Althouse: Trump says Megyn Kelly had "blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."

August 8, 2015

Trump says Megyn Kelly had "blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."

He went menstrual on her.

120 comments:

Bob Ellison said...: Ed Driscoll's post on this at Instapundit drew out all of the pro-Trump nutcases. 248 comments right now, with the top-rated ones all of the mixed-nut variety.

I predict this thread won't go quite as far, but it should top the magic comment wall of 200.; 8/8/15, 7:50 AM
Amadeus 48 said...: I just saw Trump supporters called Trumpkins. Sounds about right.; 8/8/15, 7:53 AM
Patrick said...: Did he go there, or are you projecting?; 8/8/15, 8:00 AM
alan markus said...: When I saw this "trending" earlier this morning, I sort of expected to see it here.

Menstruating woman runs marathon without tampon to break taboos around periods; 8/8/15, 8:02 AM
Eric the Fruit Bat said...: If Ms Kelly doesn't menstruate, then I've been mispronouncing her first name all along.; 8/8/15, 8:04 AM
MayBee said...: I'm no Trump supporter, but wherever means wherever. He was talking about her being beaten up, right? So he could have just not known whatever part to say. Could have been nose, mouth.

Just because she's a woman, we don't need to go all "He insulted a woman in a woman-y way!" all the time.; 8/8/15, 8:04 AM
MayBee said...: I mean, he insults men and we don't all hit the fainting couch.; 8/8/15, 8:05 AM
traditionalguy said...: Wait a minute. Menstrual blood is sexist words. It is also men's secret advantage over women that men use to curse 52% of the population.

How will men ever make it fair and equal? Will electing an old woman like Hillary make the periodic pains go away?; 8/8/15, 8:08 AM
Misinforminimalism said...: I understand Trump's appeal as a bombast, but I really can't fathom why anyone would support such a shameless narcissist. If you support him because you think he's with you on some issue or another, that's only because he hasn't gotten around to disagreeing with you yet. All it takes is some perception that there's some advantage to be had, maybe now, maybe in a dozen years, and he'll do a 180 and attack you for noticing it.

He's an assclown. Very much looking forward to his expiration date.; 8/8/15, 8:09 AM
MayBee said...: I'm sure there are people who really support Trump, but I think he's mostly a reaction to the "shame!" culture we've started to develop. The culture where you aren't even supposed to talk about certain sides of some issues because it's just too shameful and wrong to hold those opinions.
Like not being able to say anything bad about illegal immigration, or seeing videos of people asking for their free stuff and saying "that's ugly". Or being called a bigot for not agreeing with gay marriage.

People will only shut up for so long, especially when they hold completely legitimate opinions. When a bombast comes along, it is music to some ears.; 8/8/15, 8:18 AM
Paul said...: You guys know Trump has gone bankrupt several times, right?

Now you want a crude mouthed man who 'saved' his empire by ripping off investors time after time to be president?

Like I keep saying, he is a used car salesman (but I'm beginning to think I'm insulting the salesmen.); 8/8/15, 8:24 AM
Michael K said...: I think most Trump fabs, the radical ones who write nasty comments, are the same people who supported Perot and who are not necessarily Republican voters, They are libertarian Paul fanatics, LIVs and some Republicans who seem to be so angry that nonsense sounds good to them. Trump has no policies. Just bombast. I wonder how long it will go on as desirable?; 8/8/15, 8:27 AM
traditionalguy said...: I suspect today's faux anger is not coming from Trump or Trumpkins at all. The anger is coming from very suppressed people who are jealous when the Terrible Trump uses free speech tools in verbal fights that are forbidden to them by the Church Ladies they have lived their lives in cringing fear of and call it using good manors.; 8/8/15, 8:27 AM
Michael K said...: Trump fans.; 8/8/15, 8:28 AM
Hagar said...: I have little sympathy for investors in Trump schemes crying about their losses. That's like complaining about going broke in las Vegas.

Most of the time I cannot make out what Trump is saying, so I can't say I "support" him other than as I support the Marx brothers in Marx brothers movies.; 8/8/15, 8:32 AM
William said...: I guess the crudity and the bombast just serve to further bond him with his supporters. But come on. Is it absolutely necessary to gratuitously insult everyone.who isn't a supporter?....... I don't see Trump winning a lot of the undecided female vote, although, as he would say, they're just a bunch of dumb cunts anyway.........Also I don't see Trump as a small government conservative. If he gets power, his instinct will be to increase not diminish that power.; 8/8/15, 8:35 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "I'm no Trump supporter, but wherever means wherever. He was talking about her being beaten up, right? So he could have just not known whatever part to say. Could have been nose, mouth."

I think he meant to express the idea that she was angry, not that she'd gotten beaten up. Show me the text that makes you think otherwise.

To my bloody eyes, "her wherever" means her the-word-I'm-being-coy-about-not-saying. Her vagina.; 8/8/15, 8:35 AM
Anonymous said...: MayBee: I'm sure there are people who really support Trump, but I think he's mostly a reaction to the "shame!" culture we've started to develop.[...]

People will only shut up for so long, especially when they hold completely legitimate opinions. When a bombast comes along, it is music to some ears.

Exactly, Maybee. Trump is a clown, and clowns belong in a circus. So he's right where he ought to be, and it infuriates the sad clowns of the party faithful, who are still taking the whole tawdry circus act seriously. (You gotta wonder about people who can apparently notice that Trump is a clown, but think Megyn Kelly is a Serious Person.); 8/8/15, 8:36 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "In an interview with Don Lemon on "CNN Tonight," Trump on Friday accused Fox of asking "vicious," unfair questions..."

That is, she was inappropriately angry and out for blood.

Not that she was reduced to a bloody pulp.

Discuss.; 8/8/15, 8:37 AM
John henry said...: This just seems like the women in binders of 2016. If not for people trying to spend it this way I would never have even noticed the menstration reference.

Needs a more political bullshit tag

And less faux outrage

John Henry; 8/8/15, 8:37 AM
traditionalguy said...: The myth that Trump has no policies is ridiculous tripe.He has policies of stopping intentional stupidity now running the USA into the ground and winning again in every competitive area.

Having a sweet tone while cooperating with the Dems in surrendering our military supremacy and redistributiion of our prosperity to world wide cronies for a cut of the loot is the ultimate non-policy.; 8/8/15, 8:37 AM
Brando said...: I really don't see the appeal in this jerk. There's being Un-PC, then there's just being a petulant, childish douchebag. Kelly asked him straightforward questions and only a whiny diltard could consider them "gotcha." Maybe "gotcha" now means "qurpestions I can't answer because I don't want to think too much."

He's all but telegraphed that he wants to throw this election for Hillary, he's a leftist on most important issues, and a boorish lout on top of that. I like straight talk, but rudeness is for overgrown children. Enough with this jerk, time to focus on the real candidates and try to win despite this Clintonian plot.; 8/8/15, 8:38 AM
iowan2 said...: So we get no examination of the questions asked of the candidates? FOX deemed they were the Gods that selected who the 'real' candidates are. A lot of the questions had nothing to do with today's political landscape.

Oh, and Trump did accuse Kelly of being hormonal. Chris Mathews on the other hand dismissed Kelly as a wanna be trying to make a name for herself. But of course being a misogynist is fine if its a leftist slamming a conservative that far exceeds his own ratings.; 8/8/15, 8:40 AM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Kelly is just following Murdoch's orders. Trump is right to dismiss her as an inconsequential underling.; 8/8/15, 8:40 AM
MayBee said...: "I think he meant to express the idea that she was angry, not that she'd gotten beaten up. Show me the text that makes you think otherwise. "

How can I show you the text that makes me think what I think?; 8/8/15, 8:42 AM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Trump walks amongst the Gods, he doesn't need all these little underlings like Kelly getting in his way. How many billions does she command?; 8/8/15, 8:43 AM
SGT Ted said...: Maybee: I mean, he insults men and we don't all hit the fainting couch.

Exactly. The drama queenery that supposes women are frail fragile flowers who can't take the heat of political society is really sexist.; 8/8/15, 8:43 AM
rhhardin said...: I've been urging Kroger to put greeting cards in the "feminine needs" aisle too.; 8/8/15, 8:43 AM
MayBee said...: I mean, I haven't studied my Trump-isms this morning. He could have meant angry. That could still mean anything.

In the long run, this is not the important issue upon which we should be focusing our electoral attentions.; 8/8/15, 8:43 AM
rhhardin said...: Women really can't take the heat of political society. It's not fake.

Look at how they vote.; 8/8/15, 8:44 AM
SGT Ted said...: Given the way the GOP establishment has kicked the non-progressives in the party to the curb in favor of corporate donors, it deserves Donald Trump.; 8/8/15, 8:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Amadeus 48: I just saw Trump supporters called Trumpkins. Sounds about right.

Apparently conservakins can't even coin original insults.; 8/8/15, 8:48 AM
Phil 314 said...: ARM eggs on the crazies.; 8/8/15, 8:50 AM
MacMacConnell said...: I was very disappointed in the FOX debates. Seems it was mostly about the FOX personalities trying to impress each other. The process would have been better had they just ask policy questions instead of trying to stir shit up between participants.; 8/8/15, 8:52 AM
SGT Ted said...: "IT'S MORE WAR ON WOMYNZ AND THE SACRED VAJAY! HE MUST BE SHAMED AND PILLORIED!! EGT THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!"

It's like that and its gotten real tedious.; 8/8/15, 8:54 AM
Dr.D said...: The sooner Trump drops out the sooner we have some chance to get serious about the presidency. He is just a clown, a buffoon, a showman. He would make a terrible president. He does not have the right temperament for the job.; 8/8/15, 8:54 AM
traditionalguy said...: The culture of the 1950s was a patriarchy of protective men giving the prootected submitted women courtesy and honor by always using pretty speech to women, but reserving the blasphemous vulgar talk for the all men competitive world.

Today the women are the killer competitors with more than equal equality awarded to them as a given, but still the old pretty speech only by men in the presence of submissive women rules are still claimed to be in full force and effect.

Then along comes Trump who refuses to obey rules that are rigged for him to lose the competition.Why should he?

That is Trumps message. We need to STOP agreeing to lose in competitions all over the globe before we are finished off by political correctness induced suicide.; 8/8/15, 8:56 AM
Bay Area Guy said...: Trump has some rough edges, no doubt. He's not my first choice. He's more of a celebrity than a serious candidate.

However, he's absolutely right when he boasts that nobody was talking about illegal immigration, until he raised the issue (albeit in a loud, provocative way); 8/8/15, 8:59 AM
Bruce Hayden said...: I find this whole episode interesting. The big debate got a record audience. Why? One part of it was the expectation of Kelly going after Trump. When it strikes her fancy, she can do a brutally good job at it, and is one of the few who could possibly get a piece of Trump. And, from his response, may have succeeded there. I think, in the long run, it may have worked - it may be fun to have someone be able to take on the media successfully, but it is getting harder to believe in someone with his personality, including such thin skin, in the White House. Not even Hillary! would be as bad as Obama - but Trump would likely be worse. We are seeing his vicious mean streak (thanks here to Kelly), and it isn't pretty.

He is also showing why he wouldn't be able to beat Hillary! She showed how she could play the victim when running for the Senate the first. Her opponent came across as a bully when intruding on her space in that debate, and the race may have been over at that point. Imagine what she could do with an attack from Trump, and I think it unlikely that he could control himself of, and keep from bullying the entire campaign. No wonder her husband was apparently happy with him running. Trump is a professional bully, and sympathy for being bullied is maybe the only way that she is going to be able to overcome her corruption, unlikeability, and other political deficits.; 8/8/15, 9:07 AM
Bay Area Guy said...: Not to bore anyone with a few facts, but the GOP since its nadir in 2008, has done extremely well:

House: 178 to 246 (net + 68)
Senate: 41 to 54 (net + 13)
Governors: 22 to 31 (net + 9)

It has vast majorities in the State Legislatures, too.

Admittedly, its glaring weakness has been at the Presidential level (Where it counts the most).

I would urge patience. Trump is likely a fad, albeit a colorful one. He certainly adds some moxy and entertainment value to the process. Anyone interested in what Hillary and Bernie are saying? No, they are boring Leftists.

It takes time to turn around a big ship heading in the wrong direction. Our country is that ship. Because the demographics have changed, we're not going to get another Ronald Reagan to fight the good fight, to steer us back on course. We will have to make due with a lesser politician. But this is a winnable election. We may have to settle for Jeb!, but any of those folks are preferable to Hillary and her steady march towards Alinsky-esque Leftism.; 8/8/15, 9:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Mac McConnell: The process would have been better had they just ask policy questions instead of trying to stir shit up between participants.

Feature, not a bug. Shit is stirred for the purpose of avoiding serious policy questions. (See, "Squirrel!".); 8/8/15, 9:28 AM
Darrell said...: Ever hear of the expression "he was so mad that he was spitting blood?" Does that come out of a fighter's vagina?; 8/8/15, 9:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Brando: Enough with this jerk, time to focus on the real candidates and try to win despite this Clintonian plot.

Nobody would be paying any attention to this jerk if the "real candidates" made even a pretense of representing the interests of the people whose votes they want.

They can't, though, because the interests of the people that they do represent have diverged so completely from the interests of ordinary voters, instead of being roughly in alignment, as was the case in the past. Thus we get ridiculous circus acts where any issue of real import is ruthlessly excluded from any officially sanctioned debate, and somebody like Trump gets traction.; 8/8/15, 9:34 AM
Michael K said...: "He has policies of stopping intentional stupidity now running the USA into the ground and winning again in every competitive area."

Would you mind listing a couple of his policies ?

Kelly was like a giddy schoolgirl at the debate. Fox News did not look good. I understand the moderator of the afternoon debate was better but I was at work.; 8/8/15, 9:40 AM
JT said...: Please, just stop all the hand wringing and pearl clutching. This is a manufactured controversy that is being twisted to suit political agendas. If you listen to the interview with Trump on Don Lemon's show, he made the same "blood from his eyes" reference about Chris Wallace. Where's the outrage and rush to defend Wallace?

Just because Megan Kelly has a vagina doesn't mean that's what Trump was referencing with his "wherever" comment. I thought women wanted to be treated equally. Isn't that the mantra we've been hearing for the last 50 years? If that's the case, you can't have it both ways. Stop pulling the delicate flower card when someone like Trump, an equal opportunity offender, shoots his mouth off and insults a woman just like he insults men. What we're essentially saying here is it's ok for Megan Kelly to knife Trump with her line of questioning (which I'm not saying isn't valid), but as soon as Trump fights back and expresses his displeasure in the way he always does he's "crossed the line."

If he's not right about anything else, Trump certainly knows what he's talking about with the thoughts he's expressed on political correctness in this country.; 8/8/15, 9:46 AM
Hagar said...: And Wallace looked worse.

Anyway, it is 15 months to go before the election. Trump is creating havoc with the media pundits, and that is all good.; 8/8/15, 9:47 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: If Megyn Kelly had real guts, she would have played a minute of a Planned Parenthood video [during the debate]and asked the candidates for their reactions and their ideas as to what they would do if they were president today.; 8/8/15, 9:49 AM
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Amadeus 48 said...: It is pretty clear where this is going. Trump is not a Republican. When his time at the top is over, he'll endorse Hillary! and call the GOP nominee a loser.; 8/8/15, 9:55 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: I like Megyn Kelly and I watch her from time to time. I like her act. But... she's selling T&A... big time. I'm not saying she's not smart. She is. But, she's playing it both ways. She doing the Hollywood diva act with her makeup and costume, posing in pictures in which she flaunts it... and then bitching because we notice.

Joking that she's on the rag and that's the reason she's acting like a bitch is funny. There is no reason to kiss her ass and exempt her from rough humor, even if you're a candidate for president.

Same thing with saying Althouse is a fag hag. She is a fag hag. For God alone knows what reason, she's turned on by men fucking one another in shitty assholes. She does want to pussify and faggotize men. It turns her on. Mentioning this, or joking about it, is just acknowledging reality.

Who in the fuck knows why Althouse adopted the twisted, demented sexual kinks that turn her own? I suspect that she adopted them as ideological status markers.

The notion that we should be "polite" and not notice or speak about the prof's dreary, crappy fag hag sexuality is bullshit. It's an important piece of info about how and why she has adopted the creepy sexual politics of the HR Department feminist world saver.; 8/8/15, 9:58 AM
rhhardin said...: If it bleeds, it leads.; 8/8/15, 9:58 AM
Ambrose said...: Being the cause of Candidate Trump's demise should up Megyn's bona fides.; 8/8/15, 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/8/15, 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Bay Area Guy: Not to bore anyone with a few facts, but the GOP since its nadir in 2008, has done extremely well:

House: 178 to 246 (net + 68)
Senate: 41 to 54 (net + 13)
Governors: 22 to 31 (net + 9)

It has vast majorities in the State Legislatures, too.

And yet, here we are.

It takes time to turn around a big ship heading in the wrong direction. Our country is that ship. Because the demographics have changed, we're not going to get another Ronald Reagan to fight the good fight, to steer us back on course. We will have to make due with a lesser politician. But this is a winnable election. We may have to settle for Jeb!, but any of those folks are preferable to Hillary and her steady march towards Alinsky-esque Leftism.

"Because the demographics have changed" we will continue our steady march toward cronyism, corruption, redistribution of dwindling middle-class wealth to client populations, etc., and no, electing ¡Jeb! is not going to slow that down.

But this is a winnable election.

What are we going to win?; 8/8/15, 10:05 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Trump was clearly saying that Kelly was being a bitch. I didn't watch the debate because I don't give a shit who's president, but reading the post mortem, it does appear she was being a bitch.

The content of her complaint was bitchery. Very large numbers of women are behaving like rotten, spoiled, vicious, loathsome cunts... to a great degree because feminist indoctrination taught them that behaving in this fashion is clever.

Kelly is rich and powerful. American women are rich and powerful. Hell, we let them slaughter near full time babies, chop them into pieces and resell them to the highest bidder. Look at Althouse. She claims this brutality and viciousness as her right.

Chivalry toward women is mostly a dead issue because so many of them are behaving like vicious cunts. Men are having a hard time adjusting to this reality. I'll treat a woman with old fashioned respect and chivalry if she plays by the traditional rules. If she doesn't, I'll treat her just like a man confronting me in a backyard fight.; 8/8/15, 10:11 AM
JackOfVA said...: So, how much trouble would Trump be in if he said that Chris Wallace's obnoxious questions were compensation for Wallace having a small "Johnson"?

As said by other commenters here, if Miss Megan wants to be treated like one of the boys, she shouldn't be surprised when that actually happens.

Reminds me of an elementary school spat ... "teacher, I insulted Donald and then he insulted me. Make him stop."

Whether Trump would make a good president or not remains undecided in my view, but in words attributed to Lincoln (unclear whether he actually said them):

When some one charged Gen. Grant, in the President’s hearing, with drinking too much liquor, Mr. Lincoln, recalling Gen. Grant’s successes, said that if he could find out what brand of whisky Grant drank, he would send a barrel of it to all the other commanders.

There was not a single other candidate at the debate (JV or main event) other than Trump that stood up biased media questions. A barrel of whatever Trump drinks to all the other candidates wouldn't be such a bad idea.; 8/8/15, 10:28 AM
The Godfather said...: Aside from the bloody wherever remark -- and there's no real doubt about what Trump meant -- what struck me was his whining about how Kelly and others picked on him, poor dear. If he can't take it from Fox News, he better get out before he gets in the sights of the real liberal media.; 8/8/15, 10:30 AM
Hagar said...: There seems to be a lot of whining from the poor dears that Trump is picking on them.; 8/8/15, 10:38 AM
Bay Area Guy said...: @Angelyne

What are we going to win?

8/8/15, 10:05 AM
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Great succinct question. We win the opportunity to resist the long steady march towards Leftist utopian Statism.; 8/8/15, 10:39 AM
UNTRIBALIST said...: Megyn Kelly being smeared on conservative web sites with and old Howard Stern show recording.

http://shoebat.com/2015/08/08/an-old-recording-of-megyn-kelly-talking-about-penises-breasts-and-how-she-has-sex-proves-trump-was-right-kelly-is-absolute-trash/; 8/8/15, 10:46 AM
Hagar said...: I once saw a stand-up comic - it might hjave been Jonathan Winters; someone much like him anyway - give a dining room patron a lesson in why civilians should not try to heckle professional comics.

TV hosts being essentially stand-up comics doing reality shows, one would think they would have more sense than to try to heckle another pro with his own microphone.; 8/8/15, 10:56 AM
D.E. Cloutier said...: As every novelist, screenwriter, and magazine writer knows, "the story begins when the conflict begins and the story ends when the conflict ends."

Kelly and Trump know that, too.; 8/8/15, 10:57 AM
Bay Area Guy said...: Compared to prior GOP debates, this one was practically Lincoln-Douglas. Who can forget the raise your hand to evolution question to McCain?

Trump was not so bad, and neither was Megyn.; 8/8/15, 11:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Bay Area Guy: Great succinct question. We win the opportunity to resist the long steady march towards Leftist utopian Statism.

No, you don't, you deluded twat.; 8/8/15, 11:03 AM
Achilles said...: Saying that she was bleeding from wherever is so passive. If he had just come out and said "Megan was just being a giant tool for Ailes and the GOP establishment. She needs to stop acting like a B and ask meaningful questions" he would be at %50 now because I totally agree.

But getting elected isn't Trump's goal. He is getting Hillary elected.; 8/8/15, 11:09 AM
Hagar said...: Trump may not have any goal other than being Trump.; 8/8/15, 11:13 AM
Hagar said...: and probably to somehow make some money off the publicity, or something.; 8/8/15, 11:17 AM
Brando said...: Angelyne, I see your point and while we disagree on many issues my question is this--if the problem is GOP leaders not doing what they should, how exactly is Trump a solution to this? He seems far less serious than anyone else. This would be like getting mad that your doctor is incompetent and deciding to have your gardener treat you instead.

I'd like to see change myself--our budget is a mess (sure, we're no longer running trillion dollar deficits but we're still in the hundreds of billions, entitlements are only growing more, and this while we're supposed to be several years into a recovery!), China is an antagonist growing stronger all the time, and the workforce is shrinking. But picking a guy who has long been a leftist, who until March was a Clinton supporter, and offers nothing remotely resembling a solution seems pointless.; 8/8/15, 11:38 AM
rhhardin said...: The original on her knees comment Megyn brought up wasn't the sexual remark it was made out to be.

That might have struck Trump as Megyn's being sex obsessed as well as unfair.; 8/8/15, 11:48 AM
Original Mike said...: "To my bloody eyes, "her wherever" means her the-word-I'm-being-coy-about-not-saying. Her vagina."

I think you give Trump too much credit for having a cogent thought behind his utterances. He doesn't seem able to speak in complete sentences, or more likely he doesn't care enough to try. He just says shit.; 8/8/15, 11:53 AM
D.E. Cloutier said...: Achilles: "But getting elected isn't Trump's goal. He is getting Hillary elected."

I've read that claim in the comments at several websites. Please give us some details about the plan.

Meanwhile, I have three questions:

1. CEOs cut to the bottom line as quickly as possible. They usually don't do in two steps something they can do in one. If Trump wanted to launch a third-party effort to hurt Republicans, why didn't he do that from the beginning?

2. Trump is 69 years old. When in the past has he played second fiddle to somebody else?

3. Currently Trump is under attack for "insulting women." Why would someone who "insults women" support a woman for President?; 8/8/15, 11:53 AM
Æthelflæd said...: Serious question here - I can't find where Kelly herself has complained about this at all. She seems to be dealing with Trump in exactly the way he should be dealt with, by ignoring him.

As Greg Gutfeld has said, there is a difference between not being PC and just being lewd. I am not gonna demand he be banned from Republican events, or get my knickers in a wad over it, but Trump just confirmed to me he is exactly what I thought he was. He has no business being president.; 8/8/15, 11:59 AM
dreams said...: The rule is women can bad mouth men but it isn't nice for a man to say anything critical in response, and I've provided a link of an example courtesy that nasty gossip show The View.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rosie+o'donnell+rant+against+donald+trump+on+the+view.&FORM=VIRE4#view=detail&mid=168044E3FF4A851F23C8168044E3FF4A851F23C8; 8/8/15, 12:05 PM
Brando said...: D?E.Cloutier--supporting someone who can be in a position to further help a well connected billionaire developer isn't playing second fiddle--it's a grander, more attention grabbing way than writing her a check (which he admitted to). Second, while he says a lot of lewd things about women, I don't think he means them any more than he's really against illegal immigration. As for not going third party right away, this makes perfect sense, as he gets to be on the debate stage with the other candidates to better attack them, and by pretending to be a right winger it makes it more likely that later he can get more votes from right leaning voters than left leaning ones. How can it hurt to do it this way?

There's no smoking gun for this theory of course--if it ever came out the Clintons would be cooked--but everything is unfolding perfectly from their standpoint. And a big chunk of the GOP base is walking right into it.; 8/8/15, 12:10 PM
Æthelflæd said...: dreams said...
"The rule is women can bad mouth men but it isn't nice for a man to say anything critical in response, and I've provided a link of an example courtesy that nasty gossip show The View."

No, the rule is that people running for president need to have more class and self-control than people on daytime TV.; 8/8/15, 12:13 PM
dreams said...: The appeal of Trump is his willingness to provide some pushback to the left wing bullies, he shut up that bully Rosie O'Donnell and the overrated though extremely attractive and also silly Megyn Kelly will be a little more circumspect in the future when confronting "The Donald".; 8/8/15, 12:28 PM
cf said...: I really don't care about any of this, but I find the following an excellent mirror of our current President. Instead of [trump] read

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Blogger Misinforminimalism said...
I understand [Obama]'s appeal as a bombast, but I really can't fathom why anyone would support such a shameless narcissist. If you support him because you think he's with you on some issue or another, that's only because he hasn't gotten around to disagreeing with you yet. All it takes is some perception that there's some advantage to be had, maybe now, maybe in a dozen years, and he'll do a 180 and attack you for noticing it.

He's an assclown. Very much looking forward to his expiration date.

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Works well doesn't it? So, Trump is late, we needed him four years ago, thanks for playing.; 8/8/15, 12:34 PM
D.E. Cloutier said...: Brando, in my opinion, you outstretched Aéropostale's "Seriously Stretchy Jeans." But thank you for the creative response.; 8/8/15, 12:36 PM
Quaestor said...: Apparently Trump can't govern himself, not the best attribute considering the office being sought.

Anyone with his mouth wired securely to his brain would be loath to expose himself to the ridicule, misinterpretation, misquotation, and disingenuous commentary that such a comment would inevitably draw when there are ten thousand ways to say the same thing more clearly, such as Megyn Kelly's questions put to me were particularly hostile, or I wish I could have fielded a few of those softballs Megyn Kelly granted to so generously to the other candidates.

Anyone with even one finger on the political pulse of the time would realize that an ill-consider quip, no matter how innocuous can be fatal to a candidates aspirations. We can deride PC culture, and we can critique, excoriate, and deride its practitioners, but we are foolish to ignore its power to destroy.

Circumspection, a valuable asset that Trump evidently has not.; 8/8/15, 12:39 PM
tds said...: People who excitedly spoke about "teabaggers"
People who excitedly spoke about "Trump wanting to see her on her knees"
People who excitedly speak about "Trump going menstrual on Kelly" (and why not on Wallace, btw?)

same retards; 8/8/15, 12:42 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Are you happy with what you asked for yet, Team Tea Party? This is the guy you were waiting for.; 8/8/15, 12:47 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: What's hilarious is the way Murdoch has to address the gut-nugget in cleaning up his latest mess: "Baier, Kelly, Wallace great job Thursday. Fine journalism, no more, no less. Friend Donald has to learn this is public life." (Emphasis added).

"Friend Donald?" What is this, a reactionary's version of the form of address known as "comrade"?

Kerblooey. The ingratiation is nauseating. When you build a party on nothing but selfishness, greed and ego then Don Trump is the best you'll ever get. Remarkable. He's a three-year old with a comb-over. Same hair fineness, same hatred of mommy for asking him if he can be nice for two seconds. Too bad for the RNC about that age restriction for presidential candidates. If a three-year old isn't available a septuagenarian narcissistic clown will do.; 8/8/15, 12:53 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Anyone with his mouth wired securely to his brain…

Trump has no brain. He has an ego and that's good enough for him, dummy!; 8/8/15, 12:57 PM
Unknown said...: -----Megyn Kelly being smeared on conservative web sites with and old Howard Stern show recording.

Oh, they are 'smearing' by playing a recording of an actual event. The horrors. When liberulz smear they use lies.; 8/8/15, 1:15 PM
rcocean said...: "Megyn Kelly being smeared on conservative web sites with and old Howard Stern show recording.:

Telling the truth is now a "smear". Got it.; 8/8/15, 1:21 PM
rcocean said...: When are we going to stop the White Knighting. Kelly is a Network anchor, equal to any man anchor. She's a Feminist and she should be able to take an insult without everyone crying that Trump is being mean to a Girl.; 8/8/15, 1:23 PM
Etienne said...: Trump is so predictable. He's an easy mark.

He'll be gone in a few weeks, and then we can start talking about the death of the middle-class, and the unfunded liabilities.

Who needs to be removed from Congress to move the country forward, etc.; 8/8/15, 1:41 PM
hombre said...: "I just saw Trump supporters called Trumpkins."

I prefer "Trumpadupes," who may be replacing Obamadupes as the ultimate low information voters. Trumpadupes, among other things, are people unable to distinguish between Political Correctness and plain civility and good manners.

Like Obamadupes, they also confuse "bellicose" with "presidential."

When is somebody going to ask The Donald about divesting himself of his potential conflict of interest investments, particularly in the ME.; 8/8/15, 1:42 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Why do Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh support Trump, Rush having "hung out" or whatever with Trump for decades although (almost?) always at events they were both a part of, not because they were long lost souls looking to reunite?

Is it because those obnoxious unserious* hucksters are just out to make a buck and the stupid conservative, formerly Republican base should believe you people, not Rush and Sarah?

Is that your strongest argument: Palin and Limbaugh know less about politics than you Trump ultradoubleHATERS, or is it those two just lie all day so forget them, and, oh, yeah, listen to you?

YOU?

Events like the annual https://www.facebook.com/MCLEF.ORG Marine Core Law-Enforcement Foundation, which according to Rush skims under 1% of all donations for bullshit expenses and stupid salaries for mandarin unBuckleys, meaning over 99% of donations go toward helping families of slain members of the military and law enforcement across the country, are why Limbaugh says he has never heard Trump say anything "liberal" on the occasions they bullshitted about stuff.

*Trump is obviously the only serious candidate, concerned enough to shout STOP! to the history these Leftists are making, save Ted Cruz.; 8/8/15, 1:44 PM
hombre said...: rcocean (1:23): "When are we going to stop the White Knighting? Kelly is a network anchor, equal to any man anchor...."

Absolutely right, rc. Now that Trump, for all intents and purposes, has said Megyn was "on the rag," Kelly has carte blanche to refer to him as "Pencil Dick" Trump on the next edition of The Kelly Files.

Presidential politics will be all the better for it. Hooray for The Donald.; 8/8/15, 1:53 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "1. CEOs cut to the bottom line as quickly as possible. They usually don't do in two steps something they can do in one. If Trump wanted to launch a third-party effort to hurt Republicans, why didn't he do that from the beginning?

2. Trump is 69 years old. When in the past has he played second fiddle to somebody else?

3. Currently Trump is under attack for "insulting women." Why would someone who "insults women" support a woman for President?"

I appreciate your effort yet it seems to me that the conspiracy is wrong based on why cartels fail: who is dumb enough to believe, present company included, that Donald and Hillary trust each other enough to put together a plan to do anything, even if that is what they both game-theoried out as the best possible outcome?

Why wouldn't Trump say "she was handicapped by her boss, but she still didn't do a great job" instead of what he has been repeating: Hillary is the worst SOS the country has ever had? Do you believe Trump will reverse that statement before the election in order to help Hillary win?; 8/8/15, 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Brando: Angelyne, I see your point and while we disagree on many issues my question is this--if the problem is GOP leaders not doing what they should, how exactly is Trump a solution to this?

Trump isn't a solution. (If you think I'm some kind of fan and am going to vote for him, you've misread me.) Problem is, neither are any of the other candidates. So the idea that he's interfering with what would otherwise be a group of politicians running to seriously and sincerely fight for my interests is nonsense. E.g., are any of the 'pubs going to do a damn thing about the monstrosity that is Obamacare? No. They are, after all, bank-rolled by the same people. (That legislation was crony-capitalism at its finest, and the 'pubs were right on board.) It's going to be business as usual unless and until the middle class finally explodes from the burden (which could just happen when the real bill hits our wallets in a couple of years).

Are any of them going to fight for meaningful immigration control (which would involve extracting tough concessions for "amnesty")? No, and hell no. Not because they're a bunch of pussies (though they are that), but because they don't want border control, e-Verify enforcement, an end to H-1B corruption, etc., any more than the Dems do, quite the contrary. I could go on, but you get my point. The idea that this is some contest between "socialists" and "champions of old school American small government, free market model" is ridiculous. We have a one-party state, and neither of its "brands" represent my interests. Both are actively working against them, as a matter of fact.

Trump isn't going to change that - I don't even think, as some do, that he's going to "move the window" and force the parties to get real about things that are important to ordinary citizens. At best, he may represent that "cloud smaller than a man's hand" on the horizon that presages far more serious changes to come. Something's got to give, and I suspect it will, in my own lifetime. If his current popularity convinces one or two public figures by example that they can quit groveling, all to the good. These things can snowball; one hopes they will.

In the meantime, I'm enjoying watching the establishment party whores and prissy old eunuchs getting their panties in a bunch. They hate being shown up for what they are.

He seems far less serious than anyone else.

There are lots of serious people out there working very seriously against the interests of me and mine. Am I supposed to vote for them in homage to their undoubted seriousness?

This would be like getting mad that your doctor is incompetent and deciding to have your gardener treat you instead.

No, it's more like telling an incompetent doctor to piss off, and going off to search for a competent one. At the same time, the gardener is making you laugh by razzing the quack, who's chasing after you, huffing and puffing about how you just have to keep him around to protect you from the other quack's quackery. (And hoping you don't notice that they share a practice.); 8/8/15, 1:58 PM
Bob Ellison said...: rcocean asked, "When are we going to stop the White Knighting[?]"

This implication has been floating around on the various blogs and news sites reporting on Trump's BleedGate. Kelly herself has been silent so far, so the Trump-defenders are attacking everyone criticizing Trump by saying Kelly's a big girl who shouldn't need you to gallop in like a white knight, blah blah blah. Reminds me of a few commenters on this blog RE: Meade.

Strange dynamic. It doesn't seem like projection, but it does seem like a misunderstanding.; 8/8/15, 2:02 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "No, the rule is that people running for president need to have more class and self-control than people on daytime TV."

Yeah your comment makes sense because the Clintons and Obama are known for their "class."

Oh wait, Obama was giving Hillary the finger and acting like a typical all-bullshit all-the-time politician, which is what you demand everyone who desires the label of "serious" must do.

Bill was raping powerless women, showing his self-control, or do those women, all those women, not matter to you because they don't matter to Charlie Rose or Bob Schaefer?

You play a losing game and hate those who walk away from it because you harbor doubts about the country's direction and your complacency.; 8/8/15, 2:05 PM
HoodlumDoodlum said...: Ann Althouse said...I think he meant to express the idea that she was angry, not that she'd gotten beaten up.

Oh dear, maybe I need a biology refresher. Do women bleed more when they're angry, or get angry then they bleed (during their menstruation)? Is that a well-known stereotype? I mean, I get it, you think Trump is very slyly insinuating that Kelly was angry because of PMS, but 1. when have you ever seen Trump be coy or sly (as opposed to blunt and boorish), and 2. doesn't the P in PMS imply that the anger/moodiness would come prior to the bleeding itself?
Trump is an ass, has said plenty of sexist things in the past, and will undoubtedly say sexist things in the future. This feels like a bit of a stretch, and stands in stark contrast to you insistence that a "gendered" DNC attack on Carly F. couldn't be seen as sexist in any way. It's probably dangerous to suggest your interpretation seems to be a bit...emotional...but there it is.; 8/8/15, 2:07 PM
Louis said...: I believe he meant nose. It was a Perry moment, not correcting it; 8/8/15, 2:08 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "Anyone with his mouth wired securely to his brain would be loath to expose himself to the ridicule, misinterpretation, misquotation, and disingenuous commentary that such a comment would inevitably draw when there are ten thousand ways to say the same thing more clearly,"

Well go beat Donald.

No excuses; you go the answers now get your ass in gear and implement them.

Fact is Trump scares you because you are only comfortable with psychopaths and their perfect pant crease's smooth, focus-tested words that have no meaning.

Those pant creases and the fawning they brought out result[ed] in Planned Parenthood selling baby parts.; 8/8/15, 2:11 PM
Louis said...: Blogger Ann Althouse said...
"In an interview with Don Lemon on "CNN Tonight," Trump on Friday accused Fox of asking "vicious," unfair questions..."

That is, she was inappropriately angry and out for blood.

Not that she was reduced to a bloody pulp.

Discuss.

At that point, he was talking about her provocation. When he said "blood" he was talking about after he had put her in her place.; 8/8/15, 2:12 PM
Rob said...: Comments about menstruation are verboten. Trump should be prepared to go with the flow.; 8/8/15, 2:15 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "plain civility and good manners."

Yeah it was actually before the babies were kept alive longer to harvest a better yield that many of us decided civility and good manners toward evil is a quick way to the gas chambers.

Maybe you should pontificate Trump should be more tender to those whom are trying to destroy him sans morals or anything except the will to power to guide them.

Yeah, yeah that's it.; 8/8/15, 2:17 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "When is somebody going to ask The Donald about divesting himself of his potential conflict of interest investments, particularly in the ME."

You play a losing, chumps game.

Trump is running against Hillary*, not your ideal of perfection for a politician.

Let me spell this out: Trump will use his "potential conflict of interest investments" to shred Hillary. Because the facts are on his side, as well as his conscious, he will be just fine.

All of your concern is noted and you are marked.

*sure sure currently there is the GOP nomination, but Trumps focus is rightly on Hillary. If he loses the GOP nomination it won't because he focused his time planning how to defeat Hillary. And it is his to lose; polls still count even when you don't like the results and are aware of the winnowing of the field and its drastic potential to shelve Trump.; 8/8/15, 2:23 PM
hombre said...: R&B (12:53): "When you build a party on selfishness, greed and ego, then Don Trump is the best you'll ever get."

R&B logic translated: "If you are bad people, even though there are 17 candidates in the field, Trump is the best (Republicans? Tea Party?) you'll ever get.

Unconscious projection from a slobbering, vitriolic minion of the party of Hillary.; 8/8/15, 2:24 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "for all intents and purposes,"

I understand you can't form a comment without lying as you've been sold a bill of goods by the national GOP and you're too dumb to know it, but I will still say stop the damn lying, ya damn liar.

You don't get to determine Trump's intent.

Or, if you do, then I think your intent is to rape elderly nuns.

Shut the Hell up if you don't agree, I'm deciding your intent for you and you will like it.; 8/8/15, 2:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Megyn Kelly asked Trump a question premised on Hillary Clinton's contention that the republicans are engaged in a "War on Women." Trump was right to call her on it. If you want to be seen as a tough hard nosed reporter you can't be seen as unfair too. Her question was gotcha journalism. She deserved a smack-down for it. i wish more politicians would treat more snarky smart-ass reporters that way.; 8/8/15, 2:38 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: The great William Frank Buckley Junior decided he liked Joe Leiberman, c'mon you remember him he was Gore's running mate before the Leftists took firm control of the Democratic Party and booted his ass, because Buckley felt Lowell Weicker was worse.

I doubt half of the people pontificating here could understand why Buckley would choose to support a Democratic over an entrenched incumbent Republican.

http://www.struat.com/election/2005/03/15/lieberman-versus-lowell-weicker/

The article is by Buckley foes yet has the main quotes so as people that don't like to be known as nitwits can--are able to theoretically-- learn then relearn then brush-up on.

"Q. You mean to say you would challenge the legitimacy of a Buckley who announced his intention of voting for Weicker? A. This is a very serious business. The future of self-government depends on retiring such as Weicker from the Senate. Correction, there is no such thing as “such as Weicker.” He is unique. Q. How do you propose to establish that? A. That is the responsibility of the Horse’s Ass Committee. Q. The what? A. The Horse’s Ass Committee. Q. What are its purposes? A. To document that Lowell Weicker is the Number One Horse’s Ass in the Senate."

MY GOD BUCKLEY USED THE WORD "ASS" IN 1988!

No wonder the GOP is finished, what a cad.; 8/8/15, 2:53 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: This boorish, brash loudmouth speaks in code.

Nice theory. Deep.; 8/8/15, 3:05 PM
hombre said...: "... you've been sold a bill of goods by the national GOP...."

Bwa-ha-ha-ha! Really?

"You don't get to determine Trump's intent."

Words mean stuff, even when they reflect badly on your idol, Guild'.; 8/8/15, 3:24 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "Trump said of the honor, “It was very special to me.”
He’s also hinted at another potential presidential run, telling “Extra,” “The country is going to hell, and things are going to change, and people are going to be very happy.”'

http://pagesix.com/2015/04/24/donald-trump-honored-at-marine-corps-charity-gala/

So what code did Trump speak in in that statement?

Those of you smarty smart smarts that hear code, do you hear it now in this statement?

Do you only hear code when it hurts aspirations of someone you viscerally dislike and a female is involved?

Have you congratulated yourself for being uniquely smart enough to hear code words others don't? Heavens to Betsy it isn't just your native IQ, it's that you are a moral person attuned to a higher calling and therefore able to capitalize on the code words the lumpens don't hear.

I DEMAND STANDING OVATIONS FOR THE CODE-HEARERS, AMERICA'S GREATEST HEROS!; 8/8/15, 3:25 PM
hombre said...: Sniff, sniff. I smell sock puppet.; 8/8/15, 3:25 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Is the white background of this blog a coded way to say Black Americans aren't welcome here?

I know a blog with a black background, and I don't think that proprietor is white. Maybe his (not only different but differing as these things progress) perspective has some value?

Sure sure I concede there's the text of this site, black, but c'mon... You know it's racist to have a predominately white background.

Blame Google all you want. Everybody forgot--or were purposely kept ignorant to line the pockets of Leftist Democrats--everything about the Nazi's who "just followed orders" and cashed Nazi checks to put food on the table (or their tables as you like).; 8/8/15, 3:30 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: When I realized WFB was my idol and that is blasphemous I dropped idols, except Vital Idol.

But no hard feelings, I feel impotent and angry when not despondent. Taking it out here isn't cool generally, but I've seen so much other stuff here way uncooler in many ways my uncoolness still raises the coolness factor.; 8/8/15, 3:32 PM
hombre said...: Sniff, sniff. Sock puppet funk!; 8/8/15, 3:40 PM
Achilles said...: D.E. Cloutier said...
Achilles: "But getting elected isn't Trump's goal. He is getting Hillary elected."

"I've read that claim in the comments at several websites. Please give us some details about the plan."

Trump has an empire and is very wealthy. Do you honestly think he wants to put that in a blind trust? He spends his life now doing what he loves to do. I doubt very much he would trade that for being president. On top of that there is 0% chance he gets elected acting this way. But he can run as a 3rd party and run a half assed campaign like he is now and pull 10-20% of the vote, just lie Perot.

In order to actually be president and get elected he would have to drop the rest of his life and focus on it 14-20 hours a day for 16 months. He is smart enough to know what it would cost him to be president. His supporters aren't. None of them think about how these things actually happen and how impossible it would be for someone like Trump to actually do it. But he could easily throw some grenades at a few debates about immigration and pull 10% of the vote. That is all Hillary needs.; 8/8/15, 4:36 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: "Do you honestly think he wants to put that in a blind trust?"

Why don't you admit that you don't think the ego himself wants to be the most powerful man in the history of the world? Even if we were to quibble about the designation of most powerful man ever, I doubt Trump would and that's the end. Do you see?

Your theory is Trump is an egomaniac happy with a few billion here and there, when the Alpha Trump we know and love likes winning and power. POTUS is a much different level than rich guy. Do you believe that? Do you think I am naive or foolish for thinking Trump likes power?

What would it take for you to think about the power of the POTUS in 2016 and how Trump might like that for himself and his legacy?; 8/8/15, 6:00 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Since Perot said POTUS is a shitty job, and y'all think Trump is Perot Deuce (so as to protect your meager ego from having to contemplate something different from 1992 that you haven't compartmentalized yet) y'all are silly enough to think Trump doesn't want the power, prestige, legacy, and he might even think of it in terms of divinity, I don't know, of POTUS 2016.

For all we know Trump has so much dirt on Clinton he is bankrolling Sanders to make it look at least partly democratic (yeah yeah constitutional Republic yet I have names from Twain to Lincon to MLK referring to America as a democracy because it is a broader category than the more precise constitutional Republic).

But since y'all saw something different in 1992, that template is all that your unconjuring brain can produce.; 8/8/15, 6:09 PM
D.E. Cloutier said...: Achilles: "In order to actually be president and get elected he would have to drop the rest of his life..."

I was a newspaperman early in my career. I left journalism because I was beginning to feel like I was writing the same stories over and over again with different names each time.

In business many of my wealthy friends who were corporate CEOs felt the same way about their work when they reached their 60s. They asked, "Is that all there is?"

Like those business executives, Trump may want one more "adventure" -- his biggest yet.; 8/8/15, 6:28 PM
John henry said...: I am bewildered by those who think trump is in the tank for Hilary.

If he was, why would he be saying, repeatedly, that she is the worst SoS ever, that she belongs in Jail for the emails, that she is responsible for lying about Benghazi etc.

Why would he portray her as his pet monkey: I gave her money and she came to my wedding

He is trashing her pretty severely in front of huge audiences and not in a way that permits any ambiguity.

How does he walk that back if he comes out in favor of him.

He has been pretty honest about giving all politicians. Having a building permit or a casino license held up for even a couple days can be worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. He says he is paying pols to be nice to them. What he really means is that he is bribing them If he told us what he is bribing them for, he would be arrested.

Hence "She came to my wedding." Or, as I heard it "I bought and paid for Hilary, when I say jump she asks how high. But I can't talk about why I really bought her and other pols."

Bill came to the reception only. Apparently trump would not meet his price to come to the wedding too. But the only reason Bill went was because of the money.

John Henry; 8/8/15, 9:49 PM
John henry said...: How does he walk that back if he comes out in favor of her.

That should be her.

Stupid furshlugginer keyboard; 8/8/15, 9:52 PM
eddie willers said...: If he was, why would he be saying, repeatedly, that she is the worst SoS ever, that she belongs in Jail for the emails, that she is responsible for lying about Benghazi etc.

It doesn't matter what he says about her. Good, bad or indifferent. Who cares....it makes no difference.

Running as a third party candidate, however, assures her the win by drawing votes away from the Republican candidate just as it did for Bill when Perot ran.

Remember...Bill won with 43% of the vote.

Now do you see?; 8/9/15, 12:06 AM
Achilles said...: D.E. Cloutier said...

"Like those business executives, Trump may want one more "adventure" -- his biggest yet."

He hasn't started yet. He did nothing to prepare for the debates. He is still carrying on his empire and I don't blame him. But he hasn't committed yet and he never will.; 8/9/15, 2:08 AM