Was this Trump's doing?! "Rose, whose ineligibility left a polarizing void at the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York, died in September. Not only has his family petitioned Manfred on his behalf since then, but so has President Donald Trump, with whom Manfred met at the White House last month.... [The decision comes] roughly 24 hours before the Cincinnati Reds planned to honor Rose with a celebration of his achievements at Great American Ball Park on Wednesday night. That event is one of the first sanctioned celebrations of Rose’s achievements since he was banned from the sport 36 years ago."
Manfred interpreted the phrase "permanently ineligible" in light of the purpose of the rule (Rule 21). Once the person is dead, he's no longer "a threat to the integrity of the game."
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Tardy.
Rose’s annual signing of autographs for cash outside the Hall of Fame on induction weekend did not help his case.
Does this qualify them for the Nobel Peace Prize, too? Not that there's anything wrong with that, except there is.
Pete was honored as part of MLB’s top 100 players of the 20th Century at the 1999 All-Star Game and has a statue outside of the ballpark in Cincinnati.
Rob Manfred is a disgrace as commissioner. This is a meaningless gesture
I hope Jackson gets the votes first. The Pope should be pleased. Was the Commissioner anticipating a plea from him next?
Giamatti was a joke too. He bans Rose and meanwhile Marge Schott owns the Reds. She was a disgrace to the sport and decency
All of pro and major college sports are an infomercial for gambling nowadays
Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens aren’t “banned from baseball.” And they aren’t in the Hall of Fame.
Bud Selig, the Commissioner of the Steroid Era is in the Hall of Fame.
Not one owner disgorged a penny of profit from the Steroid Era.
I thought the word on Jackson was that while he didn't participate in the cheating, he didn't report it or stop it. The rest of the team is still pariahs.
Trump talked about giving Rose a pardon, but he has no power over the HOF, so it's a non-issue. Baseball has the same problem as any other human endeavor -- there will be scoundrels involved. Everybody bags on Ty Cobb, but Rogers Hornsby was a thoroughgoing lout and no one cares all these years later. If the Veterans Committee wants to put Rose in, it won't change things much. Rose was a very good player for a very long time and if he hadn't been such a horse's ass, he would have been in years ago, but he couldn't change who he was.
GRW3 said...
I thought the word on Jackson was that while he didn't participate in the cheating, he didn't report it or stop it.
Yep, that's why Landis gave him the life time ban, even through he'd only talked with the others about it.
I think Rose hoped it would happen before his death. I think his ban was excessive, but I understand why MLB did it. The question is whether the sports writers that vote all the Hall of Famers will forgive him. I've found the sports writers to be A-holes recently.
The great third baseman Bucky Weaver was the player who simply knew, but didn’t report. The argument for Shoeless Joe was that he agreed to participate, but was too stupid to know (he was illiterate) what he had agreed to do. Jackson hit .350 in the Series.
It's kind of hard to keep Rose out for gambling (yes--I know he broke the rules; even today betting on your own sport is verboten) when online sports betting is apparently the current primary source of advertising revenue for the games.
Hopes he's wrong?
Perhaps he was hoping that the decision would be reversed before he died.
I don't care one way or the other whether he gets in but do find it interesting that he (and other people, it would appear) seem to find it surprising that he's been held accountable for a rule he clearly violated.
The Hall of fame is for accomp!ishments. Many sins have been forgiven. Give it a rest. Also his statement. It's an old man's rambling.
Here's a photo of Joe Jackson and his wife, Katie. Look at the cuffed pants. For some reason, Shoeless Joe (he should have been nicknamed "Guileless Joe" given the amount of abused heap on him by crooks like Chick Gandil and Alfred Austrian) is wearing a suit at least three sizes too large for him.
Excellent ruling. After they're dead - let them in. But don't reward and honor them while alive. Hopefully, Barry Bonds will be kept out for a long time.
Quaestor said...
“Here's a photo of Joe Jackson and his wife, Katie. Look at the cuffed pants. For some reason, Shoeless Joe…is wearing a suit at least three sizes too large for him.”
After the photo was taken, I assume he started singing “Burning Down the House”.
The guy with the most hits and the guy with the most homers aren’t in the Baseball Hall of Fame. If they get in it will be because the Hall of Fame wants to make more money.
No one needs a sports writer or Jerry Reinsdorf to tell them or the best players in the game are.
I hope Moonlight Graham makes the Hall.
Rose deserved to be banned. The rule was no gambling. There is no "Hey, i was just betting on my own team". It was no gambling. No associating with gamblers. No friendship with bookies and the thugs who used to run them. And of course, we only have Rose's word that he just "Bet on my team to win".
Rose thought the rules didn't apply to him. Cause he was Pete Rose. He found out he was wrong. Bonds is another one. An obvious sterioid user and liar. Keep him out.
I find great humor in this news, sandwiched in between Draftking and Fanduel commercials.
"Was this Trump's doing?!" - I hope you are right.
Popular Spanish saying back in the home country...
No hay mal que dure cien años
Ni cuerpo que lo resista
Ni aguacero que no acampe
Ni mal que por bien no venga.
Celebrate the achievements. He paid his debts.
Trump is like Rose... isn't he?
As the great Ron Bennington said "If you let Kiss into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, then you have to let in The Archies. That sums up how I feel about this.
Rose's statement can be interpreted as him hoping to live to see his induction.
Well, if this was Trump's doing, then someone will get an injunction stopping it. I predict none of the newly reinstated make it into the Hall.
I think his ban was excessive, but I understand why MLB did it.
Not to split hairs, but MLB didn't do 'it.' Rose agreed to a lifetime ban in exchange for ending the investigation.
I've always thought he was an asshole - both as a player and as a person - and nothing he did after the ban changed my opinion of him. He broke the unbreakable rule, agreed to the lifetime ban and that was that.
Now that he's dead? His lifetime is over and so is the ban. No amount of spin can change what he did, and let that be a lesson to other players.
And to those equating Rose's betting and the current influx of betting sites? There's no sign as I enter my house explicitly stating that betting on baseball is prohibited.
But, you will find that sign in every MLB clubhouse. As has been for more than 100 years.
For more than a hundred years these words have been inscribed on the door of every professional baseball clubhouse in America:
“Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible.”
I’m in favor of the permanent things remaining permanent.
What does it mean that Rose was banned from baseball? He had retired as a player. So it just meant that he couldn’t manage, coach, scout etc for any MLB team ever again.
Pete Rose was on the field for the ceremony before Game 2 of the 1999 World Series being honored as one of the greatest 30 MLB players of the 20th Century.
The Reds have a statute of him at their stadium.
This is just a PR stunt by the idiot Manfred to gin up interest in baseball.
A lifetime ban expires at the end of someone’s life. That’s the very definition.
“Hopefully, Barry Bonds will be kept out for a long time”
Why? We’re talking about PROFESSIONAL athletes. The benefits of steroids is quicker physical recovery time. They’re adults who should have agency over their own bodies. These guys make incredible money and enjoy a dream lifestyle. Steroids allow them to hopefully extend those careers, while they may cause problems down the road, they’re adults. Barry Bonds is one of the absolute greatest players in baseball history. That didn’t happen because of steroids.
The HoF is for the fans. Rose was one of the best players in the game. Keeping him out disgraced the Hall more than it did Rose.
Donald said…
“Barry Bonds is one of the absolute greatest players in baseball history. That didn’t happen because of steroids.”
Steroids abuse is against the rules of baseball, just like gambling is. Once Bonds started taking steroids, he had an unfair competitive advantage against the other players who didn’t take steroids.
Bonds would have had a HoF career without the steroids. Note the counter factual subjunctive mood. But he decided to cheat to try to go from one of the many greats to one of the all time greats.
Jeez Rocco, professional baseball didn’t give a shit about any steroids while promoting .225 averages and 40 homers.
"I thought the word on Jackson was that while he didn't participate in the cheating, he didn't report it or stop it. The rest of the team is still pariahs."
The World Series as a whole wasn't thrown - specific games were. Jackson hit .500 in the games they were trying to win, .250 in the games they tried to lose.
"The question is whether the sports writers that vote all the Hall of Famers will forgive him. I've found the sports writers to be A-holes recently."
Rose should be in the group of players who are voted on by the various "Era" committees. Those are 16-voter committees, consisting of sportswriters, baseball executives, ex-players, and a historian or two. Rose should next be considered in 2027, for 2028 induction.
So baseball's ultimate insult to Rose is to absolve him after his death. Pete may be the best ballplayer of all time. I don't care about the HOF
Piazza & Pudge Rodriguez juiced and are in the Hall of Fame.
The baseball writers of America are the media. They elect most of the players. Then you get the good old boys club members who are on the veterans committee. They elect guys like Harold Baines.
The fans decide who the best players are. Their collective judgment surpasses the baseball media and baseball old boys club.
OK, but what about the really important things? Like, did he cheat on his wife, or marry a younger woman?
My position on Rose, for many years is let him in. His records are FAR beyond nearly every other honoree. But, if the HOF wanted they could have a plaque that stated something like Pete Rose has been included in the HOF because (insert summary of records), However his induction, which would normally have been a first ballot guaranteed was delayed for X years because (insert history of betting).
Hall of Famers are players that set records, Pete Rose did just that! He belongs as do Barry Bonds, Mark Maguire and Roger Clemmons.
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