October 8, 2016

I'm picturing Trump using the debate as his forum for revealing that he is withdrawing.

It could be very dramatic. The ultimate in showmanship.

Let us look back and say: Nothing in his campaign became him like the leaving it; he withdrew as one that had been studied in withdrawing; to throw away the dearest thing he owned, as 'twere a careless trifle.

Shakespeare reference: here.

122 comments:

mockturtle said...

Hope springs eternal in the NeverTrump breast.

Mike Sylwester said...

I got over that fantasy weeks ago.

Bad Lieutenant said...

So you would, literally, prefer World War Three with the Russians, to being an adult about Trump's words?

buwaya puti said...

What will become him will be to win.
To stuff it up them all, properly.
They need a good stuffing.

Mark said...

Well, since it has been proven again and again that the Clintons have no standards or shame or decency, I guess it would not be a case of double standards to say that Trump should drop out and not say that Hillary should do the same. Were everyone playing by Clinton rules, Trump would be cheered right now, rather than people feigning shock and offense.

poker1one said...

Keep beating the drum, someone may listen.

AprilApple said...

Wow it would be awesome. Give everyone a chance to vote for someone other that the Trump-Hillary sh*t show.

PB said...

There's something else he could do on that debate stage that would have immeasurable benefit to our country, but I'm not going there.

n.n said...

Clinton will choose to abort her campaign.

David Begley said...

Not going to happen.

But what if Hillary withdrew?

"Yes, my fellow Americans, I service Wall Street, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia. I took bribes. I obstructed justice. I am very ill. No way could I slog through four years. For the good of my country - for the first time in my life - I am withdrawing from the election."

Mark said...

Meanwhile, look at how the folks who are oh-so-offended by Trump are clearly getting off on indulging in Trump-porn, seeking out and looking at and reading about and talking about and telling others about his exploits.

AprilApple said...

It's delusional to think Hillary will ever let go her grasp of power, or drop out. Please.

The only small spark of a chance we have to avoid the Clinton corruption, - Trump must drop out. Now is his chance. If he loves America.

Annie said...

This is getting boring.

Can we have some balance with the most recent emails hi-lighting Hilary's incestuous relationship with bankers and the in-your-face lies to the public? That affects all of us.

Unknown said...

Trump is still going to win

Because the American people are smarter than law professors

The Cracker Emcee said...

Won't happen. I imagine this was timed to goad Trump into throwing aside at the second debate whatever restraint he may have. Should be a ratings bonanza.

steve uhr said...

Hillary must be praying he stays in the race since he is the only one she can beat.

AprilApple said...

If we didn't have the Trump distraction - we WOULD be talking about Hillary's corruption.

You honestly think the MSM are going to focus on anything Clinton with Trump's old garbage in the hopper?

Laslo Spatula said...

"The American People deserve a president that puts America First. While have sought to put America First it is obvious that I have made mistakes in the past, mistakes that many may not forgive.

Other mistakes that have been made have been selling out our Country to others, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and -- yes -- Russia. These are mistakes that many Americans will never forgive, either.

As such, I will withdraw my campaign for President on the agreement that Ms. Clinton does the same.

I am Donald trump, and I approve this message.


I am Laslo.

Annie said...

AprilApple, we can wish but it's not going to happen. Pence would mop the floor with her.

Hillary is an awful woman. I was going to say she was an awful human being, but she has no humanity.

Gk1 said...

My liberal friends are positively giddy this morning but I hated to point out they were just as giddy as they were after the debates and Hillary still sank by a point and lost ground in Michigan. I think Trump should respond to your request for surrender by saying "Nuts"

Amexpat said...

Not sure how practical that would be now with 50 different state laws regulating ballot changes. What he could do, is say that he'd resign immediately after his inauguration. That way he could say he won the presidency and appear magnanimous in giving it up for the greater good.

Don't think he'll that though. And even if he did, I doubt it would change the outcome.

Rhythm and Balls said...

What is it with you and entertaining the unprecedented idea of viable candidates just dropping out for no reason? What's up with that? Do you really understand how these things work?

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Give everyone a chance to vote for someone other that the Trump-Hillary sh*t show."

You don't deserve a vote, you are too stupid. Not knowing you can vote for anyone your little heart desires is a voter disqualification to those with any smidgeon of honor.

Also We weren't given the vote, we killed by the millions for it. Now we are gonna have to do it again.

Again.

But there is no will anymore, no women worthy of fighting for, that's for damn sure. So you are on your own, just like Biden told us way back when. Man, is that man a genius.

rhhardin said...

Women vote for political correctness every time.

Men vote against it.

It's about being permitted to say what you notice, or not.

Eric Landgraf said...

Its time to dump Trump. The Frat-boy prank has gone on long enough. The GOP must delete Trump and soldier on under the leadership of Pence.

Job 1 for the RNC is to make certain the primary system never ever repeats the Trump magical mystery tour of political hell.

Anne said...

This so reminds me of the Clinton years in Dc.....everyone else has their own intern action going on , but Bill is the one who has to pay at the public whipping post as they all pretend they are pure....please. Even if his opponent wasn't the Clinton crime family NWO Inc., it would be ridiculous for Trump to quit over this. imo

Mark said...

A common tactic of the left is projection. It includes not only the people charging their opponents with doing something that they themselves are doing or have done -- and usually much worse -- and it also includes those who will pick up the BS and multiply it with their own and then shovel it to everyone else.

We see it here on abundant display, whether you use the cute example from Macbeth, given the history of Hillary being Lady Macbeth, or whether, when it comes to giving things up, the example of Hillary's Gollum-like obsession with "her precious" ring of power.

rhhardin said...

Wait for Megyn Kelly. It's going to be comedy gold, for men.

ndspinelli said...

Althouse has been looking for a pretense to vote for her fellow female barrister for over a year now. She just found it. Anyone who voted for Bubba, as she did, and then finds this disqualifying is a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

cyrus83 said...

It's a good picture and doubtless would happen if this were a movie or a TV drama. In reality, while it's true Trump is a showman, there is no benefit to his brand for leaving now. Any damage from this audio would still stand and he would damage himself immensely with all of his supporters for basically handing the race to Clinton by quitting. Brand-wise, Trump is better off seeing this through to the end.

rhhardin said...

Women are supposed to get more cynical and smarter ("it was only feelings") as they get older.

It doesn't always happen.

Guildofcannonballs said...

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/02/biden-warns-teamsters-to-vote-dem-or-youre-on-your-own-jack/

rhhardin said...

Pudendum rule.

Bob Boyd said...

Say what you want about Trump, no one is afraid to say what they want about Trump.

eric said...

He isn't going to drop out.

He may not win. But he isn't going g to drop out.

bagoh20 said...

Pence would win, and that would be great for me, but it won't happen. I knew George Washington. He was a friend of mine, and Trump is no Washington.

Seriously though, I think Trump is torn on being President. It would be a great accomplishment, and I'm sure he loves the idea of it, but he realizes it won't be any fun, and in real day-to-day living and work, a step down from his current job. I'd see it that way, but he seem to love all that limelight and I would hate it.

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, I wouldn't count on it. I recollect that back in 2008 you had this daydream about Barack Obama turning out to be a good president. Is there a point where a "woman of a certain age" stops deluding herself?

Big Mike said...

@Bad Lieutenant, she lacks the imagination to think it will come to that.

mockturtle said...

Per April The only small spark of a chance we have to avoid the Clinton corruption, - Trump must drop out. Now is his chance. If he loves America.

What? And elect Pence? How would he differ in policy from the Bush years? Or maybe you think nation building, open borders, unfair trade policies and failed educational systems are what we want.

EDH said...

I still think Trump can use this episode as a springboard. Not necessarily improve his chances, but to remain competitive.

Trump can have a "come to Jesus moment" to atone for his comments, whereas Hillary can't. Trump can simultaneously admit his blustering style that spilled over into sex talk with the guys, apologize, and promise to do better in his life -- all without impugning either his honesty or integrity to the electorate. His initial public statement reflected this approach.

Comments attributed to Hillary during highly compensated Wall Street speeches really offer no redemptive equivalent: she's boxed in by conflicts in honesty and integrity. Hillary's long-proven tragic instinct for poor strategic decsion-making was evident when she told her Wall Street audiences exactly what she thought they wanted to hear.

buwaya puti said...

The urge to have a polite contest with plausible candidates is very much like managements urge to cook the books or fiddle the engineering reports or massage the metrics, to avoid upsetting people, while secretly promising each other that they will fix this quietly.

That doesn't work. The shitshow needs to shitshow, or the problems stay and will certainly get worse.

The condition of the country is bad, hence this mess. The proper, if unfortunate approach is to thoroughly rub everyones faces in it, pull the scabs off the infected wound, let the pus out in the open.

dreams said...

Wasn't it Blowjob Clinton who wanted to withdraw but Monica insisted on bringing him to completion. Trump isn't going to withdraw, he is going to make our country great again.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

"but he realizes it won't be any fun,"

I don't know about that. He'd like the often described isolation bubble of the POTUS and the upgraded plane/chopper and the playing of hail to the Donald. Not to mention the angles for dough making and revenge taking. Seems like DJT could get off on that.

bagoh20 said...

The women in my life hate Hillary with more passion than the men I know. Trump's antics are seen more like: "so what, I'm not surprised. I don't want to marry a guy like that, but that's not what this is about." It's about trust in government, and Hillary is like the girl you know that steals your clothes and badtalks about you behind your back. You know the kind of things Trump might pull, but a woman like that has no limits. She's just more scary to women who see this as a political choice rather than President as boyfriend.

holdfast said...

@Anne (not Althouse) - Clinton was paying the price for the Thomas hearings, and to a lesser degree the Borking of Bork.

And the fact that he and Hillary went on TV and flat-out lied to America about the status of his marriage. They made it an issue.

Meade said...

Trump grabbed an unsuspecting GOP by its pussy. GOP just let him do it. Except for the #NeverTrump-ers, who had too much self respect along with the fact that they had no pussies for Trump to grab.

FredwinaD said...

I'm really puzzled. Are you joking, Ann? I thought for sure your previous post about Trump's lack of self-restraint was just trolling. But now it seems you're doubling down on throwing him under the bus. Obviously Trump is not going to drop out. Nor should he. This is just politics as usual for the Democrats. They can't win any other way except by dishing dirt, cheating and the politics of personal destruction. All of it happens with an assist from a corrupt media, and in this election, members of Trump's own party. I'm not defending his words (which is ALL they were). But to think that the people who support Trump are going to stop just because of this "bombshell" is delusional and short-sighted. Not only does Hillary show no self-restraint, but she won't be restrained by anyone or anything else, either. We've already seen plenty of evidence of that. She has been recorded saying so many inappropriate things, but it all gets brushed under the rug by the media. Surely you understand that? I would think most reasonably intelligent people understand that none of us would want our private conversations revealed to the world. We all say inappropriate things sometimes. Plus, have you listened to popular music lately? Have you watched TV or movies? Have you spoken to anyone under the age of 30? I'm disappointed.

Bob Boyd said...

I predict a parade of women coming forward with stories of Trump assaulting them. It will be like Bill Cosby.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

Meade stirs the pot.

Michael K said...

Job 1 for the RNC is to make certain the primary system never ever repeats the Trump magical mystery tour of political hell.

Sure, we could go back to the 1920 convention that produced Harding after a couple of days. Harding was actually a pretty good president but, like Grant, he was undone by all the politicians who slid in under the radar (not that there was radar then).

Trump is the result of the celebrity culture that gave us Obama, who had no accomplishments at all.

Trump will not quit and the election is still too close to call. What this scandalette will do is skew the polls even more.

I still wonder what the Stasi/DNC has on Ryan.

robother said...

The only literary reference that I can summon in regards to Trump resigning the nomination is Puzo:

"Luca Brasi held a gun to his head, and my father assured him that either his brains or his signature would be on the contract."

rhhardin said...

apologize, and promise to do better in his life

Jeez, no. Unapologize, if anything. He'd lose his whole base.

Women are attracted to rich and powerful men. It's real. It has evolutionary survival value. Go with it.

Fortunately for women, men like women.

traditionalguy said...

If you believe Trump will surrender, you don't understand him.

Michael K said...

"the #NeverTrump-ers, who had too much self respect along with the fact that they had no pussies for Trump to grab."

Nor any balls.

n.n said...

Romney lost with a binder full of women. Obama won with trickle-up poverty and class diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, exclusion). Clinton won with a stable full of women. Trump will be crucified for his apostasy against the Church. Clinton's disaffected wife hopes to win with chambers full of babies, mass emigration reform (e.g. refugee crises), and progressive wars. The Pro-Choice Church is a recurring institution in progressive liberal cultures.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

Trad guy so now that you've been head over heals for Palin and Trump, who else really impresses you?

I'd guess LePage.

Original Mike said...

EDH said..."I still think Trump can use this episode as a springboard. Not necessarily improve his chances, but to remain competitive.

Trump can have a "come to Jesus moment" to atone for his comments, whereas Hillary can't."


I think this too, though I see no evidence Trump is capable of humility.

I am much more concerned by Hillary's behavior than Trump's. But that's not the way the world turns. Most people are pretty shallow.

Meade said...

I shouldn't say the #NeverTrumpers had NO pussies for Trump to grab. In the end he grabbed Ted Cruz's pussy. Even made it purr.

Poor Ted.

rhhardin said...

I'm trying to think what women are good at.

Somebody should start a list.

AprilApple said...

Trump is in this thing to hand it to Hillary. He is now saying "he will never withdraw."

He made a deal with Bill. Gotta see it thru.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

BTW, is it just me, or do the LDS pols seem more committed to living their beliefs than many of the con evangelicals who seem more strategic/scheme-y?

readering said...

Don't let him drop out before SNL tonight.

Mark said...

Of course, what is conveniently ignored is that up until about a year ago or so (and deep down probably even now), Trump was essentially a Democrat in thought and action. And such conduct as this is, as history shows, not at all uncommon among Democrats and the left in general.

Bill Clinton, Algore, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, Hillary right-hand-girl Huma Abedin's husband Anthony Weiner -- the list of Democrat sexual predators goes on and on and on. Not to mention the cesspool - sexual and otherwise - that are their supporters in Hollywood, the media, and business.

exiledonmainstreet said...

AprilApple said...
If we didn't have the Trump distraction - we WOULD be talking about Hillary's corruption."

No we wouldn't be. The media would be talking about how Pence is a crazy Jebus lover who wants to return us to the days of back alley abortions. Any other Republican? They'd dig up something. They'd find something. Don't you remember 2012? The national "conversation" was about Sesame Street and binders of women and Mitt bullying some kid in high school, not about Obama's record.

The media are experts at making campaigns about the Republican candidate's flaws and not about the Democrat's actual record. Trump provides them with a lot of material, but it's delusional to think this country would be having a calm, reasoned debate about Issues That Really Matter if he were not the candidate.

We would not because we are no longer a serious or adult country.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

"Don't let him drop out before SNL tonight."

I was thinking that now they'll need to reshuffle the whole week's writing and rehearsals. The Veep debate seems like it was a month ago.

rhhardin said...

Somebody actually feminine would turn the whole thing into a dance.

Rhythm and Balls said...

The women in my life hate Hillary with more passion than the men I know. Trump's antics are seen more like: "so what, I'm not surprised. I don't want to marry a guy like that, but that's not what this is about."

Ah... California. So much more mature that way. The things they could teach these naive Wisconsonites and Delawareans.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

The LDS offices are also disproportionately represented by high ranking folks according to The Hill's annual run down of DC's hottest folks.

And, they get to be the god of their own planet.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Is there any evidence the Trump pussy comments have any traction at all beyond the pundiblogotwittersphere?

No one's dropping out, Trump and Hillary are going neck and neck down to the wire, the only question remaining is which is the more irresolute marginal faction, the Bernie BroSists or the Republican #NeverTrumpers.

My belief is that the #NeverTrumpers are the better positioned to pull the lever for Trump while trumpeting their virtue, astonishment and horror that he won.

rhhardin said...

A soft worm turns away wrath.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"the Trump distraction"

Modern politics is nothing BUT distractions. Don't look at Obamacare's failures, don't look at the Iran deal, don't look at the dangers of allowing unvetted refugees into the country, don't look at the dangers PC poses to free speech, don't look at the debt crisis, don't look at the corruption of the ruling class - no, let's talk about crude comments made 20 years ago.

PBandJ_Ombudsman said...

For Meade:

https://twitter.com/YayImOnline/status/784500681679908864

exiledonmainstreet said...

I also don't get why people who didn't blink an eye when Melania Trump's nude photos surfaced would suddenly be driven into a puritanical frenzy because Trump talked about pussy.

SukieTawdry said...

I'm trying to think what women are good at.

Well, we're pretty good at leading men around by their dicks.

wildswan said...

Trump won't surrender. He can just say that Bill Clinton tells the same kind of stories and so do Hillary's Hollywood celebrity supporters and stars. She has star supporters and Trump - once again the truth teller - is saying that women in Hollywood and on the celebrity circuit expect stars, these Hillary supporters to come on to them in rude, disgusting, abusive ways. Often Hollywood wives enable this behavior just as Hillary does, so Hillary fits right in. That's why Hollywood and its stars (who hate Trump) support her - she enables their assaults and groping. And she'll invite the Hollywood Star Groping Team to the White House where they can be foul in a new venue. But the Hollywood Assault Team won't be in the White House if Trump is there because they hate him. Plus they know that Wapo will be recording Trump parties and putting them on the front page with cries of "shame, shame" if at all possible, whereas under Hillary the Wapo will be suppressing the truth about the assaults on women that Hollywood and Bill will be enjoying in the White House.

So in the world we live in women would be better off with Trump in the White House. And it's time for the Puritan revolution - we now know why the people who founded this country hated the English court and the aristocracy everywhere.

Mick said...

Please, this was a private conversation, with men bragging to each other how virile they are.
The Crooked old Lady is trying to equate this with:

1) Her defense of a rapist of a 12 yr. old girl during the short time she actually worked a s a lawyer, where she got the rapist off by convincing the jury that the girl "wanted it".

https://youtu.be/TuFO3yVbC5k

2) She violated the Emoluments Clause, and her term as SOS was illegal.

3) She sold favors while in office though donations to the Clinton Foundation, using her office to gain wealth at the expense of the American people. She even sold Uranium production in the Western US to Russia, while her husband sold military secrets and technology to China. ONLY 7% of Clinton Foundation Funds go to "Charity".

4) She destabilized Algeria, Libya, Egypt and Syria, starting multiple wars in the Middle East in the pursuit of "regime change", murdered another country's sovereign ruler (Kadafi), then bragged about it. Many thousands of innocents have died in these "arab spring" wars, and it has sown the seeds of the "migration crisis" seen today.

5) She let our Ambassador at the outpost of Bengahzi to be killed brutally, then blamed it on a "movie" for weeks.

6) She armed what is now ISIS through arm shipments through Libya to Syria (which is why Ambassador Stevens was killed-- knew too much about treason).

7) She served as SOS under an illegal Usurper (Hussein Obama).

8) She violated the Federal Records Act by having a private email server for State Business, and then deleted those emails when subpoenaed to turn then over.

9) Her "right hand girl" is a Muslim Brotherhood spy.


Etc.

Etc.

Vs.

"Trump said mean things"

They are desperate to stop the Trump train--- LANDSLIDE TRUMP.

Meade said...

Michael K said...
"the #NeverTrump-ers, who had too much self respect along with the fact that they had no pussies for Trump to grab."

Nor any balls.
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Men, protect your future unborn: Practice situational awareness. Stay alert. Don't allow Trump to grab your balls (or pussy).

dreams said...

"I'm trying to think what women are good at."

"Well, we're pretty good at leading men around by their dicks."

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you women would be good leaders and Hillary was never a success at even that.

Mark said...

Talk about getting off on Trump-porn. Now we are being treated to this crude and infantile repetition of the word that is "so offensive," no doubt with the person doing it giggling like a six-year-old each time he writes it.

SukieTawdry said...

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you women would be good leaders and Hillary was never a success at even that.

I didn't say it was a qualification for office, merely that we're good at it.

bagoh20 said...

"Well, we're pretty good at leading men around by their dicks."

We understand and except that, so why all this drama when you find one "unexpectedly" asking for directions?

Rhythm and Balls said...

Men, protect your future unborn: Practice situational awareness. Stay alert. Don't allow Trump to grab your balls (or pussy).

I won't.

You, OTOH, can grab your own balls ("or pussy") as much as you want. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's how you spend your days.

All that's missing is having an actual urban street corner abutting your front porch as you stand on it wearing a "wife beater" (don't worry hypersensitives, no crime - just a term of art) and massaging your atrophying balls. On the lookout for kids to yell at to get off your lawn.

Hey, everyone needs something to do with their time.

Bob Boyd said...

Hillary is proposing sweeping reforms of locker room conversation.

Rhythm and Balls said...

We understand and except that, so why all this drama when you find one "unexpectedly" asking for directions?

What is it called when a woman (who may or may not be wearing a tight, form-fitting, soft dress) hugs you and takes that opportunity to rub her crotch against yours?

Assault! screameth the Bureaucralthouse!

Women can gauge physical interest or reactions without using their hands that way. Men can't. Apparently that's just one of the things that Paul Ryan says we should "revere" them for. (Yes, he actually said that women should be "revered." It seems we should be asked what's to be made of that, but no one bats an eyelash. Yes, of course it's a one-way crime to disrespect the gods. The gods, OTOH, owe you no such respect).

Rhythm and Balls said...

"I'm trying to think what women are good at."

"Well, we're pretty good at leading men around by their dicks."

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you women would be good leaders and Hillary was never a success at even that.


Team Hillary (and her Republican enablers) is actually trying this out right now. She is shaming men into thinking that they won't get any pussy if they don't agree that Trump is a criminal for touching the women who wiggled onto his lap and so-much-more-innocently felt his crotch through their clothes rather than with their actual hands.

Sometimes Latin women like to grab (strongly grab, I should say) your dick as you're making out with them. But I guess that's ok because of the rewards they're owed by the political left.

Me, I couldn't care less. Grab it, don't grab it. Wiggle on it, don't wiggle on it. We all gotta communicate and communication takes many forms. I guess I have yet to understand the benefits of psychologically amputating my own sex organs that way and declaring them an interaction-free zone.

It's funny how those of us who actually enjoy (and seem to understand) sex invest so much less of our own identities into it and how protected and "off-limits" it needs to be in order to do so.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Why are Meade and A. even opining on this?

No one who hasn't had sex at least ten times in the last month or at least kissed as often (and not just on the cheek) should be opining on sexual communication whatsoever.

This is like listening to deaf people discussing the dynamics of voice modulation.

ndspinelli said...

The only time I get deleted is when Meade appears in the comments. I made an innocuous comment that was very true about Althouse searching for, and finally finding her pretext to vote for her choice all along, a fellow female barrister. That was it, and it was deleted. What a small man this lawn care professional is. His wife is tougher than he.

Rhythm and Balls said...

I suppose that in this very geriatric election reminding ourselves of our establishment politicians' and pundits' extreme lack of familiarity with "freak dancing" is out of order.

ndspinelli said...

Ritmo, OUCH!!

grimson said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
"the Trump distraction"

Modern politics is nothing BUT distractions. Don't look at Obamacare's failures, don't look at the Iran deal, don't look at the dangers of allowing unvetted refugees into the country, don't look at the dangers PC poses to free speech, don't look at the debt crisis, don't look at the corruption of the ruling class - no, let's talk about crude comments made 20 years ago.

Exactly. If Trump stays in and prevails, maybe that can be the beginning of the end of gotcha media coverage for the GOP, and the end of the GOP trying to portray themselves as paragons of virtue for the Evangelical crowd.

BDNYC said...

If Hillary had any decency, she would've never run for president. She would've never put the FBI in the awkward position of investigating a presidential candidate, where no matter they did their reputation with the public would be damaged. If Hillary had any decency, she would withdraw. There is still time.

But no, she has donors at home and abroad that she made promises to. Her family's livelihood depends on it.

HT said...

Pence would not win.

mockturtle said...

PB&J mused: BTW, is it just me, or do the LDS pols seem more committed to living their beliefs than many of the con evangelicals who seem more strategic/scheme-y?

Oh, yeah. Guys like Harry 'corruption personified' Reid, for instance.

mockturtle said...

Also, PB&J, it would appear to me that you, having used 'LDS' instead of 'Mormon' are probably a Mormon, yourself.

mockturtle said...

Per buwaya: The condition of the country is bad, hence this mess. The proper, if unfortunate approach is to thoroughly rub everyones faces in it, pull the scabs off the infected wound, let the pus out in the open.

Yes, debridement, it is called. Unhealthy tissue must be scraped off--sometimes even cut away--from a wound before the healthy tissue can heal. Maybe this is what is called for at this pivotal time.

R.J. Chatt said...

I'm sure those fake outraged Republicans have heard and perhaps said worse at their Country Clubs. I'm very sure I heard worse on the golf course just the other day.

This will turn into a teaching moment for the nation about how men speak to each other about women when men think they won't be heard.

sinz52 said...

It's NOT about what Trump said about women.

It's about what Trump said he did TO women.

No real man would try to steal away another man's wife.

If you're a married woman, you're spoken for already. My conversation with you will be limited to harmless topics like the weather.

Theranter said...

It'd be pretty awesome if Trump opened the debate denouncing in some detail Hillary's subversive and corrupt life, that continues to this day, then announces he's dropping out, states there is new pick in the wings that will replace him momentarily on the stage, and out walks Condi Rice.

Hillary would faint.

Theranter said...

Twitter:
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The media and establishment want me out of the race so badly - I WILL NEVER DROP OUT OF THE RACE, WILL NEVER LET MY SUPPORTERS DOWN! #MAGA"

Crimso said...

When asked about it at the debate, Trump need only respond "At this point, what difference does it make?"

Lydia said...

Trump could bow out on a semi-high note at the debate saying he was doing it for the good of the country....because a president has to be have at least a teeny semblance of moral standing...which is exactly what Bill Clinton should have done when his sordid affair with a young intern was revealed and he lied about it and Hillary provided cover...not to mention the rapes and the threats.

A twofer because he really, really doesn't want to lose, which looks all but certain since it’s the Undecideds he needs now, and he could finally deliver on the threats about all the bad things he said he could say about Hillary.

Clyde said...

Drop out? Hell, noes! Now is the time for the Trump campaign to pull out whatever tactical nukes they have in their pocket regarding Clinton's corrupt behavior, as well as for her covering for her husband's sexual adventures. I'm still backing Trump, despite the fact that I abhor his comments, because Hillary Clinton is a criminal who belongs in the Big House, not the White House. Given a choice between a vulgar boor and a corrupt criminal, I'll take the vulgar boor.

mockturtle said...

Am I the only one here that thinks that sexual comments are less damning to a candidate than corruption? Is sexual sin the only kind?

Bad Lieutenant said...

sinz52 said...

...
No real man would try to steal away another man's wife.
...
1. So how are Ann and Larry free to marry each other, remind me?
2. He wasn't going to steal, just borrow.


If you're a married woman, you're spoken for already. My conversation with you will be limited to harmless topics like the weather.
10/8/16, 2:52 PM

Sinz52, I say, without insult, that I had no idea that you were a man.


Furthermore: women who are taken are the best ones to flirt with. I just spent a very pleasant evening out, taking a friend at work to dinner who had passed his securities exams, and invited his friend A. who happened to be there to come too. Both of them just out of college.

She, a peach of a girl, is firmly committed to some 6'6" Balkan looking model type; very well, that liberates me as well as her. She is quite capable of being appreciated by a man. I am a man, and although I am far too old for her I suppose, in fact I am not too old to be appreciated, or even to be dangerous if I chose.

Don't worry, I'm coming to the germane part...Some discussion arose about her height. She is only 5'5" and spoke of high heels. I smiled and said, May I touch you?

She looked at me uncertainly for a moment...smiled, said Yes...

I stepped to her, put an arm about her slim waist and pulled her close...looked into her eyes, at her face...lips perfectly positioned to kiss...if I may say so, I perceived that she found it very agreeable...

I said, You seem just the right height to me.

The evening proceeded merrily...need it be said that I was the perfect gentleman and gracious host?

Now technically, I had asked and received permission to touch her. While my grabbing her crotch at that juncture would have been as likely as my eating plutonium, I would, I think, have been within my rights. She was of course trusting me to do nothing that she would have found disagreeable. An interesting permutation would have been if I seized her waist and drew her to me without asking. I daresay it would have gone about as well.

So I am capable of seeing what Trump describes as a matter of degree. Don Draper did it on Mad Men, after all, and as with everything he did on that show, it was very effective. If you're Tom Jones, women throw their panties at you on stage. Some people have magnetism to a different degree.

Now, I've had women take my hand and place it on their breasts. Women can be forward. It's wonderful. I think women also like it sometimes when men are forward. Likewise spontaneous, edgy, unpredictable.

The notion of making all this deterministic with Antioch style rules? Worth fighting.

mockturtle said...

I shouldn't say the #NeverTrumpers had NO pussies for Trump to grab. In the end he grabbed Ted Cruz's pussy. Even made it purr.

Good one, Meade! Really good!

Rhythm and Balls said...

Am I the only one here that thinks that sexual comments are less damning to a candidate than corruption? Is sexual sin the only kind?

No. Far from it.

But in elitist pundit-world, elitist college bureaucrat-world, and Vatican-on-the-Hudson NYTimes - (where our host gets her cues) - anything sexual counts as the worstest transgression evar! Even if it's just a questionably accurate bout of braggadocio with no actual claim of unwanted anything to back it up.

Oh, they will getcha! Anyone who ever had sex with anyone for any purpose other than having a baby and without a notarized copy of the woman's consent to that act, that night - is fair game.

Stalinism at its finest.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Would people feel very differently if he expressed equivalent sentiments in a more refined or literary manner? Imagine Oscar Wilde saying it.

"When I see a wench like that I reach for my Altoids, I'm on fire to share my embraces. Let me tell you, once a lady is sufficiently sensible of the presence of a fellow such as me, I find that I may touch her as I like."

Better?

Rhythm and Balls said...

So I am capable of seeing what Trump describes as a matter of degree. Don Draper did it on Mad Men, after all, and as with everything he did on that show, it was very effective. If you're Tom Jones, women throw their panties at you on stage. Some people have magnetism to a different degree.

PAPERS! PAPERS! PAPIEREN! Consent must be DOCUMENTED AND NOTARIZED! NO EXCEPTIONS FOR MEN WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY BEING SEXUALLY ADMIRED BY THE WOMEN THEY TOUCH!!! NEVER! SEXUAL CONTACT OF ANY SORT MUST ALWAYS BE PRESUMED WRONG, EVIL OR MAYBE JUST "UNWANTED" IF THAT FAILS OR ELSE WE ARE JUST SODDOM AND GOMMORAH AND ROME X 1,000 AND SHOULD ANTICIPATE OUR DESTRUCTION AT THE HAND OF THE ALMIGHTY IMMEDIATELY!!!

Bad Lieutenant said...

Rhythm and Balls,

"Anyone who ever had sex"

No, R&B. Anyone who is not of the Party who ever had sex. Bill and Hill and Gerry Studds and all of them are just peachy.

So, are you going to fight the power, or not?

HT said...

Just want to point out that the Republican governor of Alabama is not going anywhere.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Imagine Oscar Wilde saying it.

"When I see a wench like that I reach for my Altoids, I'm on fire to share my embraces. Let me tell you, once a lady is sufficiently sensible of the presence of a fellow such as me, I find that I may touch her as I like."

Oscar Wilde wouldn't say that about a woman. He was quite eloquent on the charms of rent boys, though.

FullMoon said...

Rhythm and Balls said... [hush]​[hide comment]



What is it called when a woman (who may or may not be wearing a tight, form-fitting, soft dress) hugs you and takes that opportunity to rub her crotch against yours?


The good old days?
BTW, "Smartest woman in the world" Hillary was to dumb to know that a quick dick licking every a.m. would probably have kept Bill in check. Or, maybe she knew it but was too arrogant to do it

Bad Lieutenant said...

Oscar Wilde wouldn't say that about a woman.

Yeah yeah I think you get me. Some other figure of the period then. Shelley, whoever.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Oscar Wilde.

I stooped to streaming a version of his life as played by Stephen Fry on Amazon. Some shrew known as the 9th Marquess of Queensberry played the father of his youthful lover (played, in turn, by an impetuous and incorrigible Jude Law). The Marquess actually met with Wilde's character for the purposes of assessing his fitness as a lover to his son. (Apparently in barely not still Victorian England, class was still more important even than heterosexuality. But not by much).

Well anyway, the Marquess of that oh-so-manly-named estate ultimately came to the conclusion that, no, Wilde would not do. Perhaps too Bohemian, perhaps too ill-bred. Perhaps homosexuality still wasn't just something to be overlooked if class-based matches could overcome it. But following the argument he had with his son, I remember him calling out in a refined accent the slur that he thought was just too fitting to resist:

Bum-boy!

Darrell said...

Withdrawing is a sexual term. I'm appalled.
I expect Trump to thrust even harder.

mockturtle said...

No coitus interruptus for Trump!

tcrosse said...

Trump's role in this farrago is to be worse than Hillary. A difficult task, but he's up to it. Trump keeping on as he has is Hillary's best chance to win. What a revolting development this is.

dreams said...

The stupid party seems to think they need to convince us that they are the stupid party, we get it.

dreams said...

Bill Clinton wanted to withdraw too but Monica insisted on bringing him to completion. And now she is thinking of voting for Trump because the Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth.

FullMoon said...

Like Bill Clinton said back in the day:

"Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life."

walter said...

O'dell:
"Politics aside, I’m saddened that these comments still exist in our society at all. When I heard the comments yesterday, it was disappointing to hear such objectification of women. The conversation needs to change because no female, no person, should be the subject of such crass comments, whether or not cameras are rolling. Everyone deserves respect no matter the setting or gender. As a woman who has worked very hard to establish her career, and as a mom, I feel I must speak out with the hope that as a society we will always strive to be better."

Clyde said...

"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war." -- Julius Caesar, Act 3, Scene 1
There's your Shakespeare!