamp recipients indicates we are becoming a more compassionate society..
It's all good.

mccullough said...

Don't go on Howard Stern or Access Hollywood if you want to be president

Night Owl said...

@AprilApple 4:56 PM

Never would expect to see that kind of reporting on MSNBC.

Their reactions, to me, seem like my reaction to that video of Hillary on 9/11; hearing about a rumor -- that she is hiding a serious illness-- is easy to dismiss, but when confronted with an image, it becomes real. Seeing clear evidence of Clinton corruption in writing made the "rumor" of corruption -- which Hillary has always dismissed as part of a vast right wing conspiracy-- very real for them. They can't deny what they see with their own eyes, or what it makes them feel. Note Mika's reaction -"Yuk". It's visceral.

Bob Ellison said...

Dude1394, there's also the thing about women between the ages of maybe 14 and 30 who have crazy sexual appetites. That's not an appropriate subject of discussion.

Boys, be warned: they might be as insane as you.

Dude1394 said...

10/27/16, 6:08 PM Delete
Blogger mockturtle said...

Right, Dude. No one ever--to my knowledge--forced any woman to participate in a meat market, er, beauty pageant.

10/27/16, 6:12 PM

And does anyone remember something called a "groupie". You know a woman who wants to sleep with rich, popular and powerful people so they can just say they did. Exactly what is the difference here between what Trump was referring to and a groupie? As Scott Adams said, women sitting next to a rich and powerful person sort of act a little different.

They sure as hell did for Bill Clinton, except he raped them as well.

I'm sure guys are the same and certainly Madonna thinks she can give a BJ to whomever she wants.

Bob Ellison said...

Howard said, "Stern is a great interviewer because he has a finely tuned BS detector and won't let his guests pander."

I turned on the car radio years ago and heard a caller ask Fran Drescher about her rape, laughing and saying she must have enjoyed it to some extent. Drescher was tough, tearing him apart, but Stern, the asshole, said approximately, "you have to answer the question."

Stern is not a man.

gadfly said...

@Mac McConnell said...
And we are discussing Trump's language, even though he is more on right on the issues and possible solutions. We are becoming a small people easily swayed by the national media.

I am not discussing Trump's language, I am discussing his character and his honesty. One rapist is enough, so I am not betting on Trump's character. You can explain to your grandchildren why you voted for him. FiveThirtyEight tells us that only 41% of the people voting for Trump are doing so because they like him - most of the rest are voting against Hillary - and I am not sure that will end up as a better result. So neither will get my vote.

As for Trump being right on issues, I don't think that he is. Consider the tariff/free trade choice he says he is making. Read here what Economist Don Boudreau at Cafe Hayek has to say.

Bob Ellison said...

gadfly said, "...most of the rest are voting against Hillary - and I am not sure that will end up as a better result. So neither will get my vote."

So you're voting in a popularity contest.

rhhardin said...

You could have truth pageants, with urns.

Howard said...

Well Bob, I can't vouch for every stinking interview. I'll never forget his interview of John Bobbitt. He got the guy to tell the whole story man to man.

Sounds like he gave Fran some tough love forcing her to confront a proxy for her rapist. That takes balls.

Bob Ellison said...

Wow, Howard. Hillary couldn't have said it better.

mockturtle said...

Dude asks: And does anyone remember something called a "groupie". You know a woman who wants to sleep with rich, popular and powerful people so they can just say they did. Exactly what is the difference here between what Trump was referring to and a groupie? As Scott Adams said, women sitting next to a rich and powerful person sort of act a little different.

Yes, this phenomenon was discussed a month or so ago regarding the same topic. Good to remind people, though, that some women are attracted to fame, power and money and that some collect rock musicians, politicians, athletes or moguls.

rhhardin said...

Consider the tariff/free trade choice he says he is making.

Economics loses sight of the big picture, that wealth-creating voluntary transactions depend on no fraud and no force. The latter two are enforced by a national government.

If the country you're trading with uses fraud and force in its citizens, you import fraud and force into your own country, and the economic Pareto optimum doesn't exist any longer; and the transactions no longer increase wealth.

An added oversight, independent of this major one, is that once the economy is big enough, it already has all the variety you need to get the benefits of trade internally. The benefits saturate with size, so to speak.

Neither of those come up in economics 101.

Howard said...

Jesus H. Christ. It's not the groping and misogyny. Trump is such a weak piece of shit that he needs to impress a low-life nothing like Billy Bush. You idiots don't get it. No wonder the right is being marginalized... you kibitz like yentas at bingo.

Howard said...

OK Bob, I didn't realize you operate on a soap opera zeitgeist. Sorry for assuming you were a man, I guess bob is short for bobbie.

mockturtle said...

Another thing I don't quite understand: Why do women wait 10-20 years before accusing someone of 'sexual assault' or 'groping' Unless, of course, they are being paid to do so at a politically convenient time.

Bob Ellison said...

Howard earns 1.7 Hillary points.

Move on to level 2.

Howard said...

rhardon: I'm sorry, but Howdy Doodie is a fictional character. Real business economic transactions are based fraud and force. Big boys understand this as the baseline norm. Please go back to pounding your key at 40-wpm... that's what you are good at. Scratch that, quit wasting your time on rag chewing and get back to working on the N-S equation... a dweeb like you just might make some useful progress.

Hagar said...

"Qualifications" may be it.
You must be nominated by someone and approved by the voters "qualified" to vote in your case, whether the people of the nation or the select group called the U.S. Senate.
Other considerations are irrelevant.

Howard said...

Bob still throwing insults like a girl... I suppose it's not fair to fire back

Hagar said...

And for the other discussions going on, remember that Hillary! will indeed have a "mandate," if she wins the election - the "mandate" to continue on the course she has been on for the last 40 years. If the voters approve her, that must be what they want.

Brian said...

Now that the Dilbert guy has taken himself our of the running, Althouse is now Trump's chief apologist.

Notice the assumption contained in this strange person's post: Bragging about criminal sexual battery is normal, making Trump superior to politicians who don't do so.

Bob Ellison said...

This is getting weird.

This blog doesn't seem like the place where political money would make sense. You could hire robots, maybe. But some of these comments seem pretty human.

bagoh20 said...

Nobody has critiqued Trump more on his past positions than me, but everything Trump has evolved on is in the right direction. Although I found him much more articulate when he was young, his changes in position are nearly all improvements. He's getting better.

Clinton has evolved from a little carnivorous dinosaur into a T-Rex. All her positions are worse than they were before. She has become more corrupt, more greedy, and more dishonest every year.

Watch the "Morning Joe" video linked above by AprilApple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or0WYLnQ1BE

Even people on her side are amazed and disgusted at her corruption and "sliminess". Not simple words spoken long ago that effect nothing, but actual acts of corruption, crime, and treason.

Trump is an asshole, but this is an easy call.

bagoh20 said...

" Real business economic transactions are based fraud and force. Big boys understand this as the baseline norm. "

Both are bullshit.

Most business is small business, and most of it has nothing to do with fraud, or force. It is simply getting someone to voluntarily trade what they have for what you have with money as the vehicle. That other shit may happen, but it is nowhere near the level that books and movies suggest. You voluntarily traded your money and attention for that bogus insight from someone. Maybe they defrauded you, but you swallowed it voluntarily.

hombre said...

gadfly: "So which statement is a lie, since we know Trump is a pathological liar? Judge for yourself from recent articles from the Washington Examiner and the Independent Journal Review."

Maybe Trump has "evolved," you know, like Hillary on gay marriage.

"Pathological liar?" Naw. Trump is merely a bullshitter. Hillary is a pathological liar. Better yet, Wm Safire wrote in the NYT twenty years ago in "Blizzard of Lies" that she was a "congenital liar." It would take Trump 20 more years to equal her in public lies.

We understand the need for you Clintonistas to project. But honestly, Trump's best defense is Hillary. That's why she hides and the media and the trolls always hold the conversation to Trump.

Howard said...

Bago: I'm not talking about buying Hershey bars for a convenience store. You live in LA, does the movie industry operate like Mr. Roger's Neighborhood? How about the aerospace industry? How about Trump? He fucks over all his suppliers and says "so sue me", then they settle for $0.5 on the dollar. Have you competed against billion dollar multinational conglomerates trying to sell technology to billion dollar industrial clients? I'm glad you can live and thrive in a Boy Scout world, the world has enough cynics.

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rhhardin said...

Please go back to pounding your key at 40-wpm.

In a curious reversal, I can copy 40 but can't send that fast. The keyer reads 26 when I start crapping out error-ratewise, though I think it's actually 30, comparing to W1AW. Old hands, perhaps.

Also baffled a little by the iambic keyer. It sends stuff I don't think I put in, but I have bug reflexes. That keeps the speed down.

Musicality is maximized at around 22 on the meter.

mockturtle said...

Hombre has it right: Trump is a bullshitter, Hillary is a pathological liar. I'll take the former.

mockturtle said...

the world has enough cynics

Oh, don't worry, Howard. There's always room for one more.

Bob Ellison said...

I used to take typing tests. Practiced at them. Once I max'd out at 154wpm.

I was probably a little high on caffeine, and I doubt the computer was measuring accurately. 80wpm is probably my max.

But Howard, let's go for it. We could set up a competition.

rhhardin said...

Voluntary trades: Wealth Comes from Disagreement

If you prefer something I have to somethihg you have, and I prefer that same something you have to that same something I have, we can trade and we both come out ahead.

We disagree about value.

Our combined wealth increases by the amount of the disagreement. This is miraculous, because there's only a rearrangement.

There's a story of a chaplin in a WW2 prison camp who would take his monthly Red Cross box and set out trading cigarettes, meat, jelly, and so forth, each trade reflecting the preferences of the other guy, say of jelly over cigarettes, and return to his bed with the equivalent of two Red Cross boxes. All he did was know who preferred what, and came away leaving everybody better off, yet with a profit also to himself. This is the vocation of the middleman. Disagreement is his melieu.

All voluntary trades raise the combined wealth. Trades that don't benefit both sides don't happen, at least not voluntarily.

Add up the voluntary trades over the nation, and the national standard of living rises by that amount.

The rule for generating the maximum amount of disagreement over value is: specialize and trade. The specialist values his output at much less than his customers do, and so he acquires a job. So long as the disagreements survive, his job is economically possible. The national economy booms.

For his needs, the specializer trades with other specializers.

Self-sufficiency, by contrast, is the route to extreme poverty.

Obama is the master of closing disagreement gaps, and with each closed gap a job disappears. Obama's is the economic policy disaster of the century.

hombre said...

Bob Ellison wrote: "This blog doesn't seem like the place where political money would make sense. You could hire robots, maybe. But some of these comments seem pretty human"

I seem to remember this being near the top in popularity among "law blogs." When a campaign has a $billion, Soros, PACs and who knows how much under the table, why leave any stone unturned - even if your candidate may be hiding under one of them?

AI robots would do better. Less hackneyed.

hombre said...

Brian wrote: "Bragging about criminal sexual battery is normal...."

If "they let you do it," it is a consensual touching, not a criminal battery, unless you're a snowflake from Yale, et al.

You are apparently not a lawyer. Don't come here to bullshit the lawyers.

BN said...

Stern interviewing the truly non-famous unimportant deplorable nobody (never happen):

Stern: So what do you think?

BN: I don't give a shit. Fuck all y'all. See you at the Apocalypse, Mofos.

Stern: But how do you really feel?

BN: I think it's gonna be all right. It's not like we're broke or anything.

Stern: Really?

BN: Just please tell our children we're sorry, will ya?

BN said...

"Don't come here to bullshit the lawyers."

Agree. No bullshit for the precious lawyers. They're the kings of it after all.

First thing we do...

Michael K said...

Will somebody please get Freder a fainting couch ?

Quickly ! He encountered a real person and can't handle it.

Needless to say, he has never seen a drill sergeant.

Dude 1394, I've seen groupies in action. Around sailing, of all things. They weren't as hot as the rock star groupies but they are drawn to money and big time sailing is money.

By the way, when Freder doesn't need the fainting couch any more, get it for Howard,

A friend of mine taught sailing to the guy who founded Budget Rentacars. The guy was so grateful, he told my friend he would give him some business advice. (My friend ran a small sailing school.) He said, "never pay a bill. After while they will stop providing service so you go to another one. " They will settle for a fraction as long as you provide volume."

walter said...

BN,
So was it you here who way back labeled this "The fuck all y'all election"?

bagoh20 said...

Howard: " I'm glad you can live and thrive in a Boy Scout world, the world has enough cynics."

I live in the real world of business - not the mostly imaginary one of novels, movies and socialists where deals are all by design exciting, underhanded, dramatic events with winners and losers. 99% of transactions are win/win. Otherwise they would not happen. Is that really hard to grasp? I know it's not how it looks on TV, but there is a reason for that and it's also a win/win transaction. See, you do it all the time, and you still have all your fingers.

BN said...

walter, it could have been. i usually try to forget what i write here as soon as i can.

BN said...

in vino veritas, in vino oblivio

mockturtle said...

So, which is, it, BN? Veritas or oblivio? It can't be both. Can it?

John said...

Blogger Big Mike said...

@Freder when Lyndon Johnson drafted me back in '68 I heard way worse language than Trump's from my drill sergeant and fellow troopers.

Navy for me, 1967, Company 368, BT1 Mason our "DI". He was one of the most imaginative cussers I have ever heard in my life. Anyone who has been in the military finds being cussed by SJW folks to be like a soft warm hug. They just have no use of language.

"Pussy"? I was probably called that 20-30 times a day, individually and en masse. It was decidely not meant to signify a cat or a kitten. Mason would go into graphic gynecological detail about various pussies at times. Mothers, wives, sisters, girlfriends, women in general's pussies. He needed to be sure we understood exactly what he was talking about.

Compared to BMC Bishop of our sister company, though, Mason was a pussycat.

John Henry

John Henry

John said...

A whore is a person who has sex with another person for money. NTTATWWT. A woman's body, a woman's choice.

Gloria Allred is a money grubbing sleazy ambulance scamster. Her client was (is?) a whore in the technical sense of the word. Doing it in front of cameras doesn't make her any less of a whore.

What I cannot for the life of me understand is why a whore would be offended by a man offering her money to do her job. Offended perhaps if it were not enough but otherwise? And she can always say no. As she did in this case.

Allegedly, anyway. Since Gloria Allred is involved, I doubt that any of it happened.

John Henry

BN said...

Mock, above my pay grade.

BN said...

On the other hand, in my experience...

Yes.

mockturtle said...

Remember the old joke?:

Girl: He called me a two-bit whore!

Friend: So, what did you do?

Girl: I hit him over the head with a bag of quarters.

BN said...

Still funny. But I'll laugh at any joke with "two bits" in it.

narciso said...

beat that, she loots whole countries, like earthquake ravaged haiti, allows the warlords to pillage nigeria, and they don't dare sue her, people in her circle are like the board members of spectre.

Unknown said...

PM
Blogger gadfly said...
@Mac McConnell said..

As for Trump being right on issues, I don't think that he is. Consider the tariff/free trade choice he says he is making. Read here what Economist Don Boudreau at Cafe Hayek has to say.

10/27/16, 6:29 PM

I read it and find it wanting. Taxes are not the same as prices. Cutting taxes can be done while prices rise because of tariffs, they are not equivalent.

Taxes go to a government entity that takes their cut and doles it back out after getting either a campaign donation or some other special privilege.

Prices go to a company that is used to pay x number of people's salary, who created something, and those salaries were used to raise their family, buy other stuff and save.

It is ridiculous that this yahoo equates the two. A rise in prices is NOT a tax.

This is the same crap the republican elite have been selling, it is snake oil.

narciso said...

no, but tariffs can result in hire prices, the real question is reciprocity, other countries like china get away with their tariff walls, while we are defenseless, similar situation obtain in the us/mexico relationship,

damikesc said...

Mitt gave people cancer and tortured dogs.

The left and the media are just bad people.


In 2020, we'll hear complaints that a candidate isn't as pro-gay as Trump and why couldn't we nominate intelligent folks like him.

I'd hate to live in your world, where "real people" talk like Donald Trump. Would you accept that kind of talk from Meade?

Have you never said anything anybody might find objectionable? If no, congratulations, you're the most boring person in existence.

Meanwhile I see that Hillary Clinton is using Morgan Freeman to make the final case for her in a commercial. That would be the same Morgan Freeman who called us all racists for being upset at paying more for worse coverage under Obamacare.

The same Morgan who is marrying or has married his own step-granddaughter. We'd know this if he was a conservative, mind you.

Pitied because the robotic future has no place for hayseeds and good old boys.

Small problem: We're armed, numerous, and versed in using guns. We also know our backyard really well and our military, honestly, has never been very good at guerilla warfare. And given how much of our military is "good old boys", you'd have issues with mutiny and the like should anything be tried.

I love that you feel the robotic future has no place for hayseeds and good old boys. No other group has an issue. They can just be slaves.

Can you explain WHY I should do anything to help this country? Why I shouldn't sell whatever I can to another power, given that this country, per you, gives no shits about me?

If you want to fight back, get an education in skills that will be in future demand because the leftists you fear are cold-hearted wild-west free market capitalists.

Nothing says "wild-west free market capitalists" like people demanding government subsidies for their businesses.

Really. I saw the same documentary and came away with my impression of Mitt reinforced. Nobody ever claimed that he wasn't a devoted family man.

He just opposed Obama, so had to be accused of numerous types of horrible actions. But it was all his fault. Because Progressives are all about not blaming the victim.

Ellen said...

Bagoh20 shared his premium increase information for this year. I am curious about other's experiences. I am a co-owner of a small business (10 employees plus 5 owners) and we were pleased that our health insurance premiums only went up 4% for next year.