What will Zelensky wear for his audience with the King? He's met with the King twice before — February 8, 2023 and July 18, 2024 — and both times he wore those dark green "wartime" clothes and not a suit. Zelensky has met with other European royalty —Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia (Sweden), King Harald V, Queen Sonja, Crown Prince Haakon, and Crown Princess Mette-Marit (Norway), King Philippe (Belgium) — and each time, he wore the "wartime" outfit that he was called out for wearing in the Oval Office.
Of course, royalty is a game played through outfits. But Trump has his outfits too. Indeed, questioned about his military getup, Zelensky said that after the war, he could wear a "costume," and by "costume," he meant a suit: "I will wear a costume after this war will finish. Maybe something like yours, maybe something better."
But enough about clothing, what do we think about Europe stepping up to make the peace deal? Who will give Trump credit for making that happen and for, more generally, requiring Europe to take charge of the defense of Europe? Whether the Europeans can close a peace deal is another matter, but they concede in advance that any peace agreement "is going to need a U.S. backstop." Could they, instead, just flow endless money into Ukraine? They've counted on our money for so long.
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Huge victory for Trump if this gets Europe to increase defense spending to an appropriate amount. Not holding my breath, though
Who will give Trump what? Surely not a prize of anything?
This seems sketchy to me. What exactly is the “US backstop”?
Two-tier Keir and Macron are barely holding onto voter support in their own countries. Do their populations really feel threatened by Putin? I don't know.
However, as I mentioned in the overnight cafe, Ukraine is a last-century problem. Russia and China are moving on. The Arctic is the new frontier, and the Western powers are abysmally behind.
Looks like the craziness at the Oval Office got talks moving in the right direction.
How will they work on a ceasefire plan if Z says he does not want one?
US backstop my ass.
Big mistake for the Euros to back VZ on this.
I still say the Dems put VZ up to his demand for security guarantees.
It looks like Trump will get most of what he wants regarding a ceasefire if things continue in this direction. Well, except Trump getting any credit for moving things forward. The focus of the media will be on how resentful he is over not getting credit, which in itself is an admission that the credit really should go to Trump. And so it goes.
"Any peace agreement 'is going to need a U.S. backstop,' Mr. Starmer added"
well, that's Just Weird.. I was TOLD; by The EXPERTS AT NPR, that the Europeans were The Powers That BE; and what THEY WANT, is what happens..
NOW, some european is saying that That can't do ANYTHING, without a U. S. "backstop"
So, who's running things, anyway?
</sarc
Russia may be the worst nation in the world (it isn’t) but still that does not obligate the United States to perpetual servitude to Ukraine. Trump has (possibly without even knowing, but maybe intuitively) backed Europe into the corner of self reliance. After 80 years of being the global maintainer of order, (for which we receive not praise, but rather contempt) we need to set them free. The world has been living rent free in our basement for too many years. We have a codependency that does not work in our favor.
Europe, which is dying all over the place, should get off its fat, lazy ass . . .
I expect this will backfire spectacularly when Zelensky starts demanding an EU military presence in Ukraine. Otherwise it serves it's purpose of salving Macron and Starmer's egos.
Not being a European, I can only guess. But what fraction of countries like Germany or the UK is patriotic enough that they would risk their lives to serve militarily for their current governments? Governments that don’t seem to care much about the safety, history or prosperity of their actual citizens.
The UK parliament just removed the painting of Nelson dying at the battle of Trafalgar for goodness sake, this is the contempt they have for patriotic sacrifice.
super serious question:
If the Ukrainians have to be forced, At GUNPOINT, to join their military..
AND the Ukrainian "government" had to suspend ALL elections in order to stay in power..
IF the Ukrainians don't want this war.. WHY SHOULD WE?
“US backup” = unlimited monetary support for Ukraine, while the countries demanding it fritter away their own resources on the socialist niceties that make them so much better places to live than the United States.
Does this mean that Starmer, Macron & Zelenskyy will actually talk to Putin?
Thank you, Eva Marie. These inbreds, here in America and throughout Europe, would perpetuate war and suffering just to be able to clatter their jewelry in the general direction of Trump. They are not serious people and have not been since many centuries before the fin de siècle.
Russia and America should not be enemies. Doesn't mean we have to be friends, just that our two nations have so many common interests that our support of Zelenskyy has hurt our strategic position. Our real challenger (not enemy) is China. To manage the transition to a peaceful multi polar world is going to take a vision and deft touch. We sure could use Russia on our side.
As for the European, they are capable of handling their own defense. This should be their final wakeup call to get serious about a pan-European military. They have the money and the technology. They even have assets in place, such as British special forces and sophisticated logistics. The French Air Force is very skilled and can easily be ramped up to scale.
And don't forget the UK and France have nukes.
"Who will give Trump what? Surely not a prize of anything?"
Sorry, I'd left the word "credit" out. It's there now.
Re "prize": Yes, what would it take for Trump to win the Nobel Prize? How many times over would he need to earn it before he would get it? 10?
Proof, if any were needed, that Europe is unprepared and unwilling to defend itself. Putin will expand his reach.
"This seems sketchy to me. What exactly is the “US backstop”?"
The EU is angling to get US to put boots on the ground, that's what it means, IMO - because they are unable to, themselves, they don't have the money or the people. It's the same set of motivations that have been moving inevitably for the past 12 years for NATO to be fighting Russia. And in the NATO/EU hive, that means the US. Zelensky said the same thing during his berrinche. Trump will refuse this - he wants the security to be provided by US interests, not the US military.
I still think that Zelensky got chumped by someone desperate to make Trump look bad. I've read that this is the same view inside the Beltway, that a phone call was made during Zelensky's flight to DC.
I was right! Below is from today’s NY Post. Continued death and destruction clearly on the heads of Murphy et al.
“Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.
Europe is going to have to back off its infatuation with green energy if they are going to do this with a modicum of seriousness.
On May 20, 2019 Zelinsky took office. In June Pres. Trump stopped a shipment of $400,000 million lethal weapons as he demanded info on biden corruption. It was not till Sept that congress pushed him to release the weapons. I may be off but do you think Pres. Zelinsky may have had some history in regards to how Pres. Trump acts? Everyone says why bit sign the papers, but all it did was give USA 50% of the PROFITS in a huge area - bigger than Delaware. But the guys in Oval office did not offer a promise about new help if Putin does not seek peace and give up land.
Levi is correct and made a perfect metaphor. I'd add not only in our basements: they live rent-free in our heads too. And now our children are taught that everything, everywhere is our fault, always. Their ignorance of 20th Century history is appalling. and that twat needs to put on a suit or hit the front lines himself. He's cosplaying.
I hope JD Vance goes hard after Chris Murphy. It would be a beat down of epic proportions.
Putin wants to revive the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ukraine is the first step. If the West won't defend Ukraine, then he knows he can take over the rest of the former Republics with little or no fighting. Putin may be a Gog-like person who rules over the land of Magog.
Levi Stark: "After 80 years of being the global maintainer of order, (for which we receive not praise, but rather contempt)..."
Yes, it really has been the Pax Americana, almost a century of global peace and growing prosperity, protected and enforced by America, and funded by American taxpayers for the benefit of everyone. And it will be recorded and openly recognized as that in future centuries. But not now.
The continued contempt for America by its protected allies, I believe, is mainly fueled by envy. They are jealous of America's enormous wealth and military might, and that jealousy is amplified by their awareness of their own impotence and subordinate role in major global decisions, along with their belief in their own superior thinking. Pretty much a "Cinderella's ugly sisters' syndrome."
"“Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering....."
It wasn't just Democrats - Lindsey Graham was sitting in that meeting, too. You know, the guy that came out later saying Zelensky shouldn't have been rude to Trump.
"But senators on both sides of the aisle tried to provide Zelenskyy with "friendly coaching," according to two people who were in the room during the bipartisan meeting with the Ukrainian leader...."
Brad: it's time we showed them this is a two-way street. Not so much Zelinsky, but Europe. When we had it, we always gave generously of blood and money. They need to step up now, and while they're at it, recognize the flaws of their immigration policies. We too.
Dave Begley said...
I hope JD Vance goes hard after Chris Murphy. It would be a beat down of epic proportions.
Please! I like our VP and don't want to see him embarrassed with accusations of mistreating a dumb animal!
Ukraine should ask Poland how well UK/French security guarantees work out.
This whole thing started over the issue of Ukraine's trying to become part of Western Europe and Russia's desire to have it remain, at worst, a somewhat friendly buffer state. Therefore, even if Trump were inclined to give a U.S. "security guaranty," that would only make it harder to sell Putin on the deal. What's the difference between a "security guaranty" and NATO membership? Either way, the U.S. would be pledging to defend Ukraine against future Russian incursions. Trump has made it clear that we're not giving Ukraine a security guaranty, but he's willing to steer U.S. investment into the country for whatever good that might do in keeping Putin in check. It seems like not a bad deal for Ukraine, because there's also good reason to think that Russia won't be tempted to re-invade as long as either Trump or Vance remain in the WH (likely 12 years). It's also not a bad deal because it's hard to see how Ukraine hangs on militarily even for another year or two.
Liberals are terrified that Trump might bring peace to the Ukraine, and peace to the Middle East.
Could they give Trump the Nobel peace prize?
No! Never!
They gave Obama the prize for doing nothing at all. So imagine the terror if Mr. Hitler actually stops a war in the Ukraine, or Gaza.
Unthinkable!
In the meantime, leftists intentionally sabotaged Trump's peace talks ("fake peace!"), and now they're desperate to take the credit for peace.
What are these "security guarantees" that leftists want to give Zelenskyy? A commitment to go to war with Russia if Putin invades Ukraine again? Spell it out if that's your plan.
I prefer the Trump model of Americans in Ukraine, French troops in Ukraine, without any commitments. "Fake peace" is way better than real war.
@Dave Begley ... I don't think Z needed much encouragement. Yesterday (or maybe Friday), the NY Post had an article that outlined the waffling the Ukrainians did on the mineral deal (seconded by the interview that Rubio gave where he said essentially the same thing). Gen Kellogg was actually ready to head back to the US with no deal before the Ukrainians did a Reykjavik u-turn. They also demanded a WH ceremony for the signing rather than signing first and just announcing the deal in the Oval Office. I suspect that Z was planning the 'public diplomacy' all along.
@brad, yeah I'm sure Zelensky assumed that history was going to replay itself. He should have read the room better.
Wait a minute! That’s the plan that all the mini-Vicky Nulands here said was “pro-Putin” yesterday, while they were mocking Trump over a “3 strikes” scenario that wasn’t Trump’s AND sneering that the UK and EU were gonna step up and write those giant checks.
It’ll be entertaining reading the new spin from the same old suspects.
Please include an explanation of how Zelensky improved his position by walking away from the offer just like this that ALSO included the previously announced Minerals Deal, which would have tied us to Ukraine economically and strategically for decades to come.
Chris Murphy: this liver-lipped son of a bitch and his co-conspirators deserve a firing squad.
The Art of The Deal.
The "U.S. Backstop" is the consideration for mineral rights deal that Trump had worked out before Zelinskyy made the foolish decision to rely on the Democrat/CIA cabal's advice. Starmer needs to say this to placate his own constituency when the deal gets done.
Meh.
I’ve hated the Dems - yes, hated - since the high tech lynching of my classmate’s husband, but this latest action by the Dems is beyond reprehensible. Don’t Murphy, Schumer et al. understand that thousands of people will *needlessly* die if there isn’t peace? Are they completely craven? What is wrong with them? Deeply immoral.
On the immorality front, I’ll never forgive Biden and the Dems for open borders. The fentanyl deaths alone are unforgivable. Add in the child rapes and sex slavery and one can see that the Dems are morally bankrupt.
Don’t the resident Trump-haters ever get tired of saying the exact same bullshit that Liz Cheney and Rachel Maddow do, the same words, the same pose of wiser-than-thee that belies a track record of foreign policy boners that rival a record that Biden needed 50 years to achieve?
Zelensky can’t end the war and it is unlikely effete Europeans can either. The former is as corrupt as Putin. The latter are his customers. Democrats will never acknowledge the damage their morally bankrupt, inept foreign policy did in Ukraine and the Middle East.
If Trump stopped supplying Zelensky with bullets, didn't he really implement the ceasefire?
Big NO from me on a US back stop. Let Europe handle it. I keep reading how weak Russian is and how much trouble they are in. Russian has only made most gains in Ukraine with massive losses. However, it was US support that did that. Turn off that support and let Europe handle it. I keep seeing Russia invaded un provoked. I call bull shit. I seen a lot of provocation. NATO expansion! When there was zero need to expand.
I think Trump has a unique grasp of what makes Putin tick, probably from negotiating with gangsters in New York. He grasped the need for a subtle fig leaf to give Putin cover to make a deal. And that fig leaf was that he would be making a deal with the US, not with Zelinsky. The US, under Trump, is signalling that it is not interested in ceremonial but toothless resolutions about punishing Putin as aggressor. The Europeans will insist that Putin acknowledge that role in some way. I don’t think Putin comes to the table with macron and Starmer in charge, and Donald in the second row. He’ll equate that to NATO.
I still say the Dems put VZ up to his demand for security guarantees.
The Democrat party's financial viability, and the prosperity of their biggest bigfoot donors, depends on oceans of military spending and rivers of blood.
Disgusting, evil war-pigs.
"Europe, which is dying all over the place, should get off its fat, lazy ass . . ."
Well played.
Aren't we forgetting someone? I just spittballin' here, but I think Putin might have something to say about the European plan.
And I don't have much confidence in the Euros. Remember, they were perfectly happy for Ukraine to keep on bleeding its guts out for years in a senseless border dispute. Now, they've flipped on a dime because of Trump. Can we really count on them to come out with a plan that Russia will accept? Hmm....
Finally, the Russian demands from day 1 of this war were (1) Ironclad guarantees of Ukraine never joining Nato and (2) Ukraine recognizing Russian occupied territory is now part of Russia.
Given that, why would Russia accept NATO troops on the ground in Ukaine as "Security Guarrantees". BTW, if want to understand the Russian position, just imagine usA and Canada. Would we allow "Peace keepers" on Canadian soil to "protect" Canada from the USA?
Who will give Trump what? Surely not a prize of anything?
Trump could stop all wars, destroy every nuclear weapon, feed every child, and cure cancer, and the smug leftist Swedes would still take great pleasure in denying him the Peace Prize.
Not that it's worth a pot of piss these days anyway.
"I don’t think Putin comes to the table with macron and Starmer in charge, and Donald in the second row."
The way I see the relative bargaining power of the parties involved it looks something like this, US>Russia>Europe>Ukraine. The reason the UK keeps talking about the importance of the US being a backstop is because Europe doesn't have the military capability to decisively beat Russia without incurring very heavy losses. America doesn't have to come out with the lion's share or even substantially ahead of other parties in a deal, but it should absolutely not be substantially worse off. The desire of some folks to feel like they are practicing Noblesse Oblige is not a sufficient justification to screw over the US in a deal.
EU cowards. They do not need US approval. You have a plan for peace - do it.
The corrupt sewer democrat party do not give two shits about the Ukrainian people.
Winston Churchill wore his famous onesie, or jumper, or "siren suit" a lot. He wore it to the White House and even had a special pinstriped version made for himself (which looks a little too much like prison or concentration camp wear). It was a reminder that his country was at war.
The siren suit is a one-piece garment for the whole body which can easily be put on or taken off, originally designed for use on the way to, and in, air-raid shelters. The suit solved the problems of warmth and modesty encountered when seeking shelter during nighttime air raids in the United Kingdom during World War II. It was roomy and could be put on over night clothes quickly when an imminent air raid was announced by the sirens.
Churchill even offered one to FDR, claiming that the suit could be put on and zipped up in less than a minute leaving more time for necessary war work (either he momentarily forgot about Roosevelt's condition or he was too tactful to mention it).
I'll believe the EU can accomplish anything through united action without the US when I see it. The real goal here is to get the US involved with troops on the ground versus Russia.
This is all BS theater.
The corrupt Democrats in US and the international authoritarian pro-Islamic child rape /anti-free speech left want all the credit...
with a '"US BACKSTOP"
What does that mean? oh right - what I just said - credit - without actually having to do anything.
"British PM Keir Starmer put on a huge dog and pony show with Zelensky yesterday, but when it came time to write a check, he gave 1/100th of what we've paid."
The "backstop" is a trap. Get US personnel on the ground - fake an Russian attack on the personnel - start WWIII. It's their never ending desire to crush Russia for allowing the Soviet Union to collapse. Everything going on in Europe internally is to bring Soviet style communism to the EU. The EU wants to be the next Soviet Union - the USSEU. Just wait until the new "EU Army" tanks roll into Hungary to get them in line.
Dave B asked:
"Don’t Murphy, Schumer et al. understand that thousands of people will *needlessly* die if there isn’t peace? Are they completely craven? What is wrong with them? Deeply immoral."
You're talking about a party, whose ONLY purpose is to promote Abortion..
How Many MILLIONS of children have been murdered in the US since 1973? 60 Million? SIXTY MILLION????
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/07/03/fact-check-60-million-abortions/
EU lined up to "support" - but will they? can they?
"US Backstop" tells us - they are useless.
Democrat's "morality"
In 2021, there was roughly one abortion for every five newborn children in the US.
The ratio of abortions to live births was highest among Black women, with nearly one abortion for every two births.
the Democrat party is the party of Moloch
Embrace Child Sacrifice! Embrace the Democrats!
"What will Zelensky wear for his audience with the King?"
Big shot, tell you what
Tell me what goes on round here
Go on and get me in the corner
Smoke my cigarettes and drink my beer
Tell me that this world is no place for the weak
Then you can look me in the eye
And tell me if you see a trace of fear
You gotta look sharp
You gotta look sharp
And you gotta have no illusions
Just keep going your way looking over your shoulder
Look Sharp - Joe Jackson
Sen Chris Murphy(D-authoritarian a-hole) can ES&D.
Get over yourselves. This is a very tough pill for Ukraine to swallow. They were invaded by a totalitarian murderer and warmonger who orchestrated terrorist Acts blamed it on the chechens in order to achieve dominance of Russia. The ukrainians fought back valiantly and continued to battle the Russians with the help from the West.
Zielinsky is going to have to eventually come around too except a deal that Trump is negotiating with Putin and the Europeans. Have some sympathy empathy and patience. I'm very confident that Trump is going to pull this off and all you people can do is whine and complain like 3-year-old children who drop their sippy cup of grape Kool-Aid on mommy's white carpet.
Dave Begley said:
"On the immorality front, I’ll never forgive Biden and the Dems for open borders. The fentanyl deaths alone are unforgivable. Add in the child rapes and sex slavery and one can see that the Dems are morally bankrupt. "
Indeed.
The democrat party is a sewer.
My hope is that Trump has plan to get USA out of NATO by showing euro allies are worse than russky enemies
You are an idiot Narayanan. Trump has made it very plain over and over again that his goal is to make NATO even stronger by forcing the Europeans to up their military game and increase their Force readiness. You probably watch the Rambo series too many times and now are completely convinced that we can do it all on our own without any help of allies or friends.
You should listen to what Trump actually says. I've watched most of his press conferences and interviews since he started giving them this year. After he gets the Ukrainian ceasefire and an interim piece deal his next plan on the agenda is to trilaterally reduce nuclear weapons along with Russia and China.
None of that happens without a peace deal in Ukraine and the peace deal cannot happen unless Europe provides the peacekeepers boots on the ground in Ukraine as Trump has clearly stated.
Maybe you should pay more attention to your lord and savior rather than the scared little boy voices inside your head.
Say ... Why not quo in Peace prize for security blanket
Howard – We are all tired of the left’s shit show.
this is serious stuff. Zelinksy just f*** the chicken on live-TV in front of everyone.. then shuffled off to the useless EU for "support". The war would never have happened under Trump. It did happen under the installed mob-puppet - Crook Joe. Who just happened to stuff his family coffers with US tax dollars washed clean thru Ukraine. Ooo and puppet Crook Joe pardoned six family members - all going back to 2014 – when it all occurred.
Trump was impeached for merely asking about it.
Trump is tasked with cleaning up the corrupt left's smelly litter box - and it's never good enough.
EU + Chris Murphy Corruptocratic Soviets - It's your war now.
"Will they give Trump the Nobel Peace Prize?"
Who cares? That is such a debased "honor," after being awarded to Yasser Arafat. Worthless.
And of course, the answer is NO.
It's certainly not inconceivable that the Europeans and the corrupt defenders of the status quo in the US convinced Zelensky to stick with them and deprive Trump of a successful cease fire initiative.
Where does Zelensky want to go when the war ends? It's unlikely he'll remain President and he won't be safe Ukraine.
So London maybe? He speaks English and they make some really nice men's costumes there I hear.
How many times over would he need to earn it before he would get it? 10?
They won't want to give it to Trump no matter what he does to deserve it. It's just as well, considering some of the people they've given it to. It's basically meaningless now.
It would be nice if Musk or another billionaire created a new award program (and include math!) that looked at achievement rather than what is popular with the "elites".
If Steimer says they’ll negotiate an agreement premised upon a US backstop, and then present it to the US, then they are only negotiating on behalf of Russia and NOT the other side of the equation. They are simply representing what they think the US will accept.
They are also not stepping up to be their own backstop. Which is telling.
I'm happy to see Europe dancing to Trump's tune, even though they won't admit to it. Three months ago no one was talking about peace, now it is all the rage. That isn't an accident.
Today in Vermont;
"Pro-Ukrainian protestors gathered near Vance’s vacation rental, waving Ukraine flags and transgender pride flags."
I guess those trannies just like them some Zelenskyy.
Eva Maria nails it !!!
Europe, which is dying all over the place, should get off its fat, lazy ass . . .
Much of Europe is so busy being colonized, it doesn't realize it's nearing the tipping point of extinction. God forbid they appear, in any way, offensive to their invaders.
If the choice is Putin or Sharia, who you gonna pick?
We may be at a reckoning point for the Next World Order.
Footnote: The moment Zelensky shows up in shorts, he's lost Our Hostess :-)
Tulsi don't need no stinkin' NYT to let you know what she thinks about Zelinsky, she posted her own video.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1896145498853290277
Sounds like she's got some valid concerns.
Peachy, yes the leftist woke s*** show is awful however it could not possibly compare to a full-on military assault on your Homeland. The fact that we have it so easy here in the United States compared to the rest of the world makes many people very very spoiled about their expectations. Personally I'm giving Zelenski some time to come around just like I'm giving Trump plenty of time to navigate his presidency before I start doubting his word.
I think what people on both sides of the political divide are struggling with is the fact that Trump operates his sausage factory completely out in the open.
Jack Nicholson said it best in A few Good Men: you can't handle the truth
According to CTH re US Backstop, the Europeans want the US to protect their peacekeepers.
"Starmer is meeting with EU leaders today, presumably to initiate a discussion of an EU security force that would form the peacekeeping group to secure a ceasefire. However, Starmer consistently says the U.S. backstop is needed to protect the EU forces in the event the ceasefire doesn’t hold."
Haven't ALL the wars started over there?
Maybe they should have first dibs ending one?
Forget about peace. Too much grift for the American Left and the Europeans to turn off the spigot now.
Robert Marshal beat me to it.
The beat now with my lefty friends is that if we don't support Ukraine 100% then Poland and the Baltic states are next.
Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland aren't the same as they were in 1941. They are prepared. Russia isn't the same either. They have neither the manufacturing or the logistical might to carry on a protracted war in the west.
If you watch the Zelensky White House video, you notice all of Zelensky’s facial expressions, touching his face with his hands, moving about instead of sitting still. I asked Grok about drug use. There have been rumors about drug use in the past.
Grok’s response:
There’s been significant online buzz, particularly on platforms like X, about a compilation video from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s February 28, 2025, Oval Office meeting with President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance. Posts on X and various web sources highlight Zelensky’s behavior—frequent face-touching, fidgeting, nose-wiggling, and expressive facial movements—leading some to speculate about possible drug use, specifically cocaine. Comments on X describe him as “fidgety,” “twitchy,” with “eyes bugged out,” and suggest he appeared “geeked out” or “coked up” during the 49-minute meeting. These observations have fueled rumors, with some users pointing to specific moments, like sniffing or shifting, as suggestive of substance influence.
The drift from the trumpies is that zelensky torpedoed a deal at the last minute by attempting to renegotiate in public.
My interpretation is that vance was primed jump on something (turned out to be the notion that putin can't be trusted) with the intention of torpedoing "the deal" and baiting zelensky. The bait was taken and now they can run around saying zelensky's a jerk and make whatever deal they want with putin, and unleash mass murder in kiev. Talk about moving closer to WW3.
Thank you dear leader.
As rusty says, ukraine is toast.
Thank you for the Russian Domino theory, Lonejustice. Why, the domino theory kept us in Vietnam for years and over 50,000 dead Americans. Is that what you really want, LJ? As someone who was in uniform in 1969-73 (lucky not to be sent to SE Asia although the price was a year at a radar site on the cost of the Bering Sea living with three other guys in a tiny 2BR weather shack). I can tell you I want nothing to with that kind of crap or the non-starter of the US backstopping any proposed "peace" agreement. It does not appear that they believe what Trump says to their faces. I am all in for DJT and his adamant refusal to allow the US to be dragged into foreign wars for "reasons" offered by so-called allies. If Trump caves and makes even monetary commitments that return nothing to the US, he's lost me.
Throw another Biden on the Barbie, it's over. Maybe, baby. #LOL
East, West, and South Ukraine will be fine. Kiev will be cooing bitter regrets, perhaps in gay delight as it transitions. #LOL #TooMuch?
I amused myself yesterday by looking into the Budapest Memorandum. UK, US, and Russia agreed to not use force to alter Ukraine's borders. And some nonsense about no first use of nukes.
Backstopped by a guarantee that the parties would ... consult ... if there was a violation.
Later, France and China piled in with similar ... Guarantees.
You gotta have some sympathy for a Ukrainian who, today, doubts the usefulness of such agreements.
Zelenskyy flies off to the United Kingdom. Is met and given a big hug by Keir Starmer. Starmer says UK "stands with Ukraine" gives Mr. Z a big pat on the po po. Says the UK will support Ukraine--then gives Ukraine a check equal to one flipping percent of the amount the USA has provided. You can't fight a war on one percent of the ammo you need. Yeah the Free World will get a new leader in Europe. And my 81 year old carcass will set a new world record in the 100 meter dash. Dave Begley is right--Murphy and the Dims set Zelenskyy up to fail.
If Trump did it deliberately, shouldn't he get credit for the 350 million DOGE savings credit?
Behind closed doors Britain and France will tell zelensky that he f d up the deal .Then, when he accepts Trump's deal, with minor modifications, they will take the credit
I don't know, but seeing as how most of Europe is currently busy surrendering its civilization to a bunch of seventh century religious fanatics, I'd think depending on them for anything would be the textbook definition of "wishful thinking".
jim said...
"My interpretation is that vance...want[s to] unleash mass murder in kiev."
Howard, I'm sure Narayanan has changed his mind after having you shit all over his head. Such a persuasive approach!!
Maybe you aren't "that" Howard----but you sure sound a lot like "that" Howard.
But enough about clothing, what do we think about Europe stepping up to make the peace deal?
Can Europe actually make a peace deal? What leverage do they have against Russia that Trump doesn’t have at least twenty times better?
Who will give Trump credit for making that happen and for, more generally, requiring Europe to take charge of the defense of Europe?
No one
Whether the Europeans can close a peace deal is another matter, but they concede in advance that any peace agreement "is going to need a U.S. backstop."
And they propose to negotiate that backstop without Trump in the loop? Neither the EU nor Ukraine are going to get a better deal than what Zelenskyy walked away from with his tantrum in the Oval Office, for the simple reason that it’s not in Trump’s — or America’s — interest to to let the leader of a client state harangue the President that way to his face.
If Ukraine is finally crushed by the Russkis, you can count on the Dems blaming Trump for it, and even accusing him of aiding and abetting Putin. That's a sure as night follows day.
My previous comment was a flippant response to those who cannot give Trump credit under any circumstances. I was ready to stop funding Ukraine 250 billion ago and never want to see US boots on the ground there. All those rushing to proclaim their support now could have done so at anytime so I don't expect them to follow through. A million or more are dead and much of the country is rubble. If some other country can bring about peace, I support them.
Chris Murphy (based on his never ending fundraising requests) isn't the one who will GWT it done.
jim: "The bait was taken and now they can run around saying zelensky's a jerk and make whatever deal they want with putin, and unleash mass murder in kiev. Talk about moving closer to WW3.
Thank you dear leader."
You have to be this stupid to be on the left...coming just hours after pics and videos of the meeting Zelensky held with New Soviet Democraticals and selected GOPe schmucks in DC right across the street from the White House and just prior to Zelensky's coked up performance in the Oval where the dems convinced Zelensky to refuse the agreed upon deal (3rd time he's done it!) and relitigate the deal in front of the cameras, followed by Dem Senator Murphy bragging about it.
effinayright: "If Ukraine is finally crushed by the Russkis, you can count on the Dems blaming Trump for it, and even accusing him of aiding and abetting Putin. That's a sure as night follows day."
They've never stopped saying it.
But enough about clothing, what do we think about Europe stepping up to make the peace deal?
Europeans ‘threatening’ to build up their militaries, boost aid to Ukraine and pay for their own defense is one of the funniest things to come out of the Trump/Zelensky meeting.
This is what Trump has been asking for the last ten years.
The Europeans are admitting that they could have been doing more for Ukraine all along but chose not to and that they have capacity to properly fund their own defense but chose not to.
Of course they’re still not actually going to do it.
Zelensky and Europe know that if the U.S. is not on board with shoveling hundreds of billions into this way anymore, that Russia will be the ones to dictate terms. They're trying to end the war with as little consessions as possible and then claim that Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this. (Even though any deal that they made would have to have Trump on board.)
FYI, I don't post here to change hearts and minds. I'm just humoring my 13-year-old self who's still alive deep down in my lizard brain.
The problem for Trump is that he craves a Nobel Peace Prize like Obama earned just by looking great in a suit, but can't figure out how to obtain it. One suggestion. Leave his VP out of important meetings. Also, have one dress code for multi-billionaires and the rest.
"Everyone says why bit sign the papers, but all it did was give USA 50% of the PROFITS in a huge area - bigger than Delaware. But the guys in Oval office did not offer a promise about new help if Putin does not seek peace and give up land."
This was a Ukrainian idea. This is a confidence building measure that aligns America with Ukraine, much like Panama and Saudi Arabia enjoy American defense because they have something really strategically valuable.
If Ukraine doesn't want American investment and protection unless its gratis, well, a security guarantee could mean 100,00 dead American soldiers. Its not something taken lightly. Ukraine was invaded in 2014 and didn't build enough defenses or ammo to fight well in 2022.
So, its actually a huge risk and expense for America. Explain why we should sign this?
So why is he saying he'll agree in private and then in public keep saying no? TELL US NO IN PRIVATE THEN, BRO.
p.s. if this is "no big deal" Europe should do it first. Send in their ground troops. its no big deal, right?
Maybe Trump is pushing peace too early.
OK, then stop making agreements with us. Just tell us you plan to fight another year or more. And then have Europe pay for this. Its pretty easy. Asking for a security guarantee up front before the cease fire is even agreed upon means we'd be entering the war immediately.
"On May 20, 2019 Zelinsky took office. In June Pres. Trump stopped a shipment of $400,000 million lethal weapons as he demanded info on biden corruption. It was not till Sept that congress pushed him to release the weapons. I may be off but do you think Pres. Zelinsky may have had some history in regards to how Pres. Trump acts? E"
Zelenskyy was a comedic actor who ran for the presidency claiming he would make peace.
So, no shit, you might stop weapons shipments to see what the fuck this guy was going to do.
Secondly, Biden was indeed corrupt in Ukraine. You guys realize a lot of what Russiagate and impeachment was really about delaying the public from finding this out.
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT ERIC CIARAMELLA GUYS! Because he was part of firing Shokin. For the Bidens to collect their millions.
Its not in America interests for the Bidens to collect bribe money from China, Russia, Kazakhs, etc.
p.s. Burisma leaked that phone call back to America by asking Blue Star Strategies a US pr firm who's name is pretty obvious - who do you think you but from BLUE STARS? Dem pols of course - that Burisma was being checked out again.
That's an insane way to start an impeachment - a foreign pro-Russia firm calls up their DC lobbyist.
Yes, there are literal emails from Burisma execs to Blue Star where the Blue Star people reply something like "I have talked with our friend and our other friend as well"
Does that not sound like how Mafia talk about "that thing?"
LOL - its dirty as hell.
“would work on a plan for stopping the fighting and then discuss that plan with the U.S.”
Seems like they're leaving someone out of their discussions.
Darn that Trump, behaving so un-diplomatically that the rest of Europe is so offended by his outrages that they are going to step up to the defense of Ukraine, saving the US money and stopping that bastard Putin, to whom Trump is so obviously in thrall! Whatever we do next, don't throw Zelensky into that briar patch, and don't stop Putin from punching that tar baby!
The only head of state I remember wearing fatigues or something like that everywhere was Fidel Castro. I shall henceforth refer to him as Fidel the Zman, fashion revolutionista!
Readering - Unlike your party - the current administration is puppet-free.
Howard - I never said "woke". You snuck that in - curiously. this issue doesn't have anything to do with woke.
The left would rather allow Ukraine and Ukrainian people to die - than let Trump aid in the peace negotiations with success.
Of course they’re still not actually going to do it.
Oddly, European trade with Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, and Tajikistan rose sharply in recent years. Perhaps they should look into that? Or maybe not, I mean, a Euro is a Euro, right?
JIM: see all the WW2 Winnie photos.
Here is a history lesson on why the war started.
(turn on the volume)
US corrupt democrat senators have their greedy soulless grubby mitts all over it.
Not enough FUCK YOUs for Senator Chris Murphy.
Not enough FU's for all of the idiots who think how they are told to think.
Readering - Of course an authentic VP should be in the meeting.
an in-authentic puppet like Kamala -= yeah - she can skip it.
No Vance, and rare earth deal signed (or raw earth as Trump likes to pronounce it).
"European leaders ripped for 'creepy' pro-Zelenskyy posts that read exactly the same."
LOL - of course.
effinayright said...
"If Ukraine is finally crushed by the Russkis, you can count on the Dems blaming Trump for it, and even accusing him of aiding and abetting Putin. That's a sure as night follows day."
Russia isn't going to win. One indication is that they have run out of their most modern main battle tank and the next to last main battle tank. And the one before that. And their most modern BMTs. They've run out of rural people to draft. They are relying on N.Korean troops and munitions. That alone should tell you that he's running out of options. Russia is running out of money. Russian logistics are dismal. Don't get me wrong Ukraine isn't faring very well either. It relies too heavily on foreign military aid and half of its young men want nothing to do with this war. Zelenski has made new friends in Europe, but, historically, Europe is real good at making promises of aid and then forgetting they made any promises.
In the end the peace will be very Finlandesque. It will look like the current front lines plus Crimea.
Petty Readering thinks Trump drools for a Nobel peacenik prize, Obama got one and was overlordly contemptuous in accepting it. Trump should refuse to accept one, if offered( not in advance though ), which will not happen.
I remember watching Obama smirking on tv when he got his prize for doing nothing.
"Starmer is meeting with EU leaders today, presumably to initiate a discussion of an EU security force that would form the peacekeeping group to secure a ceasefire. However, Starmer consistently says the U.S. backstop is needed to protect the EU forces in the event the ceasefire doesn’t hold."
This is nuts. How are EU forces "peacekeepers" if the US is required to send troops to save their bacon? What is the utility of the EU forces? They're not peacekeepers, they're a tripwire. Nuts to that.
Italics off.
Yesterday James Carville probably thought, oh boy I was right Trump is self destructing! Today he probably says, oh no we are now Tripple fu*ked!
Where will the EU get the manpower to keep the peace? Have all these EU masters of the universe consulted their newly-arrived immigrants whether they support fighting in Ukraine?
"Russia isn't going to win. One indication is that they have run out of their most modern main battle tank and the next to last main battle tank. And the one before that."
Aren't you the same guy who said that Nordstream failed due to incompetent Russian maintenance, and stuck to that story even as explosive residue was found at what is now known to be a blast site? You probably also believe that Russia attacked the containment dome at Chernobyl, and shelled nuclear power plants that they firmly controlled.
What I am trying to say is that you just relay Ukrainian propaganda. But if what you are saying is true, then there is no problem and I don't see what France and the UK and Germany are worried about. Why do they need a US backstop? It will be a cakewalk.
Politics is like two pissed off guys riding up the man cage after a day drilling in the mine. “Joe give good head!” One shouts, “well, on that, you and your girl friend are in agreement!”
I think that what is going to happen is that Europe is going to do everything it can to create WW3 precisely because Ukraine is losing ground at an increasing pace. Probably once Fred Merz is in place, they will use German long range missiles to blow up the Kerch Bridge, something that Russia knows cannot be done without the direct involvement of the German military, due to a leaked phone intercept of a German general's phone call. Or they will use them to attack deep inside of Russia, whatever it takes to provoke a Russian response that can be used to drag the US into this war, just like Europe dragged us in to WWI and WWII.
"Have all these EU masters of the universe consulted their newly-arrived immigrants whether they support fighting in Ukraine?"
I'm sure the immigrants would have no problem supporting fighting in Ukraine- if it's the EU natives who will be doing the fighting, that is.
The EU have already said that their plan to end the war is to extract concessions from Russia on all points, something that can only be done if they achieve a military capitulation from Russia. It would be the end of the Russian Federation, and Russia would be acquiescing to a NATO knife at their throat, to being cut off from the Black Sea, as well as the Baltic Sea, and to having nuclear missiles deployed just a couple of hundred miles from Moscow, and have the world on a hair trigger for armageddon. Russia would be forced to move their capital to the interior. What does the US lose that is anything like that if Russia takes over those parts of Ukraine that have been historically Russian for centuries, and which are populated by the same ethnic Russians who have lived there all along.
There will be no "and malice toward none" like Abe Lincoln promised at the end of our civil war. Ukrainians will be out for blood, and those regions will be ethnically cleansed. What will the US lose if Russia wins these regions that is anything like the stakes that the Russians are playing for?
Ukrainians still revere Stephan Bandera. Why? He commanded the ethnic cleansing of the part of Ukraine that Hitler handed over to Stalin, and sent hundreds of thousands of Jews to death camps. He was under house arrest, but he was still allowed to command his army. They didn't send the Poles in western former Poland, now Ukraine, to death camps, they burned them in their houses or killed them as they fled.
The EU thought they could trick the US into killing 200,000 of it’s young men to buy the EU a new resource colony called Russia.
"Russia isn't going to win. One indication is that they have run out of their most modern main battle tank "
I'm pretty sure, that this war has shown that there no longer IS such a thing, as a "modern main battle tank"
In the Brave New Battlefield.. tanks are death traps
Josephbleau: "The EU thought they could trick the US into killing 200,000 of it’s young men to buy the EU a new resource colony called Russia."
Not just true, but quite true. But never forget, whenever you reference the EU, that automatically includes the US deep state, US establishment "elites" and largest US investment groups, all of whom worked together to hollow out the US manufacturing base and reap massive financial windfalls for the last 40 years.
Agree with Marty @11:53am. I’m not interested in backstopping other countries nor do I buy into the domino theory argument. After 1960, since when has the US involved itself in a foreign conflict that didn’t end up with the threatened country flipping to the enemy? I can only think of Grenada and Kuwait itself, not Iraq, not Syria, certainly not Vietnam nor Afghanistan. Maybe Panama, but we weren’t going in there for Panama’s sake and we ended up losing the Panama Canal and our bases there. We stayed out of Argentina and look at it today.
"The EU thought they could trick the US..."
It ain't over yet. They are staring defeat in the face, and they will escalate. Imagine if Joe Biden hadn't sent that letter to Ukraine in 2021 promising them admission into NATO. Why did he send that letter? Why not let sleeping dogs lie? Because he had a plan to draw Russia into a war he thought that we could easily win.
Biden assures Zelenskiy that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands, Kyiv says - Reuters 2019
Biden is on video in the past saying that if we tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, it would lead to war with Russia. What changed is that in 2019, we thought that we could easily win this war.
Gilbar: "I'm pretty sure, that this war has shown that there no longer IS such a thing, as a "modern main battle tank"
In the Brave New Battlefield.. tanks are death traps"
Another "not just true but quite true" comment".
Some in the defense sector get it (importantly Hegseth is one) which makes him even more of an enemy to the incumbent providers of obsolete and becoming-obsolete-very-quickly weapons providers.
Others who get it are trying to move rapidly to address the gaps: see Anduril (seeks to become the "SpaceX" of the defense industry) and Palantir.
The minimum legal conscription age in Ukraine today is 25 years old. Which tells me that Ukraine is not fully committed to its own defense. And makes it harder for me to be sympathetic enough to them for the US to continue to borrow money to give them. Especially when the US has no clear interest the continuation of a war Ukraine cannot win without direct outside military intervention. Let France, Germany, and the UK who collectively have a larger population and GDP than Russia do a direct military intervention.
LLR-democratical lonejustice: "If the West won't defend Ukraine, then he knows he can take over the rest of the former Republics with little or no fighting."
You really are far too dumb to comment in this space...though that never really stops you lefties anyway, now does it?
Putin's long-term objective is to re-establish the Soviet Union. He has called the end of the Soviet Union a disaster. As a Westerner, I have a different opinion. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was part of the Russian strategy to re-establish the USSR. If peace can be established in Ukraine without advancing that Soviet objective, I favor it. Otherwise, it's worth the US fighting against it.
“ What changed is that in 2019, we thought that we could easily win this war.”
What likely changed is that Zelenskyyy passed Beiden an envelope with copies of all the checks that Ukraine wrote to him previously, just before the 2020 election.
Greenwald
I agree with Gilbar about tanks. Accurate very long range ground based indirect rocket fire with drone recon is the future of war, according to my engineer pals in Phoenix.
JosephBleu, petty was Trump blaming his
predecessors by name instead of Putin every other answer he gave. His repetition is also a sign of something else.
American Democratic Senators and puppet Biden instigated it all. Sorry if that hurts your tender admiration for your cult leaders.
I'll add that the reason the many of the leaders of central and western Europe went to the fainting couch and had to have smelling salts it not due to any real concern for the fate of Ukraine. It is because they perceive their power and the order it upholds as being in retreat. They see Trump and his habit of inartfully and imperfectly telling the truth as the threat to their artfully expressed lies and as the existential threat to their power and status.
Rey long range rockets will take over half the Navies mission.
"Putin's long-term objective is to re-establish the Soviet Union. He has called the end of the Soviet Union a disaster. "
This is such a distortion of what Putin actually said that it amounts to an outright lie. Well, the first part is an outright lie, the second part is that he said it was a tragedy that parts of historic Russia were broken off in the chaotic end of the USSR, and many Russians were split off from the country where their ancestors had lived for centuries. Crimea has been Russian since the 18th Century, and only been Ukrainian for about 19 years. Remember that Ukraine annexed Crimea by force in 1995. Before that, and after the fall of the USSR, they had voted to be an independent country and called themselves "The Republic of Crimea" but Ukraine had a bigger army. Russia took it back without firing a shot, and the people there are quite content living as Russians.
The corrupt and inept left are fit to be tied over any sort of win from Orange Man Bad.
They prefer WWIII.
Please Watch...
my link at 3:39
Some history on the subject.
Feel free to comment.
Khrushchev never asked a single person living in Crimea what they wanted before he wrote out his diktat separating it from Russia and pasting it on to Ukraine.
Now that we know who deliberately sabotaged the meeting, will any of our resident leftists apologize for blaming Trump?
Or, nah.
That guy is great, Peachy. He was in the room with the US delegation at the fall of the USSR.
We agreed to do it ourselves our way ON CONDITION that the US agreed to do it.
Good to know- JAQ. The level of propaganda spewing from the left is Soviet-level. Which is ironic.
Audit's of democrat senator back accounts. Needed.
The drift from the trumpies is that zelensky torpedoed a deal at the last minute by attempting to renegotiate in public.
Maybe you should pull your head out and keep up with current events.
Trump should ask Hegreth to personally review satellite photos of the Sino Siberian border. I bet Xi has packed it with troops ready to take over everything east to the Urals while everyone worries about Ukraine, even better than Taiwan.
Xi could say he is just securing it for the future of the Russian people.
If Putin accepts Trumps ceasefire / possible end of war - the left are enraged.
The Left prefer WWIII to any Trump deal where Putin says uncle.
Amazing.
Again - the international left and the American corrupt soviet-Democratic grift-left - feel the same. It's all - Trump Hate/ all the time.
Enjoy your WWIII.... leftists.
remove the apostrophe from audits.
no trash button.
"Please Watch...
my link at 3:39"
Thanks for that, Peachy.
Zelinksi proves here he is an a-hole.
"Not for sale!"... But he might come back and sign the mineral deal. Maybe.
I'm not sure we are interested.
via: NYPost - just now.
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday brushed off a chance to apologize for his confrontation with President Trump at the White House, instead only saying his country’s freedom is “not for sale.”
Zelensky told reporters in the UK that his very public Oval Office showdown with Trump and Veep JD Vance on Friday “didn’t bring anything positive or additional to us as partners.”
Ukraine’s freedom and values are “not for sale,” Zelensky added after a busy day in England, where he met with European leaders at a summit in London before traveling to King Charles’ Sandringham Estate for a tete-a-tete with the monarch.
But Zelensky said he is still “ready” to sign a US-Ukraine minerals deal — and confirmed his aides are speaking to Trump’s team again about it."
"But Zelensky said he is still “ready” to sign a US-Ukraine minerals deal — and confirmed his aides are speaking to Trump’s team again about it.""
Personally, I hope that ship has sailed. I never liked it.
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine was part of the Russian strategy to re-establish the USSR. "
thats a nice bit of mind-reading there, because nowhere has Putin stated he's trying to "re-establish the USSR".
Let me mind-read. Americans who say this sort of thing don't speak or read Russian. They read the MSM or watch TV, and haven't read anything sophisticated about foriegn policy or Russia. So, they think "Putin is the next Hitler trying to CONQUER THE WORLD" just like they thought Sadaam was going to CONQUER THE WORLD. And if we don't get involved in Korea or Vietnam "WE'LL BE FIGHTING THEM ON MIAMI BEACH!!"
Of course, Miss Lindsey Graham could be an Althouse commenter. So there's that.
There is an easy path for Trump to take here- just tell the Europeans that he will sell them all the weapons they want minus long strike ones so that they can give them to Zelensky. Really, what possible objection could the Europeans offer to that?
I think that is exactly what Trump is going to tell them because the Russians are absolutely not going to agree to this Euro "peace plan". Let the Europeans put their fucking asses and money where their mouths are.
“ Levi Starks said...
After 80 years of being the global maintainer of order, (for which we receive not praise, but rather contempt) …”
Thank you. The US tried to be the world’s police force after WWII and it availed us nothing. BESIDES, US politicians since Truman lack the political will to actually win a war.
Original Mike said...
"But Zelensky said he is still “ready” to sign a US-Ukraine minerals deal — and confirmed his aides are speaking to Trump’s team again about it.""
Personally, I hope that ship has sailed. I never liked it."
Why would Trump give Zelensky a 4th opportunity to pretend he is goimg to sign a deal and then blows it up at the last second?
3 strikes and you're out.
Delaware Chancery Court Corruption Fanboy Readering: "JosephBleu, petty was Trump blaming his
predecessors by name instead of Putin every other answer he gave. His repetition is also a sign of something else"
Boy, another "first" for Trump in that regard, eh readering? Positively unprecedented! Who would ever think a President in office for 6 weeks and is being attacked on all sides of all issues by all corrupt legacy organs would dare to fire back with context.
Just add your wuss wuss complaint to what will surely be the next set of impeachment particulars your New Soviet Democraticals are slapping together.
As much as the circumstances around this meeting are regrettable, alarming, and counterproductive -- Trump taking the Kremlin line on Ukraine -- it has served to focus minds in Europe on becoming a stronger bloc, doing more on defense, and generally taking a more active role in world affairs -- particularly European affairs. Ukraine is in Europe and it only makes sense for Europe to take the lead in defending Ukraine and countering Russia. The hope is that with Europe becoming the chief defender of Ukraine, Trump will be forced to rethink his misguided and quite possibly traitorous approach to ending the Ukraine war on Putin's terms and realize that this is a political loser for him of the first magnitude.
Kakapoodle
explain why it's "traitorous" -
In actual realistic and honest detail. without lies.
So, Bich, do you support NATO troops and air support in Ukraine to fight the Russians? I have asked you this question several times and yet you persist is 100% criticism of Trump's policies here but never once offer an example of what should be done in your own opinion. Are you a coward or man, Bich?
Kakistocracy posted
“The hope is that with Europe becoming the chief defender of Ukraine, Trump will be forced to rethink his misguided and quite possibly traitorous approach to ending the Ukraine war”
1. Huge win for Trump if Europe takes our place as the banker for the war.
2. Huge loss for the Ukrainians and Russians (if peace is not secured) in the line for the meat grinder.
Michael Oren, Israeli Ambassador to the US: "When Bibi collided with Obama in 2011, Rahm Emanuel pounded my chest and barked: ‘Your [expletive] prime minister cannot come into the [expletive] White House and [expletive] lecture the president!’"
Cue Sad Trombone for LLR-democratical Rich.
Perhaps given Rich's incredible streak of one incorrect "hot take" after another for years, in fact a 100% failed hot take record over that period of time, we ought to cue up an entire symphony orchestra of Sad Trombones in a proper homage to this level of stupidity and failure motivated solely by warped political views.
It seems like the right thing to do.
Make Europe fund Ukraine. I would like to see our foreign aid dollars stay here, to be used to send illegal foreigners home, to stabilize and pressure Mexico, and to those suffering in Congo, where 150 women and children were raped and burned to death in that ongoing Rwanda/rebel incursion. Are they less human?
The EU should be careful to criticize Trump when they have been negotiating a mineral deal with the Rwandan Putin, Kagame.
Here’s the clue as to why the suit matters. When Zelenskyy finally puts on a suit he will be signaling he wants peace. Zelenskyy went to the White House in war clothes instead of peacetime clothes. It’s the kind of detail Trump cares about.
Jaq. Yes I'm the one who said that Nordstream was due to bad maintenance. And given the Russian reputation for incompetence it wasn't a bad conclusion. Subsequent news confirmed sabotage.
Your clumsy attempt to divine my thinking on other subjects is sophomoric. Since I don't read Ukrainian propaganda I have no idea what it says.
To reiterate my position on the conflict ongoing in Ukraine, which was brought about by the Biden administration, never forget that, It is my fervent hope that they both fail without our involvement. Both physically and financially. If Trump can broker a deal, good. If not. No loss to us.
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