September 19, 2010

Maureen Dowd says Christine O'Donnell, like Barack Obama, is "smart to think of politics in terms of passion and myth."

That is, Barack Obama, the presidential campaigner. As an actual President, the "passion and myth... are sorely missing." 
Obama’s bloodless rationality has helped spawn the right’s bloodletting of irrationality.
Now, there's an assertion! I agree that the blood is on the right, but I'm not seeing much rationality from anyone.
[Obama] has never shaken off that slight patronizing attitude toward the working-class voters he is losing now, the ones he dubbed “bitter” during his campaign....

The insane have achieved political respectability while the sane act too good for it all. The irrational celebrate while the rational act bored and above-it-all.
Oh, my. This is all so Dowdesque. She gets multiple themes going, many mixed images, and she demands that you believe that she's tied them all together when she says she has. It's ironic here, because she's the one full of passionate intensity and low on rationality. What I just can't buy is that Obama is rational. He's phlegmatic. He always was. You can read that as rational, but it's irrational to do so.

***

I was just reading an old post of mine from April 2007 — "Is Obama a gasbag?":
[I]f I didn't know who he was and that there was a crowd there, I would picture an old man slumped in an armchair, expatiating for the benefit of anyone unlucky enough to be within earshot. It's formless stream of consciousness. Oh, there is that theme of hope. The stream swirls back there at predictable intervals....

[R]eally, such drivel. Just listing a lot of issues and saying hope, hope, hope should not inspire real hope. I can't believe people are hearing this and thinking: brilliant rhetoric. "Intellectual slovenliness" is a much more apt phrase.
Yes, I know, I ultimately voted for him. Here's a post of mine from February 2008 explaining how I got from "gasbag" to the decision to vote for him in the Wisconsin primary. I can't really say that I was terribly rational.

77 comments:

shoutingthomas said...

[Obama] has never shaken off that slight patronizing attitude toward the working-class voters he is losing now, the ones he dubbed “bitter” during his campaign....

That "patronizing attitude" was never exactly "slight," was it. And Dowdy is the queen of "patronizing attitude," as her next paragraph screams:

The insane have achieved political respectability while the sane act too good for it all. The irrational celebrate while the rational act bored and above-it-all.

Definition of "sane" and "rational" = agrees with Dowdy.

Definition of "insane" and "irrational" = doesn't agree with Dowdy.

That's certainly not a patronizing attitude. Right?

You've got to wonder when the 60s categorization of politics is going to collapse. Democratic = hip and fashionable. Republican = square and unfashionable.

It's so old, so useless and so completely bullshit.

This method of categorization has worn out its life span completely, but we can't seem to drop it. Why?

mesquito said...

phlegmatic is right.

On NPR they speak from the adnoids rather than the diaphragm. That doesn't make the politics any less shrill and extreme.

pm317 said...

"I can't really say that I was terribly rational. "

How terribly convoluted. How about,
'I was not rational.'

FloridaSteve said...

That was painful to read. One of the most tortured rationalizations I've seen in a while.

shoutingthomas said...

Let's dump the rational bit, OK?

Politics, for every individual, is about asserted his/her self-interest in a market of competing self-interests.

This has nothing to do with scientific rationalism or the weighing of evidence.

It's all about who's ox is getting gored, and that's what it should be about.

Obama's supporters include blacks, government workers, welfare recipients and single women. They vote for him because he represents their economic self-interests. To call this some exercise of rationalism is just nuts.

Republican supports include white men and married women, business owners, people who don't want to live on welfare and people who want the government to stay out of their business. Nothing to do with rationalism here either.

You've framed the debate as bullshit, Ann. We aren't supposed to judge our self-interest by some exercise in scientific deduction. We know what our self-interest is by checking out our properties, our bank accounts and who's got our hand in our pockets.

This isn't supposed to be about rationalism.

Dowdy is an unmarried white women living in Manhattan. Obsessed with hip social status. Probably a fag hag at heart. That defines her political values... nothing else.

Maguro said...

Reading that old post, it seems obvious that your vote for Obama was driven by white liberal guilt and nothing else.

I don't believe for a second that you would have been taken in by this charlatan if he'd been white.

America's Politico said...

Obama is the closest perfect President we have ever had. (The others that relate to this framework include JFK, Lincoln, and George Washington).

N.B.: I expect MoDo to be replaced by someone like the Prof. in near future (but after Nov. 2012 election).

Biden is the closest perfect Vice President we have ever had. (The others that relate to this framework include GHWB and LBJ).

Paul Snively said...

Dr. Althouse: having recently taken you to task for your lack of logic in your description of Imam Rauf and comparing it to your lack of logic in voting for President Obama, let me take the opportunity to say "Eh... but the alternative was McCain," and to acknowledge that one could rationally choose against McCain.

What's depressing is that American politics seems to degenerate into this level of hairsplitting.

shoutingthomas said...

Ann, I'd bet your political ideas have changed dramatically over the past decade, and I'll bet that has just about nothing to do with "rationalism."

You have a son. You got married. The anti-male bitchiness of feminism gets a little tiresome when you've got a male son and you've got a husband. You've got a stake in the self-interest of men. So, the man hating bitchy feminism lost its attraction.

I've seen the dynamics of this transformation in white women who get married repeatedly. When white women are single, the profession of feminist and liberal pieties is a status issue. At this stage, women will spend a lot of time declaring how much they are concerned about gays, etc.

This tends to go away quickly after they're married.

The acquisition of property and stability after marriage will produce a equally profound change in the political ideas of a white woman.

It's not about rationalism. It's about who's ox is getting gored, and who's got their hand in your pocket.

mesquito said...

Closest perfect?

Lisa said...

I never saw the great rhetoric and I never understood how people who think they are rational and reality based found platitudes and promises of hope to be wiser than experience and knowledge.

Unless one considers the self-esteem generation where feeling good is more important than competence.

America is fucked.

rick said...

In less than one month from being an unknown to being the GOP's senate nominee, we know more of O'Donnell's background than we know about the Umm-in-Chief's. Her entire background is out there for all the world to see and critique....school loans, witchcraft, lawsuits.

Am I the only one noticing this?

lyssalovelyredhead said...

I'm pleased to see that the professor was supporting Rudy for a while there.

I sure wish that had worked out, and we wouldn't be in this mess.

- Lyssa

Sixty Grit said...

Mesquito, America's Asshole does not speak English. He tries, but is always found wanting. I think he is either a muslim plant paid for by Soros or a Chicom agent. In either case, he is a stooge and an illiterate.

WV: mingsta - a gangsta from the Ming dynasty.

ricpic said...

Most fascinating of all is that the editorial staff at the NY Times has no problem with their bag lady columnist throwing around the term insane as a description of the entire center to right political spectrum. Kinda gives the game away.

Lisa said...

ShoutingThomas,

That was pretty condescending. To say that the Professor's views will change as she acquires property through marriage like all women who marry. As if we only acquire property through marriage. As if we abandon the premises of equality because we have to put our man first.

Funny, you don't seem to think men change as a result of marriage; I assume that you believe men to be rational and constant while women are irrational and inconstant.

I think that says more about YOUR opinion of women than it reflects upon the reality of the world.

shoutingthomas said...

Conversely, this is the reason why contemporary liberals keep puffing out their chests and unleashing their latest sanctimonious diatribe... they are proudly proclaiming to us that their politics are based on high minded rationalism.

They aren't motivated by lowly self-interest, like some dumb home owner out in Jersey. They're motivated by high level concern for abstract ideals.

This is, of course, bullshit.

For instance, in the arts, the profession of PC liberalism is a pre-requisite for being seen or heard.

When I was younger and hustling like crazy to try to make an impact in the music business, I was very liberal. And, viola! It worked. The more I professed liberal ideals, the farther I progressed in the business.

When I got sick of it and absented myself from that business, my politics changed quite dramatically. There was no longer anything to gain from declaring my belief in high minded ideals.

shoutingthomas said...

Jesus Christ, Lisa, you don't seem to get it.

I don't give a flying fuck about feminism.

Repeat that to yourself a few times.

mesquito said...

Lisa, Shouting Thomas doesn't need to say that men change with marriage. It is understood by everyone. It's the primary purpose of marriage, for Pete's sake.

edutcher said...

I was going to say something about drivel, but Ann beat me to it.

If O'Donnell prevails (and she just might, given the buildup the Lefties are giving her), people like MoDo will wonder how it could have happened.

America's Politico said...

...

Biden is the closest perfect Vice President we have ever had.

Only if you go by Cactus Jack Garner's definition of the Office of Vice President.

PS Love the WV, SixtyGrit.

Ann Althouse said...

Paul Snively said..."Dr. Althouse: having recently taken you to task for your lack of logic in your description of Imam Rauf and comparing it to your lack of logic in voting for President Obama, let me take the opportunity to say "Eh... but the alternative was McCain," and to acknowledge that one could rationally choose against McCain."

The post I linked to is about my decision to vote for Obama in the primary. The alternative was Clinton.

Ultimately, I did vote for Obama in the general election and my reason was the rejection of McCain. The post explaining how McCain lost me is here. That was not based on any kind of passion for Obama. It was coolly rational.

The Crack Emcee said...

"I can't really say that I was terribly rational."

There - bravo - now was that so hard? My respect for you just went up three points. Fine - four.

kcom said...

Anne from 2008:
"As I said above, I haven't liked [Hillary], but I pictured myself voting for her anyway — back when she was inevitable. But Obama's growing power allowed me to cast off my resignation."

Perhaps not enough has been made of this point. The depressing effect of the "inevitability" of Hillary on people looking for a wide open campaign and a real choice after Bush, because of the open presidential seat, might not have been properly acknowledged. Obama was the one who, and probably the only one who could have, popped the top off that carbonated bottle of pent up Hillary fatigue and let the contents come fizzing out. In a way, I'm guessing certain people felt they owed him their support, just for that act of public service.

The downside is that I think it's clear that the overwhelming reason Obama was able to pop that top was because he was essentially playing the race card, whether intentionally or not. Otherwise, as I've said before, he would have just been John Edwards-lite, and that wouldn't have been enough to get the job done, i.e. putting Hillary's nomination in jeopardy. Or more specifically, cracking the veneer of her inevitability.

Unfortunately, that doesn't qualify one to be a good president. Add in plenty of votes based on white guilt (see Joe Biden's "you've got the first African-American who is articulate and bright and clean"), plenty more votes based on voting against McCain as the only alternative (very similar to the votes he got because Hillary was the only alternative) and suddenly you have a president underqualified for the job. He was qualified to pierce Hillary's bubble and really good at campaigning, but not particularly qualified or suited to be president.

P.S. I think Ann should have stuck to her initial assessment of his speeches as empty piffle. How do you bond with empty piffle?

Peter V. Bella said...

Obama bitterly clings to his gasbaggery and irrationality.

Maureen Dowd has nothing to bitterly cling to.

Peter V. Bella said...

American Politico,

Please define perfection. JFK was the most flawed president we ever had. He, like Obama, was all flash and romance. No substance or accomplishment. He is only remembered for his assassination.

Joe Biden is the dumbest white man in America. He is like the drooling, ignorant, unwashed, crazy uncle who lives in the attic.

I guess perfection is defined as cretinism, bling, and panache.

dave in boca said...

"she's the one full of passionate intensity and low on rationality."

Yes, the Mododo projects onto C O'D her own deranged hallucinations, generated in that Upper West Side cocoon she rarely leaves. O'Donnell may be a bit loopy, but Castle amassed $8 million in forty-five years of public service and gets shirty when he's ditched. Coons is a serial tax-increase addict who espouses Marxism, proudly.

I'm a bitter clinger and thank God, it looks like The Won is a one-termer.

Peter V. Bella said...

Am I the only one noticing this?

No, others have. Some have been screaming about it. It is being ignored by the media, the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.. Just like the President's lack of accomplishments were.

1jpb said...

Isn't it great how the lefties from Stewart to MoDo openly and aggressively attack libs?

Presumably the right thinks that it's irrational/counterproductive to attack it's own (as Rove recently experienced). Maybe they're right when it comes to winning elections.

But, such mandatory blind devotion was not helpful during the W years (or the Reagan years when the debt was tripled, and the deficit was doubled as a percentage of GDP, and middle income folks experienced a huge payroll tax increase that was designed to tax higher income folks at zero percent, and the reward for terrorists who killed hundreds of Americans (83) was that we retreated months later).

It's fascinating that the cons are now telling us that "this time" they will force their office holders to act w/ fiscal prudence. But,

a) They're already mindlessly following marching orders even when it's obvious that some pause could be wise, as the Rove incident shows.

b) They're back to the voodoo economics of Reagan and Bush. This time they tell us that the deficit is a big problem, and they're also telling us that an additional decade long four trillion deficit is no problem. We are told that taxation for rich folks at the WJC level would be the destruction of America ushered in by a Kenyan anti-colonial commie (and the cons visceral feelings (myths) have no room for our true history e.g. regarding taxes, how do they not hate Ike much more than BHO: Ike had the top rate at more than 2.5 times the proposed BHO (previous WJC) level when it was 91%)

And, MoDo calls them irrational. Wonder why?

shoutingthomas said...

That was incomprehensible jibberish j1pb.

Want to try again?

Try plain English, shorter sentence.

edutcher said...

pb&j goes on about Conservatives not attacking their own when plenty of them went after Dubya for his spending, and I do believe the Lefties were screaming about the deficit in '08.

Oh, well, who cares about facts?

The Crack Emcee said...

"When I was younger and hustling like crazy to try to make an impact in the music business, I was very liberal. And, viola! It worked. The more I professed liberal ideals, the farther I progressed in the business."

True. Once I said, openly, "this is bullshit", they turned on me like nobody's business - ruthlessly.

bagoh20 said...

Rationality is over rated, especially when big things need done. The desire to be or appear rational leads people to take a wait and see approach, or to become mired in analysis. Meanwhile the forces against you passionately saw the legs off of your chair.

The correct path is not usually that hard to discern. Execution is the challenge and passion is everything. Obama's election is clear example of the power of passion over rationality.

Choosing rationally is the most important part, but it is also the easy part. You can't skip it, nor dwell on it if you hope to succeed.

Bruce Hayden said...

It is an interesting election this time.

Normally, the rational is on the right, and they shake their heads at the emotionality of the left.

And, mark my word, you have to be voting emotionally in most cases to vote liberal. Why? Because that is their entire appeal. Their policies, invariably, when viewed dispassionately, are destined to failure, as they have been routinely, since the 1930s, and esp. since LBJ's Great Society.

Think about how we can have the President we have right now, whose entire claim to being the best person for the job, and why every who voted for him seemed to do so, was that he has an Ivy League education, is half Black, looks decently good for a mulatto, and could make fairly decent emotional speeches about hope and change, as long as he had a teleprompter close.

In short, his appeal was 100% emotional. Maybe some of the emotion was rational, due to the Bush fatigue generated by 8 years of negative press by the MSM. But emotional, none the less.

And, no wonder every thing he touches as President turns to excrement. He is grossly unqualified for the job.

Policy choice after policy choice is emotionally driven on the left. Borrow and buy our way out of a recession. Yey! The more the better. Give everyone free health care. Yey! No excess bonuses. Yey! No excess premium increases. Yey! Nail those banks and other financial institutions? Yey!

And that is why it is often so frustrating to argue with liberals, because in the end, they are liberals because they are either emotional, or exploiting those who are emotional.

This time around though, the rational side of the divide has gone emotional, in reaction to the incompetence of President Obama, and, in particular, the gross excesses of the Democrats running Congress this time. They have watched them flush some two trillion or so dollars down the drain, endebting all our grandchildren, in order to pay off political allies. They have watched the destruction of the best health care system in the world in the name of equality. They are watching the looming massive tax increases of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, in order to spread the wealth around. All in the midst of a major recession, made much worse by the Democrats running the country.

And, so, the rational side of the American public has gone emotional this election cycle, and liberals like MoDo don't know what to do, except to panic.

1jpb said...

Ed,

Why can't the cons hold up HW as the model? What was so bad about HW?

For a while a fair number of cons thought HW was bad because he didn't take over Iraq because he was worried that the costs didn't outweigh the benefits. Presumably, this criticism is less effective today, all things considered.

And, of course, HW did raise taxes (after promising not to) to fight the deficit. The funny thing is that WJC's later tax increase to fight the deficit was actually only doing about half of the work that eventually balanced the budget, poor HW's contribution is never noted because cons (irrationally?) can't acknowledge that taxes need to be collected on a level that equals the expense of government we have (as opposed to the limited, never implemented government that we (incl Reagan and W w/ his con congress) can conjure, only, in our minds) and the libs have no reason to acknowledge that HW's tough decision contributed to the balanced budget. [That sentence was even more convoluted than my usual, just for shoutingt.]

I'm waiting for the next George HW Bush.

Bruce Hayden said...

b) They're back to the voodoo economics of Reagan and Bush. This time they tell us that the deficit is a big problem, and they're also telling us that an additional decade long four trillion deficit is no problem. We are told that taxation for rich folks at the WJC level would be the destruction of America ushered in by a Kenyan anti-colonial commie (and the cons visceral feelings (myths) have no room for our true history e.g. regarding taxes, how do they not hate Ike much more than BHO: Ike had the top rate at more than 2.5 times the proposed BHO (previous WJC) level when it was 91%).

Only vodoo economics if you aren't smart enough to see that it works. In any case, up until the end, this is exactly the sort of emotional argument I was talking about.

In regards to the deficit, there is a big difference in the effect on the economy between a $200B to $400B year or so deficit run up in a boom, as opposed to $1500B deficits run up in the depths of a recession. The first could, almost, be justified by the fact that we were at war, after 9/11. The later? And, esp. where the money was spent, and wasn't spent? Pure selfish splurging on the part of the Democrats in power and their biggest supporters. Oh, and never forget that the last two Bush years were under a Democratic Congress, and that is why spending (and borrowing) started to significantly increase starting after the 2006 election.

As for tax rates, Ike, etc., the question right now is not the level of marginal taxation on higher incomes that an economy in a boom can support, but rather, the effects of raising marginal tax rates in the midst of a major recession (made significantly worse by the feckless actions of the Democrats running the country right now).

So, talking about tax rates under Ike, is totally irrelevant to the situation here. Besides, you also need to look at the percentage of GDP going to the government, and, thus, acting as a drag on the economy, in addition to the marginal rates. And that percentage has jumped significantly over the last year and a half, to essentially the highest levels since WWII (and likely worse, if you add in state and local taxes).

shoutingthomas said...

Another incomprehensible bit, 1jpb.

Try periods. Avoid run-on sentences.

If you can't even write sentences that can be understood, what does that say for your reasoning?

What, exactly, are you trying to say?

Remember. Short sentences. Avoid all the dependent clauses. Don't run on and on.

bagoh20 said...

H.W.'s choices were exactly the kind that got us where we are. I think he was a decent man, but our problems are a result of not addressing government spending, period. Only raising taxes when the budget gets out of whack is the enabling policy that has bankrupted us. It has a long history, and H.W. just didn't change it - he push it along on it's way. That stinking train has now arrived at the station. It was not his doing, but he did nothing to slow it down either.

Bruce Hayden said...

The funny thing is that WJC's later tax increase to fight the deficit was actually only doing about half of the work that eventually balanced the budget, poor HW's contribution is never noted because cons (irrationally?) can't acknowledge that taxes need to be collected on a level that equals the expense of government we have.

You forgot to mention that the big reason that Clinton was closer to balancing the budget was that Reagan and Bush (41) rebuilt our military, and as a result, were able to win the Cold War, and fight the First Gulf War successfully. That cost money. And, then Clinton slashed military spending, by, for example, cutting the number of active Army divisions in half, mothballing the battleships, etc., and that "Peace Dividend" was a big factor in his success. Also, of note, that GHWB operated under a Democratic Congress, and Clinton, after screwing up his first two years, operated under a Republican Congress that just wouldn't let him squander money like the current Congress does.

So, any time anyone talks about Clinton "balancing the budget", keep in mind, that spending bills comes from Congress, and that these were Gingrich budgets.

GMay said...

Prof. Althouse said: "I can't really say that I was terribly rational."

After you said this concerning your primary vote, my respect went up for you immensely considering your rationalization for voting for Obama in the general.

Then you brought that rationalization back up and still seem to be defending it here:

"That was not based on any kind of passion for Obama. It was coolly rational."

Yes, technically it's coolly rational. Logical? Not so much.

sunsong said...

The insane have achieved political respectability while the sane act too good for it all. The irrational celebrate while the rational act bored and above-it-all.

Strong statement from Maureen. People are so concerned about the economy and debt and jobs that they don't seem to care who stops it. And that is understandable. But what happens when these loopy folks have to face other issues? - what if *events* in the world change radically (and they might) - how does someone who lives on the extreme edge deal with other major problems?

1jpb said...

You cons and your myths.

The facts are that the only way the federal government balanced it's budget was by raising taxes to match spending. Your combination of excuses for Rs that blow up the debt (e.g. BHO walking into a 1.3 billion dollar deficit before turning on the lights) boil down to

a) Nope, didn't happen. We don't care about your stinkin' numbers. La lalalalalalal....

b) The Ds made us do it. Therefore, e.g. Reagan never submitted a balanced budget to congress.

c) Sure we controlled all the levers of power, sure we passed tax cuts, sure we didn't cut spending. But, we were justified because we would never deficit spend unless it was justified.

All of you excuse making cons in this thread are 100% of the problem. Too bad y'all can't learn (e.g. from Stewart and MoDo) how to tear apart your own when they're F-ing up.

It looks like we're a long way away from the next, rational, George HW Bush.

michaele said...

In reference to one of Shouting Thomas's points...probably doesn't need to be said but Althouse has been a home owner long before Meade came into her life. However, I'd be surprised if having a respected, more politically conservative adult in the household to exchange ideas with has not had an effect.

1jpb said...

it's ot its

who cares?

1jpb said...

billion or trillion

again, who cares

roesch-voltaire said...

Down is partial right judging by the posters on this blog who embrace an irrational celebration for O'Donnell, who has become a Palin, just because she says no. But I like Dowd, and Althouse because they mix up images as they push for insights. I mean Fast trains and Big Brother is cute and hits the mark in a way even though it ignores the cool things government has done like say Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase. I also think the rational, like Dowd, Obama, and Althouse, try to make meaning out of a complex reality, and sometimes they use images and metaphors to explain themselves--some trite like hope, or common sense spewed by politicians, and some a bit richer.

michaele said...

Ha, when Dowd writes "He seems weary of crisis management, conveying the attitude of the hero in “The Incredibles” who has to keep saving the world: “Sometimes I just want it to stay saved!”
All all I could think of was Obama's plaintive "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" lament during the campaign.

pm317 said...

"The post I linked to is about my decision to vote for Obama in the primary. The alternative was Clinton."

How is that decision working out?

pm317 said...

The real election in 2008 was the Dem primary and you picked the charlatan.

All those years in school and all that smartness..

Emil said...

Jeez. You say you voted for him in the primary, but you do not mention anything about the general election. I'd let the primary vote slide. But, don't tell me that you voted for him in the general, please.

Ann Althouse said...

"... in the music business... And, viola! It worked..."

Because it was the music business, a violin or a cello might also have worked.

Paddy O said...

rim shot!

El Pollo Real said...

Division by Zero is infinitely terrible.

Bruce Hayden said...

The facts are that the only way the federal government balanced it's budget was by raising taxes to match spending. Your combination of excuses for Rs that blow up the debt (e.g. BHO walking into a 1.3 billion dollar deficit before turning on the lights) boil down to.

Keep dreaming. When Clinton (and the Gingrich Congress) came close to doing so, a lot of it was due to the "Peace Dividend", a one time major cut in our military, that was possible thanks to Reagan, et al. effectively winning the Cold War.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Because it was the music business, a violin or a cello might also have worked."

Hey, ST, now the Obama voter's going to tell us about the politics of the music business, too! It just never stops - even after an admission she was wrong. Adding insult to the injury of fucking us.

Hey, Ann, do they cover the meaning of "charlatan" and "con game" in those big prestigious lawyer schools out there? If they do, then please answer me this:

Most normal people - after they realize they've been "played" - get TOTALLY PISSED OFF at the perps and want, both, justice and their money back - why not you?

You just seem to lash out at anyone who points out you got played. All we're asking for is some intellectual honesty - which, I admit, I've found to be a major demand for liberals to adhere to - why the snark?

You know as much about the music business, and the people in it, as I know about fly fishing - which ain't shit. The very first musician to assist me, after my marriage came apart, insisted I should immediately get my astrological chart done. Now think about Madonna and Kabbalah. Or Robbie Williams and U.F.O.s.

That's the fucking music business.

The Crack Emcee said...

And hey, Ann, if they do cover the meaning of "charlatan" and "con game" in those big prestigious lawyer schools out there, why don't I ever see you lawyers going after 'em?

I know: too busy taking photos on vacations the rest of us rubes can't get because we don't have the sheepskin of liberal-approved knowledge.

Oh, the humanity - or lack thereof.

Ann Althouse said...

Crack, it was a spelling joke!

Trooper York said...

Crack Emcee said
And hey, Ann, if they do cover the meaning of "charlatan" and "con game" in those big prestigious lawyer schools out there, why don't I ever see you lawyers going after 'em?

Dude. The only reason to go to law school is to learn how to be a "charlatan" and a "con man." Once you get your sheepskin you are a certified "con man."

The only thing worse than a journalist is a lawyer.

Trooper York said...

"Crack Emcee said...
Now think about Madonna and Kabbalah. Or Robbie Williams and U.F.O.s.

That's the fucking music business."


On the other hand Jerry Vale and Johnny Roselli were very normal guys who sold great music out of the trunks of their car.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann,

"Crack, it was a spelling joke!"

O.K., maybe I can't spell, but I missed the joke. Can you answer my question, though? Why don't all these lawyers go after the cons plaguing the country?

Troop,

How about "that's the fucking music business" - today?

"On the other hand Jerry Vale and Johnny Roselli were very normal guys who sold great music out of the trunks of their car."

Setting the example for Rap artists - specifically Easy-E and Too $hort, and then everybody else.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ahh - "viola!" - I get it.

cassandra lite said...

"she's the one full of passionate intensity and low on rationality."

If you're going to raise Yeats, let's point out that the "worst" have been full of passionate intensity since Obama announced his candidacy. Only since Tax Day 2009 have the best not lacked "all conviction." Here's hoping that the center holds, and that we stop slouching to socialism
.

traditionalguy said...

Obama is rational once we accept his Marxist tenants that the world is rightfully incensed at all American's and their Evil Empire that Obama has promised to everyone who listens to destroy from within.

Ann Althouse said...

"And hey, Ann, if they do cover the meaning of "charlatan" and "con game" in those big prestigious lawyer schools out there, why don't I ever see you lawyers going after 'em?"

I haven't been a lawyer since the early 80s. I don't "go after" anybody. I write about things and I teach students.

Jim said...

He wasn't just a gasbag. He willfully obfuscated. I hate that.

And he had a decidedly socialist bent, I thought fairly obviously, in nearly every speech.

Great rhetoric? That was a meme thought up by the MSM. He was a always a scary Marxist. And I use that term accurately.

Marting Luther King was a brilliant orator. Reagan could produce some good speeches I would call inspiring. Obama? Pure gasbag drivel.

traditionalguy said...

Maureen is right that O'Donnell looks like a great Gracie Burns personality that is all too female. Bot, so what. O'Donnell only has to vote with the conservatives for whatever reason. It is Irrelephant how she may chose to express herself. On the other hand a President MUST LEAD... because he is our only leader. That is where Obama is only an empty suit, and where Palin appears to be a confident decision maker.

Trooper York said...

Of course I fucked it up because I was typing too fast.

It is of course Jimmy Roselli and here is his famous performance of Malafemmena which is the soundtrack of my life.

Imagine sipping an espresso and eating a biscoti while listening to this on a scratchy victrola between bocci games and you have it.

Trooper York said...

"Malafemmena" is of course the classic song of the Italian immigrant bemoaning the faithless women who did an honest working man wrong.

A classic from the Italian Immigrants perspective.

Alex said...

So Ann - who is rational? Nancy Pelosi? Really we're all dying to know who you think is NOT crazy.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann,

"I haven't been a lawyer since the early 80s."

I did not know that.

"I don't 'go after' anybody."

Well, that explains the spread of con men, anyway.

"I write about things and I teach students."

And, for both, I am eternally grateful. I still wonder about what goes on in your "religion and the law" class, though.

Trooper,

Love the orchestration - I've always liked those crazy, swirling "Flight of the Bumble Bee" type strings - whooosh! gets me every time.

Thanks.

BTW - I'm off to the recording studio, for the first time in years, in just about an hour. Oh, if only I had an orchestra:

Whooosh!

john said...

I don't see the problem, here. Obama has been compared to Spock and called "a lightworker". Not so long ago, Andrew Sullivan couldn't go a minute w/o framing Bush and Iraq in terms of protecting the Shire. Jonah Goldberg is another one still heavily into metaphor featuring the superheroes of his youth, as is pretty much all of Gen X - see Kevin Smith.

You can take the kid out of the drama of the Catholic Church, but you can't take the CC drama out of the kid. (Sullivan, Smith, O'Donnell, Dowd.)

blake said...

That was not based on any kind of passion for Obama. It was coolly rational.

Dispassionate, yes.

Rational, no, I don't think so. At least, not in the political calculus sense.

BT said...

Shouldn't MoDo update her photo? That one has to be about 10 years old.

Ann Althouse said...

" I still wonder about what goes on in your "religion and the law" class, though."

Here's the book we use. You could read it and you'd pretty much know what we do. We talk about how to interpret the first 16 words of the First Amendment, mostly. We study cases, try to understand what the courts have said and why, think about how the various conflicts should be resolved, and hone lawyerly skills making arguments about that. I don't push the students one way or the other. I try to promote understanding and the ability to operate professionally in the legal system.

Ann Althouse said...

And I'm glad to hear you're recording again. I'm sure you have a lot of material.

The Crack Emcee said...

Wow - Thanks, Ann!

I just got back from the studio and, yes, it's coming along brilliantly: with only 7 songs mastered, it already sounds like I have a decent album started (I could stop now and be happy with the results) but there's still a bunch more to go, so I'm going in once more and see if it improves or if it just gets to sounding indulgent or something.

And yes - there's a lot of material to sort through, all from different sessions, recorded by different means - so I thought trying to edit them into something coherent, that holds together as a complete project, was going to be the tough part but, as I said, they now seem to go together quite well, so I'm pretty pleased. So pleased I'll probably be up all night just trying to decide what to call the damned thing.

Thanks, for mentioning it, again: I spend so much time alone, these days, it can honestly seem like no one would care if I lived or died.

Kirk Parker said...

Crack,

"I just got back from the studio ..."

Hmmm, for a second my brain got its wires crossed, and I went looking for the "Like" button. But yeah, that's great! You gonna invite this whole crowd to your release party?

jr565 said...

Paul Snively wrote:
having recently taken you to task for your lack of logic in your description of Imam Rauf and comparing it to your lack of logic in voting for President Obama, let me take the opportunity to say "Eh... but the alternative was McCain," and to acknowledge that one could rationally choose against McCain.


Certainly Mccain is no ideal conservative. However, he's paired against an inexperienced socialist (by association) who wants to bankrupt the coal industry and spread the wealth around, and who speaks in platitudes that work for little children (i.e. Yes We Can), what exactly guided non liberals decisions to vote for this guy?
First black president? Check. Historical. I can see the reasoning. We should have a black president (and a Latino President, and a female President etc.) at some point in our history, but hopefully it's one who would vote for things in our interest? What else? Executive experience? Er.... Nothing else comes to mind. Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
I can see a liberal voting for Obama. He's espousing liberal views. I still cannot get why anyone who is not a liberal would vote for someone SO counter to their own interests.