Writes Trump, at Truth Social.
January 28, 2025
"The United States Military just entered the Great State of California and, under Emergency Powers, TURNED ON THE WATER flowing abundantly from the Pacific Northwest, and beyond."
"The days of putting a Fake Environmental argument, over the PEOPLE, are OVER. Enjoy the water, California!!!"
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It’s amazing that CA keeps electing people that don’t serve them well. In fact, the electeds are an existential threat. Also amazing that Trump forced open the spigots. I’d like to research exactly how their waterworks works, out of curiosity.
All this winning and we're only a week into Trump's term!
JD Vance will win CA in 2028.
I'm struggling to understand what this means, as PNW water supplies do not connect to California. Moving water requires expensive canals, tunnels, and pipelines, and across tall mountains too.
California draws its water internally from California's northern half to its south, and from the Colorado River (Great Basin / east). These are not generally the PNW.
If the water is flowing over state lines, then it would seem that there was indeed a federal interest involved.
They'd love to get their hands on the Columbia River. Haha suck it.
Not sure what to make of this.
I’ve heard some argument about natural water flow into central CA the was cut off over decades but It’s never been explained. Did the ACOE push some berms aside or something? We’ll never know….
Maybe somebody could tell us where exactly the water is coming from and where exactly it's going.
We do know, and it's been a HOT political topic in California for 100 years.
California built mountain dams and reseviors for rivers all along the Sierra Nevada and Coastal mountain ranges 50 to 100 years ago. The dams start just north of Los Angeles (e.g., Castaic Lake) and continue to the very far north end of the state (e.g., Shasta Lake). Before the dams were in place, the central part of the state had loads of natural water (Central & Sacramento valleys). Indeed, the southern Central Valley had marshy "Tule Lake" -- now the site of farms near Tulare, CA.
All sorts of water flows from the Central Valley, Sacramento Valley, and Owens Valley (in the east) to Los Angeles through the California Aqueduct and pipelines that move it over the mountains. The rate of flow can be changed or cut off.
With the exception of the area north of Sacramento toward Shasta, none of these locations are accurately described as "Pacific Northwest."
Ah thank you…and as you know if you live in PNW the eastern US has a pretty vague knowledge of western US geography. Then again two generations of my Idaho lumber family didn’t know what mountain range their homelands were part of…
Pumps that were down for maintenance were restarted. Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers was involved.
Google central valley project
I'll be interested to see how this move is greeted by Californians, who in general seem to be fairly knowledgeable about water resource issues. As someone who lives on the East Coast, all I really know about water is which knob is for hot and which is for cold.
"JD Vance will win CA in 2028."
Liberal incompetence that burns down your $7 million dollar Frank-Lloyd reproduction will do that to you.
I know what I would make of it, if it works out: If one man can re-direct water resources so that next week my life is made much easier, and the quality of life increases, then I'm going to start wondering why it wasn't done by the people that were sending it to the ocean instead. Especially if I happen to be looking at a smoking ruin, or know somebody that is.
People do not understand water issues one iota unless they work in water resources. The water industry is like a secret society that operates completely in the open but involves too many technical issues for people to comprehend. Also for the most part it works extremely well so people don't even think about the complex train systems that are behind the tap.
@Howard, why were pumps offline during fire season? Who authorized that? Why wasn’t getting those pumps back online expedited until after Trump showed up?
Those are eichler knockoffs that originally sold for $20,000 in the fifties.
As usual, Trump is slightly off on the details but dead right on the big picture. The water is flowing not from the Pacific Northwest but from the newly renamed Gulf of America, which Trump seized back from the Mexican cartels. So much winning!
H20 = Trump fascism. Its Chemistry 101.
not too sure what Oregon and Washington think about this. I'm assuming the water is coming from the Columbia river system. But better to ship the water to California then ship Califorians to the water.
The snail darter was endangered — except that there’s no such fish. Polar bears were going to starve — they area not at all endangered. As to the delta smelt, have any of you lefty assholes ever seen a smelt run?
Have you all ordered your trump inauguration watch yet. Only $1500.
There was a great magazine article about some family called the "Resnick" who've somehow managed to get control of the water in SoCal and dominate the almond industry. One reason why things are what they are. Its a perfect example of monopoly capitalism run amok, and what nonsense "Muh Free market" is.
I don't know mike, I don't do homework for other people why don't you ask Grok. Also, this part of the year has never been considered fire season. Because of a multiplicity of factors including the massive encroachment of urban lifestyles in the wildlands the failure to underground power lines the failure to rake the floor the failure to clean up the massive devastation that the forest suffered due to the horrible clear cutting that was ccoducted in the late 19th and early 20th century all over printed by an increase in global air temperatures has resulted in a permanent fire season in California.
Its too bad for the people in Maui that Trump wasn't POTUS during their fire. But they're probably all happy they suffered and had their beloved Joe Biden in office. Maui Fire = the day Democracy died in a line of burning cars.
What I understand is that yes, the pumps were offline, but when online the water was diverted into the ocean. Now the pumps are online but the water is no longer diverted. What I saw were actual mechanical "locks" that directed the water in a certain direction.
Remember, it’s not a lie if you want to be deceived.
California, where inflation is bad for everyone unless you bought your home in the fifties.
No kidding. Look at what is happening now in North Carolina with the army corps of engineers all over the place after Trumps visit. California might just tell him to stay out because "shut up". Maui might have done the same. I'm stunned to read that only 1-3 homes have been rebuilt there. Wow, government gone completely amuk.
Yeah if you're a true environmentalist you do not eat almonds and you do not especially use almond "milk".
"It’s amazing that CA keeps electing people that don’t serve them well."
Is it though? Do you read many of the comments offered up by Dumb Lefty Mark, LLR-democratical Rich ("kak"), Field Marshall Freder, gadfly, victoria of pasadena et al?
Explains much of why CA goes the way it goes with its lefty voters.
You have it backwards dude. The water naturally flows into the ocean. The pumps divert the water into the Central valley project. The most fundamental physics of water resource engineering is that water flows uphill towards money.
I don't think so. Californians are arrogant, corrupt, and stubbornly stupid. We all feel bad for them at the moment, but if they had their way, more areas of the country than just LA would have burned to the ground. They would need some self awareness to admit what happened was their own fault. There is ZERO self awareness in CA.
California stays blue in 2028. Guaranteed.
Big Mike: "have any of you lefty assholes ever seen a smelt run?"
No, but I've seen a fruit fly!
ba-dum, crash! Thank you - tip your waitress!
JSM
I think technically the extreme northern part of California is considered the Pacific Northwest. California does not get water from Oregon or Washington.
Predicting that CA will turn red in 2028 is a crazy as predicting Madison, WI will turn red. Madison could get wiped out by its own arrogance and stupidity just like LA and would still remain dark blue. Luckily for Madison the rest of the Wisconsin is mostly red, the the GOP Legislature keeps their bullshit contained.
Regardless of your personal politics, it's a tremendous disappointment and terrible heartbreak when there's no water in the hydrants, no or very delayed response from fire department, and your home burns because state and local government policies countermand your abilities to protect your home and property and ignore best interests of its voter-constituents.
Adequate water-supply, for fire hydrants, for landscape irrigation, for potable household and personal consumption, should be fundamental priority of LA government officials. Unfortunately, it wasn't.
Note, San Francisco has ability to pump ocean water into its separate fire-protection water-main distribution-system, meaning SF firefighters can and will use ocean saltwater for fire-fighting, without water-capacity problems or cross-contamination potable municipal water-service mains.
LA residents can look to Maui fire and aftermath. So many same mistakes. So many commonalities in inept governance and absentee leadership. And such slow-paced rebuilding, compounded by real estate speculators and "15-minute city" advocates, with no expedited permits nor accelerated approvals. Many working-class and middle-class Maui homeowners burned-out of their homes won't ever be able to rebuild; many working-class and middle-class LA homeowners burned-out of their homes also won't be able to rebuild and return.
Born in Fresno, CA in 1946. And grew up in Hawthorne, CA - this is where my father grew up and my mother moved to in 1936 and where they were living when I made a surprise arrival while visiting my grandparents farm in Fresno. Moved to Texas 3 years ago.
California water. When Edmond G (Pat) Brown was governor, California passed laws creating a massive water project which created the California aqua duct and multiple resevoirs to bring northern CA water to Central CA for farming and on to Southern CA to serve its growing population.
When Jerry Brown - Pat's son - became governor he cancelled the completion of the project. However, what had been completed served the state well for many years until someone discovered the Delta Smelt and that began the restriction of water flows south to the point of drying up farm land and driving generational farmers out of business and causing water shortages in Southern CA. California does not lack water, it lacks water storage and suffers from the misdirection of water to the ocean.
The water project was halted when the population of CA was 20 million and now it's 40 million.
Archaeologists/anthropologists often consider northern CA to be part of the PNW due to similar cultures, climate, subsistence, etc.
Gross Trump exaggeration. I love when he jerks Dems around on social media but he strayed far from the facts on this one. Reel it in just a smidge, Donald; it'll be more effective.
Honestly it feels like a coin toss at this point. One side of me wants to believe that a huge number of wealthy, narcissistic proglodytes just got mugged by reality and now see that A causes B effect and that millions of other CAttle saw it as well.
The other side of me knows the kind of character wealthy, narcissistic, elitist pricks possess, how short their memories are, and how shoe-on-head braindead retarded they can be when faced with being proven wrong.
The only answer is to get there. I want to believe rationalism will prevail, but I know what California is.
Lack of brush clearing and proper forest management are the root cause of catastrophic wild fires in CA. Water will not mitigate this problem.
But, opening the spigot removing the log jam and getting the water moving south will bring huge benefits to the entire state.
No more made up water shortages, no more water restrictions.
I'm happy Trump is using his emergency powers in response to the fire to get the water flowing. Without the fire - as horrible and heart breaking this has been for a life long SoCal native - this would have been a long drawn out process. Now make it permanent.
Advanced societies build dams.
Look at western European nations.
If you want municipal water... If you'd prefer to NOT live in the stone age - DAMS MUST BE BUILT. Increasing populations? (even due to mass illegal immigration) - dams must be built.
Again - look at Switzerland, France and Germany. These nations showcase brilliant engineering marvels, and they build infrastructure. USA? We let our infrastructure fall apart (see broken bridges, bad roads/highways, light-rail boondoggle to nowhere, etc...) while the left P-diddy.
While the left pee and moan on joke MSNBC. While Crook joe and his Tammy Baldwins line their pockets.
Americans are emotions f* c k-wits who like being controlled by the corrupt Soros-NBC left.
The AOC Green New Deal = just one more way the left can destroy everything - while lining their pockets.
Former Gov Cooper was most to blame for poor emergency response in NC. Honestly, we couldn’t have had a worse person as Gov at the time. New Gov Stein is fortunate he’s being tested while Trump in office. We won’t know his response skills raw, but the upside is he’ll learn from the master.
Trump's next classic rock hit: "Give Me Some Water"
https://youtu.be/Rm8X-DrIXX0?si=T_tsDk039S9HBkV5
JSM
Advanced societies build dams
Irrigation and dams build centralized governments, which leads to advanced societies.
In silicon valley / Santa Clara valley, the largest reservoir, Anderson, has been empty for 15 years because of seismic risk. Every time I look into its status, it looks like ten years more offline.
Anderson held more water than all other district reservoirs combined.
https://morganhilltimes.com/anderson-dam-rebuild-project-is-delayed-again/
Columbia River
Colombia River??
That's a good point because most of the wildfires that are fought in California or not in areas that have fire hydrants.
California's problems are certainly man-made, but it isn't climate change.
@Anthony: Yes, north of Sacramento the land, climate, and culture are similar to the PNW and quite different than the southern 2/3rds of the state. Still, it's an odd announcement considering that much of LA's water comes from the San Joaquin River in the southern half of the state, Owens Valley in the southern half of the state, or from the Colorado River to Lake Mathews.
There have been endless legal and economic battles for water along the course of the Colorado River for 100 years. This deeply affects the down-river states of California, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. The river is finally sucked dry before it has a chance to enter the Gulf of California. (Soon to be renamed the Gulf of MAGA? He he.)
@Dude1394: The water moving south runs into moutains just south of Bakersfield in the town of Grapevine and must be pumped up up up over the mountain to get to LA. The pipes are visible when driving south in Interstate 5 to LA. The city of LA is a gigantic long-distance water sucker across the entire southwest of the country.
I don't know why people are so befuddled about what Trump is saying. But instead of taking this seriously, they ought to be responding with WTF is this loon talking about?
As he often does, Trump is talking out of his ass. There are no "spigots" to open for the water to come gushing down from up north, except in his lunatic mind.
Naw, shoot for the moon, Donald, and if you only reach the mountains it'll be more than others managed.
The only Columbia River water that ends up in California is water that flows out to the Pacific Ocean and crashes on California beaches weeks later.
You may also not eat avocados, as the industry involves rampant theft and smuggling. Green Gold. Cartels love 'em. One pickup truck full of a few thousand stolen avocados with a wholesale value of $1.50...lots of money in a small space.
Strategic anti-growth. In the 1970s Monterey/Carmel and Santa Barbara declined state water supply upgrades, as more water facilitates growth and without water they were positioned to block growth. Many wealthy retirees in Carmel-by-the-Sea make blocking water growth their primary hobby (i.e., this is literally why Clint Eastwood became mayor -- to get around water games and modernize an old inn).
If a water source goes down...fewer people can move into the state... Great, they say. I got mine, you go away.
Great! Can we get some photos of these pumps that they just miraculously found and turned on? And does anyone know any SNAPers? You might want to consider floating them a loan. Tough times ahead.
It’s great if Trump wants to play Imaginary King; what’s embarrassing is watching his dopey subjects prostrate themselves before him.
In California, developers (e.g., Mulholland of the famous rich-folk mountaintop Mulholland Drive just north of LA) reroute water while farmers blow up pipelines and canals.
@Howard, are you unaware that when Grok doesn’t know the answer it just makes shit up?
Anyway, my questions were meant to be rhetorical.
This is from the California Department of Water Resources in December 2024 -
Today, the Department of Water Resources (DWR) announced an initial State Water Project (SWP) allocation forecast of five percent of requested supplies for 2025. The SWP provides water to 29 public water agencies that serve 27 million Californians.
They are releasing 5% of requested allocations, down from the initial 10% in early 2024 that was later upped to 40%.
We had two consecutive wet years 2022-23 and 2023-2024. However, we are off to a dry year so far except for major storms in Nor Cal back in November 2024. Our reservoir's are near capacity right now. 50% of all snowpack runoff is released into the rivers, and then into the ocean. Even in drought years.
I have no idea what Trump is referring to. My best guess is "look, a squirrel"
I used to live on the shore of the Owens dry lake in the early 1980s. My landlord was a rancher who remembers those days of blowing up the aqueduct. He was in his late 80s and still went up to the upper Sierra Meadows during the summer to work on the Chuck wagon.
Mike you probably don't appreciate how large those pumps are which if I were to guess would be about the size of a 3,000-sq ft house each. To further venture I guess I would imagine that most of the maintenance required was repacking bearings.
Trump overcomes bureaucratic inertia, scientific prejudice, and political correctness, to place people first. Engage!
Even if the existing reservoirs are full, are they sufficient for the needs of 40 million people?
I like Trump. I voted for him. I think he's a hoot-and-a-half. But US troops did not enter California to turn on the water. They didn't enter California at all. The water pumps that were opened are Federal pumps that Wash DC can turn on and off as they please.
"Proglodytes". "Shoe-on-head braindead retarded".
Thank you. I shall endeavour to utilize these wonderful descriptors far and wide.
I wonder how many endangered species/animals got barbecued in the LA fires.
It's not capitlism, it's socialism. Government owns the means of production and rewards those who are willing to pay to play.
Anti-capitalists do this all the time - calling something capitalism that is socialism because of the overpowering hand of government. Then they see the distortions and failures and claim true marxism has never been tried. Which is a lie.
He's got the talking heads talking about what he wants them talking about. And he really doesn't care about their opinions of his veracity. He's getting things done and keeping the main thing the main thing. That's a business model, not a government model.
Once again Mark does a bang up job in repeating Dem talking points and featuring the prog inability to think with any sort of creativity. As always, intentionally missing the point and pretending to be smart.
LA residents weren't allowed to water their drought-stricken vegetation, creating fire-kindling conditions right within the residential blocks of LA's neighborhoods. LA needs sufficient water to water its developed landscaping, or will continue to face wildfire risks within its urban built-up areas.
Trump's post is not a accurate but it is a narrative. I live in Los Angeles. We get no water from the Pacific Northwest and we do not have a water shortage. Most comes from the Colorado river and the Owen Valley. Between them they provide over a billions gallons of water per day. While Central and Northern California get their water from the North Coast [of CA] which gets run off from 4 main rivers in Northern California. What Trump says he did was direct those who say they have control to direct North Coast water to the Central Valley - most of the water is for agricultural use. His plan would potentially allow more water to farmers, which is good but Environmental groups will likely stop that directive. Trump wants us to believe his directive will send water to Los Angeles. It won't - in part because Los Angeles doesn't actually have a water shortage. During the fires they had [in one fire] a problem with water pressure due to the amount of water being used from three primary storage tanks. The issue was the flow and easy access to the water during a wild fire after three million gallons has been used. Altadena also had issues with water pressure - but not due to a shortage in the region. So water for fire management issue, yes. Water shortage issue, no. Just some facts. Thanks.
Trump’s missive looks like a publicity stunt, primarily intended to stick it to California Dems.
Now, Trump can stick it to Dems anytime and anyway he wants, AFAIC. Still, certain facts need to be told.
LA Basin is inundated with groundwater after 2 wet seasons. The greatest calamity before the fires was landslides that kept occurring because the soil was oversaturated and extremely unstable. In certain coastal locations they were pumping the groundwater into the ocean at the rate of million gallons per day for months and months without any effect; that’s how much groundwater there was. On top of that the aqueducts were flowing at standard capacity bringing water from the North. So LA doesn’t need any more water. They need to learn how to better manage the abundant water supplies they already have (which include Pacific Ocean btw).
The water shortages were claimed by California Central Valley agriculture interests. They wanted the aqueduct flow from the North increased so some water would be diverted to develop additional acreage in the Central Valley. I think we all need to think long and hard before jumping into supporting any Big Business interests at public expense. I am perfectly open to the argument that Big Agro complex can produce a lot of good. Still, this argument must be made and in every detail. When the argument is substituted by a slogan, personally I feel cheated.
Somebody said Trump thinks water flows from the Pacific Northwest to Southern California because Trump thinks South means "down,"...and I think they're right. He’d be real confused about the Hudson River…
If anyone needs a good geographical explainer about how water moves from Northern California to Southern California. this is worth a watch.
The Geography of California's Water
https://www.youtube.com/live/W42WB4gO6j0?si=LTItsckwcobrQepy
MS Copilot tell us, "Water from the US Pacific Northwest is being redirected to Southern California through a combination of federal water pumps and infrastructure managed by the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. Recently, the federal government restarted these pumps after they were offline for maintenance, which has increased the flow of water to Southern California."
From Politico, "
DOGE officials visited the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation’s water pumps in Northern California and said they’d worked with the agency to increase water deliveries south, as Trump has been pushing California to do."
Trump bashed California’s water system. Then DOGE paid a visit.
Looks like LLR-democratical Rich needs ANOTHER "explainer" on pumping staions and how they work to move water.
Tsk tsk tsk
I suspect Abacus Boy's current 100% talking point failure rate is in no danger of dropping!
The chasm in the understanding of "Pacific Northwest" seperates those whose context is political, in which case, of course, California is not part thereof, and, as previously noted, those using the term from an ecological, sociological or anthropological sense, in which case, the reference is correct. The only bridge between the two camps is the Klamath River drainage, which heads well into Oregon, crosses into California just southwest of Klamath Falls and is the major waterway of the Klamath mountains and a huge resouce and salmon producer for the Native Americans. A portion of the Trinity river, a major Klamath tributary, is, in fact diverted into the Sacramento river project, something that Trump could affect. So, the question ultimately becomes, is water from the Trinity, a drainage wholly within California, water from the PNW because the Trinity feeds the Klamath, a river which arrises and achieves considerable volume in Oregon?
I have it on good authority from my uber liberal friend that J.B. Pritzker(aka Baron Harkonen) is going to our next president.
It's from San Francisco Bay where two rivers dump into the bay.
Yes there are, Mark. Water is pumped(spigot) up into the central valley from the confluence of the Sacremento and San Joaquin Rivers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/californias-water-system-thrust-into-the-national-spotlight-by-president-trump/
Don't embarrass yourself
Read the link above.
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