June 9, 2016

"I think this Barack Obama campaigning for Hillary is cover. She's going to get indicted."

"He knows she's going to get indicted. He'll be able to say, 'I didn't know. Why would I be campaigning for her?'"

Said Meade just now.

Here's the very nicely done video for Hillary that Obama just put out today:



ADDED: Does Drudge agree with Meade?



The red headline goes to The Weekly Standard: "WH Denies Endorsement Will Intimidate FBI Investigators/Obama meets privately with Loretta Lynch."

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FleetUSA said...

She may have the goods on his background, etc which will prevent him from letting the indictment happening

Patrick said...

She will not be indicted.

That is different, of course, than saying she should not be.

Fernandinande said...

Billary should hire Marylin Bartlett as her lawyer.

David Begley said...

Meade is absolutely right.

One reason Obama will allow the indictment is so he can set up an Obama Family Foundation and have the former President shake down field to himself. Lots of work to do with foreign countries, doncha' know.

B said...

So Obama would rather look like a fool and a poor judge of character? Ryan is endorsing a racist. Obama is endorsing a criminal.

Jim said...

The so called justice system is so corrupt, so political, that hillary will never be indicted. Money and power mean you never have to answer for your crimes.

john said...

I wish.

I would like a second opinion.

I would like to see Meade's credentials.

John Tuffnell said...

I was driving and heard the endorsement on the radio. It sounded insincere, esp the part where Obama said Hillary was "perhaps the most qualified person ever to be nominated" or something to that effect. It sounded like he knew it was BS but said it anyway. It made me laugh.

Maybe he really believes that but it was unconvincing and said without conviction, so to speak, via radio.

Virgil Hilts said...

Sounds like E Klein should hurry up with his sequel to Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas. For those of us who could not finish the book, Buzzfeed has a summary of some of the juiciest bits. https://www.buzzfeed.com/katherinemiller/bloooood-feuuuuuud?utm_term=.prJNod9n1#.erJB8MyYA
If the stuff in the book is even 40% accurate, then I could see BO throwing HC to the wolves (especially if VJ and MO really dislike Hillary as much as the book suggests and order BO to do it). The AJ may do what BO tells her to, but MO and VJ seem to have control over BO.

Gusty Winds said...

She will not be indicted.

Taking foreign donations through the Clinton Foundation, handing out favorable treatment to those donors, lining the personal Clinton bank accounts, and handling/hiding it on the bathroom server was done under Obama's watch.

She makes him look like a fool. It was Obama's State Department. He has to cover for her.

But Trump will do everything he can to blow that cover. Here...we...go...

Let's hope Trumps upcoming Clinton Corruption speech doesn't disappoint.

eric said...

She is not going to be indicted. No way. Obama has nothing in about seven months. He wants his finger in the pie and Hillary is going to give him a huge helping.

Bob Boyd said...

Hillary can take too many people down with her.

Brando said...

She's not going to be indicted. Why would Obama endorse her if he knows she'll be indicted when he could just as easily sit back and watch her twist in the wind? It'll make him look foolish to back a horse that has to jump out of the race, and does him no good. If he knows either way (and I don't know that he does, he may be walling himself off from this to avoid any involvement) then he knows there's no indictment.

shiloh said...

Is this the same Meade who predicted Obama would lose the 2012 election 46 to 52 !!!

Why yes, yes it is/was ...

btw, it's always good to get your prediction out of the way a year and a half before the election especially when one is so knowledgeable re: politics.

Keep hope alive!

MaxedOutMama said...

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Hillary will be indicted. The president has already come out and said that there was nothing in it. The fix is clearly in.

However, once the FBI investigation is formally closed, I expect that some Republicans in Congress may launch their own, and it will not be as sympathetic. Questions such as "how were the work-related emails selected" will be permitted. That sort of thing.

zipity said...

That's one take. The other is that the FIX is IN. Obama met with Loretta Lynch, with no subject disclosed.

Never underestimate the depraved, illegal depths that Democrats will go to while trying to keep their grip on power...

Meade said...

"ADDED: Does Drudge agree with Meade?"

Drudge steals all his best political insights from me. That's fine. You can all just call me "Chauncey Gardiner."

Brando said...

As to whether she'll be indicted (irrespective of Obama's endorsement) I'm not sure what to make of the length of time the DOJ has been sitting on this. Does a longer delay make an indictment less likely?

shiloh said...

Not to worry Althouse cons as it's the Trey Gowdy Benghazi final committee report probably coming out just before the Dem convention that will surely sink Hillary's ship.

Keep hope alive!

The Bergall said...

Next headline:

HILLARY CLINTON VIOLATED THE LAW, BUT COMMITTED NO CRIME.

Meade said...

"Is this the same Meade who predicted Obama would lose the 2012 election 46 to 52 !!!"

The important thing is I got the "Reelect Governor Walker" part right.

Twice!

Sydney said...

I hope Meade is right, but I no longer have enough confidence in our justice system to believe he is.

mezzrow said...

Drudge steals all his best political insights from me. That's fine. You can all just call me "Chauncey Gardiner."

You wait right here. I'll go get Warren!

veni vidi vici said...

I just want to weigh in with a standard objection to the cloying use of "this journey" to self-describe the Obama administration.

What a putz, and what a constituency of candy-assed Nancy-boys that swoon to that sort of thing. Whither America?

shiloh said...

Meade, as long as you have something to hang your hat on. Congrats!

>

btw, Walker received 1,128k votes in 2010 and 1,259k in 2014 whereas

Obama received 1,677k votes in 2008 and 1,620k in 2012.

The difference between low turnout mid-terms and high turn-out general elections.

Indeed, Obama is more popular than Walker in WI.

>

Refresh my memory, didn't Walker run for president?

Birkel said...

Occam called. He wants his flippin' razor back.

What the hell is wrong with the logic of Meadhouse?

Achilles said...

David Begley said...

"One reason Obama will allow the indictment is so he can set up an Obama Family Foundation and have the former President shake down field to himself. Lots of work to do with foreign countries, doncha' know."

No. Clinton has too much dirt on Obama. And Clinton had to get Obama's approval to change a lot of the things the foreign countries/governments bought from her. Obama will be in jail with Hillary if she spills the beans on him.

I am betting she told Obama she would apply for immunity in the investigation and testify against Obama if she is indicted. Obama would have to pardon everyone in the administration. It would be the biggest shitshow ever.

Rusty said...

Shiloh soumds a bit shrill. Don't you think?

Clayton Hennesey said...

There may be something to Meade's suspicion. Comey will surely recommend. Lynch will look to Obama. Consider Obama's legacy

- if he allows indictment to be blocked or sandbagged

- if he allows the justice system to proceed unimpeded

What he has done as President cannot be altered by whomever follows him - he did it, no one else, up to and including Hillary's case, however he decides. On the other hand, there's no real case to be made that the Democrats will be better off with Hillary than with a less dynastic, less entitled-feeling alternative. Sanders is glaring proof of just how many in her own party despise her.

Obama voluntarily adding the suspicion of interference in a major national security case involving the highest of his Cabinet members to his legacy seems all downside, no upside. He's taken his lumps already. Why would he volunteer to assume hers as well? He's simply not that altruistic.

FullMoon said...

Bob Boyd said... ]

Hillary can take too many people down with her.


Common mis conception. Few would listen and less would believe her. Obama's gang and influence with the media is much more powerful than Clinton.

Jesse Jackson (remember him?) dissed Obama. In retaliation, his son is doing time now, and Jesse long gone.

I Callahan said...

He would NEVER have endorsed her if he thought she'd be indicted. The man is as venal as one can be, and something like this would leave a mark on his record.

I am confused why anyone would think this to be the case.

hombre said...

She's got the goods on Obama. These people are so shameless that even if by some miracle she is indicted, he will pardon her: "She made a mistake, but there isn't a smidgen of evidence that she had criminal intent.

Alternatively, Joe the Dim and Fauxcahontas will clean Trump's clock.

shiloh said...

Althouse, some your blogger's hatred/obsession re: Obama and Hillary may be driving them off the deep end. Please, tread lightly!

Saint Croix said...

"I think this Barack Obama campaigning for Hillary is cover. She's going to get indicted."

I think Meade nailed it.

If it's Donnie vs. Bernie...

America will freak out.

And instead of Democrats flocking to the Green party, many of Hillary's voters might be flocking to the Libertarian party. Because Gary Johnson would be the last moderate standing.

And I say "moderate" because he's socially liberal and economically conservative.

It will be awesome hearing somebody say, "I am pro-choice and I think Roe v. Wade should be overruled." And talking about the importance of the right to vote, and how the unelected Supreme Court has seized too much authority in our society.

Roughcoat said...

Nope. She won't be indicted. Nothing bad ever happens to the Clintons. For as long as they both shall live nothing bad will happen to them.

But then they'll die and go to hell.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Our government is too corrupt to indict a Democrat Presidential nominee. It's not going to happen. Laws don't apply to them. They will carry Hillary's slimy, stinking, bloated carcass across the finish line no matter what it takes.

shiloh said...

"But then they'll die and go to hell."

But getting there is half the fun!

Saint Croix said...

The head of the FBI is a Republican.

Ya'll know that, right?

James Pawlak said...

If, and only if, the AG refuses to make an aggressive "Presentment" to a Grand Jury, does the FBI's director have teh courage to release the investigation directly to the People and The Congress.

Miriam said...

She's not going to get indicted. Sorry folks. IF it were to be Bernie, that would be great, but it won't be because this hope of an indictment is simply wishful thinking. First it was Benghazi, now this. Oh hell, maybe a comet will hit the earth and there won't be an election at all. Keep hope alive, indeed.

Hagar said...

And Bernie Sanders has been spoken to and seems to have gotten the message.

Some of his kids may feel a bit "berned" about that.

David Begley said...

Achilles

One problem with your theory (which is a reasonable theory). Where's Barack's money?

Saint Croix said...

Read that bio. Obama selected this guy to head the FBI. He respects him.

In May 2007, Comey testified before both the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, and the House Judiciary subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law on the U.S. Attorney dismissal scandal. His testimony contradicted that of former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who said the firings had been due to poor performance on the part of some of the dismissed prosecutors. Comey stressed that the Justice Department had to be perceived as nonpartisan and nonpolitical in order to function.

"The Department of Justice, in my view, is run by political appointees of the President. The U.S. attorneys are political appointees of the President. But once they take those jobs and run this institution, it's very important in my view for that institution to be another in American life, that—because my people had to stand up before juries of all stripes, talk to sheriffs of all stripes, judges of all stripes. They had to be seen as the good guys, and not as either this administration or that administration."


Apparently they were people in the White House who wanted this guy considered for Souter's seat. That would have been a hell of a thing, nominating a Republican for the Supreme Court. People on the left quashed that, of course.

But if this guy says, "we're indicting Hillary Clinton," that carries weight with Obama.

madAsHell said...

Wasn't an Obama endorsement the kiss of death during the mid-term election?

Larry J said...

"Equal justice under the law" is one of the pretty lies we like to tell ourselves. It never has been true, of course, but it sure sounds nce. Hillary won't be indicted, and that is just one more step towards us becomng a banana republc.

Static Ping said...

Not optimistic.

Unknown said...

Love the endless conspiracy theories. Obama wouldn't back Hillary to the hilt if Hillary is going to be indicted.

The Dems want to start campaigning big time asap while the Repubs are still in disarray. These weeks matter especially after the Trump disasters of the past week.

madAsHell said...

Moments after Obama's endorsement, Josh Earnest slipped, and referred to Hillary's problem as a criminal investigation. Hey, this might get interesting!!

Saint Croix said...

I don't think there's ever been anybody so qualified to hold this office.

Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

PB said...

Why would Obama even make an endorsement at this stage if he didn't have full intention of letting Hillary run? If the FBI recommends an indictment and if Lynch decides to proceed, he'd look like such a fool (that even he in his narcissistic fog could appreciate).

I think it's more likely that the FBI recommends an indictment and Lynch claims that it'll take 6-8 months to review the case before making a decision. When this happens, Obama will declare this all old news and merely few violated policies, so to get this behind us, he'll issue a blanket pardon and the FBI materials will be sealed for 25 years. Any leaks from the FBI will be immediately and vigorously pursued in addition to unleashing the full force of gangster government on FBI agents (IRS, etc.).

PB said...

Ladies and gentlemen, the Criminal in Chief and the First Rapist (cue music)!

Hagar said...

Since all of you are so pessimistic, I will still hold out hope.

Surely some "competent" intelligence agency from somewhere in the world will arrange to post those 35,000 "private" e-mails she thought she had deleted from her hard-drive on the internet?

David Begley said...

Biden is going to be the nominee. See below.

"Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday joined the massive public response to a Stanford rape case, penning an open letter to the survivor in which he praised her courage for speaking publicly against her attacker and the way she was treated by the justice system."

Fabi said...

Mutually Assured Destruction ring a bell?

DAN said...

Don't women grind their teeth when a man says things like, "She's whip smart!" and "...the most qualified nominee ever!" How is that different from calling a black person "articulate" or, per Joe Biden, "clean"? I even think "I'm with her!" is insulting. If a dwarf ran for office, would we say, "If he needs something off the top shelf, I'm here to help..."?

walter said...

The best way to cover is to align with them?
He also met with Hillary some time ago. Likely made "a great deal"

amielalune said...


I seem to remember talk of an 'Obama curse." It included college basketball but also people running for office, as I recall. There was a long string of events where he kept backing the losers. Is that over, does anyone know? Has he backed any winners lately? If not, then it's great that he's endorsing her.

Michael K said...

I think the Obama endorsement is the first step.

The second is to say he was shocked when he read about the FBI investigation in the newspapers.

He had no idea it was this bad when he endorsed her.

The proof that he had no plan to cut her legs off was the endorsement.
However, given that he ran the most ethical administration in history, he just can't ignore this and will have to go along with AG Lynch and ask Hillary to step down.

Joe Biden will just happen to have researched the issue of getting on all 50 ballots and has signs already printed up.

Biden/ Warren 2016!

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Naaah, she won't be indicted. She is a Democrat.
President Clinton.

walter said...

I really don't see how he benefits by acting "surprised".
The pressure would be on to pardon, if he wants to please or prove loyalty.

MayBee said...

It's funny the way Obama is so obviously reading that. That line from the Hillary people or she's the most qualified ever is also hilarious. I can't believe they're pushing that. More qualified than George Washington? More qualified than Thomas Jefferson? More qualified than John Adams? Or Madison? More qualified than Abraham Lincoln? More qualified than mitt Romney? More qualified than Bill Clinton? It's so absurd.

Achilles said...

David Begley said...
"Achilles

One problem with your theory (which is a reasonable theory). Where's Barack's money?"

Obama is above money. He knows he will be given everything he wants after he is out. He is not even particularly interested in it. He is interested in power and influence. He will live in mansions and be jetted all over the world to all the big conferences and all the big lib shindigs. Honestly I see him taking the top spot at the UN. He has no need for money.

cubanbob said...

Obama has no choice but to endorse her. Not only was she his SoS she is also the party's nominee.

walter said...

"I do think, at a certain point you've made enough money"

Clayton Hennesey said...

Again, what could Obama, the First Black President, owe the first female nominee under multiple criminal investigations who is only doing as well as she is because he's not stomping her again this time around? This is a man who greets each day with a deep, heartfelt sneer of irony. Endorsing Hillary against the background of her investigations probably sends a tingle of delicious absurdity up his leg.

Achilles said...

Michael K said...

"Joe Biden will just happen to have researched the issue of getting on all 50 ballots and has signs already printed up.

Biden/ Warren 2016!"

So Obama had a nice meeting with Bernie yesterday. Bernie hasn't dropped out. What do you think it will take to get Bernie out? Obama is too in the tank for the big banks. Bernie honestly wants to go after them unlike Warren or Biden.

If Bernie drops out of the race he is on board. If he holds out he wants to be the nominee. It is up to Bernie at this point.

Rhythm and Balls said...

You guys really do see a conspiracy in everything, don't you.

How much paranoia does that require?

Bruce Hayden said...

I agree - no indictment. But I don't think that his AG can prevent a criminal referral from the FBI. The director of the FBI has a ten year term, and is a straight shooting Republican. It was set up this way for a reason - to insulate the FBI from politics. Obama might be able to fire Dr Comey. It would be unlikely, and would depend on his innate power as President overriding specific statutes. But as likely would be fr the Director to resign, and along with him would probably go his to deputies. And he would immediately be called before Cngress to explain why, which would inevitably get to the evidence and attempts by the AG to ignore it. Which may mean voting out articles of impeachment for the AG. Plus, the FBI's evidence as page 1 news. Not pretty, and it would look exactly like what it was - ignoring justice for political reasons.

So, I expect a criminal referral from the FBI - but I don't expect an indictment. I think it more likely that Lynch runs out the clock than actually turns down the indictment. This would be the least risky politically. She has her marching orders now - no indictment. Then a nice pardon after the election, probably for all involved. And maybe for the other scandals too (Fast and Furious, IRS, etc)

Owen said...

What's the over/under in Vegas on this?

Bruce Hayden said...

The ther alternative is that after the criminal referral drops, Obama forces Hillary out (for ostensibly health reasons), and then Biden gets the nomination, and she gets a pardon. And that is Obama's leverage - either stay in and get indicted or get out and get pardoned. So far, she seems to be in extreme denial about how bad it probably is, and will get. The further she goes,the more out of touch she will look when the criminal referral drops.

Why do I think there will be a criminal referral? Because the FBI routinely sends people to jail for far, far, less. And this may be one of the most egregious breaches of our national security in a couple of generations. And it was not the least bit inadvertent or accidental. Hillary didn't want her email subject to FOIA and Congressional oversight, so instead gave access to it to some of our worst enemies. We are potentially talking > 30,000 counts of violating federal records laws, and > 2,000 counts of mishandling national security information. We aren't talking Gen Petraeus mishandling his personal diary, but thousands times that. What does it say to the millions of loyal Americans who have had security clearances over the last 60 years, and did the right thing by protecting national security information, instead of making it easily accessible to our enemies? And to all those who have lost careers or gone to jail for a single lapse (and not the > 30,000 that Hillary did)?

AprilApple said...

@David Begley

"One reason Obama will allow the indictment is so he can set up an Obama Family Foundation and have the former President shake down field to himself. Lots of work to do with foreign countries, doncha' know."

BOOM.

Obama wants a Clinton Foundation too. Bigger, better shake down machine.

Clyde said...

"Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full."

Clyde said...

I don't expect to see an indictment from Obama's Just-Us Department.

Big Mike said...

That pretty much summarizes Barack Obama's entire term: he tells people what he wants, he demands that they give it to him, and he throws a tantrum when he doesn't get it. He hasn't reached that third stage with Hillary Clinton, but he will. He will.

buwaya said...

"You guys really do see a conspiracy in everything, don't you. "

Yes, of course.

"How much paranoia does that require?"

Every bit of experience adds to the paranoia. After a while, having seen so much sausage being made, everything looks like sausage.

AprilApple said...

I think the opposite. Obama wants Hillary to be his successor and will do everything he can to protect her from criminal prosecution. This was a shot out to Comey and the FBI. They may recommend criminal charges - but Obama will protect her. Laws? laws are for the little peepol.

AprilApple said...

Balls - have you been sucked into the Hillary vortex of lies and universal pivot?

buwaya said...

"The director of the FBI has a ten year term, and is a straight shooting Republican. '

Is he? No quibble about being Republican, but "straight shooting"?

"Obama selected this guy to head the FBI. He respects him."

Obama may own him.

Clayton Hennesey said...

So far, she seems to be in extreme denial about how bad it probably is, and will get.

I might call it pathological, similar to her lying - she just does it. Nor is it possible to make the scope of her activities simply vanish, as if in some magic trick disappearing an elephant. Too much has been documented, then distributed, to too many people across too many levels of society. Too many people who don't like her already have a majority of the same facts the FBI does at their fingertips, ordinary voters.

Imagine the current response to the Stanford sexual assault verdict wreaked instead politically by nearly half the population against Washington, DC. And it would not merely be confined to the email case. Once loosed, it would sweep up into its resonance the IRS/Lerner/Koskinen mess, and every other still unrighted wrong.

Imagine the Ferguson, MO, riots wrought by several united layers of social and political classes with far more resources, impulse control, and direction than to merely torch a CVS or loot a TV.

Indicting Hillary might loose a tempest. Not indicting Hillary would uncork the Yellowstone caldera. Obama may be many things. Stupid in not among them.

Lance said...

"But if this guy says, "we're indicting Hillary Clinton," that carries weight with Obama."

The President supposedly respected Gates and Petraeus as well. Just sayin'.

narciso said...

and Comey, was the one who unleashed Patrick Fitzgerald on the White House, after Armitage had admitted he had leaked to Judith Miller,

Meade said...

"You guys really do see a conspiracy in everything, don't you.
How much paranoia does that require?"

Paranoia suggests irrational fear and anxiety. But we are talking about the Clintons... back in the White House... for 4 to 8 more years. There is nothing irrational about fearing that. On the contrary, in fact, shouldn't you Clinton supporters consider getting mental health check-ups yourselves? You could be suffering from something akin to Battered Woman Syndrome.

Consider the factors of your abusive relationship with the Clintons (and their Democrat cronies):

1.You worry that you might have no way to support yourself or your children if you leave the Clintons.
2. Perhaps you come from a background of abuse and you are conditioned to look for the good in Hillary just as she had to find the good in Bill.
3.You truly believe Hillary wants to help you. It’s a kind of "rescue syndrome." You remember when you fell in love with the Clintons, back in the 90's, and you believe you can get back to "the way we were."
5. You likely have low self-esteem. You believe you're only getting what you deserve.
6. You also might fear that if you reject the Clintons, it will only heighten the abuse.

Please consider talking over your situation with a trained mental health professional. Please, I implore you. For your own life and the lives of your loved ones. Please.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Balls - have you been sucked into the Hillary vortex of lies and universal pivot?

Hillary's a horrible candidate. I won't be voting for her... my conscience won't allow it. That doesn't mean I'll vote for Playground King Con Man Trump, either though. I'm going 3rd party or staying home.

Hillary will probably set women back.. is what I'm told from friends abroad who've had a woman head of state. This is what happens when someone of such little non-careerist accomplishment and even less vision makes her campaign almost solely about the image of her by gender. I feel sorry for you, and for other women in this country. Future women leaders will be considered more suspiciously because they will unfortunately be "tainted" by the self-appointed Every-Woman who stood for nothing that the country agreed it needed in order to be brought forward in a positive direction. She will be a cult of personality by gender. Very, very sad.

Neither can I abide by someone, trained as she was at the country's best legal institutions, with such low regard for the integrity of the law. I see her and Trump as nearly equally bad, but in different ways. I think she'd present a more stable image, but obviously at great cost. Trump might end up doing great and needed things, but too many people will not vote for someone who is incredibly unhinged, ethnicity-obsessed, and even more dismissive of the longstanding independence of our judiciary and the stability it creates in our country.

Stability comes with its own costs, as our long-standing trajectory is what's got us into these disastrous messes. I want to shake up the system, but I don't think Trump has the right idea of how to go about doing it.

I won't vote for either. My suspicions on who would be worse as speculations and biased, but I know enough to know that there are a whole bunch of things wrong with either of them. It's not for nothing that they both have the historically highest unfavorables of any previous candidate.

Idealism is still alive, though. And there are other candidates to vote for. It's not my job to maintain the duopoly.

AprilApple said...

Hillary is a corrupt South American Leftist Dictator. We know that before she cheats to win.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Meade, keep the psycho-babble contained in your own "inside voice." I understand perhaps as well as or better than you do the insane psycho-dramas that come with the Clintons. Have you read nothing I've written this whole year? Why, there's even a comment right above this one that details all that amply.

But there is much more going on in America right now than Clinton or her doppelgänger Trump. So I'm optimistic. Both of these two clowns have historically high unfavorables. More people are probably against them than are for both of them, let alone either one by themselves. There is something worth feeling good about in that. And the Clintons are the DNC and the establishment. We have equally aimed our cannons at and weakened their (i.e. their party's) machine as we have them. So don't blame me. Just because your right wing hasn't accomplished any of the important things that an insurgent Trump campaign could have accomplished, doesn't mean that we on the left have as little to show for what we've done. We've done plenty.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Of course, keep in mind, if charges against Hillary magically disappear, or if she's pardoned, mild-mannered Republican presidential nominee Chuck Vanilla, Iowa soybean farmer, will urge that all parties show calm and restraint while joining him in a moment of silent prayer for the nation, before enjoying a wonderful ear of sweet Iowa corn.

Wait a minute. That happens in an alternative universe. Hillary's partisan escape happens in the universe where Donald Trump has just defeated all comers for the Republican nomination and Bernie Bros are beating up their own party rivals. This year it grows so hot alien Predators will be sightseeing in Rio.

AprilApple said...

R and B - wow I never thought I'd say that I agree with you, almost 100%.

I'm holding out hope for Trump in this sad situation. I'm waiting for him to wise up. Perhaps he will? (I know - people don't change)

Saint Croix said...

1) Obama does not like Hillary or Bill Clinton
2) Obama has a history of throwing people under the bus
3) Obama knows the media will spin this in his favor
4) Obama is a socialist and secretly likes Bernie
5) Obama knows that Hillary has damaged national security in a big way
6) Obama loves a teaching moment
7) Obama wants to be on the high road or at least pretend like he's on the high road
8) Obama knows the FBI head is an ethical man who is doing his job
9) Obama feels guilt for his IRS tricks and the partisan nature of his DOJ
0) Obama wants the kids to love him and wants to restore their faith in government

Rhythm and Balls said...

Well, April - that is the wild card. It's possible that Trump could not only win but be a better learner than HRC. Remember, Hillary said that she's not a "natural politician". That was one of the scariest things I've heard anyone vying for the highest political office say. It's a heck of a lot different than saying she's not a "career politician". It's a way of saying that she simply doesn't have the knack for listening to and articulating and channeling the voice of the people. Which could be disastrous, no matter how many other people she has to rely on to have her ear.

Trump, OTOH, does seem to at least have a knack for the political attack, if nothing else. I'm equally freaked about by things he's done and said, but it's possible he could learn. He seems to be more chameleon than an unchangeably spotted leopard, and that could be what's needed. I have to hope he would, given the damage he's caused to the process. But I have no way of knowing for sure.

So it could be unnerving, many potentially scary outcomes. But I refuse to give into it. There were plenty of optimists in this campaign season. We saw them and it was inspiring. They're still out there, somewhere in America. Bernie will not give up until he finds a way to give them a say in what happens going forward. And it's not just about him, either.

Real American said...

Obama doesn't know what"qualified" means and why should he?

Meade said...

"Have you read nothing I've written this whole year?"

I've tried not to. But you got me when you put up a comment that didn't go on and on. And on. In a moment of weakness, I suppose, I read it. Sorry.

Rhythm and Balls said...

I've tried not to. But you got this time by putting up a comment that didn't go on and on. And on. In a moment of weakness, I suppose, I read it. Sorry.

Well Meade, then you can blame yourself for what's wrong with this country. By your own admission of yourself as one of the most incurious non-readers still alive on the internets, you are the spot-on personification of the proverbial low-information voter.

And your own 7:39 was just as rambling and unreadable anything you've ever accused me of. When you try for length, maybe put some actual thought into it. Consider that advice, from a voter less uninformed and less inclined to pride by taciturn ignorance than you obviously are.

Real American said...

They won't indict her because nothing will happen of they don't. She'll claim any attempt to raise the issue is old news and partisan - VRWC -even tout the investigation as proving her innocence. Mindless Democrats will overlook it because the the only character trait that is disqualifying is being not-liberal and obtaining more power is the sole objective.

Night Owl said...

"... Hillary will probably set women back..."

Funny you should say that...I was just thinking how fitting and enlightening it is that the first female candidate for the presidency of the US is Hillary Clinton. Some may have been under the delusion that is it time for a woman to run things because woman are morally superior than men. But instead, the ethically challenged Hillary is proof that the feminists were right about men and women being equals: Hillary has shown that women who run for high office can be just as corrupt and venal as any man. What a proud time to be a woman!

(is a sarcasm tag needed?)

Mary Beth said...

Saint Croix, you had me with you until 9 and 10.

EMD said...

just call me "Chauncey Gardiner."

That's Chauncey ... Gardener.

FullMoon said...

AprilApple said... [hush]​[hide comment]

R and B - wow I never thought I'd say that I agree with you, almost 100%.

I'm holding out hope for Trump in this sad situation. I'm waiting for him to wise up. Perhaps he will? (I know - people don't change)


Trump asked a contestant on the Apprentice if thet believed people could change. Then Trump said "I don't"
I remember specifically because I know people who have changed for the better.

madAsHell said...

The Wall Street Journal.

Ding Dong the witch is dead. This is going to happen.

AJ Lynch said...

"Hillary Most qualified"??? than Eisenhower, LBJ, Teddy Roos, FDR, Reagan, hell 43 year old JFK was more qualified than Hillary.

madAsHell said...

Obama's legacy.....I screwed Hillary Clinton.

Quaestor said...

That's Chauncey ... Gardener.

Actually it Chance, the gardener.

Miriam said...

Amazing speech and then an endorsement for Hillary by Elizabeth Warren tonight on MSNBC. This woman is a powerhouse and if she gets the nod for VP, look out. Trump will lose by historical numbers. What an exciting election!

AprilApple said...

All of a sudden everyone is a sell out, in other words.

AprilApple said...

Warren for a corrupt statist dynast - because power and money.

Saint Croix said...

Saint Croix, you had me with you until 9 and 10.

I don't think Obama has enough self-awareness to feel guilt about his racial hijinks. But I might be wrong. The man really is smart.

For instance, Barack Obama has to know, on some level, maybe just a subconscious one, that he used the Trayvon Martin killing to rile up black voters and get them to re-elect him. And his second term he has watched as there have been black riots in various cities. And now Donald Trump is doing the same game, with working class whites. And white Republicans forcibly rebuke him for his racism?

If he has a conscious he has to feel some guilt about all the racist shit he has said and thought about the GOP. And maybe he said, fuck it, I'm going to clean up my own house.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I read the WSJ piece Drudge is linking to. Meade, must know more than the WSJ. How in any way shape or form is the stuff in the WSJ piece going to lead to an indictment of HRC? Especially considering that the WSJ piece itself states that this stuff isn't expected to lead to an indictment.

Anywho, if the CIA can get away with the stuff surrounding their so-called secret torture report and tapping Senate computers, doesn't this WSJ stuff regarding State seem a bit lame?

Just sayin.

At some point don't facts matter to cons? OTOH, now they're blaming BHO because Bush let Gitmo terrorists kill Americans before BHO was in office.

Sheesh.

Saint Croix said...

And maybe Obama thinks his fight with the GOP, over economics, is better put forth by Bernie Sanders, the high-minded candidate. While Hillary Clinton, like Donald Trump, will simply use the poison of race to achieve power.

I am telling you, yelling "racism" at the GOP is not going to fly going forward. And Obama may, just may, have a lesson for uppity white liberals.

Miriam said...

April Apple, you really have no idea what Warren is all about, do you? The right is such a hot mess, while the left is coalescing. I love it.

Saint Croix said...

The right is such a hot mess, while the left is coalescing. I love it.

People on the left have avoided reality for so long! Heads up, because Hillary Clinton is going to be indicted.

Saint Croix said...

Miriam, click on that WSJ link.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"If he has a conscious he has to feel some guilt about all the racist shit he has said and thought about the GOP. And maybe he said, fuck it, I'm going to clean up my own house."

Isn't it more likely that he says: now the fuckin GOPers decided to go w/ a whistle instead of a dog whistle since they have a nominee that has strong support from many of America's openly racist folks and organizations?

BTW, I saw a pickup truck today with three giant flags posted from the bed. One was the American flag, one said TRUMP. Who can guess what the third was?

AprilApple said...

Coalescing around the Clinton Crime Family. Selling-out.

Then again, we knew Warren was all talk.

Saint Croix said...

conscience

Miriam said...

Saint Croix,
I read it. Nothing points to an indictment, as P B and J pointed out.

AprilApple,
There are a few really ethical and decent people in DC, Warren and Sanders are two of them. Nothing you can say about Warren changes that.

AprilApple said...

You lose your ethics when you jump on the Clinton Crime Family Bus to hell.

Saint Croix said...

WSJ reporters are the most liberal around. They are huge liberals at the WSJ, always on the warpath for corporate greed. The WSJ editorial page is very conservative, of course! Because conservatives buy and read the WSJ. But their reporters are more liberal than other publications, including the NYT.

My guess is there are many secret Bernie supporters at the WSJ, and also some Republicans too up above them. A whole newsroom filled with people who loathe Hillary.

That story is pretty much how Watergate took out Nixon. The stories got so bad, and built and built, and finally Republicans told Nixon to resign.

There may or may not be a prosecution, but you can expect major leaks from the Obama administration to sabotage Hillary Clinton and her campaign going forward.

Obama is very calm. But Obama is very pissed at somebody in his own party.

cubanbob said...

What baffles me is why Obama even allowed Hillary this insanity. There wasn't an upside for him in this and the downside is terrible. Considering the number of emails that Hillary sent to and received from the other cabinet departments and agencies along with those to and from the Executive Office the problem for the FBI and the AG is how to limit this to Hillary and her minions. It's not just the violation of federal records laws, freedom of information laws and national security laws it's also also corruption. Pardon my bad linking skills but the two below links add even more fuel to the fire.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-31/hillary-and-bill-clinton-paid-43-million-in-federal-taxes

https://jonathanturley.org/2016/06/08/the-clintons-university-problem-laureate-education-lawsuits-present-problem-for-clintons/

Three hundred and twenty million souls in this country and the choice for president comes down to a choice between a hustler and carnival barker versus a felonious traitor and champagne communist. I'm beginning to lose my faith in that God loves America.
R & B rather perceptive comment. If you live in a state that isn't a swing state then casting a ballot for a third party of not voting for president is easy to do, your vote probably doesn't mean anything. However if you do live in a swing state then it does. I do. So as I see it I don't have the option of not voting for president or voting third party. Any mustards you can recommend to spread on the shit-sandwich I'm going to have to eat?


Miriam said...

You lose your soul when you vote for Trump, April. There isn't a dirtier, more selfish, foul, narcissist, scammers and fraud than Trump. This is who the right chose.

Saint Croix said...

Old Obama: "I need to bury all the shit Hillary Clinton has done because the Republicans are worse, they are so racist and mean, everybody knows that!"

New Obama: "I do not need to buy all the shit Hillary Clinton has done. The Republicans have rebuked Donald Trump for the good of our nation. I need to let people know, this woman is trouble."

chickelit said...

Hillary staying in the race strengthens Trump; Hillary "dropping out" neuters Trump. They are starting to figure that one out.

AprilApple said...

At least Trump isn't an Unindicted Felon.

chickelit said...

Miriam said...
You lose your soul when you vote for Trump, April.

Those who vote for Hillary have already lost theirs.

AprilApple said...

No bigger corrupt fraud than The Clinton Crime Family.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

CubanB uses an excellent term.

Until Rob Reiner was just on Real Time I didn't know that "shit-sandwich" originated with Spinal Tap.

Unlike Althouse, I don't go to the OED or research how new words came be. But, it's nice when these things fall in my lap. And, if that doesn't happen I just assume Shakespeare or Tupac came up w/ everything worthwhile.

Miriam said...
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chickelit said...

If Hillary wins, she will most certainly -- like Nixon -- resign in disgrace. But hey, she will gotten her "first."

AprilApple said...

Sometimes - I do like Trump

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are engaged in their first full-blown Twitter war.

Trump started it, mocking President Barack Obama's endorsement of the presumptive Democratic nominee on Thursday.

"Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary. He wants four more years of Obama_but nobody else does!" Trump tweeted.

Clinton's campaign responded with an epic troll: "Delete your account," her campaign replied.

The message marked a departure for the often cautious Clinton and quickly went viral, getting retweeted 130,000 times in about an hour. It was a campaign milestone: Clinton's most retweeted tweet.

"Delete your account" is a typical joke used on the social media site, often deployed when someone has failed to be funny.

But Trump, who's known for his brash voice on the site, shot back with his own missive.

"How long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up--and where are your 33,000 emails that you deleted?" he wrote.


Awesome. FU Hillary - you f*ing lying corrupt money grubbing witch.

Miriam said...

All the smearing of the Clintons all these years has done it's damage. I don't know how much of it is anywhere near the truth. It's amazing that you folks aren't as interested in Trump's background. To your detriment.

Peggy Coffey said...

Miriam, Hillary actually killed people, which Trump has not done. She has absolutely no morals or ethics and even now China, Russia, North Korea and everyone else who hacked into the server in the bathroom knows everything the USA did or wants to do. She is dishonest to her core being and I wouldn't trust her to watch my goldfish for me.

chickelit said...

Miriam said... It's amazing that you folks aren't as interested in Trump's background.

What else about him do you think we should know? Tell us something new and juicy, "Miriam."

Saint Croix said...

hey Bob,

It's easy, just google it. If I figured it out, anybody can!

Bloomberg

Turley

I had to google it because Althouse yelled at us once for our lack of linking ability.

AprilApple said...

The Clintons refuse to go away. They are starved for power and money. They have nothing else. Without the media propping her up, she would have collapsed a long time ago. Bonus - She should be in jail.

AprilApple said...

The Clintonopolis money machine - media matters. It's all CORRUPT.

Saint Croix said...

All the smearing of the Clintons all these years

Obama is smarter than you.

AprilApple said...

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy set up her server, sold corporate influence for Foundation donations and raped all those women! Amazing.

Miriam said...

Obama is smarter than a great many of us.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I saw that twitter stuff earlier.

But, it took HRC 5 minutes for the response.

Turmp took hours to come back w/ the reference to hundreds of staff.

Clearly Trump was the slow one, and even then he missed the mark. He only highlighted that HRC was fast and witty while he was slow and weak.

If HRC can coordinate more than eight hundred folks in a few minutes to kick out a killer result. And Trump takes hours to kick out lameness. How is that good for Trump when the question at hand is who can run the something as large and complicated as the US government?

Saint Croix said...

As the election becomes Bernie vs. Donnie

socialist vs. fascist

more and more people in the center will want to vote for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian party.

Nobody wins 270.

The election goes into the House.

And Barack Obama keeps the nation calm through this crisis.

walter said...

Hil bringing up the term delete is "killer"? Next thing you know, she's going to bring up rape victims ;)

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I mean, Trump's twitter response and lag time wouldn't even qualify him for a top twenty spot among Althouse commenters. Yet, April thinks this poor showing qualifies as POTUS potential.

WTF?

Why not vote for Titus?

Saint Croix said...

I would like to tweak what Meade suggested.

Yes, it's a cover.

But maybe not for an indictment.

It's a cover for all the leaks coming out of the Obama White House about the bad shit that Hillary's e-mail server has done to our country.

An indictment may or may not happen. Obama is trusting his FBI head, and he has told his AG not to play politics with this one.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Walter,

You're falling for the trap. Oldies don't understand what that tweet means.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"Obama is trusting his FBI head"

Comey is a Republican.

If any one is hoping that Comey will put the fix in for his political party, it isn't BHO and HRC.

Saint Croix said...

Sometimes - I do like Trump

Me too! He's a funny commentator.

As a president, no thanks.

chickelit said...

@PB& Jelly: My Twitter timeline shows a two hour lag between Trump's first tweet and Hillary's "brilliant" response. Nice try though.

walter said...

Oh..so one of her minions dropped a hipster funny? Do tell.

chickelit said...

Oldies don't understand what that tweet means.

Stop impersonating Titus already.

Saint Croix said...

I mean, Trump's twitter response and lag time wouldn't even qualify him for a top twenty spot among Althouse commenters.

You don't get quicker than Marco Rubio. "First off, you don't even speak Spanish, so I don't know how you know what I said in Spanish."

The only people who risked the speed round (that I have found!) are Marco Rubio and Gary Johnson.

I love how Marco Rubio refuses to answer the "spirit animal" question. His damn brain is so fast it came up with religious objections to the question and refused to answer it. That is a fast brain, my friends.

I would have gone with "dolphin."

walter said...

I figured she had dropped any youthful references after that sad "Here chillin' in Cedar Rapids" bit.

AprilApple said...

Sad that Mr. Hope is trading down. Hillary sucks all the hope out of the room.

narciso said...

no cruz is not confortable enough to speak spanish, but he did reply in that instance,



http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-emails-in-probe-dealt-with-planned-drone-strikes-1465509863

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

chick,

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/9/11895658/clinton-trump-twitter

Don't feel bad.

Meeeea said...

chickelit said... "But hey, she will gotten her "first.""

When I first heard of Obama endorsing her, I wondered if the reason he did, (or at least when he did) was due to the "first woman nominee" hoopla--he kind of "had to" in order to avoid being called anti-woman. Which had me agreeing with someone above that an indictment may come later. Then I thought "duh" we are talking about three (counting Jarrett) of the most corrupt, narcissistic, power hungry persons on the face of the earth, so I'm sure some kind of deal has been struck and Lynch was simply given the directive to do what O/VJ want.

OTOH, nothing's nastier or more backstabbing than woman v. woman, and VJ is Chicago dirty politics writ large. She may wake one day and just decide to smack HRC right back to a trailer in Arkansas--maybe not by an indictment but some sort of leak that ends her aspirations. If anybody can do it, she can.

AprilApple said...

Marco would be trouncing Hillary. Oh well.

Saint Croix said...

Fast brains are way overrated in the White House.

Obama has a very, very, very slow brain. "I want to think about things for 7 and a half years."

It took me 20 years to figure out how to write my abortion book.

Donald Trump has a very fast brain (obvious in debate!).

But he's wrong on so many things! His slow brain is not good.

eric said...

Blogger chickelit said...
Miriam said... It's amazing that you folks aren't as interested in Trump's background.

What else about him do you think we should know? Tell us something new and juicy, "Miriam."


I like the Miriam in quotes. It's clearly one of our old friends come back again.

At least she has shame. Shame enough to keep changing her name, embarrassed to be seen under her many other handles.

walter said...

She should bring back the barking dog bit. She's a natural.

eric said...

Blogger AprilApple said...
Sometimes - I do like Trump


The best part of this is that it's being explained. Explained on Vox, explained on MSNBC, etc.

Don't they know that if you have to explain a joke, it's not funny?

What is funny is my twitter was lit up tonight with puns toward Elizabeth Warren. They are funny. If you want a sample, look up Ben Shapiro's twitter account. Too funny.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"I would have gone with "dolphin.""

I always go with dairy cows. This has always been my favorite animal. And, I discovered early on when the night is late and favorite animals come up, it turned out that it's super cool to pick a cow when everyone else likes a tiger and lynx and so-on. But, really, I like cows, even it wasn't ironically cool.

chickelit said...

Don't feel bad.

Consider the source, PB&Jelly.

walter said...

PB&J, found the explanation..it still makes her look stupid for venturing near that term. Yo know..some comedians have referred to being "mind raped". Go on Hil, try that one.

Saint Croix said...

Comey is a Republican.

That Obama named as his FBI head. Because he trusts him! Look upthread.

Comey has ethical chops. He told the truth on his own Republican side, and Obama awarded him with a job. And the man has no career with Republicans now.

Obama is so impressed! He's thinking of nominating this guy for Scalia's seat.

My fast brain has moved into mad mind-reading skills now.

chickelit said...

@eric: True

Also, that PB&Jelly is the same account as Titus was an old Palladian theory. Observe for yourself going forward. Just imagine Titus w/o the affected shtick, i.e., "mean Titus."

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

chick,

The source is the original tweets on twitter.

I'm not sure that refusing to accept reality is going to help you make your point. OTOH, doing so often works for Trump (and HRC, for that matter).

Meeeea said...

re the Twitter exchange, what a bitch. "Delete your account"--really? Just shut down someone's speech?
Can you imagine her (God forbid) with "the pen"--it will make Obama's use of it look minute. They will have to keep the auto-pen charged at all times, both in the White House, and Huma will have to keep the secret home-brew one at the ready.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

S.C.,

I'm too lazy to read upthread, it's hard to sift through the jabber.

But, maybe I'm agreeing w/ you when I acknowledge that one W reject who told the truth (aka Shinseki) didn't work out well for BHO.

Along this line, presumably it's a good thing that BHO didn't pick up O'Neil, who said that W was preparing for a war with Iraq before 911.

chickelit said...

AprilApple said...Marco would be trouncing Hillary. Oh well.

But for one thing...that too many Americans cannot accept open borders. And for good reasons, IMO.

Paul said...

Newest news says Hillary's emails had drone strike info in them.


That ain't Yoga, that's treason.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea also falls for the Oldie trap.

Presumably this is why Trump took a couple hours to respond. Oldies don't get it.

FYI, Olides should know that, in this situation, they're laughing at you, not w/ you.

Saint Croix said...

AprilApple said...Marco would be trouncing Hillary. Oh well.

His sticker is still on my car!

My new plan is four years of "I told you so."

But if it's Donnie vs. Bernie

oh shit

I got to put Gary Johnson on my car.

I'm happy with my one bumper sticker, I don't know if I want to go with two. Once you go two, it opens the door to three or four and before you know it, you're a damn hippie liberal up to your ass in messages for the world.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

" But for one thing...that too many Americans cannot accept open borders. And for good reasons, IMO. "

This is why folks incl Chick love BHO who has overseen more deportations and fewer crossings than W. Less coming over, but more going back = TPer nirvana?

JK, I know that facts don't matter to cons.

walter said...

Good God, Jelly..there is no there there with this masterful tweet.
Maybe she can reference indictment as well...in coded non-oldies lingo. Ooohh..

Saint Croix said...

First thing I got to do is quit saying "Ron Johnson" and "Gary Williams."

Gary Johnson, Gary Johnson, Gary Johnson.

And damn if I am going to investigate him too deeply. I want to vote, damn it.

I did read that he has pledged not to smoke pot in the White House.

"No new taxes," it is not! As far as pledges go, that's like, "Gee, Dad, I promise not to smoke pot when I go to Yale, okay?"

He is a libertarian, so it's entirely possible he will introduce a national audience to the word "pussy." Get ready, America!

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Does anyone in this thread think it'd blow Paul's mind if he actually read the WSJ piece that is the source of his "newest reports" conclusion?

It's probably best for him to remain an ignorant rube. Bliss is what bliss does.

narciso said...

actually, he hasn't it's only been blocking them at the borders but not proactively sending them off, but it works as a good scare story, to trick the yokels, like you can keep your doctor and your plan.

AprilApple said...

I have no bumper stickers for fear of intolerant liberal revenge.

Tho- I'm considering a "SHE'S CORRUPT" sticker with her silly H arrow symbol on there.

AprilApple said...

Perhaps this one.

walter said...

Pretty rich from the "Wipe? Like with a cloth?" one.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Here's a chart of the deporter in chief (aka BHO):

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

About a month ago I saw a sticker that said "BHO 2016, just to piss you off."

BTW, in 2008, in Seattle I saw a very new Bentley w/ a BHO sticker.

OTOH, today I did see the Trump truck that I mentioned upthread. And, there are some other big Trump signs in the area where I mostly live, i.e. the Olympic Peninsula, in WA. When I'm in my Seattle house it's a different demo.

Saint Croix said...

My family is split down the middle.

Two liberals, two conservatives.

We've had Clinton, Bush, and Obama derangement syndrome.

At Thanksgiving we struggle not to talk about politics at all.

So Donald Trump has done the remarkable thing of uniting my family. We all hate him!

If the Democrats nominate Bernie Sanders, my family will unite once again. Are you kidding?

If this keeps up, my whole family will be voting for Gary Johnson.

narciso said...

well that's actually the least significant revelations,

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/08/people-really-go-to-jail-for-breaking-this-law-clinton-email-scandal-may-have-finally-crossed-the-line/

Saint Croix said...

Here's a helpful hint for Johnson. Many people are religious. You might think about joining a Bible study so you can communicate with these voters and put their fears to rest. There is a big libertarian/family values split in the Republican party. You obviously have a lock on libertarian and moderate Democrats and Republicans. A lot of Christians might sit this one out if you can't reach them.

Hint: God loves freedom ("free will")

Achilles said...

AprilApple said...
"Marco would be trouncing Hillary. Oh well."

How so? In a race to see who could dissolve our southern border faster?

walter said...

Hey..that was old Marco. Like Trump, he's changing.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

narc,

I'll give you tip when reading articles. Usually it's important to read the whole thing. E.g. all sorts of NYT pieces with menacing headlines against Rs contain facts that deflate the huffing and puffing, though these often are placed near the end of the piece. Likewise the WSJ piece that was associated with this thread eventually stated that HRC's actions weren't likely to justify an indictment.

But, when the very first sentence of any piece, like your DC link, includes the word "may," you can immediately stop reading. The rest is speculation and click or read bait. It's like the way that FNC loves the question mark: "Is HRC a bottom feeding loser who eats kittens? We report, you decide after these words from our sponsors."

You're welcome.

eric said...

Blogger Saint Croix said...
My family is split down the middle.

Two liberals, two conservatives.

We've had Clinton, Bush, and Obama derangement syndrome.

At Thanksgiving we struggle not to talk about politics at all.

So Donald Trump has done the remarkable thing of uniting my family. We all hate him!

If the Democrats nominate Bernie Sanders, my family will unite once again. Are you kidding?

If this keeps up, my whole family will be voting for Gary Johnson.


I seriously doubt this will happen.

The two conservatives will vote for Gary Johnson. The other two will vote for Hillary Clinton. Bet on it.

walter said...

Did Trump get around to revealing that off the record NYT chat?

narciso said...

that is also true when 'some officials say' which ones, there are many squirrel moments, to hide the real import of the revelation, peter schweitzer should have gotten a pulitzer for his work on uncovering the foundation, surprise, surprise,

walter said...

PBJ,
Will deporter in chief zero in on Larrissa Martinez and family before she goes to Yale?
Not exactly "in the shadows"

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Walt,

She's not a 10, but not bad. I think Trump would let her stay. He may look South instead of East for number four.

After all Melania's getting up there, and the Mexicans do love him.




Saint Croix said...

The other two will vote for Hillary Clinton. Bet on it.

They won't vote for her if she drops out!

Of course they are voting for her now. Every Democrat I know is either Bernie or Hillary.

None of them think she will be indicted. I have yet to meet a HIllary supporter who thinks she will be indicted.

But if she is indicted? By the Obama administration?

My point, maybe it wasn't clear, is that in a Bernie vs. Donnie world...

My whole family might vote for Gary Johnson.

walter said...

Nice. Trump himself would approve of that deflection.
Maybe Larrissa can join Hil's "build a bridge" campaign tour.
H: "Isn't she wonderful? (bark, bark, cough, bark)"

Saint Croix said...

A lot of people avoid third parties because they are "extreme."

But in this election, it's the two popular parties that have gone extremist.

The Libertarian party is the new moderate place to be.

walter said...

It's a symbiotic message, really. It doesn't matter whether you obey the law as long as you succeed.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"Trump himself would approve of that deflection."

Thanks for noting that, I was worried that the allusion may have been too subtle.

But, honestly, that chick should be allowed to stay...as long as she looks like she did during the speech, i.e. not the glasses wearing nerdy look that I've also seen. Okay, totally seriously, she should be able to stay. In fact, we'd be better off keeping her and shipping some racist genuine-American Klan person out of the country. That way we're net zero on population, but net plus-a-lot on brains and capabilities.




chickelit said...

Jelly wrote: In fact, we'd be better off keeping her and shipping some racist genuine-American Klan person out of the country.

Do you know any Klan people or are you just drunk?

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"It doesn't matter whether you obey the law as long as you succeed."

Haven't we been reading that so-called law abiding white Americans are experiencing falling life spans (on average) due to killing themselves w/ suicide or drugs or other addictions. Fortunately, we've still got a lot of aging boomers who are surviving. So, what's wrong with a brilliant, ambitious Mexican being allowed to succeed and pay FICA so oldie white boomers can live off of her work? Presumably even Trump's racist fans could find a way to accept that trade off.

walter said...

Ah..but the racist Klan person has a right to be an asshole here.
Does Yale have unlimited supply of scholarships? Who got cut below her?
Hey now.."fair" is the now zeitgeist.
But really..if said fear of deportation was real, she would not have broadcast that.

chickelit said...

I photographed a young man at the San Diego Trump rally who fancied himself a Klansman: link. But, he was just doing a poor parody in a faux "southern" voice.

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