That appeared at the NYT yesterday, at the top of the front page, and you can see the time stamp: 3:20 PM.
That caught my eye because of the way the NYT, in an earlier report, blogged here, made Donald Trump seem bad for for saying "I must tell you that just before I got off the plane, a bomb went off in New York and nobody knows exactly what’s going on." The Times followed that by saying that Hillary Clinton "seemed to scold Mr. Trump for his quick assessment. 'I think it’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions,' Mrs. Clinton said." The Times omitted what Hillary said right before that: "I've been briefed about the bombings in New York and New Jersey." All we had were 2 candidates having heard about what happened and calling it a bomb. But the NYT presented it to look as though Trump was impulsive and Hillary was sober and thoughtful.
How little should it take before we jump to impugn others for "making conclusions"? If we're going to be super-sensitive, no one will escape reproach. How was it possible for the NYT to say "No Tie to Global Terrorism Is Seen" less than a day after a bomb explodes with an investigation getting underway?
Meanwhile, this morning, we're getting a new report — "Police Raid New Jersey Home in Search of Manhattan Bomber":
Hours after five pipe bombs were discovered near a train station in Elizabeth, N.J., federal agents and the police raided a home nearby early Monday morning as part of the sweeping search for the person or people responsible for Saturday night’s bombing in Manhattan.It's just a name. Just a place of origin. Remember: It’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions.
The police released a photograph of a 28-year-old man, described as a naturalized citizen of Afghan descent, , [sic] Ahmad Khan Rahami, who is wanted in connection with the attack.
ADDED: It's dangerous to elevate Hillary Clinton for issuing the sober bromide "it’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions," because it makes me want to think of the times when she made a conclusion before she had information. For example: "We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with."
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No. Just ISIS. And it's an organised cell. See Drudge, not the NYT. The NYT is so far in the bag it'll never get out.
It's the old lefty theme that there are only two periods of time: wait until we get all the facts and what difference at this point does it make?
Well, if the punch wasn't landed according to the Marquess of Queensberry rules, it wasn't really a punch was it? So lay off the New York Times, they have a war-mongering harpy to get elected.
Hillary stages a greenscreen campaign appearance in North Carolina and, at least, ABC is in on it (they covered up weak areas with strange graphic pop-ups in weird locations.) WaPo tells you what/how to feel and think about an article in every headline. [Pence Flubs Response To Hillary's Basket of Deplorables Claim) 2016: The year the MSM lost all credibility.
Is was an American Citizen people, so nothing to see here. Get back to worrying about the enemies that Trump will make for us. And Hillary's role in creating ISIS? As has been pointed out, the only question is "What difference does it make at this point?"
"How was it possible for the NYT to say "No Tie to Global Terrorism Is Seen" Because they prefer to report the perceptions of their favorite prog officials. Who didn't "see 'what they didn't want to see (and may or may not turn out to be right). And who, of course, will split hairs, when it turns out to be another "isolated," "lone wolf" Muslim attack.
They just nabbed themselves a Muslim....But no ties to global terrorism.....it was because of a film, or movie, Benghazi ya know...
Amazing how they solve these "events" so fast, and have the names and addresses of the "perpetrators" within hours. That said, do they not realize that Trump just gained more votes? My local "news" was calling the device a "Bomb" last night, after a clearly drugged up Crooked Old Lady was scolding Trump for "jumping to conclusions about calling it a "bombing""?
Most likely this is a disaffected "Muslim youth" crime that was instigated by the FBI itself--- i.e a false flag, to distract from the implosion of the Crooked Old Lady's health and campaign.
The Times omitted what Hillary said right before that: "I've been briefed about the bombings in New York and New Jersey."
I don't want to jump to conclusions, and maybe it's just the the LSD in my Coke talking, but it's as if the NYT has morphed into Candy Crowley.
It's dangerous to elevate Hillary Clinton for issuing the sober bromide "it’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions," because it makes me want to think of the times when she made a conclusion before she had information.
It makes me think of the great efforts she's gone to to prevent us from having information about her.
The Washington Post completely lost credibility with me when they quoted Sarah Palin, left out a few words mid sentence in order to make the quote seem ridiculous, but put in no ellipses to indicate missing words from the quote. I actually wrote the public editor on that one and got a response, she was disgusted. But guess what? She was ignored, and they marched on with their politics of personal destruction. The same dynamic goes on at the New York Times, but I had always thought they were a touch more careful than the joke of a paper down in DC. It's obvious they see getting Hillary elected as more important than whatever values journalists are said to revere.
If people don't want to jump to conclusions, don't jump to any conclusions. "No international tie to terrorism is seen" is just as much making a leap as "this looks like Isis".
It's just that we've been conditioned under Obama to always put the idea that it wasn't Islamic Inspired Terrorism *out* of our mind first. And that's because it serves his political purpose.
Is Obama going to speak to the General Assembly this week? Is he going to reiterate that the future does not belong to those who would slander the Prophet of Islam?
"My local "news" was calling the device a "Bomb" last night, after a clearly drugged up Crooked Old Lady was scolding Trump for "jumping to conclusions about calling it a "bombing""?"
Yeah, she sure looked doped up to me.
"No international tie to terrorism is seen"
As believable as "Islam is a religion of peace"
Read Robert Spencer for the real story about jihad.
Imagine the comic mileage and honest Saturday Night Live could get out of Hillary. But their politics are the most important thing. That's how they get these jobs, having the right politics, and none of them want to head back to Downer's Grove, or Bakersfield, or wherever they are from with skills that will maybe get them a job as night manager at McDonald's, if they can't do TV.
Yes, the New York Times favors Hillary Clinton, but no, we can't hold that against them. Shouldn't one expect the Gray Lady to identify with the gray lady?
"No international tie to terrorism is seen"
Apparently they looked for the ties to terrorism like they looked for evidence that Obama and Hillary "founded ISIS." There were no papers on file in any official repository declaring the relationship so it doesn't exist!
"Original Mike said...
"My local "news" was calling the device a "Bomb" last night, after a clearly drugged up Crooked Old Lady was scolding Trump for "jumping to conclusions about calling it a "bombing""?"
Yeah, she sure looked doped up to me."
Quit jumping to conclusions. There's a good chance she was simply drunk.
If she does blame a video, look for her to look to imprison whoever made the film as a sop to ISIS, and look for ISIS to see that as a sign that their tactics are working.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, and maybe it's just the the LSD in my Coke talking, but it's as if the NYT has morphed into Candy Crowley.
More like Baghdad Bob.
There are now daily terror acts, from stabbings to gang rapes, in Europe. There may be time to turn the tide but they clearly lack the political will. Europe will become Eurabia soon. I would say visit now while you can but it's really too late. These Muzzies must be laughing their asses off.
The question is are we next.
I, for one, prefer her denunciation of half the country as part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, for their daring to decry the sexual harassment Bill Clinton repeatedly performed upon women other than his wife.
See, she has hated half the country since the mid-1990s. The other half, her supporters, she actually hates more, for their support of her corrupt, lying, incompetent self.
"It's dangerous to elevate Hillary Clinton for issuing the sober bromide "it’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions," because it makes me want to think of the times when she made a conclusion before she had information." You and half a dozen other people. It's not dangerous at all. It furthers the narrative that Hill is calm, steady, and experienced, as opposed to that unsteady, shoot-from-the-hip crazy guy. All they have to do is turn a small number of moderate, upper-middle class GOPers into I-couldn't -possibly-vote-for-him NeverTrumpers in VA, NC, etc. Peel off a few percent of the white vote, and she's home free.
The thing is, this makes Hillary and DeBlasio look like BAD leaders. Part of being a decision-maker is being able to spot patterns and draw inferences that later turn out to be true.
"Pressure cooker bomb on a busy street on a day of terrorist attacks around the country"= Probably Islamic terrorism.
And if you say probably terrorism and later someone just accidentally left their lentils cooking too long....with high explosives..... well, people will say it was a mistake anyone could have made. If you say "Nope! Definitely NOT TERRORISM! Nothing to see here folks! Probably just a GOPer with a grudge against fine dining!!!" and it turns out to be Islamic terror, you look like an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything.
We're in the early stages of WW3, and the primaries send us a pair of buffoons-- we're doomed.
(You know if Jim Webb was still in, the Dems would be preparing for a landslide. But no, it had to be the annointed one.)
Profiling works, is the mathematical fact. People, even non-mathematicians, notice that.
PC forbids you from saying what is obvious to you, if it's in a forbidden thought realm.
Hillary's in that zone.
Hillary can continue her green screen campaign now -- it's over, she lost. Importing hundreds of thousands of Muslims isn't going to play in Peoria in six weeks.
From another paper's comments:
"So they knew it was a terrorist bombing from the moment it happened, and their first reaction was to attack Trump for calling it a bombing after he was briefed it was a bombing and called it a bombing, and then CNN edited out HIllary called it a bombing so it would support their portrayal of Trump's rush to judgment, despite the fact that even if he had, he was correct?
Pravda is more believable than our gov't and our media. That's not admiring Russia, Putin, et al, just noting how bad it is here."
Importing hundreds of thousands of Muslims isn't going to play in Peoria in six weeks.
Her pledge--a couple of weeks ago--was one million Syrian refugees brought in at taxpayer's expense by the end of her first term.
I cannot find the amount of time elapsed between Trump and Clinton remarks.
Anyone?
I'm guessing Ahmad is ANOTHER Presbyterian Crusader riding his high-horse into NYC to give those God-less heathens a scare!
Yeah, yeah, NYT and WaPo are in the tank, and they're bending facts.
But why? What motivates them? Do Chris Cillizza and Paul Krugman think this is going to get them Lincoln Bedroom visits?
Money? Power? Fame?
More than anything else, probably the satisfaction of winning an ideological war. This is what people "fight" for politically, and "fight" is a favorite word on the left. They don't want the poor uplifted, they don't necessarily need money (though that would be nice), and they don't care about crime and the downtrodden. They want a place in history. They want to be the Beatles.
These damn Lutherans. Why can't we just deport them all back to Scandinavistan?
John Henry
Ever notice how any time there is an attack the suspects are always named Sven or Ole?
John Henry
Time between remarks? Morning to afternoon on Saturday. The MSM was ignoring the bomb at the Marine Fun Run all day, until the Chelsea bomb went off.
It's just another immigrant from Elizabeth, New Jersey who was good at dancing on the roof when the infidels were slaughtered in Manhattan who has graduated to slaughtering his own infidels in Manhattan. Death goes on.
A million? Sounds like a great commercial for Trump!
A rather stunning discovery has been made by a researcher named Katica who uncovered a July 24th 2014 Reddit thread started by Platte River Network executive Paul Combetta who -at the time- was requesting technical advice on how to strip a “VIP (VERY VIP)” email address from archives stored on a server he has “full access to“.BACKSTORY – Last week Paul Combetta plead the fifth and refused to answer questions before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. According to Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, the following email exchange occurred between Combetta and another undisclosed Platte River Network staff member back
LO FUCKING L. I am sure the New York Times will be all over this!
“Wondering how we can sneak an email in now, after the fact, asking them [the Clinton camp] when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records. Starting to think this whole thing is really covering up some shady shit. I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups then we can go public with our statement saying we’ve had the backup since day one when we were told to trim to 30 days would make us look a whole lot better.” - Hillary's email tech who has been taking the fifth.
And Obama says silent as headlined on Drudge. The lamest of ducks.
Visit New York. The Paris of the East Coast.
Are you ready to call the NYTimes what it is yet, a democrat media outlet?
Since the liberals in power have lost the ability to prevent anything, and have allowed some unknown quantity of infiltration, the only thing they can do is double down and try and convince the public these acts are not terrorism; especially now with 50 days left in the election cycle.
Any narrative they can't control or spin helps Trump. We can pick or fate. Jerusalem and Tel Aviv didn't have much choice. Paris, Brussels, and Cologne did, and we see what has happened to them.
And now there are stabbings in the name of Allah in Lake Wobegon, Minnesota. If you think it can't happen at a train station or a mall near you, you're kidding yourself.
Back to Althouse's safe space - Benghazi.
Interestingly, there is a self-referential claim that in the ancient Domari language 'Benghazi' means 'the place where witches are hunted'. This is striking, etymologically, given Colin Powell's recent usage of the word.
it's as if the NYT has morphed into Candy Crowley.
This is clearly false as morphing means it would have to change into Crowley from something not Crowley. Instead the NYT has always been Crowley (and worse).
And here AReasonableMan is calling Benghazi a safe space.
The irony! It burns!
Perhaps Benghazi should come with a trigger warning. Oy vey.
Too bad Garrison Keillor retired. He could have added a new dynamic to the "News From Lake Wobegon". Just think of the additional stories and plot twists if a group of Somalis were settled by St. Paul liberals just outside of town.
There could be a thwarted bombing at Our Lady of Perpetual Responsibility. Pork would be banned from being served at The Moonlight Supper Club, and alcohol at the Sidetrack Tap.
He could even have a story where the Somalis refugees get pissed and trash the Lutheran Church because they think the tuna hot dish they were served at a welcome to town event sucked so bad it was insulting.
The town could be split as a debate arises to tear down the Statue of the Unknown Norwegian.
Oh, and the grab ass sexual assaults. That could just be and ongoing fall back plot.
The storylines are endless.
Sexual assaults are our strength.
The "million refugee" figure includes chain immigration after they are given their green cards.
These bombings didn't kill anyone. Why is this even a story?......Hate facts should be reported on sparingly if at all. They tend to be divisive and not inclusive. This kind of story just plays into Trump's hands, and the best thing to do is completely ignore it........ Newspapers should, instead, utilize more of their limited time and resources into investigating the shady dealings of the Trump Foundation. Those kind of stories are inclusive and make us better Americans.
Althouse wrote -
"How little should it take before we jump to impugn others for "making conclusions"?"
Because it worked the first time? I just remembered that this is not the first time the dems and media pinned the jumping to conclusions complaint on a Republican candidate. And it's ironic that 9/11/12 came up. Didn't they slam Romney for making supposedly premature comments during 9/11/12?
Yeah. Romney said Benghazi and Egypt were al Qaeda attacks, when Obama and Hillary were calling them grass-roots outrage at the YouTube video. We all know that Romney made a fool of himself by rushing to judgment.
@William,
These bombings didn't kill anyone. Why is this even a story?......Hate facts should be reported on sparingly if at all. They tend to be divisive and not inclusive. This kind of story just plays into Trump's hands, and the best thing to do is completely ignore it...
I know your paragraph above is meant ironically, as you mean to paint the thought processes of the NYTs staff & readership, & not your own.
The problem that the NYTs has with this story is that, with these bombs placed in suburban Jersey & the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, these bombers are trying to kill THEIR READERSHIP, DAMMIT! That's why, try as everyone might want to bury this story as to not help the Trumpster, it won't stay in the grave.
Funny, how even the most PC of liberals gets all miffy when someone tries to shred him/her & his/her friends, family, & 'hood with dumpster shrapnel.
It must be comforting to the NYT to believe that while the rest of the country is moving on, their readers remain stupid enough to share their ignorance of Islam, and worse, to believe the new Democrat shibboleth that people killed by "local" Islamic terrorists are less dead than those killed by "global" Islamic terrorists.
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
- George Orwell, "1984"
- Progressive mediaswine 2016
How can it be global unless the bombs were on every square hectare of the globe? It was just isolated workplace violence.
Well played Ms. Althouse on the Benghazi video reference.
But the Los Angeles Times front page story this morning said that these various incidents--bombs/attempted bombs/knifings in Minnesota were seemingly unconnected, random and "amateurish". Nothing to see here---we're simply playing the jayvee team. It's always such a comfort to have a load of codswallop delivered to my breakfast table each morning--and the LA Times and its kuddly klan of kid klown "reporters" gets it done. Folks are starting to figure that out, and the current daily editions of the Times aren't much bigger than a throwaway penny shopper magazine. Time to call and cancel my subscription again. Maybe they will pay me to take the paper.
It will be interesting to know the source of the explosives used in the devices.
Hopefully, that person will be processed into the prison system as well (if he survives).
Interestingly, there is a self-referential claim that in the ancient Domari language 'Benghazi' means 'the place where witches are hunted'. - ARM
So it's not true, what Althouse said then, but fantastical ravings intended to accuse an innocent woman? Is that your point? That Clinton didn't blame the assault on a video? That the filmmaker was not put in jail for asserting what he thought, mistakenly, it seems in this administration, were his first amendment rights?
This same lady who wants to appoint justices to further clip the wings of the First Amendment by making overturning the Citizens United ruling, about a film critical of her, BTW? This is all witch hunting?
The tragedy is that now the xenophobes are thinking self defense thoughts, while the 100% innocent Pakistani Muslims are now being portrayed as Crazy Jihadists, which in turn forces them join ISIS and kill infidels for allah.
"Down with the First Amendment, up with the Fifth!"
A possible Hillary bumper sticker.
It's amateur by morons. What they have in common is a Muslim culture, a religion for tribal living. Kill the other guy and take his stuff.
The more Muslims you let in, the more stable the culture in the US plus the more acting-on-it young males you get.
Second generation reversion is pretty common because the culture encourages.
So don't let Muslims in.
An organized plot would be a milder threat. You could end it by interdiction.
This is a culture taking root here.
Notice the blackout in the national news about hundreds of sexual assaults and gang rapes that occurred at a single event in Cologne this year, tied to "immigrants" You could be forgiven for thinking, by the way the news outlets refused to report them, that Bill Clinton was behind them.
traditionalguy said...
The tragedy is that now the xenophobes are thinking self defense thoughts, while the 100% innocent Pakistani Muslims are now being portrayed as Crazy Jihadists, which in turn forces them join ISIS and kill infidels for allah.
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Yeah...once again, It's All Our Fault.
Those peaceful Pakis "prove" to us their peacefulness by...joining Isis!
Snort!
Somali community in Minn. fears
backlash after stabbing suspect ID’d
Actual headline from the AP
They should get out more, they would have heard the gem from one of Tim Blair's commenters that has lived for years and years, always fresh:
"Muslim community fears backlash from tomorrows bombing."
After all, the first response of the Somali community should not be to try to root out potential violence from their members, but to become hyper aware of dirty looks that they might get!
"The thing is, this makes Hillary and DeBlasio look like BAD leaders." How about BAD people?
"a naturalized citizen of Afghan descent, , [sic] Ahmad Khan Rahami". Huh. I kind of guessed that the perpetrators might turn out to be Muslim. Good guess, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference
Islam is, by design, a global terrorist organization. And the asshole certainly has ties to Islam.
We got lucky with this guy. Apparently he's inept and stupid. There will be others, and they will have more proficiency. On a technical level it's not that difficult to kill random strangers. The tricky part is devising a set of moral beliefs that allows you to kill random strangers......I just don't understand the upside of importing people who want to kill us.
Example number xxxxxxx (I quit counting) why the NYT has earned my distrust.
"...the times when she made a conclusion before she had information."
She knew the truth of the Benghazi attack from the beginning.
It's dangerous to elevate Hillary Clinton for issuing the sober bromide...
Are you absolutely sure, after watching the video, that she was sober?
She knew the truth of the Benghazi attack from the beginning.
Indeed she did and had already formulated the lie that the State Department would try to spin.
rhhardin said: Profiling works, is the mathematical fact. People, even non-mathematicians, notice that.
Insurance companies use profiling all the time. Of course, they politely call it, "risk predictive modeling".
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