"... you should be pardoned. If you committed violence on that day, obviously, you shouldn't be pardoned. And there's a little bit of a gray area there. We're very much committed to seeing the equal administration of law, and there are a lot of people, we think, in the wake of January 6th, who were prosecuted unfairly. We need to rectify that."
Said JD Vance.
On X, there are quite a few people objecting to this line-drawing and saying that every January 6th protester should be pardoned.
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JD Vance is so well spoken.
Hooray.
Remember - FEDS and ANTIFA wear masks.
If you committed violence on that day, obviously, you shouldn't be pardoned.
Didn't say anything about commutation. Two can play that game.
On Jan. 6th 2021, I was working for a very progressive biotech company in Emeryville, CA. I saw the news of the protest briefly and didn’t think much of it. Then the CEO sent a company wide e-mail expressing the horror of it all. The company literally lost its shit. People were allowed to go home early because of the fucking searing trauma of it all. To this day I struggle to understand the overreaction. My guess is that they were really traumatized by the fact that so many people supported Trump and were passionate about their support. I also believe that prosecuting the protesters was an attempt to diminish the support for Trump.
He should have said if you protested peacefully and were treated like a gnag member you should be pardoned. If you were working with the FBI to stir up the violence we should probably look at prosecuting you.
Everyone's sentence should be commuted. Those who didn't INJURE a police officer should be pardoned. How many who committed violence by attacking the White House in the summer of 2020 went to jail? IRC, nobody did. How many who committed violence by attacking the Federal Building in Portland go to jail? IRC, nobody did.
Republicans need to stop playing this "Gosh, look at how nonpartisan and objective I am" game. Cause the Democrats aren't playing it. The D's refuse to punish their "mobs" and try to put the republican "Mobs" in jail and throw away the key. We need one rule of law for everyone. And equal punishment for the same crimes.
IRC, only 15 Capital Hill policemen were hospitalized for injuries. Whoever, if anyone, put them in the hospital, their prison sentence should stand. No pardon, just commutation. Everyone else should be pardoned. And Lt Byrd should be charged for the murder of Ashli Babbitt.
If JD Vance or Trump think anyone is going to give them a cookie and a gold star for "Standing against violence, even when its our side" they are even stupider than I thought. The MSM/Democrats aren't going to give them credit or praise for ANYTHING.
The MSM/Democrats/Liberal/left are OK with mobs and violence if its committed by their side. Pelosi/Biden refused to even admit Antifa existed in 2020. Meanwhile, the Conservatives/Republicans, are full of idiots like Erick Erickson who wanted to shoot down the J6 protesters like dogs.
Everyone in prison should be released even if they committed violence as described by the Biden Gestapo. For those who you can be reasonably sure were charged properly for violence, you commute their sentences. Everyone else gets a pardon. However, one other thing needs to be done- the civil rights are hundreds of these people were violated egregiously by the Biden Gestapo and those people need to have the full support of the Trump Administration in suing the federal government and the members of the Biden Gestapo individually for those violations- this means opposing no discovery requests. The people in the Biden Administration who perpetrated this need to be bankrupted in court.
A Pelosi-rrection and probable Whitmer conspiracy to commit American Civil Liberties Unburdened without an audit... without accountability or so they hoped. A viable, forward-looking Democratic "burden"... burden. #HateLovesAbortion
The supposed "outrage" was as stage-managed as the Fed-assisted Pelosi-enabled "invasion" of capitol. Vance is correct in his assessment that pardons are for those who behaved with civility during Jan 6 protests, even if within capitol building (given seeming welcome by many capitol officers). Those Jan 6 protestors convicted of photo-documented assault, vandalism, etc should not have their sentences vacated, but let's face it folks, these guys were more aggressively prosecuted than the average gangbanger arrested for violent assault, arson, even voluntary manslaughter by former Cook County (Chicago) State's Attorney Kim Foxx administration.
That does sound like a good idea. All the liars must be sued into the ground.
But those who committed violence could have their sentences commuted.
Yes ma'am.
How many were “violent” were there?
Note to Althouse and other left of center people. You haven’t seen any of that out of the federal government for the past four years so I’m reminding you that It really ispossible to infuse government with common sense.
Media silent on cold blooded killing of Ashley Babbit.
Media strangely silent on the assassin who killed Cory C and almost assassinated Trump.
clues.
Not sure I agree, Dave. If they were violent, I say serve out your term. They chose to be violent.
"If you committed violence on that day, obviously, you shouldn't be pardoned. "
Absolutely!
IF you took a pistol.. Loaded it.. Cocked it.. Took the safety off..
Pointed it at an unarmed government employee (or, former employee)..
and then SHOT HER DEAD! No pardon for You, you MURDERING THUG!!
I think the measured JD response is the best way to handle it. No Biden style blanket pardon (for the worst of the worst btw) just because there was a chance the oncoming administration would execute convicts on death row. That’s no way to grant clemency in a responsible way.
There may be no way to remove all political appearance, but we need to try something.
I'm glad they're (apparently) going to base pardons and commutations on substantive criteria rather than a one-size-fits-all approach.
This is the thing about power. How can anyone know you have it if you don’t wield it? Everyone in jail for any offenses on J6 should know that they will be released. Whether with a pardon or a commutation, they will be released. Fu
"My guess is that they were really traumatized by the fact that so many people supported Trump and were passionate about their support."
Exactly!
and when in 2024, that support INCREASED to a majority of voters; they started sh*tting their pants
Oops, that Fu was supposed to be furthermore but I decided not to add anything and didn’t erase the whole word.
Isn't the big selling point of the American legal system that the law is applied equally to all? Maybe I got that wrong.
Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection, and any facts about the event were bulldozed by the Democrats, openly and on TV.
My understanding of that day is that there were thousands of hours of tapes, and we have seen only a small portion of them.
The Uniparty gave up on actual facts, and made everything about Trump. It hunted people who were peaceful, and openly sought to ruin their lives.
I do hope that somehow the actually truth of what happened that day comes out, but so far it seems that facts are taking a backseat to politics.
My personal belief is that this was a set up, meant to hide, the actions of the uniparty to steal an election.
It was an attempt to destroy Trump, and his supporters. To publicly destroy him, and to destroy any opposition to the new, illegal, regime.
VP Vance and President Trump are cause for great optimism on this issue. Aside from the great many people convicted of "parading" and similar victimless crimes, they're in fine position to crack open the conspiracy and send FBI plants like Ray Epps to the freed up jail cells.
What’s the point of being in the opposition to the democrats if when assuming power we’re going to behave just as they would?
If Liz Cheney refuses to release the passwords for the encrypted Jan 6 kangaroo court records, one must presume that she organized the event along with the "insider investing genius" Pelosi. Both of them would (or appear to have) forced others to go to prison for their own crimes.
Julie Kelly posted some video in which the police may have provoked some violence. Unbiased investigators, if they can be found, need to go through all the evidence.
while someone who was instigated to violence on J-6 spends 15-20 years in prison...
The Soros-left are happy to open the prison doors to all sorts of actual criminals. The Soros funded revolving door for illegal criminals has gotten many Americans killed.
We notice.
FEDS and Antifa wear masks.
Thus ending the right to a speedy trial.
A golden opportunity for Republicans in about a week, would be to make good on their old promise to release all the Jan 6th tapes. Remember that? What's keeping them from doing so? What's keeping them from saying why they won't? The voting's over and the voters have spoken.
I guess to put in it my thoughts. I always thought it absurd that the FBI spent any resources hunting down people who can clearly be seen doing nothing more than wandering the halls of the Capitol taking selfies. Then there were a few that I recall filming themselves acting if they were acting on behalf of something else nefarious (I recall a couple sorting through documents in one of the chambers claiming to be looking for certain files). I thought those people should be found and asked what the hell they were doing. And depending on their answers, maybe prosecuted. And then there were some being violent, assaulting people, and damaging property. Finding them, arresting them for a crime, and trying them for their actions seemed fine to me.
The first group should get a pardon on January 21st. The second group probably too should get a pardon, but I wouldn't mind examining what they were doing. The third should be reviewed and handled on a case-by-case basis on deserving a pardon, commutation, or serve their sentence.
That said, I think it will be difficult to find the evidence that supports dividing into those three categories. Whose evidence do you trust? I can't say I have an answer for that one that is satisfying to me, much less others. And if I can't trust the evidence they were guilty of anything more than Group 1, then I'd put them in Group 1.
If you attacked a police officer on Jan. 6, you get a retrial. The rest get pardons. Make the trials public. Then arrest every leftist nationally who attacked civilians or police, blocked roads and hospital entrances, trespassed, or committed vandalism (whose statute hasn’t run), and try them. Let people see the difference. Yes, this would be an impossible task. So choose the worst first. There are thousands of left-on-police violence to pick from. Be strategic about the venues. Database the rest and publicize all the attacks and violence and damage that can’t be brought to trial.
I’ve embedded myself in relatively tiny protests where people tried to commit more harm to police than what happened on Jan. 6. But in those, the police had advanced warning and were better prepared. Still, they were ordered to stand in place and take a beating from the “peaceful protesters,” who incited all the violence.
That’s not the police’s fault. They have to follow orders, and they have to protect each other in real time.
The entire prosecutorial effort was poisoned by political interference and bias and was executed with bad intent by the DOJ and the Judiciary.
Pardon them all.
His statement does leave open the idea they could prosecute the whitewashed government actors. Not that I’m expecting that. Still. a kid can dream…
If they were violent they should serve out their turn. Yeah right. Leaving aside all the others in BLM/Antifa who comitted "Violence" in 2020 who didn't serve any time, what is "violent"? If you look at the charges leveled at J6ers, you'll see that people weren't charged for attacking the Police, they were charged with "assaulting, resisting, or impeding" police officers.
As you might expect, "resisting arrest" or "Impeding" a police officer is quite different from Assaulting them. Are they all "violent"? Of course, your average dumbshit Republican doesn't understand that. "Lock 'em up and throw away the key" - they screech. Idiots.
Start with the guy that gunned down Ashlii Babbitt Put that homicide in front of a real DA and the killer would be looking at manslaughter at a minimum.
Not one single person who was tried in DC for J6 offenses got what would normally be considered a fair trial. Not one.
Pardon them all.
I like JDV, but it's not "very simple." Even the "violent" J6ers were treated inequitably and deserve consideration. Without a full picture of "informant" instigation and police initiating violence, degrees of blame/guilt are hard to assess. Since the politicization of justice was systemic, the response needs to be broad, generous, and decisive.
if so many have been punished already who will draw nuanced line about violence and pardons?
Is JDV claiming some proceedings were due process?
shunt him into side job for this Harvard graduate.
get another VP for DJT
There are a couple of more judges that should be removed for their participation in these cases, as well. Shame on all of them.
if so many have been punished already who will draw nuanced line about violence and pardons?
Is JDV claiming some proceedings were due process?
shunt him into side job for this Harvard graduate.
get another VP for DJT
if so many have been punished already who will draw nuanced line about violence and pardons?
Is JDV claiming some proceedings were due process?
shunt him into side job for this Harvard graduate.
get another VP for DJT
Violent crimes are defined by the FBI as “murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.” Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t see any of that on J6.
when the japanese attacked Pearl Harbor some wanted to bomb the Japanese and kill them and sink their ships. But others said "We shouldn't lower ourselves to their level. If we do that, we're no better than Tojo and the Japanese Imperial Navy".
I'll bet it was "Presidents' Tumblr," the equivalent of a Journolist for high-level administrators. At lot of these communication networks such as "New England College Presidents" proliferated during covid. They were then used to rapidly disseminate almost identical messages that the groupthink-minded Presidents / administrators sent out.
It was amazing (and gross) to see my college put out a George Floyd message that was nearly identical to every other college's George Floyd message almost instantaneously, and then do something very similar on January 6 almost while it was still happening. Almost like it was pre-planned and some distributor of talking points was just waiting to send off the messages.
It's the old "flood the zone" trick expanded from coordinated newspaper and tv news coverage (though there was plenty of that) to corporate communications. And it's a good reason to ignore everything that arrives in such a form.
That's what i love about Erick Erickson, he's so principled. When the Republicans have power he wants them to shoot Republican protesters and wants them punished and put in jail. And the Democrats agree. And when the Democrats are in power he want to do the same thing to Democrats. But the D's have the power and don't do that. So, it works out great for the Ds!
But Erickson is principled! He's no hypocrite.
You can't just look at the charges or an out-of-context video to determine guilt or innocence with regard to violence towards police--that's why we have trials. But since none of these people got a fair trial--through both prosecutorial behavior, mistreatment while in pre-trial custody, and obviously partisan and corrupt judges--you can't unequivocally say that ANY of them committed violence. WE DON'T KNOW.
And even if we set that aside, it's now obvious that the whole little Reichstag Fire was an entrapment operation.
Pardon them all.
Pardon them all.
if so many have been punished already who will draw nuanced line about violence and pardons?
Is JDV claiming some proceedings were due process?
shunt him into side job for this Harvard graduate.
get another VP for DJT
if so many have been punished already who will draw nuanced line about violence and pardons?
are you and JDV claiming some proceedings were due process?
shunt him into side job for this Harvard graduate.
get another VP for DJT
Althouse said:
On X, there are quite a few people objecting to this line-drawing and saying that every January 6th protester should be pardoned.
It is a miniscule percentage of Americans who support Trump because they want all of the J6'ers to be pardoned - and they live 24/7 on Twitter. Trump is looking to the future and JD's formula will be accepted/approved/applauded by 75% of the country. Meanwhile, Bondi and Patel have their job cut out for them to root out the scum within the DOJ/FBI AND reform for the future. They don't have time to get bogged down on the past and thus some collateral damage (the gray area) will exist.
FREE EM ALL we still got government shutdown to attend in few months ,im sure another peaceful event.NO FLAG POLES PLEASE.
Narayan - you are missing the art of the deal.
Personally I think TRump/Vance/Elon/Vivek etc. should tell them whatever it takes to stop the bitch biden from destroying the country anymore. Then do whatever they want once confirmed/installed. Telling the truth to the democrat media is not a requirement.
Telling Bieden what you plan to do before 12:01 on 1/20/25 is unwise.
Be vewy quiet wascally wabbit. We'll release the hounds after the bitter demented, corrupt, lying, grifting, old husk and his cronies are gone.
It was correct the way you had it.
If you were anywhere near the Capitol on Jan 6th and weren't FBI affiliated you've probably been treated worse than gang members.
For all we know, Tren de Aragua members are getting guided tours from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
Yes- this is a solid argument for a blanket pardon for all of them.
There are some who committed violence, but were over-sentenced. Those should be commuted down to something consistent with other people convicted of similar crimes on other dates.
Punching cops is bad. Absolutely. But punching a cop in front of the Capital Building is not really worse than punching a cop in front of the White House, or in Kenosha or in Portland.
A new AG could also make sure that the DoD really has turned over all exculpatory evidence (as required by law, but you know Garland . . . ) - if that helps in some appeals, then so be it.
Well-spoken indeed. But not, perhaps well-informed".
Jupiter - the unindicted feds & provocateurs are not in need of a pardon. They are all free. Even Ray epps is a free man - unless I am mistaken.
I Agree.
As opposed to where we were at on January 21, 2021, after Trump inherited a strong economy in 2017 and left an absolute “dumpster fire” for Biden to deal with.
It’s always easy to criticize when you’re not in power.
These guys are about to get a serious wake up call.
Show us one peaceful demonstrator who was convicted and sent to prison..
As others have pointed out, there's another problem. Many of those convicted of "non-peaceful" crimes on J6 were more or less Railroaded. They not only faced anti-Trump judges wanting to "hang them high", they faced 94 percent Democrat DC juries that always - i repeat always - found the Republican Protesters guilty on all counts. Biden's DoJ always overcharged J6ers and asked for maximum punishments.
Many of the J6ers had no experience in legal proceedings and just pled guilty to all charges and threw themselves on the mercy of the DC Federal Judges. And of course, they got no mercy, quite the opposite. Go read Julie Kelly.
Of course. I'll go through all 1000 convictions and get back to you. LOL!
They all got what they deserved. Too bad the guy that brought them there and encouraged what they did got away with it.
"Trump is looking to the future and JD's formula will be applauded by 75% of the country" LOL - planet earth is calling they want know what color the sky is in your world. The 25 percent that voted against Trump aren't going to applaud him for ANYTHING. Most of the 50 percent that did, wont care. His base, which elected him, does care. And they will be pissed off if he doesn't commute or pardon everyone.
DC Republicans just cant help themselves. They always think they'll get credit for being "reasonable" and "Doing the right thing" especially if it upsets their base. And it never happens. All they do is piss off their base, and lose the next election.
Yes, pardon them all. None of them got fair trials or due process. But equally important, charge Byrd with the murder of Ashli Babbitt. Investigate the death of Rosanne Boyland.
"On X, there are quite a few people objecting to this line-drawing and saying that every January 6th protester should be pardoned."
You can't have two standards. You can't hold protestors on the left responsible when they cross the line and commit violence and then give a pass to protestors on the right. We are a nation of laws and the laws need to be applied equally to everyone.
Compare them to the Antifa and BLM people that attacked the White House and actually hurt a lot of officers. No punishment worse than any of them got for the same level of problem. Oh, that's right, the same prosecutor let them all go, pretty much the same for all the 2020 Antifa/BLM rioters nationwide.
But hitting Vance's point about actual violence, sentences can be commuted in line with the Antifa/BLM sentences for 2020.
That was Gun Violence!. It just happened to be his.
I dunno Troll. You gotta troll harder.
I hope that's the case.
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