March 14, 2016

ME: "I would bet $500 that Trump is going to win Ohio."

MEADE: "Oh, yeah. Especially now that Mitt Romney is there campaigning for Kasich."

(Conversation just now at Meadhouse. I was looking at the 2 new polls today, which both show Kasich and Trump in a tie, after weeks of polls showing Kasich ahead.)

ADDED: I am not actually taking bets here, please note. No betting is occurring through this website. But by the way, did you notice....

101 comments:

Tank said...

Tank to ME: Why are you so sure?

David Begley said...

Typical Trump. Taking an endorsement from an idiot rule breaker, the disgraced Pete Rose.

mccullough said...

Charlie Hustle is on board. It's a run away train now

traditionalguy said...

Of course Pete Rose has his money down on Mr Hustle Trump. Winners know winners when they see one. Now let's watch Trump do a Pete Rose slide into Ohio's second baseman Kasich, spikes high, on Tuesday.

Beaumont said...

Both Trump and Ann know their audience!

Ann Althouse said...

Rose represents underhanded dealings but those who feel the resonance Trump is trying to set off remember when he helped Cincinnati win. They like to win. And Trump's message is: We don't win anymore. Get back to greatness. Rose symbolizes greatness. Trump is allying with the overall message embodied in Rose.

pm317 said...

Kasich and whatever he is doing is so irritating. oh, and he said his wife likes Rose and she will be disappointed.

pm317 said...

BTW, Kasich's wife is also very attractive and I wonder how he snagged her.

mccullough said...

Trump needs a power hitter. Rose, like Cobb, Gwynn, and Ichiro, didn't drive the ball. They hit too many singles. Trump needs a Bonds endorsement.

Chuck said...

How fitting, that the vaguely criminal Pete Rose is for Trump, while the revered OSU head coach Urban Meyer is for Kasich.

Is Pete Rose even an Ohio resident/voter!

Limited blogger said...

Go read Rose's Wikipedia page. His numbers don't seem real. I'm supposed to hate him because he took out my shortstop, Bud Harrelson, with a cheap slide and then a shove after the play, but I actually LOVE the guy. How is he not in the Hall of Fame?

Brando said...

Geez--Palin, Pete Rose, Christie, Ben Carson--Trump sure has the dregs of endorsements. It says something that each of them are controversial and consider themselves victims of unfair criticism--there's something in that that makes one feel affinity with Trump. The Kardashian endorsement should be next.

The ones to watch will be the "Vichy Republican" endorsements from establishment figures who decide to go along to get along. When the Bushes or Romney or McCain endorses him, that'll be the signal for the GOP to get in line.

traditionalguy said...

I always thought, "If you are not cheating you are not trying," was a Cincinnati motto. Damn Reds.

I bet Trump reads Marge Schott's principles for leadership.

Curious George said...

"Limited blogger said...
Go read Rose's Wikipedia page. His numbers don't seem real. I'm supposed to hate him because he took out my shortstop, Bud Harrelson, with a cheap slide and then a shove after the play, but I actually LOVE the guy. How is he not in the Hall of Fame?"

You really don't know?

mccullough said...

Trump got Ditka's endorsement. He's going to win Illinois. Da Coach

Meade said...

"Now let's watch Trump do a Pete Rose slide into Ohio's second baseman Kasich, spikes high, on Tuesday."

You confuse Pete Rose with the Georgia Peach.

Did Ty Cobb ever go to prison for tax evasion? Pete did.

Limited blogger said...

Ditka got fired for endorsing Trump. What are they gonna do to Rose? Keep him out of the HOF?

Meade said...

"I bet Trump reads Marge Schott's principles for leadership."

For your sake, I hope you lose that bet.

For principles of decency and integrity in Cincinnati business leadership, read Carl Lindner, Jr.

mccullough said...

ESPN went for the SJW metrosexual audience years ago. That's one of the reasons their ratings are down. Schilling and Da Coach don't appeal to the SJW metrosexuals who are now ESPN's core audience. Chris Broussard got to keep his job because he's black and he gave a religious reason why he doesn't support gay marriage.

They can replace the coach with Michael Sam

Limited blogger said...

Pete Rose, like so many all time great MLB players, missed the big payday. Mediocre players of today are making 10X or more what Rose made. Rose always a 'hustler' augmented his income by charging for autographs - like every other star that could. He did not claim the income. IRS went after him and a few others for tax evasion. No one was reporting that money as income. Not condoning it, just reporting what happened.

Chuck said...

I called Rose a "quasi-criminal" in my post above; I was writing fast, and trying not to be unfair to Rose. In fact, Rose was convicted of tax fraud, served five months in the federal prison in Marion, was fined $50,000, was required to perform 1,000 hours of community service, and was ordered to pay $366,041 in back taxes.

The tax charges grew out of the investigation of Rose's illegal gambling; the undeclared income related to memorabilia and autograph sales, and winnings on horse racing.

Thank you, Wikipedia.

traditionalguy said...

The smartest leader Cincinnati sports has had was the Bengals Coach, Sammy Wyche. He got them to the Super Bowl with his no huddle scheme. (This is from personal knowledge. Sammy was my High School friend and teammate.)

EDH said...

Interesting metaphor: Charlie Hustle punished for betting on his own team to win.

William said...

I don't know who I would vote for if I lived in Ohio. I think Kasich would be the safer choice as President, but voting for him would not offer the deep emotional satisfaction of pulling the lever for Trump. Voting for Trump is like taking off the cast and finally scratching an itch that's been driving you crazy.........I think Kasich is a prudent and experienced man and could credibly say those BOMFOG cliches that allow us pretend that we're a unified country. His lack of charisma is a plus in my book.. On the other hand, a vote for Kasich is a vote for all those anti-white bigots who think Trump represents all that's wrong with America..........This is somewhat related. I've read some revisionist accounts of Ty Cobb. In the context of his time and place, Ty Cobb was actually a racial moderate and was supportive of Jackie Robinson. He was a successful businessman, and there were people who liked him. The picture of him as a bitter misanthrope was drawn by one writer, and the meme was picked up by all the others.

mccullough said...

Why does John Kasich say he wants to be President?

He's much better than Mitt Romney who had no reason to run. But I haven't heard Kasich say why he wants to be President

traditionalguy said...

IMO Katich needs a job. That Governor Love stuff is about to end and end badly.

As for Ty Cobb, he really was an angry racist. But he was also a very rich man because he was an early investor in a local Atlanta soft drink company and never sold the stock.

kjbe said...

"Rose symbolizes greatness."

No, Rose symbolized greatness.

Limited blogger said...

One more Rose anecdote. He was such an insane competitor, and win at all costs guy, he took out Ray Fosse, the AL's catcher, in an All Star game. It was extra innings, which is dumb in and All Star game, and he scored the winning run with a brutal head first slide right into Fosse. Maybe he had bet on the game?

Titus said...

Ohio is such a meh state.

not horrible and not fab just meh

Meade said...

Parts of Cincinnati (The Queen City) are really very fabulous, Titus, largely thanks to the gay population. Visit some of your friends at Proctor & Gamble who live in Mt. Adams, Clifton, Hyde Park, Northside, or Tusculum.

Sammy Finkelman said...

But what do you think of the odds of Bernie Sanders winning Florida?

The polls have got to be wrong. There's no way Bernie Sanders could be doing worse in Florida than in North Carolina. Only about 10% of Florida is in the deep south.

Sanders is now winning Hispanics, and in Michigan, he got about 30% of the black vote, instead of about 15% (of course there he impressed some people as making good statements about Flint, so there was regression toward toward the mean, and maybe teh regression toward the mean hasn't taken place in south Florida.)

Of course, there's a lot of old people in Florida, and we don't have some teenagers and college kids asking their grandmothers and grandfathers to vote for Bernard Sanders like others did for Obama (8 years later it wouldn't be the same people) - but I'm not sure how much that affected things in 2008, anyway.

Sammy Finkelman said...

Something's wrong with that poll that gives Ted Cruz over 20% in Florida. Surely everybody knows by now that Florida is awinner take all state and Ted Cruz can't win it?

M Jordan said...

Hey, Zmeade, aren't you from the Cincinnati area? I seem to recall that. I know you came from the great state of Indiana (as, ahem, do I) but amirite about an Ohio connection? And if so, do you think The Rose endorsement really matters?

Sammy Finkelman said...

Limited blogger said...3/14/16, 8:54 AM

. Rose always a 'hustler' augmented his income by charging for autographs - like every other star that could. He did not claim the income. IRS went after him and a few others for tax evasion. No one was reporting that money as income.

I think O.J. murdered Nicole because his co-conspirators told him that Nicole had or would report that to the IRS but if she was dead, theer would be no audit.

M Jordan said...

Crap ... Auto-correct. I meant, Hey Meade.

Michael K said...

"Trump sure has the dregs of endorsements."

Yeah, that Senator Sessions is so in the tank for illegal immigration. Do you read any ?

tim in vermont said...

OK, I am voting tomorrow. I wanted to vote against Trump,

America is better than this. We don't have to tear each other apart," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said. "When you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."

This is why I won't vote for Cruz. Has he clarified it? I would like to know. I don't think I can vote against Trump for somebody I find just as odious.

tim in vermont said...

The best case scenario seems to be to vote for Trump and have him really rough up Clinton with a factual recount of her career, which has been selectively reported in the main stream media.

tim in vermont said...

#NEVERCLINTON

tim in vermont said...

The worst thing about Cruz's statement is that it grants the left it's intimidation tactics [see garage's comments if you don't believe this] as a given.

Fabi said...

If Kasich wins Ohio -- which is no gimme -- he only needs 122% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination! That's a fact, Jack. He should also be proud as their sitting Governor to be polling at 36% today!

What an asshole.

MadisonMan said...

#NEVERCLINTON

Agreed -- given the present candidates that could be running against her. If I had several minutes, I might be able to think of a Republican who I'd actually rank behind Hillary. it might take more than several minutes.

MadisonMan said...

Cruz v. Clinton would be two horrible horrible choices.

Please, America's Political Parties, Don't let this happen!!!

mccullough said...

Cruz is a weasel. If he actually became the nominee and held some rallies where people showed up, the RFB troopers from MoveOn would be doing the same thing to him. And he'd stand there and take it. And Hillary would wipe the floor with him.

JSD said...

Rose got the full weight of MLB because he failed to confess his sins and beg forgiveness. Yeah, he was an obnoxious creep, but his sins pale in comparison to a lot of other players.

In Rose’s rookie year spring training, Mickey Mantle hit a no-doubt moonshot. Rose sprinted to the wall and leaped at a ball that cleared the fence by 20 feet. Whitey Ford and Mickey laughing at such a ridiculous sight, remarked “look at Charlie Hustle out there”. Pete loved it and the name stuck.

Michael K said...

I could see a Trump/Cruz ticket depending on the results tomorrow.

Big Mike said...

I see that Kasich is doubling down on amnesty, both immediately and massively. I think he's going lose, and lose big.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

#NEVERCLINTON

How sad that Republicans insist on nominating a candidate who can't beat Clinton. I predict many years of soul searching after this election cycle spirals down the drain.

eric said...

Michael K,

I would love it if Cruz and Trump made nice and starting working together.

What's interesting to me is, I've always heard it's the far right tea party types who are unreasonable. But, even though we get pissed and sad when our candidate doesn't win, we show up to vote for Romney and McCain.

We don't start NeverRomney or NeverMcCain stuff.

All those people who started and push the #nevertrump? Seems like they are all the supposedly moderate Rubio fans.

Imagine that.

They don't know how to lose gracefully.

Meade said...

"Ohio connection? "

Yes.

"And if so, do you think The Rose endorsement really matters? "

Not at all. People are jumping on the Trump bandwagon. Rose is one of those people, a great former ballplayer but not a very intelligent person — easily duped, easily emotionally triggered, easily influenced by people of low morals, still has unmet narcissistic needs even at his advanced age. In other words — the profile someone perfectly ripe for exploitation by a politician like Trump.

Meade said...

But his endorsement won't cause anyone in Ohio to jump on the Trump bandwagon. Nor will it cause anyone to jump off.

Meade said...

Now, Ernie Banks (if he were still alive) would be a different story. Same for Roberto Clemente. Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Billy Williams, ...

Meade said...

...Lou Brock, Curt Flood...

Bay Area Guy said...

Pete Rose gets the MLB hammer, while all the steroid users (McGwire, Bonds, Palmeiro, Sosa, Clemens, Giambi, Braun, A-Rod, Tejada, etc, etc) basically got slaps on the wrist.

Trump will solve this grave injustice, darn it!

Curious George said...

"JSD said...
In Rose’s rookie year spring training, Mickey Mantle hit a no-doubt moonshot. Rose sprinted to the wall and leaped at a ball that cleared the fence by 20 feet. Whitey Ford and Mickey laughing at such a ridiculous sight, remarked “look at Charlie Hustle out there”. Pete loved it and the name stuck."

Unlikely as Rose started his career as a second basemen.

poker1one said...

Meade attempts an othering of Pete Rose, leaving the best for last, "...not very intelligent." Ah, yes, morons for Trump. Earlier he sniped about Rose being a tax evader. Timothy Geithner anyone? So the intelligent tax cheats and kept men know where they stand.

I won't mention the reference to gays and the, "...Queen City." Oh, wait, I just did.

As a sign holder for Trump in Massachusetts I noticed a hierarchy of vehicles whizzing by that gave me the thumbs up or tooted their horns in support, which was:

Manly men who were driving tow trucks,manly men in big tractor trailer trucks, manly men and the women who loved them in cars, suburban women, mom types, and gorgeous women in luxury cars who don't want to be beheaded.

Meade could only wish he was included.

Michael K said...

" In other words — the profile someone perfectly ripe for exploitation by a politician like Trump."

Says the philosopher. The profile sure sounds like a Bernie supporter. Maybe one who tried to rush the stage at a Trump rally.

JSD said...

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/11/whitey-ford-gave-pete-rose-his-charlie-hustle-nickname/

Birkel said...

Kasich just said he would go ahead with amnesty if elected.
That should seal Ohio for Trump and get us down to the two person race that should have happened after Super Tuesday.

Curious George said...

"JSD said...
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/11/whitey-ford-gave-pete-rose-his-charlie-hustle-nickname/"

OMG it must be true! Again, Rose played second in the minors and then for the first 4-5 years of his career. It would be very unlikely for him to be playing in the outfield.

Curious George said...

"Meade said...
Now, Ernie Banks (if he were still alive) would be a different story. Same for Roberto Clemente. Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Billy Williams, ..."

Roberto Clemente is also dead.

CachorroQuente said...

Big Mike:"I see that Kasich is doubling down on amnesty, both immediately and massively. I think he's going lose, and lose big."

If you mean by "amnesty" not supporting Trump's Operation Wetback then yes, Kasich is not changing his position. Kasich, as far as I know, has never advocated rounding up and deporting the 11 million (or more) foreign nationals residing in the U.S. in violation of U.S. immigration laws. Whether that's a winning or losing position among Ohio Republican primary voters, maybe we'll find out tomorrow.

Cruz, it's sort of hard to tell. When asked about deporting, Cruz responds oleaginously, talking about border enforcement and being on the side of Jeff Sessions rather than the side of Reid and Schumer and hiring more border agents and the like and never quite getting to actually answering the question at hand. What would President Cruz do about the 11 million (or so) living in the U.S. in violation of the law? We don't know.

Curious George said...

I wonder if Rose charged Trump for the autograph and ball. I mean he charges crippled kids...

Limited blogger said...

Probably, and Trump gave him a 1099-misc

Sammy Finkelman said...

The New York Post today has polls on page 4.

It shows Kasich getting 39% in Ohio to Trump's 33% (with 19% for Cruz and 6% for Rubio - total 97%) This is an NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll released Sunday. And I think the trend is with Kasich for that state.

Interesting that nobody ever uses the term "favorite son" any more.

In Florida the same poll shows Trump at 43%, Rubio at 22% Cruz at 21% and Kasich at 9% - total 95%.

North Carolina (which is as proportional as you can get) a Civitas poll released Friday shows Trump at 32%, Cruz at 26% and Rubio and Kasich both at 11% (total 80%)

In Illinois (15 delegates winner take all by statewide vote, and 54 delgates (3 per Congressional district) elected individually by name, with the candidate they are pledged to listed next to their name the same NBC News/WSJ/Marist poll as was used for Florida and Ohio gives 34% for Trump, 25% for Cruz 21% for Kasich and 16% for Rubio. Tota1 96%

Missouri were it is winner take all statewide (12 delegates) and 40 winner take all by congressional district (5 per CD) theer is a Ft Hays State Unoversity poll from Friday that shows 36% for Trump, 29% for Cruz, 9% for Rubio and 8% for Kasich. Total; 82%.

Rubio seems stronger than Kasich except where Kasich has campaigned or near where he has campainewd (mainly New Hampshire, Michigan and Ohio)

jr565 said...

"America is better than this. We don't have to tear each other apart," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said. "When you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."

there was another view of the tape that came out, and it doesnt' suggest that Trumps campaign manager did in fact violently throw her down. she never loses her footing. It looks like he pulls her back and keeps walking. I'm not even sure if he realizes that he hurt her in any way. Its more of a "get out of the way" type shove.
So this whole he said/she said might be a Rashomon type scenario where both sides see something that might be true but neither side is actually in the right. The way Michelle said it, she was thrown to the ground. This video suggests otherwise:

https://youtu.be/6NoMPxomjiw

I'm not going to say she is a liar, because he did seem to grab her and move her out of the way. But he didn't "Throw her down". I thought that meant she fell to the floor. He moves her out of the way. There's a difference

Sammy Finkelman said...

The same polls also polle dthe Democratic race.

The NBC/WSJ/Marist polls give:

Ohio: Clinton 58%, Sanders 39% (total 97%

Florida: Clinton 61%, Sanders 34% (total 95%)

Illinois: Clinton 51%, Sanders 45% (total 96%)

The Civitas poll in North Caroina gives: Clinton, 57% Sanders 28% (total 85%)

The Fort Hays poll in Missouri gives: Clinton, 47%, Sanders 40% (total 87%)

All delegates in the zdemocratic race are awarded proportionately, with a 15% threshold.

CachorroQuente said...

Meade:" Rose . . ., a great former ballplayer but not a very intelligent person — easily duped, easily emotionally triggered, easily influenced by people of low morals, still has unmet narcissistic needs even at his advanced age. In other words — the profile someone perfectly ripe for exploitation by a politician like Trump."

That's a pretty apt description of Rose and a pretty apt characterization of a lot (though not all) of Trump voters.

My brother, whom I see rarely, was visiting this weekend and we talked about the sad turn the Republican party seems to be taking. He has been voting since 1968 and I since 1972 and neither of us has ever voted for a Democrat. I asked him if there was any opponent who could get him to vote for Trump. He said, "Maybe Charles Manson, but I'd still have to think about it."

Sammy Finkelman said...

A CNN/ORC poll at the beginning of March showed Clinton only beating trump, and Sanders beating everyone. Sanders biggets margin was against Cruz but the person who had the best margin against hillary Clinton was Rubio. The poll only polled Rubio, Criz and Trump against Clinton and Sanders.

The results were:

Rubio vs Clinton: 50% to 47%
Cruz vs. Clinton: 49% to 48%
Trump vs. Clinton: 44% to 52% - loses

Sanders vs Trump: 55% to 43%
Sanders vs. Rubio: 53% to 45%
Sanders vs Cruz 57% to 40% (!)

Sanders beats Cruz by a bigger margin than Clinton beats Trump.

JSD said...

Sorry you doubt it. Spring training is just that, spring training. Teams invite many players, they play split squads, meaning the half the team plays a home game, half the team travels to an away game. Lots of 7 inning double headers and people playing everywhere, especially guys trying to make the 25 man or the 40 man roster. Coaches like to find out if a guy can catch a fly ball. You’d be surprised at the number of players who can’t. It’s not something you want to find out in a regular season game. So, yes, I do believe that Pete Rose would have seen some outfield time in spring training. I spent many years following my nephew who played professional ball for 8 years. He heard the Pete Rose story many years ago years ago.

rastajenk said...

Roberto Clemente is also dead.

That would make his endorsement even more amazing!

Bricap said...

I googled the origin of the Charlie Hustle nickname. It doesn't seem clear what the real answer is, but I did see a number of links that suggested it was when he ran out a walk in spring training, and Whitey Ford mockingly gave him the nickname for that. It is correct that he began his major league career at 2B, but i don't think it rules out the possibility that he might have played the outfield at all in spring training, if one wants to make the case for the outfield hustle story being the origin. He did spend an inning or two in the outfield his rookie season, according to Baseball Reference, for whatever that's worth. His switch to the outfield happened when Tommy Helms became the regular 2B, I gathered.

Valentine Smith said...

Hey Curious George did you ever here of a thing called spring training? where all sorts of silly things happen like players especially rookies playing out of position. Fucking know-it-all!

rcommal said...

"By the start of the 1963 season, the Reds decided that Rose was ready for the big time. During spring training that year, Rose earned the nickname "Charlie Hustle" that would stick with him throughout his career. In an exhibition game against the New York Yankees, Rose won a base on balls. Rose ran out the walk, eliciting laughter from the Yankees. Yankee pitcher Whitey Ford dubbed the rookie "Charlie Hustle." "


http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Pete_Rose.aspx

Birkel said...
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Birkel said...

jr565:

Fields, the reporter, always claimed she was thrown off balance but not to the floor. Your impressions otherwise are wrong.

She said she was grabbed much too hard, as evidenced by the bruises she showed on Twitter.

A criminal complaint has been filed.

John Smith said...

You'd win about $1600 on predictit.org as Kasich is a solid favorite. 538 has Kasich at about 80%.

YoungHegelian said...

@Birkel,

No, Fields originally claimed she grabbed from the back & thrown to the ground, and the WaPo reporter (Ben Terris) backed up her story.

I have no idea if the scene played out in jr565 link was the same one that Fields claimed she got assaulted at. If this was it, it doesn't support her story.

Both sides here have major impetus to lie through their teeth. I'm way past the point where I think someone would bribe a reporter to set up a fail for Trump; I think "dirty tricks" against Trump are & have been in play for some time now. I can also imagine the Trump side using another press setting where Fields was moved aside nicely in place of the one where she was manhandled. I imagine many of the post-appearance press scrums all look alike after a while.

I don't trust anyone involved in this.

Beldar said...

Pete Rose has a Clinton-sized self-destructive streak. There's no other way to explain his continued gambling on baseball while under scrutiny. I could care less what his politics are -- the man is mentally ill, and has some of the most spectacularly bad judgment ever displayed in the sporting world. Why would anyone care who he supports for President, unless it's to avoid that candidate?

Vote for Trump, the choice of self-destructive compulsive gamblers! Yay!

Curious George said...

"Bricap said...
I googled the origin of the Charlie Hustle nickname. It doesn't seem clear what the real answer is, but I did see a number of links that suggested it was when he ran out a walk in spring training, and Whitey Ford mockingly gave him the nickname for that. It is correct that he began his major league career at 2B, but i don't think it rules out the possibility that he might have played the outfield at all in spring training, if one wants to make the case for the outfield hustle story being the origin. He did spend an inning or two in the outfield his rookie season, according to Baseball Reference, for whatever that's worth. His switch to the outfield happened when Tommy Helms became the regular 2B, I gathered."

The few innings his rookie year were likely due to a extra inning game when odd placement of payers defensively becomes necessary because of pinch hitters and double switches. Again, I doubt he would have played the outfield in Spring Training when the Reds were bringing him up to play second.


"Valentine Smith said...
Hey Curious George did you ever here of a thing called spring training? where all sorts of silly things happen like players especially rookies playing out of position. Fucking know-it-all!"

I didn't say I knew anything. I said I doubted it. And that it was unlikely. And why. Posting some unnamed source isn't really persuasive. What's with all this anger? Is it pent up frustration at being called Val your whole life? Being told you have a girls name?



sydney said...

I wonder how many people in Ohio are like me. I no longer answer the telephone pollsters questions, and I usually get calls from Republicans, not Democrats. I've been telling them to go away since the Romney fiasco, but they keep calling.

Bricap said...

I looked up his minor league stats just for fun, and aside from 22 games in the outfield in 1960, the rest of his minor league games were at 2B. Were they bringing him up to play 2B specifically, and did he play any outfield in spring training? Could be both possibilities are correct. I'm sure the info is out there somewhere. That said, I would bet a dollar on the running out a walk to first story over the chasing the Mantle moonshot story even if he was an outfielder in the beginning. The running to first on a walk was his signature. I'd like to think I would have heard the Mantle moonshot story if that was it, because I went through that period in youth where I tried to soak up as much baseball trivia as I could.

Michael K said...

"She said she was grabbed much too hard, as evidenced by the bruises she showed on Twitter.

A criminal complaint has been filed."

The video will throw her case out of court like the case in Britain where a TV actress claimed a man molested her in the Underground. the CCTV quickly threw her case out of court.

I don't know why these women do this. The man in Britain was arrested. She has a book coming out in June. I hope no one biuys it.

Michael K said...

I guess, after reading the story again, he was dragged into court for a year.

I hope this woman does not get beyond the first judge.

Jonathan Graehl said...

Pete Rose, GAMBLER and STEROID USER. Unlike all those other nice boys who hit 60+ HRs in season.

Static Ping said...

Pete Rose did play some outfield in the minors and would end up in the outfield eventually. It would not be unusual to try out a rookie in the outfield in spring training to see how he does out there.

I am also under the impression that Rose was not a particularly good defensive second baseman or third baseman, though he was a good defensive outfielder. Whether he was an "OK I can live with it" infielder or a "he hits so well that I don't care that he's terrible" infielder has never been clear to me.

There is no definitive version of the "Charlie Hustle" origin. It is possible that there were multiple incidents. Pete Rose may not even know, given the nickname was given by others.

Static Ping said...

As to Rose playing mostly second base in the minors, usually minor league prospects are put in the most challenging defensive position they can play. Assuming the same level of offense, a second baseman is more valuable that an outfielder which is more valuable than a first baseman. Pete wouldn't be moved off second base to play left field unless it became obvious he was no infielder. Given that he was allowed to play second base on the major league level for years, he was at least adequate there.

You will notice that in the baseball draft, there are lots and lots of shortstops and not many second basemen. Teams assume that if the kid had to play second base in high school, that meant he was not good enough to play shortstop, which makes it much more likely he won't stick at second base either. Second basemen tend to be failed shortstops.

Paul said...

Hell man, now that Kasich wants all illegals to be citizens, yep.. Trump will win.

Joseph O'Brien said...

In the final episode of the Sopranos upon hearing that Phil Leotardo was killed, Agent Harris exclaims: "We're gonna win this thing!"

That is is what I thought when I heard that Mitt Romney was campaigning for John Kasich

mccullough said...

Lol. Kasich is really pulling out all the stops if he's got Romney stumping for him. Maybe Mitt's loaned him ORCA for the week.

rehajm said...

If Kasich wins Ohio there's little chance for Trump to gather enough delegates before the convention.

I'm taking 66/1 odds on Ryan for president.

Michael K said...

"A CNN/ORC poll at the beginning of March showed Clinton only beating trump"

I think there is a major "Bradley Effect" problem with polling on Trump. I may learn tomorrow that I am wrong about this but so far, the polls don;t seem to be doing too well.

Bricap said...

@Michael K. I don't know if this is indicative of potential polling for the general election, but looking on Real Clear Politics at actual results versus polling in recent contests, Trump has often slightly underperformed, while Cruz has often significantly overperformed.

Sammy Finkelman said...

Beldar said...3/14/16, 4:04 PM

(sarcastically) "Vote for Trump, the choice of self-destructive compulsive gamblers! Yay!"

That should be: "Vote for Trump, the choice of American (U.S. citizen) rule and law breakers who pick their targets. Yay!"

Sammy Finkelman said...

Theer never was a "bradley effect" It's just that Republicans had a lower tendency to answer polls.

Sammy Finkelman said...

Paul said...3/14/16, 6:13 PM

Hell man, now that Kasich wants all illegals to be citizens, yep.. Trump will win.

Thats actually the position of a majoroty pf the public and even of Republicans.

(it's just that republicans are in this logic trap of wanting this to be the last amnesty and so to end all illegal immigration first, which, of course, can never happen.

Kasich joked about building a wall between Ohio and Michigan.

M Jordan said...

Hey, Meade, thanks for the response. I think you're probably right about arose (I definitely agree with your profile of him) but it still seems to me his endorsement might get a few old timers to tip Trump's way. I know if Bobby Knight did so, my fellow Hoosiers would be more inclined to vote for Trump.

M Jordan said...

@Beldar: "the man is mentally ill, and has some of the most spectacularly bad judgment ever displayed in the sporting world."

I think you may be forgetting a certain Mr. Denny McLain.

PatD said...

I'm hearing lots of union members are switching registration to GOP so they can vote Trump. Why else would Trump go to Youngstown at very short notice?

The video of his rally is pretty cool. It is held in an aircraft hanger and he arrives in his 757, walks down the gangway and straight onto the stage, along with Chris Christie. Skip to the 43 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xtYGBGHodA

Martin said...

Reading the comments, I am impressed by how irrational and personal most of the anti-Trump stuff is.

That strikes me as odd because he has provided a huge wealth of things to criticize, but people here seem to be just emotionally venting.

Gregory Bash said...

Kasich = Loser. Romney = Loser. Kasich/Romney = Losers.