September 23, 2007

The NYT admits it gave a deep discount to MoveOn.org for the "General Betray Us" ad.

Amazing. Clark Hoyt, the NYT public editor, has this:
... MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

... [T]he ad [also] appears to fly in the face of an internal advertising acceptability manual that says, “We do not accept opinion advertisements that are attacks of a personal nature.” Steph Jespersen, the executive who approved the ad, said that, while it was “rough,” he regarded it as a comment on a public official’s management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for The Times to print....

Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn.org, told me that his group called The Times on the Friday before Petraeus’s appearance on Capitol Hill and asked for a rush ad in Monday’s paper. He said The Times called back and “told us there was room Monday, and it would cost $65,000.” Pariser said there was no discussion about a standby rate. “We paid this rate before, so we recognized it,” he said. Advertisers who get standby rates aren’t guaranteed what day their ad will appear, only that it will be in the paper within seven days....

Jespersen, director of advertising acceptability, reviewed the ad and approved it. He said the question mark after the headline figured in his decision.

The Times bends over backward to accommodate advocacy ads, including ads from groups with which the newspaper disagrees editorially. Jespersen has rejected an ad from the National Right to Life Committee, not, he said, because of its message but because it pictured aborted fetuses. He also rejected an ad from MoveOn.org that contained a doctored photograph of Cheney. The photo was replaced, and the ad ran....

For me, two values collided here: the right of free speech — even if it’s abusive speech — and a strong personal revulsion toward the name-calling and personal attacks that now pass for political dialogue, obscuring rather than illuminating important policy issues. For The Times, there is another value: the protection of its brand as a newspaper that sets a high standard for civility. Were I in Jespersen’s shoes, I’d have demanded changes to eliminate “Betray Us,” a particularly low blow when aimed at a soldier.
Terrible. Embarrassing, too, now that we know it. What else is there that we don't know. Could Hoyt look into that?

By the way, I'd have allowed them to use the language they wanted. I like to see how people choose to express themselves. It's helpful if it's not watered down for more comfortable consumption. I want to taste the poison so I can spit it out. And free speech is kind of an important value too, you know.

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Unknown said...

AlphaLiberal said: However, this is false. Gen Petreaus writes op-eds, one six weeks before the 2004 election inappropriately boosting Bush's position. He also does TV shows, testifies in front of Congress and can make a public address. The general has hardly been neutered.

Good points, good points. The general, in his capacity working for the White House political office, has a much bigger megaphone to reach the public than practically anyone in America, certainly including the humble commenters in this thread, and indeed including our host, Ms. Althouse.

Not to mention, the entire Republican Party and major segments of the media further amplify and augment his message.

The wingnuts are advancing a very simple and old fashioned idea: the state shall not be questioned, our leaders are above reproach, and the public's job is to stay quiet and support their betters.

Much as Bush insists that it is Congress's job to fund his war, the nutters and loons of the Republican Party insist that it is the public's job to shut up and stay out of the important decision-making.

Authoritarian followers, one and all. And they are winning. Despite the temporary setback of the '06 elections, conservative authoritarianism is ascendant and will consume what remains of our democracy and our freedom within another two or three election cycles.

We have entered the period of permanent war that was predicted by Orwell. This fictitious state is far too useful to the authoritarians to ever relinquish, so the United States will be imperiled by permanent war for the rest of all of our lives.

Unknown said...

Just to be clear, you are bragging about your intentions to deliberately inflict emotional pain on a completely innocent person to provide yourself some sick sense of satisfaction, correct?

Wrong. I'm simply not telling her my sexual orientation. Which is what the wingnuts tell me to do daily - keep it to myself. So in this one situation I will take their advice and will keep it to myself. She's pursuing me. I'm just not stopping her. After all, sexual orientation is a choice - and I'm "choosing" to be straight when talking to her. What's wrong with that? It's what God intended after all - so if she's emotionally hurt - blame Jesus.

Authoritarian followers, one and all. And they are winning

They're not winning. They are at 30% in the polls. Don't let the commenters fool you.

Americans are dumb, but they're not that dumb.

Anonymous said...

Craig -- The fact that you view Althouse as conservative merely shows how absurdly, stridently, and uncritically leftist you are.

You really should get out more.

Unknown said...

Seven Machos said: Craig -- The fact that you view Althouse as conservative merely shows how absurdly, stridently, and uncritically leftist you are.
I know Ann has voted Democratic in the past. I know she is anti-racist (yay!) and not a hatemongering bigot like most Republicans (yay!).

But she doesn't straddle the political fence. She's not in the middle. She's not moderate.

The entire emotional tone of her political posts is one that identifies with conservatives and conservatism. She feels aggrieved when they are attacked or not doing well. She jumps to their defense. She explains and defends their positions.

She never does any of these things for liberals or for Democratic positions -- with one exception that I can recall: Her opposition to institutional racism in the dustup with Jonah Goldberg, et al.

Ann has become a conservative, or has been one all along—whatever. She's not a moderate, a Democrat, an independant, or a liberal.*

She's simply proof that you don't have to be a raging hatemonger, or a bigot, or a racist, or a fundamentalist nutjob to be a conservative. She's in a very tiny group, but the group's name is not "moderate."


*I will grant the possibility that Ann suppresses her moderate and liberal views in order to ingratiate herself to her conservative readers. But the emotional tone of her political posts and the way she processes information indicates a decisively conservative mindset.

After all: Let's put it the way: the Bush years represent a massive lurch to the right in American politics. We have become a decidely more authoritarian and conservative nation under Bush. If during THIS PERIOD Ann can barely point to anything indicating genuine moderation, it is simply not believable that she is a moderate in any sense of the word.

Unknown said...

downtownlad said: They're not winning. They are at 30% in the polls. Don't let the commenters fool you.

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. The American public will be terrorized over the next 15 months with horror stories coordinated by the media and the Republican Party. The stories will convince about, oh, 50.7% of the population that voting for Democrats is dangerous, ala Althouse, 2004.

Americans will be presented with a stark choice:

(1) Victory!
(2) Defeat and surrender.

They will choose "victory," which means years more of losing in Iraq.

Anonymous said...

Verso -- The fact that you view Althouse as conservative merely shows how absurdly, stridently, and uncritically leftist you are.

Anyway, Verso: where are you going with this crap? Parts of your post suggest that you believe that Althouse is a moderate. Other parts suggest that you think she's conservative. Other parts are strange, goofy tangents about how you believe you live in a prison camp now. (I hope the thought police don't track you down for posting here.)

Finally, I love the suggestion that it's possible (but extremely rare) to be a conservative and not be a bigot, hater, etc.

Thanks, man. You know, it's also possible to be a leftist who has some semblance of a sense of humor, who doesn't grope employees, and who doesn't have too many cats. It's possible but extremely rare.

Anonymous said...

Verso -- Who are you, dude? Can you think in a straight line at all -- for even a few seconds?

If it's true that everything else but Iraq is what's really important, as you suggest, and if it's true that Americans would vote for Democrats but for Iraq, then why not support the war so that you can obtain all the other political goals that are so much more important?

Face it, Verso: Americans are moderates who lean militarily and economically to the right. You can call them stupid all you want, and I hope it makes you feel better, but I wonder how much it's going to help you in electoral politics.

Unknown said...

seven machos said: ...you can call them stupid all you want...

I never called them stupid. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. I know, it's easier to defeat your opponents when you can make up their positions. :D

Oh, and I know what you mean about Americans being moderate, not liberal. That's true, except for almost every issue, on which Americans take a decidely more liberal position than is reflected by either of the political parties. Not all, but most.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Verso -- You are correct. You didn't call Americans stupid. You implied it by saying that a bunch of threats about terror would cause them to vote Republican.

A serious question: if it's true that Americans are decidedly to the left of both -- both! -- political parties, why is it that the left cannot gain any political traction? Why is it that Goldwater lost in a romp? Why did Dean implode? Why did the Democrats only take Congress by running Heath Schuler and a bunch of decidedly conservative candidates?

Let me hazard a guess at your answer: Rove. It's really rather hilarious. Leftists have been invoking the primitive mythical idea of a trickster -- here, Rove, and before him, Lee Atwater -- to explain how Americans keep having their real values thwarted for decades.

But, anyway, Verso: why? Why do Americans agree so overwhelmingly with you but keep voting against you? Why can't you win popular support for positions that are so popular?

amba said...

So, Ann, can you bring yourself to stop reading it now? Or, more to the point, buying it?

reader_iam said...

Now, what was the last thing I posted in this thread (in a series of two comments, as I recall)?

Oh, I remember now. And it still applies, by golly! But for entirely different reasons.

Ptooey

Wait ... maybe not entirely for different reasons.

Is it good for you ... yet?

Ralph L said...

"We have become a decidely more authoritarian and conservative nation under Bush."
Certainly Bloomberg's NY and airports have become more authoritarian, but if you ever actually read Ann Coulter or other conservatives, you'd know they hate that at least as much as you do. Since the immigration bill, they don't claim Bush as a conservative, either.

MikeinSC said...

Wrong. I'm simply not telling her my sexual orientation. Which is what the wingnuts tell me to do daily - keep it to myself. So in this one situation I will take their advice and will keep it to myself.

I imagine your tendency to cry at the drop of a hat might tip her off.

The entire emotional tone of her political posts is one that identifies with conservatives and conservatism. She feels aggrieved when they are attacked or not doing well. She jumps to their defense. She explains and defends their positions.

Wow. You'd think the great political purge of far left parties in the past would've taught the modern left a lesson.

Apparently, one would be wrong. Pursue "purity" and lower the members of your group to just yourself. Knock yourself out.

That people like you are BRUTALLY authoritarian is blatantly obvious to anybody who pays attention.

The stories will convince about, oh, 50.7% of the population that voting for Democrats is dangerous

Factual reality can be a problem for you.

Ann has become a conservative

No. People like you, as has been a tendency for decades, has decided to purge her for not being quite pure enough politically for you. If one doesn't agree with all of your positions, they are, by default, "conservative" in your eyes.

Kinda makes it hard for moderates to want to join you.

Why people like you hate hardcore social conservatives is lost on me as you are simply two sides of the same coin.
-=Mike

Roger J. said...

Charming thread. Really charming.

Yoda said...

On Nov. 22, 1963, The Dallas Morning News, long editorially hostile to JFK, ran an infamous ad which said, "WELCOME MR. KENNEDY TO
DALLAS. . ." and argued that Kennedy had betrayed us to our communist enemies.

With its "General Betray Us" ad, run at a friendly discount, The New York Times has become The Dallas Morning News of character assassination.

Blue@9 said...

Sooo...

If it's okay for the left to call our military men traitors, is it now okay for us to call the left traitors for cheering on our defeat? Just curious, because I keep hearing how liberals get outraged that we're questioning their patriotism. Isn't it all fair game now?

AlphaLiberal said...

MoveOn.org has now paid the full amount of the ad. Rudy Giuliania's campaign, which got the same rate, has not.

This could a campaign finance violation, a violation of federal law.


More here.

AlphaLiberal said...

blue@9 lies....

MoveOn did not call Petreaus a traitor. That's a hysterical over-reaction from right-wingers.

Nor are we "urging America's defeat." More lies.

We're calling for American to stop pouring blood and treasure into a failed strategy.

AlphaLiberal said...

Not a word about Rush Windbag insulting the troops? Hullo? Althouse?

Your Republican partisanship is obvious.

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