Per Nerve.
BTW: Amanda Marcotte is still buzzing about it. Without linking too, which causes the buzz to be underestimated. I'd probably be in the top 10 without her unscrupulous underlinking.
September 16, 2008
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That was a fun blog post. Still relevant today too.
Another barrier might fall next. Perhaps President Palin could nominate one of the Log Closet Republicans to be her VP.
The Republican party is a big tent. If there's room for the LCRs, there's room for feminists.
It wasn't the one about the boobies?
Yay! It WAS the one with the boobies!!!
Amanda is still struggling to manage the myth she created. You should send her your condolences.
* Amanda, please stop shoving your breasts in my face *
Amanda: Stop looking at my breasts, Fen!
If only she had advised Edwards to stop doing the same..
It took Ann Althouse’s peculiar mix of needing praise from right wing men and her loathing of other women to come up with the idea that Jessica Valenti shouldn’t have left her house with her breasts on. They are true believers in the idea that one can be very sexy but also desexualized, which is why Palin is being treated like this giant sex object, because she’s got a practiced ability at being fuckable without showing that she might be the sort who wants to fuck.
This, from an alleged feminist whose sole claims to fame and feminist glory are being fired or quitting the Edwards campaign, being obscene and vulgar, and possibly being a closet racist.
Ms. Marcotte's contribution to society and feminism seems to be her "bitchy teenage petulance, her hatred of men, her foul language, and her maniacal scribblings.
Is this the feminist ideal?
Amanda - wrong, but still ugly. Tell us about the Duke rape hoax again, you fat troll. How's your boy Johnny doing? I see he let his dishonest wife out of their gilded cage. The company you keep - honestly - have you no shame? Wait - I know the answer to that one!
Congratulations for writing such a "buzzy" post!
I'm not a fan of the list writer though. Taken number seven for example:
Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott's 2002 endorsement of Strom Thurmond's pro-segregationist platform — and TPM's breaking of the story — helped boost the legitimacy of blogs as news gatherers even as it signaled the decline of Lott's career.
Emphasis mine.
Oh please.
Ms. Walcott said ...
if you fail to understand the desperate hostility to feminism that’s critical to the culture wars, you fail to understand the culture wars. The word “feminism” itself is this fetishized evil for culture warriors. They either try to shame women out of using it, or they try to use it when it’s not applicable (such as laughably describing someone who opposes any support for women’s equality like Sarah Palin a “feminist"), but they are stuck on hating the word itself and wanting to stomp it out of existence.
And this is why this insipid fool is looked down upon by real thinking people. Real down home rednecks in fly over country. They reject her description of what women are because they see what real women are and what they do. Not the urbanite, I need my Manolo Blanick type woman schtick. Not the black horn-rimmed glasses bookish psuedo-quasi intellectual woman schtick. Not the rampaging bitch, fuck you to all men schitck. But real women who deal with being the glue, the backbone, of the American family and frankly families the world over.
Ms. Walcott sneers at people like this and especially women who are like this. She couldn't shine their fucking shoes as far as I'm concerned. But let Ms. Walcott have her little feminist fantasies. It's all she's got left, poor thing. Too bad that no one seems to have to told her that the time of feminism has come and gone. That it's an outdated dinosaur of political female rhetoric that is about as relevant as moldy bread. Feminism is dead and frankly this country will be better for it. Be and act like a woman Ms. Walcott. Sow some seeds of trust between men and women by doing that Ms. Walcott.
And there's number thirty-seven:
Did John McCain lie about one of the most notable anecdotes from his time as a POW? This post from the liberal political blog Daily Kos indicates that he did. If this news, published just a couple weeks ago, gains traction, it could amount to a Sarah Palin-sized cannonball into the already roiling waters of this campaign season.
The writer of the list seems to be stuck on old, debunked smears on members of the GOP.
Oh, I almost forgot that Dennis the Peasant almost assuredly has something to say about Ms. Walcott's latest droolings. I'm off to go read it.
Unscrupulous underlinking is a feminist issue as it does very little to discourage sagging breasts.
"...that Jessica Valenti shouldn’t have left her house with her breasts on."
That's a funny synopsis.
The breasts per se weren't as much of a problem as having left home without both her handy Irony Meter and her trusty Hypocrisy Helmet.
So she walks right into the Peter Unprincipled, ovaries oblivious to the contradiction, and all of a sudden, well, the Maidenform woman; you never know where she'll turn up.
Very cool Ann. Congrats.
and the 2nd Bitchiest!
L'chaim!
I don't know which pile of old books my copy of Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening Gown would be in.
No matter, the illustrations I wanted are online.
It saves me photographing them.
She makes a good point though, Ann. Your feminist theory is incoherent at best. Also, I question your vow of neutrality. It seems like you are going easy on McCain/Palin.
I swear that what I read was this... if you fail to understand the desperate hostility of feminism that’s critical to the culture wars, you fail to understand the culture wars.
And, well... I sort of have to agree with this... Palin is being treated like this giant sex object, because she’s got a practiced ability at being fuckable without showing that she might be the sort who wants to fuck. Because, you know, nothing is quite so unattractive as a slut. It's sort of like assisted masturbation.
As for the post that started it all... I honestly thought it was a bit unfair. And I suspect in my deepest darkest moments that Ann doesn't mind breasts either and that her real problem is with new-feminists who don't have a clue what feminism is about, think Bill Clinton is something other than a smarmy old user and Monica Lewinsky was just lucky to get to blow him.
That's how I first found this blog. Michael Berube was just livid. I figured anything Berube hated was definitely for me.
"...That it's an outdated dinosaur of political female rhetoric that is about as relevant as moldy bread.." (methadras) god i like that
I liked this too: "Althouse’s peculiar mix of needing praise from right wing men..."
TMink would know better than I, but I sense no small amount of projection here.
Marcotte, our own Sylvia Plath, adores her Daddy, too, the Fascist, the boot in the face, the brute brute heart of a winger like we gots right here.
Amanda wants to swing both ways; fierce Democrat demagogue by day, bipartisan gal-Friday Palin-drone at night.
NTTAWWT.
Mixalhs wrote: . . .
Nah, I don't quote trolls!
Trey
I think it would be a good thing for Ms. Marcotte to come over to the dark side. She can actually be funny and bitchy and a good sport. I read her blog and I tell you it is true. Believe it or not.
She could have her own blog spot with a roster of right wing fan boys. We are easily pleased. Just a few toe photos and the occasional crotch shot in a hammock. But you got to know how to play the game baby.
Shape up and bow down.
Uh...did anyone read the #1 post?
WHOA.
ZPS, the joys of gentrification!
trooper's been falling down on the job:
A Day at the Races (1937):
Dr. Hugo Z. Hackenbush (to Dr. Jessica X. Steinberg) Don't point those boobs at me! They might go off!
No. 3: As he points out here, CBS fell for an obvious trap — an attempt by the right-wing to change the topic from Bush's actual military service to a debate about the alleged lies of the "liberal media."
Right wing trap? WTF?
Yeah... it's a right wing trap when people just make stuff up and get called on it.
As for Bush's military service... it wasn't a story except in Mary Mapes fevered imagination.
The left does not understand pro-military attitudes. Because they don't understand them, their aim is off.
Because even if true (instead of truthy) a memo that Bush missed a physical is just... irrelevant. Heck, anyone in the National Guard knows they tend to be flexible and aren't going to figure this says anything much about Bush's performance. AND as I've explained many times... the reaction to most enlisted men to a young officer with time on his hands is... go away... please!
It was a non-story *before* Mapes ruined her career over it.
I too looked at #1... somehow I never came across the buzz on that one at the time. It definitely begs the question: How can something be so horrifying and yet so funny at the same time??
Althouse, The reason they can't let it go is because they know your're right. If Valenti was an authentic feminist, she'd have nothing to do with Bill Clinton. The sticking out of the boobs just put her hypocrisy in stark relief, so to speak.
If Valenti was an authentic feminist, she'd have nothing to do with Bill Clinton.
Wasn't he the first female president of the united states? Or was that the first lesbian president?
Ann, thank you for linking to the Amanda Marcotte editorial. I very politely engaged in the comment thread and have documented it here on my own blog.
What I've come to believe is that some of the more hardcore "feminists" (think N.O.W.) have confused "feminism" with "left-wing social views". I do believe that they simply cannot detach the two. As such, they believe that if you don't support government funding for 'X' (which can be any gov't program) then you are anti-X.
As a Pragmatic Libertarian with Fiscal Conservative views, I'm at the exact opposite end of this line of thinking.
That picture cracks me up every time I see it.
Its the wrong picture. Amanda doesn't even have the integrity to use the photo Ann was referencing.
That pretty much tell us that Amanda knows she's being dishonest about the incident.
tmink:
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion" (Source: Wikipedia)
My post was completely on-topic. Thanks for playing; try again.
I find "troll" to be the most empty word on the internet. Why don't you just say what you would in real life: I disagree with you. When a law professor makes a statement in class that a particular student disagrees with and that student voices that disagreement, you wouldn't call that person a "troll."
My point is:
(1) You shouldn't be able to refute someone's valid point by just saying that they "don't belong" in the forum. That makes no sense. If this blog were for a certain group of people, but not others, it could be made private. It's not.
(2) You shouldn't (indeed, you actually can't) effectively refute someone's point by just labeling the person a "troll." It's weak.
Mix, I don't know what tmink was responding to, but I don't know what you were trying to say other than to dispute with Ann.
Be that as it may, I'll quote you even if tmink won't.
"(1) You shouldn't be able to refute someone's valid point by just saying that they "don't belong" within feminism. That makes no sense. If this blog were for a certain sort of feminists, but not others, it could be made private. It's not."
Fixed that for you.
Incidentally... I don't find Ann's feminism incoherent at all. It rather resembles the feminism of my mother and her generation (though Ann herself is between she and I, generation-wise.)
The present brand of modern feminism seems fundamentally incoherent, unfocused in the extreme... not able to separate sexual license and social and economic equality. Hence, the acceptance of Bill Clinton's old-school chauvinism.
Pelalusa said...
Ann, thank you for linking to the Amanda Marcotte editorial. I very politely engaged in the comment thread and have documented it here on my own blog.
What I've come to believe is that some of the more hardcore "feminists" (think N.O.W.) have confused "feminism" with "left-wing social views". I do believe that they simply cannot detach the two. As such, they believe that if you don't support government funding for 'X' (which can be any gov't program) then you are anti-X.
As a Pragmatic Libertarian with Fiscal Conservative views, I'm at the exact opposite end of this line of thinking.
Can't you just call yourself a woman and enjoy the fruits and benefits of what that alone entails? Why do you characterize yourself as a feminist in the face of the blurred and often degenerate fraud that it become over time? You would be best served by shedding it. I assure you, it would be more liberating than you could imagine.
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