January 29, 2014

"Freshman Nicholas Wright said students felt trapped, bored, hungry and thirsty as they waited for someone to bring them home."

"He said the school had enough sandwiches to feed the girls but not the boys, and a fight broke out between students at one point," at North Atlanta High School, in yesterday's ice storm.
“We were all pent up, and there was really negative energy,” said Wright, who caught a ride home with a neighbor at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday. “I would have much rather been at home than spending one more second there.”
Hey, now. What's going on?! Don't discriminate based on gender, teachers! If I were a teacher there, I'd be all about making the students feel that keeping them there made sense, and it was a good, camp-like situation, and I would want it to be something that they'd remember for the rest of their lives as a spontaneous and pretty nice occasion.

ADDED: Alternate interpretation: Maybe the school thought it was a good lesson for the young people to follow the "ladies first" tradition. In a situation where there is not enough food, who should stand back and allow others to eat? Perhaps every male — or every southern male? — should know to suffer some deprivation for the comfort of the females. But Mr. Wright hadn't gotten that message. If that was the lesson, the teachers on the scene should have communicated it, but perhaps that is not possible in a culture that has refrained from saying anything like that.

80 comments:

Gahrie said...

fuck the women and children....let me in that lifeboat!

Isn't the modern world grand?

MadisonMan said...

There are NEVER enough sandwiches to feed teenage boys.

Althouse, you must remember this! :)

The Georgia Governor and Atlanta Mayor come off looking extremely bad in this. Totally unprepared for something that was very well forecast.

FleetUSA said...

Divide the sandwiches like the fishes and loaves from the Bible

Abdul Abulbul Amir said...

Good grief! Cut the sandwiches in half and feed them all.

Sorun said...

"Totally unprepared for something that was very well forecast."

I saw a headline where the Georgia governor blamed poor weather forecasting, though I didn't see a direct quote.

bearing said...

I bet everybody got one sandwich and the boys were still hungry.

Tom said...

This happened to us once at a Boy Scout Camp. I was a Boy Scout and we were doing a 30 mile hike. The weather got very bad and the camp had us come back to the main hall where they usually serve big dinners. On the other side of the hall were Girl Scouts already in their sleeping bags. The female Girl Scout Leaders patrols the DMZ like it was Checkpoint Charlie. In the morning, the girls were fed first and then the boys -- more to keep us completely separated than anything else. However, if the camp had run out of food, it would have been true that the girls got enough to eat but the boys didn't. I wonder if a similar thing happened in this case.

Sorun said...

I can't believe they didn't have giant cans of lima beans and pumpkin mix in the cafeteria kitchen.

Lucien said...

Of course, one could have allocated the food randomly, and allowed those who wanted to give their share to others.

Or, in a "Yes we can!" Teaching Moment, one could establish a "Hunger Panel" to ration the food.

Laura said...

Have they no arugula? No salad bar? No FFA greenhouse?

jr565 said...

why did the girls get the sandwhiches but not the boys? I guess when the ship is sinking it defaults back to the old ways.
And I'm sure the women didn't protest at the unfair treatment.

gregq said...

Who's in charge? Well, it's school, one of the most feminized environments in the US, so the women are in charge. Since the females are in charge, the males should be the recipients of any chivalry.

So "men first!"

YoungHegelian said...

After the girls were fed, the boys should have discussed among themselves in what order they were going to eat the girls when it came time to turn to cannibalism.

Like gentlemen.

donald said...


Seriously, the forecasts didn't really have the brunt of the storm getting into the city. About 3:40 am. The nws released info that it was gonna get here. An incredible confluence o events happened, as in it got really cold and icy really quick while the ENTIRE metro area was trying to get home (work, school, damned near everybody). It got really icy and Atlanta is just plain not set up to handle that.

It took me 13 hours to travel 11 miles.

There was very little Reed or Deal could do about it. Unfortunately, they both just happened to be at an awards lunch honoring Reed, so it's pile on time. The snotty chick on CNN needs here ass slapped.

And I'm just the guy to do it.

donald said...

Needs her ass slapped.

BDNYC said...

In this scenario, where no one is going to die of hunger because it's temporary, doesn't it make sense to allocate the scarce food in such a way as to minimize or prevent conflict? The boys are the hungrier and more physically powerful ones. All the girls are looking to lose five pounds anyway, so when life gives you lemons ...

glenn said...

Fifty years ago giving the girls the food would have been a good and socially acceptable idea. Now it's just plain sexism. And the broads brought it on themselves. Snort, Snort. Paws ground, farts, blows nose with fingers. Goes to TV room to watch NFL reruns.

Ctmom4 said...

I think it's more likely that everyone got one sandwich, and the boys wanted two or three. Teenage boys consume enormous amounts of food.

Opinh Bombay said...

Why the men died first in the Donner Party.

http://discovermagazine.com/1992/mar/livingthroughthe4#.UumlobSAl3w

donald said...

Speaking of broads, I saw Tony Dungy's interview of Johnathon Martin a little while ago.

I believe he has a vagina.

Inga said...

The sandwiches could've been cut in half and the boys given a half. Also you can't tell me there wasn't some canned fruit or soup, peanut butter, crackers? Really?

Lydia said...

Before we go rushing to the philosophical deep-end here, let's note that the comment about the sandwiches going to the girls was made by a freshman boy, so maybe some exaggeration? Plus the girls and the boys were in separate buildings. Who knows -- maybe there was no plan to not feed the boys, just the people handing out the sandwiches not thinking ahead to save some for the boys in the other building.

surfed said...

My grandmothers on both sides would be grave spinnin' to know I had taken the sandwich from a lady's mouth. And at the private prep school I went to in the deep South in the late 60's that would have been the call. The girls in the Ladies Building would have been fed first. At the deep South inner city school I just retired from the distinction of Lady is an unheard of and indeterminate term. No such thing would ever need happen.

Renee said...

They couldn't figure out they didn't have enough sandwiches, and cut them in portions to ensure that everyone had something?

With four kids I find myself always figuring out the factions I have to equally cut something up to ensure everyone gets the same amount. Sometimes I get lazy and just cut up six hot dogs into quarters and give everyone six pieces, instead of just realizing I could just cut two in half and served a hot dog and a half.

AustinRoth said...

Chivalry by men towards women is a two-way pact. Feminists forced that pact to be broken, as they said they had to be allowed to compete on equal footing with men.

So women, lets see you compete with the men for scare food resources on an equal footing, and find out how equal the sexes really are.

There is are reason throughout history women looked to men for protection, and societies developed rules and roles to prevent anarchy.

Those lessons get lost during periods of abundance, but they don't stop being necessary.

donald said...

North Atlanta is not the type of Deep South inter city school you're thinking of and it damned sure ain't no Chicago, LA, New York, Jersey hell hole either.

donald said...

Now South Atlanta, that's a whole nother story.

CStanley said...

My daughter's nursery school teachers were angels. Stayed with her (and others, though she was the last) until 8 pm. They kept the little ones calm and made it a fun adventure for them.

8 pm doesn't sound too bad till you realuze it then took them till 1 am to get home.

buwaya said...

I taught my son the "Brikenhead Drill"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_%281845%29

Its the only right thing to do, whatever the women think.

Livermoron said...

Women are getting the jobs. Women are getting education.
Women are getting the food.

Yes, my poor dears, this is a war on women.

John said...

How is this even possible?

Haven't these people ever heard of global warming?

Don't they know it is impossible to have snow in Georgia?

John Henry

wildswan said...

In the Forties and Fifties, every four of five years in the Washington DC-Maryland-Virginia suburban area it used to snow hard and trap people on buses and on highways for hours and hours. Then we had global warming and it stopped happening. But look. Four or five years ago Washington was trapped in giant storm (12 inches) and now it's happening again.

wildswan said...

Anyhow, putting aside the reminiscing, it seems to me that the students must have had some food of their own besides whatever the school had. I would bet that someone ate in front of the others and wouldn't share and got his food knocked out his hands

Paco Wové said...

"they both just happened to be at an awards lunch honoring Reed"

A premature luncheon, perhaps.

campy said...

Gotta show those males how disposable they are.

Rob said...

The only sensible rule for distributing scarce resources is "to each according to his need." Sandwiches for the skinny kids, none for the overweight who have plenty of stored body fat. That has two additional virtues:
(1) It rewards fitness.
(2) It introduces the children to the immutable laws of online dating and club doormen: no fatties.

CStanley said...

The Georgia Governor and Atlanta Mayor come off looking extremely bad in this. Totally unprepared for something that was very well forecast.

In Reed's defense, he has remained sane thus far and has not yet declared us a chocolate city.

The forecasting error alluded to by another commenter was that the swath of the storm came a bit farther north than predicted. My county was supposed to get less than an inch accumulation but we ended up with about 4.

There's quite a bit of difference in driving conditions between those two scenarios. I think this is what led to one of the worst foul ups which was the failure to close schools for the day and then not calling the early dismissal soon enough.

Still, there's no excuse for the inability of our DOT to salt roads. I assume it's a budget issue since these events are rare enough they just don't want to invest in a larger fleet of trucks.

I also can't understand why they don't cut off access of the interstates to the semis. The traffic still would have been bad but at least there wouldn't be dozens of impassable sections of interstate highway from trucks jackknifed across lanes.

n.n said...

City folk are truly lost without modern conveniences. They would literally not last a day without a catering service. "Street smarts" are only relevant when there is a street to cross.

That said, the "women and children first" directive has an evolutionary basis. However, with a mass rejection of evolutionary principles, this directive, and other civilization building directives, should be reconsidered to favor survival of the fittest.

Men, women, and children in that order.

JRoberts said...

I grew up in the Chicago area and now live in the south suburbs of Atlanta.

We had freezing rain followed by 2-3 inches of snow - which is nothing in Chicago, but serious stuff here in the Atlanta area.

The BIG problem is not the forecasts, but the overly dramatic warnings "Winter Storm Shamu" with a logo and theme music. People start ignoring the warnings after a while.

Local schools were criticized for a two-day weather closing a few weeks ago. This time they waited to make the call until it was too late and are getting hammered for it.

You can't win.

Inga said...


That said, the "women and children first" directive has an evolutionary basis. However, with a mass rejection of evolutionary principles, this directive, and other civilization building directives, should be reconsidered to favor survival of the fittest.

Men, women, and children in that order."

1/29/14, 8:27 PM

Children last? Sheesh I guess you only care about unborn ones.

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CStanley said...

Regarding the sandwiches, it may have been an attempt by teachers to enforce chivalry (this is the South, although a lot of the old ways are fading quickly.)

It also could have been a foul up....I understand that the schools were pretty stringent in keeping boys and girls segregated for the night in different areas. Perhaps the girls were in the cafeteria and someone mistakenly thought the boys had been fed already and just stared distributing all of the remaining food to the girls.

n.n said...

Inga, really? It's as plain as the nose on your face.

I know that your just not into me, but can't we just get along?

fivewheels said...

I feel like the professor and some commenters are reading this as saying the fight was about the sandwiches. I don't think that's (necessarily) the case, I think the kid was just listing problems that occurred, and those were two separate ones.

The writing is unclear, but most reporters suck at what they do.

And yes, as usual, female opposition to sexism ends abruptly in every case (and there are many) when it benefits them.

MadisonMan said...

I saw a headline where the Georgia governor blamed poor weather forecasting, though I didn't see a direct quote.

The governor is trying very hard to escape the very deserved scorn that is being tossed at him.

Link.

donald said...

Cstanley and jroberts speak da trut!

Jason said...

I wonder if they would have had more food per head on hand if it weren't for Michelle Obama's severely reduced standard school lunches?

If they keep a standard stockage, say, 2 or 3-days supply on hand, immediately after delivery, replenished with every delivery and were complying with the program, it's a near certainty.

Jason said...

Why weren't the girls making the goddamn sammiches?

MadisonMan said...

What I'm not sure of: Why didn't parents keep their kids home from school? That's not something I'd do, here in Madison, but we live three blocks from the High School, and it would be tough weather indeed that prevented that 3-block walk from being made. (And it's partly why I'm annoyed, still, that Madison schools closed on Tuesday. Why? Because some kids would be cold? Well, why are we basing decisions on the least prepared people? Isn't that disincentivizing them to be better prepared next time?)

But there appears to have been zero coordination between State, City and Schools on getting people home safely. Because, apparently, the Gov and the Mayor were too busy patting each other on the back at an awards luncheon.

ironrailsironweights said...

The funniest storm picture of all showed stranded people sleeping in the aisle at a CVS drug store, and using bags of women's sanitary pads as pillows.

Peter

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: "Maybe the school thought it was a good lesson for the young people to follow the "ladies first" tradition."

That is why -- as a man -- when the ship goes down I will proclaim myself transgender, trapped in a male body, and politely ask the feminists to get the hell out of my lifeboat seat.

donald said...

He doesn't need to avoid anything. He and Reed will be fine.

CStanley said...

@Madisonman- in hindsight I wish I had kept both kids home (one was home sick anyway.) You tend to rely on "the officials" who are making the call, assuming they aren't going to risk it if they might have to deal with the fallout when they are wrong. Clearly I put too much stock in them and will adjust my own decision making in the future,

Laslo Spatula said...

8:54: I will never write something so perfect again.

donald said...

Cause this school closing thing is being worn out.

I cannot stress enough how that wolf in sheeps clothing applies here.

It sucked, but we don't live with this crap, so I'll let the professional bitchers and whiners enjoy their glory.

David said...

They are afraid of the girls.

The boys can be dealt with.

MadisonMan said...

I'm kinda surprised people have to go so far to school. 5 or 6 miles!

Is that normal these days? I never walked more than a mile to school, and neither have my kids. The one time they took the bus, school was about 1.5 miles away -- walkable for something like happened in Atlanta, I guess (although that was K-2 -- it would've been me carrying them most of the way, but there are places to stop on the way home).

donald said...

It's hellish I tells ya.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

The war on women continues.

William said...

Go all Lord of the Flies. Let the kids vote on who to feed and who to starve. Give the football players double portions because they can take double portions. Let the girls trade sexual favors for calories. An educational experience like that is worth more than a dozen civics classes.

YoungHegelian said...

@William,

Please tell me you don't substitute teach in your spare time.

geokstr said...

I lived in WI for 22 years, then Southern Cal for 21, the last ten in Atlanta.

In Milwaukee, this might have meant a 20 minute delay, but in Atlanta, they have no idea what that white stuff is, let alone how to drive in it. On top of that, the idiots let out all the schools at the same time all the businesses told their employees to go home - instant gridlock. They finally got to people here today that had been in their cars for 24 hours going nowhere - it was like deja vu with the 405 in LA.

In SoCal, the same kind of breakdown of civilized society occurs when the weatherman predicts a 5% chance of drizzle, whether it happens or not. This is is why they have made weather totally illegal there. Generally, each TV station records one forecast a year (sunny, clear, temp just right, 2% chance of precip, to be safe) and runs it for the next 365 days.

Roux said...

If the schools were local they wouldn't have this problem.

traditionalguy said...

North Atlanta is a public High School that was recently moved into a modern and luxurious set of remodeled buildings on a former 56 acre IBM campus at a cost of $147,000,000. It is now located on a 4 lane access hwy (US41) running alongside I-75 between two exit/entrance ramps only a couple of miles apart ( being at W. Paces Ferry and Mt Paran Roads.)It is a collector school for an area that was once served by 3 High Schools. So buses and cars deliver all of the 1600 students.

The neighborhoods are upper middle class to wealthy and super wealthy.

If any one could get service by the Mayor and the Governor this group could since 70% of the big donors to their campaigns live in this district.

What happened to Atlanta was an expectation built up over years that the storm would not be serious or that the folks could adjust. Its been 36 years since a clipper storm has hit here so fast at midday and stopped all traffic within 2 hours instead of the next morning. Only people over 50 remember dealing with the last one.

Alex said...

Fuck when I was a teenager there were never enough footlongs to feed me. I'd never share my sammich with a female. FUck that.

MayBee said...

I think the bus drivers from the American school in Japan did better getting the kids home to Tokyo after one of the worst earthquake disasters in the world.

averagejoe said...

No sandwiches for pasty white males!

rcommal said...

Stupidity, soup to nuts. Full stop.

iowan2 said...

The weather forecast???Really??

I was in a a winter travel advisory last Saturday evening....2" snow and wind.....Nothing.
Sunday at noon a blizzard warning, additional 1" snow......nothing.

So how much do you spend for forecasts that historically hover around 50%?

So maybe schools and such should have shutdoown. But thats 20/20 hindsight and doesn't really help the discussion.
Fact is the south does not and should not invest in the infrastructure for snow events.

iowan2 said...

"Why? Because some kids would be cold? Well, why are we basing decisions on the least prepared people? Isn't that disincentivizing them to be better prepared next time?
Madisonman

Because the govt role has evolved into taking care of stupid people.

Why do we have Social Security?
Not for me. Its for the stupid people.
Progressives base their entire ideology on stupid people.

Tarrou said...

One day, I suspect just as women succeed in eliminating every male "advantage" by law, men will succeed in eliminating female advantages in social situations. I wonder who yells uncle first?

Men cannot be expected to compete with and defer to women at the same time. Pick one.

Larry J said...

In public schools, boys are often considered nothing more than defective girls. If the school officials thought boys hated school before, they have not seen anything yet.

stlcdr said...

If you are a female, in first class, you wouldn't have died on the Titanic. Indeed, most of the survivors were female.

Today, I would hope the survivors of such an equivalent disaster, we're young children and women. Alas, I suspect that would not be the case. Even those women who demand 'equality'; "just get in the fucking lifeboat, woman! Boy, suck it up, be a man."

Alexander said...

Actually, in a Titanic-esque situation the way to save the most lives is first come - first on the boat. It avoids the dithering caused by women and children exchanging tearful goodbyes to the men in their lives who are about to die, and it prevents the herd effect of *not* getting on the boat because things might be alright and you can always get on the *next* lifeboat. Many of the Titanic lifeboats were not at capacity, and both of these factors played a role there.

The Birkenhead Drill only works when you have a large, disciplined force of armed soldiers to enforce it: suffice it to say your average cruise ship or merchant marine vessel is not quite up to the task.

Whether it's sandwiches or a sinking ship, it is not practical to save the women first: it is both inefficient and you are better off pacifying those more willing and capable to react violently - no sense in giving the women a sandwich in a starving group if she can't defend herself long enough to eat it. Letting women go first was the result of an enormous amount of social conditioning backed by force to insure a result that would not have ever happened otherwise. Women, you want to burn that down - by all means.

Matt said...

Laslo, I lol-ed.

Inga said...

Iowan2 I certainly hope your parents never accepted their Social Security, because well, that would make them be some of those stupid people you speak of. You should really provide for your aged parents, because if you don't that would make you a hypocrite.

iowan2 said...

Inga you are stupid beyond explanation.
Of course my parents mom took SS, Because it was her earnings. The govt took it under threat. WHY? Because you assume that everyone is too stupid to plan for their retirement, and only you are smart enough to watch out for everyone.

The progressive nanny staters are taking almost 15% of every dollar earned and give back a small percentage of that.
You damn right I'm taking SS. ITS MY MONEY, I EARNED IT

rcommal said...

Depending on your age and what you put in and how much when, you surely are entitled to something. Now, as to what you're getting now as an entitlement for the rest of your life, that is a whole different question. That would apply even more to generation up (and in some cases two).

When you say "earned," what do you mean?Specify era, time, when, how, why and also the math of it.

Also, may I just ask: Are some of you in some cases looking for your kids to be able to avoid having to take care of their elders, as so many of you and at least one generation, if not two, before you did?

Talk about bad culture, and sloppy, self-serving thinking and self-justification.

rcommal said...

Your mom was self-employed? And relatively recently? She cut checks for both sides of SS contributions? If not, where are you getting that 15% from?

(Be careful. Be sure you're not claiming something that is not so, and, more important, is profoundly untrue and disgustingly self-serving.)

rcommal said...

Oh, man, talk about a lack of knowledge of history, facts, math and more.