October 14, 2012

Shameful, lowly race-baiting... but who's doing it?

So somebody got a picture of the back of a man — no face, no name — in a T-shirt that says — on the back — "Put the White Back in the White House." BuzzFeed posts the photo with the information that it's a "Getty Images" photo. So we don't even get the name of the photographer. We're told "The Getty Images photo was taken at a Romney/Ryan campaign event in Lancaster, Ohio on Friday." We can't see much of the context. Who's around this guy?

Why put this picture up? Well, obviously, it gets hits for BuzzFeed, which doesn't need any more motivation than that. It does need the utter lack of ethics and decency it takes to throw something this unfair into the public debate. The BuzzFeed staffer who did this post is Andrew Kaczynski, whom we've seen before. (He was behind "Paul Ryan Gets Testy and Walks Out of Interview.") Presumably, he's doing his job of attracting links, and I'm exacerbating the dynamic by linking. But I'm doing this because I have recently criticized Romney supporters for injecting race into presidential politics.

I said it was a mistake for Rush Limbaugh and others to play that Obamaphone lady over and over. Even with no mention of race, I thought the recording was used — with deniability — to stir up racial feelings. My post — "Just How Racist Is the 'Obama Phone' Video?" — got very strong pushback from commenters. People did not want to acknowledge that race had been injected at all. I participated in the comments at first. For example:
Look, those of you who don't see the racial problem are already probably going to vote for Romney. For Romney to win, he has to influence people in the middle who are sensitive to this kind of racial ugliness. You may say my sensitivity is set to[o] high, but I'm saying that I believe the people with my level of sensitivity are much more likely to determine the outcome of the election.
But my commenters fought on, passionately, which showed, I think, how deeply they — like me —  object to racial material. The objection took different forms. I was saying don't use powerful material when it will feel racial to some people, and they were resisting seeing it as racial. Within our disagreement, there was an intense agreement: We object to racial material.

Back to that T-shirt. Who should be condemned here? There's that bald-headed, no name guy. I assume he is a Romney opponent. The reasons for that assumption are oozingly obvious. (Here, Robert Stacy McCain spells them out for you.) He deserves condemnation, whether he's for or against Romney. The photographer deserves condemnation if he has thrown this crap into the public space without giving us a name, a shot of the man's face, or even a broader shot of the people around him. We are deprived of the context we need to think about whether other people at the rally saw it, approved, laughed, shunned him, confronted him.

But Buzzfeed and all the Romney opponents who chose to link to Buzzfeed should be ashamed. They lowered themselves. They saw an opportunity go racial and they took it. Here's Caroline Bankoff at New York Magazine:
This photo of the not-so-subtle look, taken at Friday's campaign rally in Lancaster, Ohio, doesn't really require further description. 
It sure as hell does require further description! Who was that bald man? How long was that shirt-back displayed? Is this a false-flag effort to smear Romney? And why don't you care? Just go ahead and stir up racial fears and ugliness, Caroline Bankoff. Shame on you and everyone else who slavered at the opportunity to serve up this racial obscenity.

313 comments:

«Oldest   ‹Older   201 – 313 of 313
Alex said...

Tyler Interlichia · Top Commenter · Rochester, New York
Who would have thought that some Republicans are ignorant pieces of garbage...
Reply · 85 · Like · Follow Post · Friday at 7:26pm

somefeller said...

So, the proof that this is a false flag operation is the fact that there is an anti-Palin website (what a waste of time in this day and age, that's like an anti-Danny Bonaduce website) that sells merchandise with this slogan. Got it. That's proof beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll tell you what.

Incidentally, unless I missed it, I didn't see a shirt on that site that had the same graphic design as the shirt in question and as mentioned above, the shirt can be made by the wearer.

Maybe this is a false flag operation, but thus far the proofs offered don't prove that and my main point is that it is predictable to hear the cry of "moby!" when someone on the right does something gross or stupid. Because conservatives are always above such things. Always.

Alex said...

Adam Kuhn · Top Commenter · Tampa, Florida
As has been said a million times before, not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.

Alex said...

As has been said a million times before, not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans.

This one - pretty much a dogma among liberals right?

yashu said...

PHX=Shiloh.

Oh, no way. phx is one of the better (*much* better) liberal commenters here. No comparison with shiloh. That's why I found some of his earlier comments on this thread disappointing.

We've all (me included) made unworthy comments at some point or other.

Alex said...

We might have a fake on our hands:

Susan Friedline McCrimmon · Top Commenter · Savannah State University
Digital Journal, DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Metadata on picture shows in ICC Profile (when a picture is d/l from camera to computer) that the Data Profile Time was January 25, 2012, almost A YEAR AGO, before Ryan joined the ticket. ELA data shows the Romney/Ryan logo was Photoshoppe


Another Rather-gate? Ann are you on this?

Dr Weevil said...

No, somefeller, one strong piece of evidence (no one's claiming that it's absolute "proof") that this is a false-flag operation is that the only site anyone's found that sells a T-shirt like this one is a lefty site. Apparently, no one thinks righties will buy the shirt, but at least one entrepreneur thinks lefties will. Why would lefties buy it? Perhaps to wear as agents provocateurs, perhaps just to wave as evidence that the other side is evil.

Dr Weevil said...

Alex:
Who the Hell are you quoting in your "Top Commentator" posts (201 and 203), and why?

Lynn Meadows said...

"January 25, 2012, almost A YEAR AGO, before Ryan joined the ticket. ELA data shows the Romney/Ryan logo was Photoshoppe"

well that explains the t-shirt. shoppe? shoppe? look at the package your softwareeee cammeeeee fromeeee..

Alex said...

Lynn the pornstar should STFU about things that are above her 80 IQ reading level.

Alex said...

Dr Weevil - from Buzzfeed comments. Just to highlight exactly what the left truly believes. They believe all conservatives are racists in their hearts.

Lynn Meadows said...

hmmm the tag I found says 05/2012...your point being what exactly?

Alex said...

False flag operation proven

Sorry lefties, but you've been busted again.

Lynn Meadows said...

Alex said...
Lynn the pornstar should STFU about things that are above her 80 IQ reading level."

ok Alex...I'll only talk about you as you are clearly below the 80 threshold. does your wife call you a prick too or am i the only one?

phx said...

Buzzfeed is much more worthy of your mockery than "paranoid" right-wingers here.

Just for the record, I don't read Buzzfeed, I don't know what it is other than Althouse sometimes links to it. Or maybe this is the only time she has, I don't know.

If you'd like me to say that Buzzfeed is a big waste of time and probably as bullshit as it comes for political information, I'm happy to. I wouldn't waste a click on it.

Although I do note I have been wrong before.

Meade said...

purplepenquin said...
....yet anything ugly/threatening that was said to you during the recall protests was absolutely the work of "the Unions" 'cause you find it impossible that Walker would actually follow through on his plan to put some "plants" into the crowd to cause problems.

Do you have evidence for your assertion, purplepenguin? Otherwise, you are just making it up out of whole cloth and intentionally smearing us.

Here is a link to everything posted on this blog having to do with the Wisconsin protests. You can also google for yourself: Althouse+unions+ugly+threatening+Walker+plants

Seeing Red said...

Someone should interview the photographer Jamie Sabau.

Chip S. said...

A person of normal cognitive ability would instantly read "photoshoppe" as a dropped-d typo.

Seeing Red said...

It looks like the original posting came from DU.

SportsGuy said...

These are just the wages of progressivism. Its a feature not a bug.

Dr Weevil said...

"Lynn Meadows" says she's found a 5/2012 date on the photo, but doesn't note that Romney didn't pick Ryan until August 11th. Oops. That would make it just as fake as a January date, wouldn't it?

She also can't be bothered to deny someone's imputation that she's the same commenter as the one who called herself "Lindsey Meadows", which is (I'm told) the name of a pornstar. When I'm acccused of being the same person as another poster, here or on other sites, I always correct the record. If the two L. Meadowses are not the same commenter, maybe one of them should say so.

SportsGuy said...

These are just the wages of progressivism. Its a feature not a bug.

Alex said...

Once it's been proved that this guy was a DNC/Obama plant the reverberations will be astronomical. I predict a 40 state sweep for Romney!

Fr Martin Fox said...

Somefeller:

Noted how incurious you are.

Alex said...

Why should the left be curious about this story? It's all about the narrative man!

Synova said...

"Maybe this is a false flag operation, but thus far the proofs offered don't prove that and my main point is that it is predictable to hear the cry of "moby!" when someone on the right does something gross or stupid. Because conservatives are always above such things. Always."

Proof?

At what point do we need proof that someone is innocent before we're allowed to claim they're not guilty?

I think you're getting that completely backward.

There is an extremely *reasonable* doubt involved that this guy is legit and certainly that he's representative of the other people at the rally.

Athouse is right about this. Someone is invested in bringing race into it and fanning racial division and hard feelings... and it's not the people claiming this guy doesn't represent them, no matter his motivation.

The Palin-Hate site is a good example of the same. It's someone on the left putting hateful and hurtful slogans in her mouth because hurting Republicans is worth spouting vile things. Just like the pro-AA people inviting David Duke to California all those years ago to give him a podium and a platform to speak. Just like the lefty pro-public education lobby in California that ran, on the radio, adds trying to scare Christians with the religious fear that Wiccans could homeschool their children. Just like Kerry asking after Cheney's gay daughter.

Its USEFUL to try to rile up racial hatreds or fan fear of Wiccans or stir up anti-gay feelings if it serves a liberal purpose. It's worth it to print up cups and buttons and shirts with "put the white back in white house" because portraying Republicans as racist is useful.

Yes?

Go and read the comments at buzzfeed, Somefeller. One after another after another of happy confirmation that Republicans are racist like they always knew was true.

What does this do for black people or race relations in this country?

It's vile and do you care?

Or are you more interested in proving innocence instead of proving guilt.

Carnifex said...

All right...since some other commentators are vouching for him PHX is off the ignore list. And I am glad for that later statement he made. too bad he didn't read MY earlier post and see that I made it first.

phx said...

But you mock right-wingers here as irrational and paranoid for (1) making that probable inference and (2) objecting to this kind of thing. Disappointing from you, phx.

When I first saw this and read the second comment, I thought it was extremely improbable that this was a false flag - and by that I thought what was meant was they staged a guy at the rally and the photographer and he were in cahoots. I was all "No way! You guys are irrational! Think horses, not zebras."

I saw my assumptions, at least insofar as they so one-sided were probably wrong. People apparently do false flag crap.

I wouldn't mock anyone for objecting to any bona fide false flag operation. To what extent they actually exist I have no idea, but it's a concept that I find revolting.

I'm also not someone who sees the collapsing newspaper industry and the ascendancy of so-called "new media" as a good thing. I think it's probably disastrous for citizens.

yashu said...

It sure would be nice to hear some liberals here (or elsewhere) repudiate and denounce racist false flag/ moby tactics.

Unfortunately, I imagine many liberals feel it's justifiable as a means to an end-- just dirty politics as usual, tu quoque, don't you know. Or they think it's "fake but accurate," so what's the problem?

It sure would be nice to hear from some liberals who don't think or feel the above, and denounce such tactics without reservation.

Lynn Meadows said...

i'm more concerned that this bloke has "romney.com" on his shirt...not to mention what appears to be a lizard of a neck...talk about a double whammy.

yashu said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
yashu said...

By the way, my last comment wasn't directed (or at least not directed specifically) at you, phx. Was written before your last comment. I have no problem at all with your recent comments and in fact commend them.

Fr Martin Fox said...

OK, let's play it out; let's stipulate "X"--"X" being whatever datum would, somehow, metaphysically rule out the "false flag" operation--meaning that the fellow was a plant.

That leaves us with a fellow showing up with this shirt at a Romney rally.

What, exactly, does that mean?

What in the photo tells you who this guy is for?

Let us now stipulate that we learn the fellow actually wants Romney elected.

That proves what?

More embarrassingly bad reasoning at work here.

phx said...

yashu: well our posts crossed, I think I gave you your wish. But I'll put it anyway you want it.

People doing for false flags for any side are nearly as low as you can get, IMO. If the trend goes this way I'll just stop participating in elections altogether.

Dr Weevil said...

Synova:
Just to rub in the implications of what you wrote doubting whether this guy is "representative of the other people at the rally" - assuming that the picture was even taken at an R-R rally, which is not proven:

If he were representative of Romney-Ryan supporters, wouldn't you think the photographer could have gotten a picture with other people wearing R-R shirts shaking his hand, pointing at his shirt and laughing (with him, not at him), hugging him, showing any sign of approval whatsoever? But no, there's no evidence that anyone other than (obviously) the photographer was standing behind him where they could see the message on this shirt. Highly suspicious.

Alex said...

Are we to assume that 0% of people at Obama rallies are racists? All the racists are Republicans right? In fact only a white person CAN be a racist according to official leftist dogma.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Somefeller:

No, righties aren't above or beyond stupid things. But they tend to make different stupid mistakes.

Like arguing--in a few cases, still!--about the President's birth certificate, or getting into the Muslim things.

Alex said...

Is Romney supposed to have crowd watchers positioned everywhere to identify the mobys and get them ejected? Is it possible nobody even noticed this guy? Isn't it suspicious that the photographer managed to catch this one guy?

Alex said...

Remember the black Congresscritter claimed a Tea Partier spit at him and shouted racial slurs? Remember how the MSM ate it up? It's about the truth of the narrative MAN and don't you forget it.

proof - all the left needs to know is in the hearts of Republicans.

yashu said...

People doing for false flags for any side are nearly as low as you can get, IMO.

Agreed. Such tactics are repulsive whether they come from the left or the right.

And yes, you did express exactly what I said I'd like to hear from liberals (before I said it). It's much appreciated.

Inga said...

Yashu, Ok, here goes:

I DENOUNCE any and all false flag Moby operations!

bagoh20 said...

Ok, just to make up for my rude thread jacking (but hey it was very cool), I'll comment on the subject here:

Some people are really hoping this was authentic racist bigotry from the side always accused of it. They are hoping and wishing that racism is alive and well. They want it, and they will be very disappointed if they don't get it.

That is the bulk of what's left of the racism problem in this country. That's what "ugly" really looks like.

Fr Martin Fox said...

I hereby denounce Albigensianism!

Lynn Meadows said...

Alex said...
Are we to assume that 0% of people at Obama rallies are racists? All the racists are Republicans right?"

good alex...you are catching on...never too late.

Fr Martin Fox said...

On another note...watching the Bengals-Browns game, and lots of guys are wearing pink stuff for breast-cancer-awareness.

Very gallant of them.

Too bad almost no one seems to care about prostate cancer.

phx said...

I may not come out of this thread so good, but you know who comes out the best for me?

eddutcher.

I never thought I'd say something like that here, but life never stops keeping me humble.

You know, except when I'm bravely superior.

Inga said...

Me too Father, whatever that is!

Lynn Meadows said...

Alex said...
Is Romney supposed to have crowd watchers positioned everywhere to identify the mobys and get them ejected?"

nope alex. just like bush, he has operatives who prevent people from "entering his area" and not ejecting them from it. just try walking up to a romney opening area...haha..when he visited michigan last i tried and couldn't get near the place...may have had something to do with a picture of romney and the caption "bonehead" under it on my t-shirt. cost me $9.95 to buy the t. sniff.

but i looked amazing if i say so myself. my hubby still likes it when i wear it to bed...something about f...ing romney once and for all lol.

phx said...

Oh Jesus! There's a priest here! Bless me Father for I have sinned the sin of pride and made false accusations against my neighbor. I detest all my sins.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Phx:

Sorry, no confessions over the Internet, just in person. (Because all sacraments are personal encounters, they can't be given remotely.)

phx said...

Get with it, Father.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Lynn:

Serious question: are you seriously suggesting this fellow walked into the Romney rally with that shirt visible to the checkers?

phx said...

And I was disrespectful to a priest.

rcommal said...

Interesting. A freelance sports photographer with tons of sports photographs out on the web (posters, too). Recently, it seems he has branched out into political photography. Nothing wrong with that, with branching out in one's career, expanding it, whatever. But it does seem interesting to me that the only political photos by this photographer that I've so far found are related to Romney/Ryan, including the photo that is the subject of this post. A tangential oddity--from which, to be clear and to be sure, one should be very careful about drawing inferences--but an oddity, nonetheless. Wish the photographer would actually agree to be interviewed by someone in some depth. I'm curious, because it's curious.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Phx:

I don't decide those things, sorry.

phx said...

Just teasing Father Martin.

I just finished A Farewell to Arms recently btw; now that was some disrespectful teasing of a priest.

I don't actually mean to be disrespectful, particularly of a semi-liberal priest.

Alex said...

Look once you wipe the bullshit away, there is only 2 possible truths.

Either the guy is a real conservative racist and nobody noticed him or the people around him actively approved of his t-shirt.

Or he's a moby and everyone in the crowd either didn't notice or were preferred to be focused on Romney.

So which was it?

Rusty said...

Alex said...
Once it's been proved that this guy was a DNC/Obama plant the reverberations will be astronomical. I predict a 40 state sweep for Romney!




It doesn't make any difference. It's as good as over right now.
Romneys is our next president.

Alex said...

So I just want it to be clear. If I'm at a Romney rally and I notice a racist, am I supposed to beat him up? Punch his teeth in? What exactly should I be doing?

Fr Martin Fox said...

Phx:

I never read A Farewell to Arms. Worth reading?

Also, am I the "semi-liberal priest" you have in mind? I'm not sure what makes me "semi-liberal." You may be disappointed in me. Just fair warning.

Meade said...

Alex, why would you be at a Romney rally?

Mike H. said...

When they shaved his head they could have shaved his face also. Makes him look like a bum working for a bottle.

Dr Weevil said...

Alex:
I have yet to see any evidence that this was actually taken at a Romney rally, rather than posed somewhere.

It's certainly true that no one in the picture can see the message from where they're standing, so there's no evidence that anyone except the photographer (who apparently hung up when someone asked about it) ever saw it. That's part of what makes this so suspicious.

rcommal said...

So I just want it to be clear. If I'm at a Romney rally and I notice a racist, am I supposed to beat him up? Punch his teeth in? What exactly should I be doing?

Definitely don't resort to violence.

It would depend on why you were there. If you were there documenting the event, I'd suggest you interview the guy and take a number of pictures from different angles, in close up and in wider shots. Even if you were there just out of general interest, or by happenstance, or whatever, and happened to see a primo opportunity to take a provocative shot, I'd still suggest you try and interview the guy if you think you might be posting the photo or offering it to someone else for posting (either for free or for pay) or even just letting someone post it. Of course, maybe the photographer did do that. Maybe he didn't do that. Maybe he did take several pictures. Who knows??? The photographer would, of course. That's why I wish he'd give an interview of some depth.

phx said...

A Farewell to Arms is worth reading if the American novel is at interesting to you. The priest in question in the novel was a fascinating minor character. Hemingway gave him great dignity.

I won't be disappointed if you aren't semi-liberal. I don't really care about that stuff.

rcommal said...

Getty Images' Editorial Policy

YoungHegelian said...

@Father Martin Fox,

I hereby denounce Albigensianism!

But, are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Arian Nation?

(Pun on Arian/Aryan very much intended)

exiledonmainst said...

"She also can't be bothered to deny someone's imputation that she's the same commenter as the one who called herself "Lindsey Meadows", which is (I'm told) the name of a pornstar. When I'm acccused of being the same person as another poster, here or on other sites, I always correct the record. If the two L. Meadowses are not the same commenter, maybe one of them should say so."

Maybe Lynn is Lindsay the Talking Vajayjay's equally bitchy, equally brain-damaged twin sister.



Alex said...

Responsibility
We believe that photographs are the visual communication of a story and should be held to an equal level of accountability, responsibility and integrity as the written word in journalism. Images illustrate and reflect the events of our world today and therefore have a responsibility to be delivered to the customer with accuracy and impartiality.


safe to say this journalist wasn't adhering to that principle.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Phx:

OK, I was just curious how you got the idea I was "semi-liberal."

The only Hemingway novel I've read is The Sun Also Rises. It may be a defect in me, but I didn't find the book terribly enjoyable or profound. I don't mind Mr. Hemingway's style, but I was hoping there would be something of great merit or art. It may well be there, but I didn't pick up on it.

Alex said...

Wow, Lynn Meadows has quite the resume:

Awards

2008 AVN Award nominee – Unsung Starlet Of The Year[2]
2008 AVN Award nominee – Best POV Sex Scene – POV Pervert 7[2]
2008 AVN Award nominee – Best POV Sex Scene – Fresh Meat 23[2]
2008 F.A.M.E. Award finalist – Most Underrated Star[3]
2009 AVN Award nominee – Best Oral Sex Scene – Tristan Taormino's Expert Guide to Oral Sex 2: Fellatio[4]
2009 AVN Award nominee – Best Threeway Sex Scene – Sweat 3[4]
2009 AVN Award nominee – Unsung Starlet Of The Year[4]
2009 XRCO Award nominee – Unsung Siren[5]
2010 AVN Award nominee – Best supporting actress – The Price of Lust[6]
2011 AVN Award nominee – Best Group Sex Scene – Out Numbered 5[7]

Alex said...

Meade - why wouldn't I be at a rally?

Fr Martin Fox said...

Young Hegelian:

I am not an Arian.

Fr Martin Fox said...

And I'm sorry I couldn't come up with a wittier riposte.

Ann Althouse said...

"....yet anything ugly/threatening that was said to you during the recall protests was absolutely the work of "the Unions" 'cause you find it impossible that Walker would actually follow through on his plan to put some "plants" into the crowd to cause problems."

1. You are smearing me and your failure to link to anything, when all my work is on line, speaks for itself. You are wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself.

2. We video'd and photographed people who were making a display of themselves and we did what we could to establish the context. I walked up to people and interviewed them. Many were proud of their Walker-is-Hitler signs and explained them on camera. We included their faces.

3. Meade and I were ACCUSED of being "Walker plants." People pointed at us, calling us "Walker plants." They did this in an intimidating environment that was UGLY and that we documented.

Alex said...

Ann - ask yourself if the left is doing thing that are too vile & disgusting the way you called out conservatives the other week. You will find your own answer I suspect.

Ralph L said...

his party's (GOP's) racist underpinnings
Very racist of them to be against slavery.

who slavered at the opportunity to serve up this racial obscenity
270 comments and nothing on this? Althouse worked hard to fit it in there; y'all are quite niggardly with your praise.

phx said...

We need a thread on the American novel.

Aridog said...

Way back early on this thread, @SomeoneHasToSayIt said, quoting in part ...

This history lesson, from Charlie Martin at PJ Media,...

Woodrow Wilson segregated Federal Buildings and jobs after 50 years of integration under largely Republican administrations.


Interesting, one of the purported founders of Progressivism did this?

Why, yes he did!

Yep, those Democrats can switch hit on race and still succeed. Amazing.

tacotaco said...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA yeah it's the people who object to the shirt's fault for objecting to it. This is the worst logic.

The guy is a Romney supporter. You are ridiculous.

Your poor students for having such a terrible professor.

Alex said...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA yeah it's the people who object to the shirt's fault for objecting to it. This is the worst logic.

The guy is a Romney supporter. You are ridiculous.

Your poor students for having such a terrible professor.


I can see we have another DNC plant.

Fr Martin Fox said...

tacotaco:

He's a Romney supporter, you say?

What is your basis for saying that?

Can you marshal a persuasive argument? Please do so. (If you think it's self-evident, you are being foolish.)

Fr Martin Fox said...

Ah, I realize I'm cranky because the Reds lost--appallingly--in the playoffs last week; I expected to be watching them play in the championship tonight.

And then, to make it worse, the Bengals bungled their game today...in Cleveland!

And, I'm hungry.

jr565 said...

phx wrote:
The paranoia of the right-wing is no longer a trope - it borders on the clinical.

Except of course we have evidence of the left doing exactly what you claim we are being paranoid about. Remember (as but one example)Crash The Tea Party?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002377-503544.html

According to the group's Web site, it is seeking to infiltrate Tea Party groups in order to "propagate their pre-existing propensity for paranoia and suspicion." The site says some members have already attended meetings and rallies.


"Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public's opinion of them," the site says. "We will also use information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans."




We do. Probalby not a good idea for this group to advertise it's strategy online for all to see. But we know what you guys are capable of phx.

Alex said...

phx - it's not paranoia when it's true. The problem is your believe in "the ends justify the means". No ethics, no morality.

Strelnikov said...

How is this any worse than the "Blacks for Obama" campaign sponsored by the WH?
It's almost like there is some kind of double standard at work here.

Fr Martin Fox said...

And...for some reason my remote isn't working, and the channel is stuck on CBS.

Chip S. said...

Fr Martin Fox said...
Ah, I realize I'm cranky because the Reds lost--appallingly--in the playoffs last week;

They're not faring any better in this thread.

CWJ said...

Chip S. - thread winner

Aridog said...

In all this thread, not one us (that I noticed anyway) has asked the simplest obvious question:

What would be wrong with wanting to elect a white man President again?

Is saying it crudely the offense, or the concept itself?

I don't recall Romney saying being White was a major prerequisite for the job ...but I might have missed that, too.

Yeah, I know, I'm a racist to some for even asking such a questions.

It's not like I'm quizzing @Father Fox about Arianism and the Nicene Creed...as if I expect him to be at my doorstep some morning hawking "The Watch Tower." I'm trying to be serious...and when the JW's do show up I usually offer them coffee or tea, since they are invariably courteous and it is a tough row to hoe for them where I live. :-)

Aridog said...

Damn, @Strelnikov said it sooner and more concisely than I did. A good question.

mdgiles said...

Understand. Saying you're going to vote for the black candidate, when you're black is not racism. Saying you're NOT going to vote for the white candidate only because he's white and you're black is racism. All other things being equal, same political values, etc., why not vote for someone who looks like you. Or is the same religion. Or who comes from the same part of the country. In the 19th century every one wore beards, now most men don't. When was the last time you saw a bearded Presidential candidate? These day guys with beards, signal out of the mainstream. That may be unfair, but the want candidates who reflect the voting public.

Lem said...

How is this any worse than the "Blacks for Obama" campaign sponsored by the WH?

How about the congressional black caucasians.. as Rush calls them.

Or the NAACP?

gk1 said...

Yawn. Not even worth commenting on. Some jerkwad wears a racist t-shirt and that somehow tars all republicans? Is this how law professors actually think? Talk about painting a group with a broad brush.

Alex said...

Lynn - ever do a triple penetration scene?

BaltoHvar said...

There is no context, nor any cross-corroboration from another photographer.

The message depicted is/was too raw and explosive to be ignored at the alleged rally.

If the photographer was indeed doing his job, he should have taken a longer shot to establish the visual context.

Looking at the picture once and again, he appears to have lowered the blue jacket seen around his waist long enough for this picture to be taken. However a longer/wider shot would have negated the effect. Likely showing he'd indeed done that, and making the shot indeed counterfeit to what was the goal.

That unfortunately placed Romney sticker just doesn't look right either. It does not look aligned properly with the graphics or the collar.

EMD said...

Oh noes! There might be one racist jerk wad in the audience!

Damn that Romney for being responsible for every single person in the world.

Lynn Meadows said...

Alex said...
Lynn - ever do a triple penetration scene?"

You seem very stressed. How about taking two bullets and calling me tomorrow.

ps limpdick...my husband's last name is Meadows. I am Lynn L. Meadows. My husband calls me Lindsey and I used that name to post a while ago but lipdick shitheads kept doing the porn thing so I figured this might get their minds out of the gutter.

guess not.

rcommal said...

Alex: There's schtick, and then there's bullshit.

Pfuie.

purplepenquin said...

My assertion that ya'll blamed unions for the actions of an individual is based on this, and I stand by that part...but the absoluteness of my statement (saying that ya'll blamed everything on organized labor) was totally wrong of me, and I sincerely apologize...got a lil' trashed last nite and I'm ugly when hungover. I'll try not to let it happen again.

EMD said...

Occam's Razor suggests it's just a guy with a bigoted outlook on race.

Sure, there's questions about the photo, but it's a highly irrelevant piece of media.

yashu said...

Alex: There's schtick, and then there's bullshit.

Pfuie.


Agreed. The "porn" insults directed at LM are obnoxious and lame. We all got the joke the first time. To keep at it just makes you sound like a 12-year-old bully.

bagoh20 said...

Lynn Meadows said:

"... my hubby still likes it when i wear it to bed...something about f...ing romney once and for all lol."

Why would you admit that your husband has to fantasize about Romney when screwing you? I thought I confessed too much around here, but damn, that's got me beat. I bet that after November, your husband will be getting pretty hot every time he watches the news. Get a T-shirt made that says: "Vote Romney, I need a good fucking." Your liberal friends will never know the real meaning.

_Jim said...

Ann sez: "I said it was a mistake for Rush Limbaugh and others to play that Obamaphone lady over and over. Even with no mention of race, I thought the recording was used — with deniability — to stir up racial feelings."

What part of "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd" do you not get about Rush's shtick?

Have you forgotten the #1 tool at his disposal?

He even played that recording the DAY after you made your post!

Get OVER it. You are the one projecting, and it's obviously distressing you greatly ...

I do hope you recover - or evolve.

_Jim

rcommal said...

What part of "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd" do you not get about Rush's shtick?

While I might have various bones to pick with Althouse, I find this attack to be utterly laughable. I think she gets every bit about the point of "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd" shtick. I think that a shared sense of performance art and an impulse to puncture great balloons of hot-air is the obvious point of juncture.

Are you trying to f'n' kid everyone by suggesting you understand otherwise? That you don't get that?

rcommal said...

Gawdalmighty. Maybe there is no point in bothering.

AmericanWoman said...

Ann - You might have to own this own on your own. You're a bit of a race baiter here all by your lonesome:

You asked us all "Back to that T-shirt. Who should be condemned here?"

Why condemn anyone? We live in a tee-shirt world. We live in an amazingly over-visual and under-alphabetic code on paper world.

We get and unget and accept and tolerate tee-short aphorisms every single day in hundreds of ways (especially if we live and work on college campuses)

So why should anyone be condemned?

Sorry - but that word choice "condemned" is totally race-baiting behavior.

Who knew - you - law prof Ann Althouse - a race baiter all on your own?

Martin said...

No true white supremacist would ever support a Mormon, so I know it's a fake.

Kirk Parker said...

phx,

"I'm also not someone who sees the collapsing newspaper industry and the ascendancy of so-called "new media" as a good thing. I think it's probably disastrous for citizens. "

You call it disastrous that Uncle Walter can no longer lie to us and thereby set the national agenda?

Noted.

Alan said...

Put the black back in the budget ink.

EMD said...

A Mach 3 razor every 4 or 5 days is the way to go. I recommend giving it a try.

Hey somefeller, you need to check out Dollar Shave Club

In fact, all men should. For $6/month I get 4 new razor blades sent directly to my house that are as good as the Mach 3. And the video is awesome, too.

furious_a said...

Lindsey: my hubby still likes it when i wear it to bed...something about f...ing romney once and for all lol.

More like he can close his eyes and think of his Party.

Sigivald said...

MAtthew Sablan said: Real racists don't advertise themselves as racists in ways like that; they think their thoughts are normal and acceptable, so they don't go out of their way to make ridiculous statements like that because, as far as their concerned, they're not saying anything controversial

Well, real unconscious I-was-just-raised-like-that racists probably do what you say.

But I've seen the babbling of White Power (and, hell, Black Power) type racists, and they're all about not letting you forget that Race is the only thing they care about.

When The Racial Identity is all they have or care about, it's also all they talk about.

(No bearing, of course, on whether this guy was a provocateur, or just some random asshat.)

«Oldest ‹Older   201 – 313 of 313   Newer› Newest»