September 16, 2015

Watch the big GOP debate with me.

I don't know if I can pull off some good old-fashioned live-blogging. I see my son John is set up to live-blog, and I'm sure he'll do good work. I'll just update this post, making a numbered list if any insights strike me, and I invite you to participate in the comments. I'm not rooting for anyone, not playing any drinking games, not obsessed with Trump, not anything in particular... just open to the moment.

1. As they take their place behind the lectern, Jeb and Ben are jotting down notes and Trump, between them, is standing, swiveling, and displaying his game face. Carly's in royal blue, matching the large airplane that is stretched out behind them. Now, Jake Tapper is explaining the ground rules, introducing Hugh Hewitt and Dana Bash. Rubio wipes sweat from his brow.

2. Very short intros. Rand Paul is an eye surgeon who defends the Constitution, Huckabee says hi, Marco Rubio makes a joke about drinking water, Ted Cruz is a husband to his best friend, Ben Carson stresses the pediatric part of his career because he's here for the children, Trump wrote "The Art of the Deal" and made billions and billions of dollars, Jeb looks forward to talking about fixing Washington, Scott Walker emulates Ronald Reagan, Carly started out as a secretary, Kasich is ready to lift us up, and Christie is gonna give back what Obama stole from us.

3. Carly gets the first question and she won't answer it: Is she comfortable with Trump's finger on the nuclear button? She just calls him an "entertainer." Trump gets to respond: He's a businessman, and his temperament is "very good, very calm." Rand Paul got sideswiped by Trump, so he gets to respond, and he says that a guy that would sideswipe like that shouldn't have his finger on the button. Trump: "I never attacked him on his looks, and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter there."

4. Scott Walker breaks in without waiting to be asked a question or to get a turn triggered by an attack from someone else. It was Jeb who was asked a question, and Jeb triggered a Trump response opportunity. Walker just butted in.

5. Tapper wanted to ask another question, and Kasich started talking, so now he's been given an opportunity. Kasich is copying Walker, creating more chaos, and ironically, the point he wants to make is that the show is going to be too chaotic for the folks watching at home.

6. Christie offers to be our "vessel." Jeb is asked if he's "a puppet" for his donors. Jeb says Trump offered him money in exchange for getting gambling in Florida, and Trump said that didn't happen, because if it had, he would have gotten it. Jeb tries to break in, and Trump gives mock approval: "More energy tonight, I like it."

7. The candidates are all sweating like mad. How can they run the government if they can't even run a room in the Reagan Library?

8. "There's just something missing from our President. He doesn't have courage." Says Trump (talking about Syria).

9. Kasich breaks in ferociously. He's yelling and looking swollen and red. He's seething. This is interfering with my sense of him as everybody's dad.

10. Huckabee is complaining about the Supreme Court "redefining marriage" and championing Kim Davis. Jeb agrees with him, but in a much milder, mellower way.

11. Cruz calls Planned Parenthood "an ongoing criminal enterprise."

12. Tapper tells Carly Fiorina to respond to Trump's statement a few days ago that when he said "look at that face," he wasn't talking about her looks but her "persona." She's asked to talk about Trump's persona. She could have had a prepared remark for this, but she's thinking on her feet and uses a line that Trump just used against Jeb Bush: people heard very clearly what he said. She said that, then absolutely shuts up, and the crowd cheers. Trump smirks, then leans forward and says: "I think she's got a beautiful face and she's a beautiful woman." I think that was a prepared remark (and a lie) and Carly utterly refrains from giving an appreciative smile. She's got her game face.

13. Jeb is annoyed that Trump once said that Jeb may have a "soft spot" for Mexicans because his wife is Mexican. Trump babbles about what a lovely woman Jeb's wife is, but resists Jeb's demands for an apology. There's the wife out in the audience, come on, apologize to her. Trump won't do it. He's done nothing wrong, he says.

14. Speak English! Assimilate! Says Trump. Jeb says he is speaking English, but if someone asks him a question in Spanish, he's going to answer in Spanish. That's an opening for Rubio to break in and talk about his immigrant grandfather taught him that he was blessed to live in America... and he taught him that in Spanish. And he wants people who speak Spanish to hear from the President in Spanish, not from some translator on Spanish TV.

15. "We're the only ones dumb enough, stupid enough" to have birthright citizenship, says Trump. And he's not buying that it's in the Constitution.

16. Fiorina thinks the Constitution would have to be amended, which isn't likely. She concentrates on blaming the Democrats for not reforming immigration back when they had control of the Senate. They don't want to solve the problem. They want the issue to remain live.

17. Trump is turning beet red fighting with Carly over who's the better businessperson. He impugns her business career and she impugns him. Christie breaks in to say the person watching at home could "care less" about this back-and-forth about their careers. You 2 are both successful, what about the people out there who are not successful? Christie blusters.

18. "A track record" is important, Carly responds, without losing her cool at all. If we're going to talk about Christie's record in government, we should talk about the business record of the candidates who are coming to the race from business.

19. Aw, Rand Paul's reduced to playing with his pencils.

20. Hugh Hewitt wants to talk about who can win in the general election and who's going to attack Hillary Clinton? Kasich isn't ready to do that yet. But "at the end of the day..." (That was one of my drinking game cues, by the way. And Ben Carson has already proclaimed something "ridiculous!")

21. Trump effuses about Hugh Hewitt's declaring Trump "the best interview in America" and the camera shows Hewitt grinning responsively. What a bromance!

22. "Finally!" I say, and the crowd gives a big cheer, when Jeb says "Let me say one thing about my brother: He kept us safe."

23. Trump tried to high-five Carson and Carson received it in a way that moved it around into a regular handshake. Don't slap the neurosurgeon's gifted hands! The cause for Trump's move was Carson's statement that he'd advised George W. Bush in 2003 not to go to war in Iraq. (Trump had previously stated that he's the only one on the stage who opposed the Iraq war at the time.)

24. Do you think the questions are being evenly distributed? My sense of it is that they keep coming back to Jeb Bush.

25. Cruz thinks Bush I should have appointed Edith Jones instead of David Souter and Bush II should have appointed Michael Luttig instead of John Roberts to the Supreme Court. Jones and Luttig were both "rock-ribbed conservatives." The Presidents Bush both took the easier route and didn't want to fight for conservative Justices. Cruz's appointees will "not act like philosopher kings."

26. How long is this darned thing? I thought 2 hours. Then I thought 2 and a half. Now, I'm thinking it's going to go on for 3 hours. This is madness! (And I watched some of the other debate, the one with Santorum and... I forget who... Lindsey Graham... Pataki. One other. I have to ask Meade: Jindal.)

27. Oh, good: marijuana. I could use some marijuana at this point. The question goes to Paul, who thinks the laws hurt the poor and racial minorities. Bush confesses to smoking marijuana 40 years ago.

28. Paul is dominating for a long time on the marijuana question. He calls attention to Christie's willingness to enforce the federal criminal law against people in Colorado, who may think that their state has legalized marijuana, so — as Paul puts it — Christie doesn't believe in the 10th Amendment and "states' rights."

29. "Autism has become an epidemic," says Trump when he's asked whether he'll stop saying that vaccines are linked to autism. Carson is asked to comment and he says, "He's an okay doctor"... which is a quote of something Trump once said about Carson, so some pretty good humor from Carson, even if it's not enough pushback. Trump's point is that all he's saying is that vaccinations are too "bunched up" — too much is pumped all at once into a "beautiful little baby" and parents ought to have some discretion to space out the vaccines the way he did with his babies. Carson agrees with that point, and Trump reaches over to pat Carson on the elbow.

30. Uh-oh, lighthearted questions. First, what woman should be on the $10 bill. Huckabee says his own wife. Blechh. Cruz wants the $20 bill, not the $10 bill changed, and he'd put Rosa Parks (as would Rubio). Carson wants his own mother on the bill. Trump wants Ivanka or Rosa Parks. Jeb wants Margaret Thatcher. Walker wants Clara Barton! Carly wouldn't change the bills, and we should recognize that "women are not a special interest group." Kasich wants "Mother Theresa, a lady I had a chance to meet." Christie provoked laughs nationwide, I suspect, by saying "I think the Addams Family has been shorted in the currency business," causing a million people to quip "Morticia?!" (He meant Abigail Adams.)

31. What Secret Service nickname should you have? Carly Fiorina says "Secretariat," because, you know, she started out as a secretary, but I'm sure a million Americans just made a "horse-faced" joke. Bush wants to be "Ever Ready" — trying to establish that he's not low energy. Walker wants to be Harley (for his motorcycle). Trump says "Humble." Rubio wants to be "Gator."

32. What was up with that "Defeat Bloomberg" ad?

33. They're all boringly predicting what the world will be like after their presidency. The blabby question from Tapper was framed to invite them to connect that to Ronald Reagan... as if there hadn't been enough opportunities in all these many hours for the candidates to liken themselves to Ronald Reagan.

34. Who most improved his case? I asked the question out loud and immediately thought: Rand Paul. Meade answered: Rand Paul. But he's got a long way to go. Did anyone hurt his case significantly? I don't think so. It's more: Who needed to make some real progress here and didn't? Maybe Walker.

35. After the debate, in an interview, Trump says what he learned is that he can stand for 3 hours. Yeah, that was a severe challenge — having to stand there for 3 hours. It was hard enough to sit through!

36. John opines that Carly Fiorina won.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

The weird thing is that the professionals like Tapper and Hewitt know so much stuff, obscure things to most (80%) Americans like the names of 20 or more Senators, and the ultra obscure insider News gossipy stuff... that they should be able to trip up Trump.

Yet if they are seen as trying, oh boy.

It has to be an organic "what? who? ah who cares about that" Trump moment about something people will ultimately care about, unlike all the other stuff thrown out to trip up Trump.

Bay Area Guy said...

I actually like Jake Tapper. He's not a leftist. I think (hope) he'll do a good job.

Temujin said...

I just want to tell you both, good luck. We're all counting on you.

Birches said...

Is Hugh Hewitt going to ask all the candidates if they've read "The Looming Tower?"

Lyssa said...

Carson is a weird guy. He's so mumbly, and doesn't sound confident at all to me. I guess that's sort of part of his appeal?

Bay Area Guy said...

Too much Trump out of the box. Tapper needs to get to the issues, and Trump is not the issue.

Lyssa said...

Can we talk about something that's not Trump? Oy.

Lyssa said...

I have to wish that I trusted Trump to go after the Dem candidate the way he goes after his, ahem, fellow Republicans. Petty insults aside, he's pretty good at laying out a strong list of why everyone else is awful.

Also, yay Kasich for calling out this Trump BS!

JackWayne said...

Tapper is lousy as a moderator. It's all personal anecdotes.

JackWayne said...

Walker was great. Keep it up. Cruz better jump in or he will get washed away.

Titus said...

Rubio sweating-hot!

Bay Area Guy said...

I like these guys (& 1 gal) and will vote for the nominee - but this debate isn't inspiring confidence.

Paddy O said...

I turned it off after the first set. Tapper was making it all about Trump. Asking Fiorina to comment about another candidate based on a quote from a third candidate is utterly dismissive of her as her own candidate. Sexist way to start.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I "get along" with all of you....

Paddy O said...

Good to hear other candidates jumping in. If the networks want to make it all about the Trump show for ratings, then the stand out candidates have to reshape the debate.

Bay Area Guy said...

Rubio, thank God, gave a substantive dissertation on Russia's aims. Whew. Almost turned it off.

Rob said...

Fact checks are already out. Trump lied about not wanting casino gambling in Florida. He argued for it, even hired a lobbyist for it.

Lyssa said...

Fiorina's getting a lot of time. I'm enjoying that - so far, she's the only one who sounds serious.

Bay Area Guy said...

Some idiot above wrote:

"I actually like Jake Tapper. He's not a leftist. I think (hope) he'll do a good job.

9/16/15, 7:11 PM"

Oh shite, that was me.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"I have to wish that I trusted Trump to go after the Dem candidate..."

If you are willing to find out for yourself, not passively waiting for Katie Couric or Politico or Salon says about what Trump says about Hillary, you might be impressed.

He isn't a fan.

Anymore than Rumsfeld was a fan of Saddam when they shook hands and took pictures of it.

Paddy O said...

"Trump lied"

Trump doesn't lie. Truth is whatever is most convenient for him at the moment. That's why he's believable to so many. He's telling the truth, but his approach to truth is entirely variable and changes according to the context.

ALP said...

What, the Republican debate is on the same night that the new season of "South Park"? Fuck that, what were they thinking?

Guildofcannonballs said...

No mouthbreathing Walker, PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER MAN!

CStanley said...

Everyone is sweating!

Guildofcannonballs said...

Jeb looks like he has a good grip... holding on for dear political life.

Temujin said...

"The candidates are all sweating like mad. How can they run the government if they can't even run a room in the Reagan Library?"

Kleig lights.

Michael said...

Fiorina well ahead. She handled the first, utterly bullshit question, perfectly. More perfectly would have been to confront Tapper and tell him that she, they, weren't going to go that route. Take a moment, Jake, and rethink the rest of your questions if that is what you have in mind.

Lyssa said...

Guild - It's not enough for the potential nominee to not be a fan; he or she has to show a strong willingness to get out there and make the case, loud and proud. Trump has that ability, but he has yet to prove that he will use it on dems.

Lyssa said...

Oh, god, now we have to talk about Kim Davis. Ugh.

Guildofcannonballs said...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/02/gingrich_trump_is_right_hillary_should_go_to_jail_not_the_white_house.html

You have any links calling showing Trump calling for GOPer's to be in jail?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/donald-trump-hillary-was-the-worst-secretary-of-state-in-the-history-of-the-us-video/

Any "worst Senator" or "worst Governor" links?

Lyssa said...

I like Kasich's point about not wanting to do something because it won't work. This needs to be said more.

Lyssa said...

The people who will ultimately decide this election don't read Real Clear Politics.

Lyssa said...

I must admit that I have not watched any of the Planned Parenthood videos yet. I had a baby far too recently (very healthy and all around perfect). Even listening to Ms. Fiorina there was painful.

rcocean said...

Why is Bush right next to Trump? Is he really 2nd or 3rd in the Polls? I thought he was lower.

As for Trump lying. Its just the usual BS. It all depends on what Bush meant and trump by "trying to get Casino gambling". In any case, its like all of the debate its simply entertainment designed to avoid a serious discussion of the issues.

Get Trump fighting with this person or that person. Oh, you said this about that person. Go ahead in fight. And then that creates the opportunity for the others to play "the only adult in the room".

All part of the Establishment strategy. You can see by this debate that if Trump hadn't run, Cruz or Carson would've been drowned out and Bush would be rolling on to victory. As planned.

Titus said...

Everyone in the audience is white and rich..except for the three darkies behind Jake Tapper.

Browndog said...

Word on the street is that CNN cranked up the heat to sweat them out,make them uncomfortable circa Nixon/ Kennedy.

Titus said...

The white guy behind Jake Tapper has great hair and is hot!

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Look, Sarah Palin has a beautiful face, Carly up here has a beautiful face, but America isn't gonna vote for that. That is why I am running, otherwise I might be donating to Carly or Ted's campaign."

Alex said...

Yup keep banging away on abortion Rethugs...

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trump is showing his age somewhat, repeating things he has said before with almost identical phrasing. He seems to be performing less well on this debate.

I agree with his criticism of Bush on speaking Spanish.

MikeDC said...

Trump owns Bush, then Rubio owns Trump.

pm317 said...

She's got her game face.

I got irritated by the expression of (fake?) pained look on her face. If she had laughed it off saying it is typical Trump or something like that.. she would have come across better.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Yup keep banging away on abortion Rethugs..."

If it costs them your vote, that cancels out tens of millions they keep, for now.

Yup.

You had better show concern with outrage, spectacle, and Jon Stewart indifference, otherwise your concern will just be lost, like teardrops in a shitstorm.

Michael said...

Carly is kicking Trump's ass.

Humperdink said...

Alex, would you happen to be a procurement specialist for "fresh" parts would you? Liver here, lung there, heart over on that table. Buy two, get one free. And the R's are the rethugs?

Unknown said...

What human being can justify torturing and dismembering a baby? Little feet, little hands. How does one deceive oneself of the horror? Is it demon possession? Can a human being call those little feet, little hands, just a clump of cells?

rcocean said...

I'm shocked at how CNN and the others have turned the "debate" into "lets attack trump". So, OK trump drops out tomorrow. Then what? The answer: Jeb Bush. Establishment backed with $100 million in the bank. And hello President Hillary.

Drago said...

Alex: "Yup keep banging away on abortion Rethugs..."

Did you mean carving up babies and selling off the parts?

Is that what you don't like?

rcocean said...

No one's going to nominate Carson or CF to run against Hillary. The only one who can stop Bush is Trump.

Browndog said...

Carly and Donald got sucked into the Carly V Donald trap set by CNN.

Low point in the debate.

Rob said...

Kasich says he's "done it in both places." Who asked him about sexual preference?

Guildofcannonballs said...

5 Trillion Dollar surplus?

He was told to say that to get people saying how stupid D.C. accounts for tax revenues and outputs.

Drago said...

ARM: "I agree with his criticism of Bush on speaking Spanish."

Stop it. I'm agreeing with you too much.

Humperdink said...

I watched my first minute of the debate with a question to Carson regarding the flat tax. Tapper asks him to respond to Trump. What at asinine type of question by Tapper. Sheesh.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Rand Paul's tax code is insane.

Same with Carson in today's environs, though I like his heart.

Trump is right, like Instapundit wants to end Hollywood tax breaks.

I wonder if Trump likes Hollywood, or will if elected POTUS?

???

Matt said...

Huckabee is an idiot. On every level he is an amateur.
Rubio has too much nuance. Republicans don't like that.
Carson is sllllooooww.
Trump makes faces and brags.
Fiorini is on fire.
Bush looks like he is going to cry.
Cruz is sharp but all rhetoric.
Kasich actually makes sense - therefore dead.
Paul has a brain - and hair!
Walker fighting to stay alive

madAsHell said...

Ya' know. I'm starting to think Carly, and Chris Christie. The Dr. is a nice guy, but he is a neurosurgeon. He's a craftsman.

Anonymous said...

Those who get less than 5% in the polls, do your patriotic duty for once in your life, please drop out. You have no chance in hell to turn the primaries in your favor. So in the next debate, we can really hear what the survivors say. We really can't have another Clinton, an incompetent crook in the WH.

furious_a said...
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furious_a said...

Rangers are giving the Astros Hail Columbia over on Fox Sports.

Browndog said...

Lest we forget, it was only public pressure that allowed Carly on the stage tonight.

Curious George said...

Jake Tapper went native when he took the big CNN bucks. Just another whore.

bleh said...

Fiorina is an absolute animal on that stage. My God. I wouldn't want to go up against her. If I had one thing to criticize it's her lack of warmth. I know. Successful women aren't supposed to be asked to be nice. My bad.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"During an appearance on Meet the Press, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi repeated one of the biggest myths coming out of the Clinton presidency: that the federal debt had been erased, and that we had more than a $5 trillion surplus.

This is totally false.

Here's the transcript from Meet the Press:
REP. PELOSI: ... We came out of the Clinton years $5.6 trillion dollars in surplus, surplus. The Bush policies turn that around. Now we’re $9 trillion dollars debt ceiling when we could’ve been eight—debt-free as a nation by 2008.
There was never a $5.6 trillion surplus at the end of the Clinton Administration.

There was at the end of FY 2001, however, about $3.3 trillion in debt held in federal treasuries, and about $5.7 trillion worth of total debt, including that existing in trust funds and other government accounts.

Read the data here.

The claims that we had erased the federal debt and had gone on to a surplus were based on long-range projections that were totally inaccurate, and had never been realized.

Why then do the Dems continue to repeat this myth?
Posted by Tom Elia in Economics at 13:01 | Comments (12) | Trackbacks (2)"

Anonymous said...

madAsHell said... Ya' know. I'm starting to think Carly, and Chris Christie. The Dr. is a nice guy, but he is a neurosurgeon. He's a craftsman.

You must love Christie. Please spare us of your condescension. Christie is a crook, worse than Trump, an old time politician, a failed governor in a failed state which ranks 48 economically, worse than when Christie found it.

The Dr. is brilliant, he is a neurosurgeon, not a god damned lying failed politician.

tim in vermont said...

"I never attacked him on his looks, and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter there." - Guess Who.

LOL, I am done for the night on that one.

Browndog said...

Every candidate his his/hers flaws, fields of naivete-

If you want a candidate that knows it all, vote Hillary.

pm317 said...

@BDNYC, lack of warmth

Aha, I was trying to figure out what it was that irritates me about her delivery and her (face?).. I think she is taking acting lessons. The pained expression on her face with that exchange with Trump about her face and his comment looked so contrived, (made me say 'grow up').

tim in vermont said...

If you want a candidate that knows it all, vote Hillary

Ha ha ha ha, like what would be a good thing to do in Libya or Syria? That kind of thing?

Guildofcannonballs said...

"What at asinine type of question by Tapper. Sheesh."

The idea is CNN wants things said that you can't go to the website and look up yourself, if you are so inclined.

Their thinking is, with these people fighting for the nom, have them look themselves in the eye and let the people decide on, specifically, where they disagree.

I can see the logic.

The Trump show factor changes everything too.

Bay Area Guy said...

All these folks are exponentially better than Hillary or Bernie.

Anonymous said...

BDNYC said...
Fiorina ...If I had one thing to criticize it's her lack of warmth.

Want her to bake you some cookies next time?

Oh, how warm was Trump, and everybody else on that stage? If you need warmth, go back to your kitchen.

Bob Ellison said...

I'd vote for Lyssa's avatar.

rcocean said...

Carly isn't running for President. She's doing a favor for the RNC and building up her resume. So when Trump trashed her run as HP CEO it really struck home.

Same thing with Trump. He's spent his whole life as a businessman and only 3 months as a politician. He's not going to take anyone dissing his talents as a businessman especially a failed CEO liked CF.

Bravo CNN - well played, should help Jeb. Which was the idea.

rcocean said...

Anyone who thinks CF is going to be nominated or could beat Jeb is crazy.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Did GWB keep us safe from debt, from threats from Chicago?

From Harry and Nancy?

Sonia and Elena?

?

Browndog said...


Ha ha ha ha, like what would be a good thing to do in Libya or Syria? That kind of thing?


Indeed.

From the Travel Office to her "servers", she's never made a mistake. EVER.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Podium or dais?

Titus said...

Scott Walker is like a robot-so sad=I was expecting more from Walker.

Titus said...

OK, I have to go over to South Park!

Curious George said...

"7. The candidates are all sweating like mad. How can they run the government if they can't even run a room in the Reagan Library?"

Uh, that was CNN. Sheeze.

Guildofcannonballs said...

The lesson of history is don't put yourself in a position to pull back, or have traitors like John Kerry or Barack Obama pull back for you?

Bush can't deliever anything. People can pull back on anything he has ever done or will ever do, even if POTUS.

Bush likes the pushing/pulling. Makes him feel like daddy must have felt like.

Browndog said...

Jeb is done.

Adios.

bleh said...

I think the Donald has begun his implosion.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Bush 43: Teddy, please write my education bill Dear Lion Of The United States Senate Sir Esquire M'lord.

Bush would-be 45 can't even pull back from Teddy Kennedy pushing his bro over a decade ago.

Common Core No Child Left Behind Oh Ain't We Grand!?

rcocean said...

Half these guys should do us a favor and drop out. Walker, Christie, Kasich, Rubio, Paul.

Please, just leave while you have some dignity left.

Guildofcannonballs said...

This is a link showing people wondering if debt is a threat that Bush kept us safe from.

rcocean said...

And Huckabee. I forget he was there.

Browndog said...

The Donald cooked his goose 10 minutes into the debate. Then, Jeb! attacked him, and beat him down, resurrecting him.

Trump will come out at least even; maybe a bit of a bump.

Matt said...

Huckabee just took a swipe at Trump without actually saying Trump.

JackWayne said...

I can't stand Christie. I hope this debate ends his run.

Guildofcannonballs said...

'"7. The candidates are all sweating like mad. How can they run the government if they can't even run a room in the Reagan Library?"

Uh, that was CNN. Sheeze."

If hot, Trump should say* "and CNN I know a little about TV, and this set is 90 degrees, we're up here in clothing we don't wear to the beach, you had better up your game a bit. You remeber Nixon/Kennedy? Right? Jake?

*or should have said it as you desire/dream

Browndog said...

The only one to bring up Common Core was Trump.

furious_a said...

And Huckabee. I forget he was there.

Hucka-who?

Humperdink said...

Christie run? That would be a sight.

More like a roll.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"Finally!" I say, and the crowd gives a big cheer, when Jeb says "Let me say one thing about my brother: He kept us safe."

What?! Especially if you were in the WTC in 2001 or in NOLA in 2005. Really safe places to be. Great way to be kept safe from the laudable safety expert GWB.

You are seriously experiencing Alzheimers.

How many thousands of Americans would Obama have to find a way to get killed before you'd proclaim him to be President Safety?

How many Americans do you hope Jedediah Bush can get killed before you'd award him The George W Bush Medal of Presidential Safety?

I now understand your aversion to politics (and science). You should try comics instead. I recommend reading Superman, especially the parts where he interacts with Bizarro world. I think they even see things through fish-eye lenses on that planet.

You'd like it.

sane_voter said...

Anyone who thinks CF is going to be nominated or could beat Jeb is crazy.

Jeb has sunk like a rock since the first debate. The idea he is a front runner and likely nominee at this point is laughable. Carly will pull well ahead of him after this debate. I mean, Jeb is way back in 3rd place in Florida for cripes sake!

Matt said...

Over on Drudge, Trump has already won the debate by a lot How?! Are Trump supporters that stupid? Clearly they are not watching the debate.

rhhardin said...

Carly was an affirmative action hire at Lucent, where as I remember she drove its stock to zero with some scam with her sales team booking sales made with 100% loans to the customer. Great sales but no actual money.

This turned out to be riskier than it looked when the market found out that "Earnings" should be crossed out and replaced with "Air."

But no matter. On to HP, also in need of a woman's touch.

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rcocean said...

"This turned out to be riskier than it looked when the market found out that "Earnings" should be crossed out and replaced with "Air."

LOL. I've never met anyone who worked at HP who liked her. Her whole record is one of failing and then moving upward. Evidently, being a "Beautiful woman" means never having to actually succeed at anything.

Bay Area Guy said...

Carly is very well spoken and very attractive. Has positioned herself nicely for VP slot.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The candidates are all sweating like mad. How can they run the government if they can't even run a room in the Reagan Library?

Repeat this.

Repeat it many times.

You are now beginning to understand the irony of the Republican Party.

rcocean said...

Carson came off as a complete Zero. I want to like the guy but other than being a black guy and a great surgeon I see no reason why he should be President.

Browndog said...

Libs coming on board to bash Carly. I wonder if they'll dig into to Hillary's past-

Pretty sure they won't "accuse" her of being a beautiful woman; thereby making her qualified.

rcocean said...

"Carly is very well spoken and very attractive. Has positioned herself nicely for VP slot."

Except VP's are rarely chosen from failed candidates. Since 1980 only Gore and Bush I have run against the POTUS nominee and been chosen as VPs.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"We're the only ones dumb enough, stupid enough" to have birthright citizenship, says Trump.

I'm starting to wonder if the secret to Trump's political success is telling Republicans they're stupid, and getting them to finally accept it based on the premise that Mexicans are such evil people that we have to be stupid enough to let them into the country.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Jeb saved his best for last.

Timing is important.

Mike said...

Didn't catch the beginning of the debate but impressions...

Carson -- Like
Fiorina -- Sharp. Not sure if I actually like what she is saying, or the way she is saying it.
Trump -- I can see the appeal, but he wears on me fast too. Interesting how he peers over the podium at other speaking candidates.
Bush -- He looks.... awful. And weak. What a loser for butting in to say he smoked weed. So, so lame.
Huckabee -- Only guy up there worse than Bush. But somehow I might prefer him over Bush cause he's such a transparent huckster.
Walker -- Damn he is stretching and he sucks at that. Don't get why he doesn't just focus on what he's good at and wait for the campaign to play out.
Rubio -- Holy crap that tie knot is HUGE - silly but jeez.
Paul -- I like him, but can't warm up to him as president.
Christie -- No thanks. Rudy Guiliani was so much better.
Kasich -- looks off tonight, and cranky.

rhhardin said...

Let him who is without sin cast the first rib.

Browndog said...

other than being a black guy and a great surgeon I see no reason why he should be President.

Reasons to be President:

1)Black guy
2)Eye surgeon
3)something else
4)other things

rcocean said...

Lets be honest about CF. If she was a great HP CEO she would've been re-hired by another big Corporation after HP fired her. Big corporations LOVE the idea of having a great CEO who's a woman.

Instead, she helped McCain lose in 2008, then lost for the Senate in California. And now, she'll lose her race for the POTUS. Make her VP? Why? To Lose?

Lyssa said...

"Except VP's are rarely chosen from failed candidates. Since 1980 only Gore and Bush I have run against the POTUS nominee and been chosen as VPs."

That's not true at all. Biden, Ryan, and Edwards all ran for the nomination.

bleh said...

I stopped watching but from what I saw it seems Fiorina, Rubio and Christie did well, Bush did moderately better than before, Kasich and Walker had opportunities to talk but we're basically non-entities, Carson was nice but still unpolished and less entertaining than before, Cruz was reading bland prepared bits, Huckabee and Paul barely said peep ... and Trump was a disaster.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Someone should promise to indict Hillary.

victoria said...

3 tortuous hours, give me strength. Gag

Browndog, it's not the libs that are attacking Carly, it is Trump, a "conservative Republican." Shame on him. He personally did not file for bankruptcy, it was one of his corporations that did, 4 times. He has carefully and methodically positioned himself as the "most" the "best" the "friend to everyone: Makes me want to vomit. Sooner or later(hopefully sooner) the American public will see that the emperor has no clothes and Trump has no solutions, just self-promotion.

BTW, Kasich seems to make a lot of sense.

Vicki from Pasadena

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rcocean said...

"That's not true at all. Biden, Ryan, and Edwards all ran for the nomination."

Biden didn't run against Obama. Who the hell is Ryan? Did Edwards run against Dukakais?

I'm not talking about VPs who ever ran for POTUS.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump denounced Common Core as a “disaster” and “a way of taking care of the people in Washington” who don’t “give a damn about education” at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa on Saturday.

Trump said, “Common Core has to be ended. It’s a disaster. It’s a way of taking care of the people in Washington that, frankly, I don’t even think they give a damn about education, half of them. And I’m sure some of you maybe do.”'

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/18/trump-common-core-way-of-taking-care-of-the-people-who-dont-give-a-damn-about-ed/

Lyssa said...

It's gotten to the point where whenever Walker speaks, I find myself going "Hey, who's that guy? Oh, yeah, Walker."

rcocean said...

I agree with Victoria. We don't need a nasty "Populist" running for POTUS. Things are great the way they are! We need a respectable, sober, reasonable, middle-of-the-road, don't rock the boat, Republican. Preferably, someone who'll lose gracefully and with class.

Kasich it is!

Bay Area Guy said...

Need much more Hillary bashing. I wanted Carly to call her a liar again.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Fhe debate format was horrible and topics were horrendous. No talk of fed spending, big fat federal govt, entitlement programs looming insolvencies, the Planned Parenthood films should have been discussed maybe ask Dana Bash if she watched the films and whether she'd fund PP, the size and strength of out military, etc.

And they should have brought up Hillary's positions and asked how the Repubs would critique those.

BTW, I wonder why the libruls here are pushing Kasich?

Lyssa said...

Oh, jeeze, Huckabee - not another "War on" something.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Biden never ran against Obama?

Merny11 said...

I like Rubio, Fiorina and hate to Sat this but Trump and Paul

Browndog said...

Libs love Kasich because, Like W, he's willing to "work with them", i.e.; try to earn their love.

Charlie Brown has a new name, Lucy remains the same.

I'm Full of Soup said...

I don't think Biden ran for POTUS in 2008 and Edwards ran for POTUS in 2004 and was chosen as VP candidate but I think Rcocean meant few elected VP's had also run for top spot in the same year they were elected as VP. Losing tickets do seem to tend to try and marry the best of two POTUS primary candidates.

cubanbob said...

For all of the above, they all make Hillary! and Slow Joe look like what they are, dumb and dumber and crooked.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"The Joe Biden presidential campaign, 2008 began when Biden, then the senior Senator from Delaware, announced his candidacy for President of the United States on the January 7, 2007 edition of Meet the Press. He officially became a candidate on January 31, 2007 after filing papers with the Federal Elections Commission."

So, 1980, your starting point, until today, the only exception is Bush/Cheney.

Good point rc.

8 years out of 36 make your point, but you say Gore and Bush I and that excuses 12, plus you forgot Biden and that's 8, so ...

Sure thing.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I like Rubio and Carly tonight. Christie says the right things but I wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw him. Kasich and Bush come off as weak. Walker is trying too hard. Carson just isn't Presidential material. Never did like Paul. Huck is a non factor. Trump just sounds dumb.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Does Carly Fiorina know that marijuana wasn't the drug that killed her child?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

A party that presided over planes being flown into our greatest financial and military institutions in one of the greatest disasters we've faced debates each other in front of what? A plane. A retired plane. Incredible optics for a party that's literally tone-deaf to what the majority of America wants.

Guildofcannonballs said...

This assumes all you people understand one thing:

In 1988 Bush 41 was just V.P. Bush.

You get it?

Ya follow?

He wasn't Bush I in 1988 so I didn't include him in my stats excusing the math, yet I did in inexcusing the math.

So don't trust me: Dear God do not trust me.

pm317 said...

Her child was 35 years old.

Sprezzatura said...

"BTW, I wonder why the libruls here are pushing Kasich?"

I'm a huge fan. I have been since I watched him run the budget markups, on Cspan, that led to a balanced budget.

Anywho, I guess he's not authentically conservative enough for a true conservative, nowadays. Presumably the smart cons, nowadays, have decided it's smart to turn away from the voters of Ohio. Who needs those rubes? Duh.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Warmongering candidates whose party was defined 14 years ago by the age of airline terrorism literally debates in front of an airplane.

Stick a fork in this party, it's done. This is no longer 2001, guys.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"I think Rcocean meant few elected VP's had also run for top spot in the same year they were elected as VP."

Oh I get it: your cabal seeks me.

I feed you; give you strength.

So it is 28 out 36 against, since 1980, minus 8 possible "he wasn't Bush 41 or Bush I or anything but a measly old little V.P. until 1989 which has been accounted for already and we strongly disapprove of double-booking at this establishment Sir!" arguments resulting, still, in a maximum possible 20 out, of 36.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan it's 35 years later and he's the only politician our party feels it can be proud of or admire but somehow we're still relevant."

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I think even having turned the volume down all the way I'm still able to figure out what they're going to say.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Kasich is the only adult in that room. Which makes him eminently unlikeable by Republican standards.

Browndog said...

Trump listened to Carson carefully, and found respect for the man.

That said, I see the libs have awakened for the night shift, and their juvenile snark awaits.

Enjoy yourselves.

rcocean said...

"The debate format was horrible and topics were horrendous."

Exactly. It wasn't a debate it was just an excuse to attack Trump and and provide CNN with some good ratings. We got some serious problems that need to be addressed and all we got was "Showbiz" and snark against Trump.

Sprezzatura said...

"Warmongering candidates whose party was defined 14 years ago by the age of airline terrorism literally debates in front of an airplane.

Stick a fork in this party, it's done. This is no longer 2001, guys."

Hopefully the next debate will be in front of Trump's plane, it's much classier.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Christie would be a great actor. His lines are very practiced and he actually seems like he believes what he says. Plus, he could do great physical comedy.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"...that led to a balanced budget."

But Sir, Kassich claimed tonight he led efforts resulting in "a $5T surplus" where "$5T" is defined, presumably, as five trillion U.S. Dollars.

or US dollars.

Not sure how to put it.

Anyway,

To claim, decades ago, that you helped write a budget with some, ya know, writers of budgets (mish-mash of miscreat lockdowns) resulted in a surplus is disgusting.

You claim he merely balanced the budget, presumably thinking Bill Clinton did that, which is fine (for you to think).

Why would anyone not like politicians throwing out incredible stats, proven wrong, unless to create controversy for idiots?

I've succumbed, so I am biased, natch.

I, mean, c'mon, you know:

suc·cumb
səˈkəm/Submit
verb
past tense: succumbed; past participle: succumbed
fail to resist (pressure, temptation, or some other negative force).
"he has become the latest to succumb to the strain"
synonyms: yield, give in/way, submit, surrender, capitulate, cave in
"she succumbed to temptation"
die from the effect of a disease or injury.

Bill said...

32. What was up with that "Defeat Bloomberg" ad?
Anti gun control?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Hopefully the next debate will be in front of Trump's plane, it's much classier.

Or in the plane, which is more appropriate for the sort of back-room deals they used to get away with.

Chuck said...

If intellectual honesty meant anything, Trump's campaign would have ended tonight with his dimwitted comments about vaccines.

It wasn't just that Trump contradicted the incontrovertible weight of pediatric medicine; he did it in a way that suggested he's never discussed the subject with a serious expert and that he believed he'd get away with the sort of epidemiological science that only passes on "The View."

Trump, for all of his media savvy, is stupid. I have to say it that way, for fans of Trump. They get that kind of language. Trump is a stupid man.

Humperdink said...

Hopefully the next (only???) democrat debate will be in front of a windmill, with a pile of dead birds strewn around it. Vultures circling.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

...comments about vaccines...

Wow. Yeah. I just heard about that now.

On behalf of that guy and whoever else wants to lead your party into the Jenny McCarthy School of Immunology, you have my sympathies.

Apparently even the surgeon Ben Carson agreed.

Sad. Very, very sad.

Bay Area Guy said...

When do we get to see the Dems debate? We need more debates!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

So Chris Christie really said marijuana is a "gateway drug"? Well that makes sense. For him, donuts are a gateway to lap-band surgery.

Guildofcannonballs said...

America, I must say, is stupid.

Obama has changed us.

Old shits won't get it, never will, they just get their Goddamned Social Fucking Security checks. Don't give a damn about other people's debt.

Whatevs.

We don't need you old people, we new school. You ain't shit, never were, and better start writing your memories down in case anyone cares to look in a few decades.

Don't fade away, put all your thoughts down.

Browndog said...

Carly won on her passionate comments in regard to the sub-human practices of Planned Parenthood.

Hardly anyone will attribute it to that, let alone mention it-but, it sticks with you....as it should.

holdfast said...

15. "We're the only ones dumb enough, stupid enough" to have birthright citizenship, says Trump. And he's not buying that it's in the Constitution.

Canada resents that. Canada is just as dumb, stupid.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Trump's campaign would have ended tonight with his dimwitted comments about vaccines."

I've come to hate myself for doubting Obama, mocking our POTUS before the title, when he talked about surgery instead of a pill, or taking out tonsils, or ....

There is corruption everywhere, vaccines are no exeption, and Trump is not dimwitted enough to live in your simple ignorance, where Science and Doctors and Vaccines are smart and every other thought dumb, and the state should/must enforce it with a damn gun.

Grow up unpendant.

You're no didact, certainly not here.

Browndog said...

Canada and America do not have the same "birthright citizen" policy.

Sprezzatura said...

Bill O'Reilly made a comment about Carly's unflinching, expressionless face. Althouse had the same reaction to her face.

Is it possible that folks don't understand what Trump was talking about?







Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

It's not just "Science and Doctors" who are "smart". It's evidence, which is a fancy way of saying "facts". And there is no shred of factual support for the BS about there being a link between vaccines and autism. Trump's resistance (like most others') is simply based on the idea that needles are scary! and therefore many needles equals more scary! and it's nothing new.

But hey. A leader's a leader and he negotiates tough and wrote The Art of the Deal so there you have it.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Canada is just as dumb, stupid."

What do you think Mexican leaders think about their immigration, legal and not, policies, and what Canadian leaders think about Canadian policies?

They both blame America for anything bad and take credit for representing their people's wishes. In Canada broad wishes include "get here please! unless you have certain issues" and in Mexico it's "subcitizen in perpetuity, give me money or get the Hell out until you get me my money."

How could they not? Anything bad must be because of the, undeniable, influence of the U.S.A.

Anything good? Why, it's because of They!



Phil 314 said...

The set up and forum facilitated the raucous back and forth. Its funny my first thought was:

"The Democratic used to be raucous like that and it was proud of it. What happened to the Democratic Party!?"

rcommal said...

Blogger AJ Lynch said...

I don't think Biden ran for POTUS in 2008 and Edwards ran for POTUS in 2004 and was chosen as VP candidate but I think Rcocean meant few elected VP's had also run for top spot in the same year they were elected as VP. Losing tickets do seem to tend to try and marry the best of two POTUS primary candidates.


Both Edwards and Biden ran for president in 2008, at least so far as officially participating in the Iowa caucuses.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Hey let's look at arguments from 1983 on why limiting freedom is for our own good.

Or any other year.

Or, hey, tonight's debate!

Yeah, let's limit freedom for our own good.

With guns blazing just in case. Our heros in blue can't be outgunned like they were in Miami when Pablo Escobar ran things.

No sir!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"The Democratic used to be raucous like that and it was proud of it. What happened to the Democratic Party!?"

After so many years of the other side controlling the agenda and the disastrous results we have to show for it there's less to debate.

MadisonMan said...

I didn't watch. But people in the neighborhood did, as I saw it on several TVs as I walked the dog. Trump was very very red.

Thanks for the summary. Really not much about Walker in the summary. Does that reflect the actual debate?

Sprezzatura said...

It was interesting to see the three Senators explain why they didn't authorize a military response to the Syria's redline crossing.

1) Too much bombing and creating power vacuums for Muslim nuts to fill
2) Not enough bombing and creating power vacuums for democracy lovers to take power
3) BHO = POTUS, hence always NO



holdfast said...

@Browndog

Um, yes they pretty much do, and it is an anomoly among western nations.

I found this to be interesting:

The following are among the nations repealing Birthright Citizenship in recent years:
•Australia (2007)
•New Zealand (2005)
•Ireland (2005)
•France (1993)
•India (1987)
•Malta (1989)
•UK (1983)
•Portugal (1981)


https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

chickelit said...

I agree with R & B -- there shouldn't be any Democrat debates; Hillary should just be crowned.

Sprezzatura said...

MM,

Fox says Walker had the least time. Around 7 minutes.

Trump w/ the most time had 18, or so.

It doesn't take long to say that you bust unions in WI, and you'll bust unions in the US, and you'll bust the evil Islam folks because you survived WI's petition signers, protesters and would be assassins.

chickelit said...

Browndog said...
Carly won on her passionate comments in regard to the sub-human practices of Planned Parenthood.

Hardly anyone will attribute it to that, let alone mention it-but, it sticks with you....as it should.


Agree. And you're right -- no one will mention it, let alone link to a clip. It's too devastating.

chickelit said...

Trump lost the most and Fiorina gained the most. It will take a few days for polls to reflect this but they will.

chickelit said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

After so many years of the other side controlling the agenda and the disastrous results we have to show for it there's less to debate.

Also, how dare anyone question the Queen's authority!

Drago said...

chickelit: "Also, how dare anyone question the Queen's authority!"

When did Elton John show up?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Also, how dare anyone question the Queen's authority!

You may be right.

After one too many nonsensical articles on Hillary's new-and-improved upcoming attempt to appear genuine the NYT commenters were pissed PISSED, I TELL YOU, at the coronation of Hillary and lack of coverage of Bernie Sanders - whom they completely adore. They think there's an actual muzzling campaign going on over there and I have a feeling they might actually be right.

Drago said...

It is my understanding that Althouse is a gateway blog.

It seems innocent enough, but soon you find yourself posting DailyKos. Soon thereafter it's DemocratUnderground.

At that point you have but months to live.

ndspinelli said...

Cubs beat the Bucs 3-2 in 12 innings. That was what you all should have watched.

chickelit said...

Rhythm and Balls said...
Kasich is the only adult in that room. Which makes him eminently unlikeable by Republican standards.

He's the only one I wonder why keeps getting foisted on us. He is by far the weakest. Even Huckabee shown for a couple of moments by comparison. But what do I know. After voting D for the first half of my voting life, I started questioning myself.

MadisonMan said...

@PBandJ_and&c: Thanks!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

FFS the guy's a total socialist and was the first Democrat to speak at anything having to do with Jerry Falwell let alone speak at the guy's actual university, got a fair and decently received hearing, and it was fucking buried in the NYT even further down than it might have been in the rest of the MSM. I think there's something amiss and if you guys can tie something foul afoot with it back to her and Bill's bullshit charity prop machine then you have my blessing. It's one thing who wins but a totally different thing to not do it fair and square and go completely over to a system that even the goddamn Republicans are done playing with!

a psychiatrist who learned from veterans said...

Fiorina made a good thematic comment in re: Trump. He may be entertaining, speak truth to power and be inspiring, what could be possible if you hire me?, but he also is skilled at bankruptcy and bankrupt statements. Bush was singularly responsible for electing Obama? Like Bush didn't ask for better control of Fannie Mae lending and was repulsed by Barney Frank and other Democrats. Reserve requirements had nothing to do with it? Trump is a rich man who walks away from his debts and doesn't have humility. We could have fun going to ruin with him. Given the choice I'd ride with Biden, who thought Iraq should be divided into 3 parts, even though I'd prefer a better investment climate.

Sprezzatura said...

chick,

It's smart to assume that a guy who is a winner in Ohio should be the opposite of what the Rs need as a presidential candidate.

Go with Arkansas!!!!!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I don't know what you mean by weakest. He's got the best record in running things in government out of all of them. Sure he might have compromised or at least decided to give up when 70% of the electorate opposed him (bashing unions) but if you honestly believe a war like that is worth continuing then you must have a completely different standard for what constitutes an effective political leader than I think almost anyone else would.

chickelit said...

Fiorina was certainly the most eloquent speaker in terms of pure delivery and style.

I think the dress made her look Thatcher-esque. That is an advantage that any woman has on that kind of stage. The men all look alike and differ only in neckwear.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

If only Thatcher were as popular in the UK as she is in the RNC.

Browndog said...

holdfast said...

@Browndog

Um, yes they pretty much do, and it is an anomoly among western nations.


Um, no.

"pretty much" is night and day.

If you want to know, read and learn. If not, just grab something simple to affirm your notion.

rcommal said...

After voting D for the first half of my voting life, I started questioning myself

Hmmmm.

Sprezzatura said...

"Fiorina was certainly the most eloquent speaker in terms of pure delivery and style.

I think the dress made her look Thatcher-esque. That is an advantage that any woman has on that kind of stage. The men all look alike and differ only in neckwear."

Discussing her blue dress is a lot more tasteful than the last time cons were focused on a blue dress.

eric said...

What I'm wondering at this point is, why do the Republicans have debates and disagreements, but the Democrats hide?

Guildofcannonballs said...

The takeaway, not that y'all will understand, is Jeb should have waited till 2020.

It doesn't take . . .

Drago said...

R&B's: "If only Thatcher were as popular in the UK as she is in the RNC."

Well, longest serving Prime Minister in the 20th century and the only woman.

That should probably count for something.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Hell, if anyone invents a time machine, I will donate $20 to Jeb's 2020 campaign if he decides, in the future, to not run in 2016.

Drago said...

PB&J: "Discussing her blue dress is a lot more tasteful than the last time cons were focused on a blue dress."

Bill Clinton is a "con"?

Guildofcannonballs said...

Romney's blessings........

.......................................................................................

And that's it. Book it. Wrap it.

Drago said...

Guildofcannonballs: "Hell, if anyone invents a time machine, I will donate $20 to Jeb's 2020 campaign if he decides, in the future, to not run in 2016."

A 2020 $20, or a 2016 $20?

Drago said...

In the future hindsight is always $20$20.

Jim S. said...

Carly Fiorina is the most presidential person I can recall having run for President in quite a while.

Guildofcannonballs said...

This poetry by Bobby Ritchie from Michigan, USA, represents the struggle to many today can Identify, I I Identify with, like those from around the world displaced:


Guess who's back? haha
I used to be broke, confused..no joke
Got used, smoked dope, paid dues
Refused to give up quick,
Now theres 10 million motherfuckers on my dick
So what, say how, say who
Fuck what, fuck me, fuck you
Come clean, you know I will
Drink a fifth of Jim Beam and still stand still uh
I'm the illest fool
Cooler than the water in a swimmin' pool
Fly like a seagul, kickin' like a mule
More jams than a beetle from Liverpool
I deliver fool
Now who the fuck are you?
I'm Kid motherfuckin' Rock from the old school
Got more money, than Matchbox 20
Get more ass than Mark McGrath

[Chorus:]
They say I'm cocky, and I say What?
It ain't braggin' motherfucker if ya back it up
They say I'm cocky, and I say What?
It ain't braggin' motherfucker if ya back it up

I'm from the outskirts of Detroit rock city
A shirts, Cadillacs, big titties
Skinny models you can keep those
I like big corn fed mid western hoes
Don't you know? Talk fast, pimp slow
Show up to black ties in t-shirts and slippers
Sippin' liquor, fuck models, love strippers
Known as the big tipper with the big dipper
I got queens holdin' keys to my zipper
Fuck a real good girl, I got the baddest bitch in the world

[Chorus]

You think you got it good in Hollywood
I got acres of land laid back in the woods
Holdin' shares, cool like Fonzy
Rollin' Lake St. Clair in my 40 ft. donzy
You got a Bentley? Wow!
I got jets with wet bars and trucks with gold plows
Bitch bow when I pimp through
For the Kid the Rock the red, white and blue
Who knew the Kid would be
Everything from old George Jones to Jay Z
Baby I'm sick of gettin ripped off
So pissed 'bout to be pissed off
Mackin' me cause you know I'm paid
That's why I'm clapin' my gardeners and fuckin' my maids
Nevermind my age but if we're takin' number
15 million sold motherfucker

[Chorus x2]

Now KId Rock got to hae yolties o

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

It sounds like it was a good debate.

Matt Taibbi wants to find a way to cast it.

Guildofcannonballs said...

It would most-likely be $20 in 2019 valuations notwithstanding lessons spanning centuries realized, most uneveryday, over centuries and perhaps millenia, hence creedence to Ben Franklin, Ann Althouse, and John Locke.

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