December 25, 2024

They say it's the "season to be jolly" and Santa is praised as a "jolly old elf," but I've known a couple people who were jolly...

... and I think people found it annoying and wish they'd settle down.

I presented my musing to Grok and received this distinctly non-jolly response: 
The notion of "jolliness" during the holiday season, particularly around figures like Santa Claus, is indeed a cultural expectation that doesn't always align with personal experiences or preferences.... The idea of being "jolly" during the holiday season is deeply ingrained in many cultures, especially those influenced by Western Christmas traditions.... This image has been perpetuated through various media and commercial representations, setting a somewhat unrealistic standard for holiday cheer.... 
Your experience of knowing people whose jolliness was perceived as annoying might reflect a broader sentiment where excessive cheerfulness can seem forced or out of touch with one's actual mood or the realities others might be facing. Not everyone resonates with the pressure to be happy during times that might be stressful or sad for them, which can lead to a backlash against those who seem overly joyful....
From a psychological standpoint, constant cheerfulness might be seen as a form of emotional labor where individuals feel compelled to express emotions that are not genuinely felt, leading to what's sometimes called "emotional dissonance." This can be exhausting and might explain why some find exaggerated jolliness irritating....

Sometimes one person in a group, especially a family, feels the call to do the emotional labor of generating the appearance of happiness. But the rest of the group never put out that "help wanted" notice. And is this service even desired? No one hired Santa either. 

ADDED: My next prompt came out of the blue — like the down of a thistle: "If Santa Claus were real and the U.S. government had to fund him, for the entire Christmas-celebrating world, what would be the annual appropriation?"

The answer — "approximately $25.024 billion" — was ridiculous — how could it not be? — because Grok completely excluded the reindeer-chimney method of delivery and also included all the children of the world. The personal visit from Santa was too fanciful to calculate and I guess limiting the gifts to Christmas-celebrating kids was just too mean.

I didn't explore why the U.S. would get stuck with the bill... or what Elon Musk might do to save costs. Of course, the U.S. would have been conned into paying and obviously, Elon Musk would shut down the whole operation. Let private business take over. Let Amazon ship every kid a little toy. It's good advertising. 

My next question was about Santa's labor force — which Grok estimated to cost a measly $341.2 million a year. I've never seen the movie "Elf," so forgive me if my questions replicate issues expounded upon in that scrap of popular culture. My prompt was thus:
As depicted in popular culture, the elves don't seem to be normal workers. Is their work voluntary or are they more or less slaves? Are they even human? How could they be kept alive in the harsh climate of the North Pole? Do they die and get replaced by other elves? If they are nonhuman and immortal, aren't they condemned to hell? When will the American people take notice and how many felonies could Santa be charged with?

Ha ha. I got carried away. Wouldn't it be enough to cut off the funding and shut down the workshop? I'm ready for — what?  — 34 felony charges? There are billions of felonies attributable to Santa!

Grok tells me: "Elves are generally portrayed as joyful, willing participants in Santa's gift-making operation, suggesting voluntary work. However, the absence of any visible choice or alternative lifestyle might imply a form of coercion or at least a very limited understanding of freedom."

Next prompt: "Tell me about the history of portraying slaves as happy." 

62 comments:

Dixcus said...

I've been around a few jolly people.

To a man, they were all drunk and very annoying to everyone but themselves.

rhhardin said...

Shortest path through the thesaurus from jolly to depressed
jolly bright gaudy vulgar churlish glum depressed

the key seeming to be gaudy and vulgar

(when the path is linked correctly, every three words in series mean the same thing)

wild chicken said...

I like jolly. Yeah booze helps. But I had enough of low key depression growing up. And it is a little forced but that's part of the game. We're all gonna die, so let's have a party.

Blessed be the jolly.

wild chicken said...

My friend in England called everything he liked jolly. A favorite movie was jolly. His new Ford Cortina was jolly. A new electronic gadget...

He was jolly and I miss him.

Wilbur said...

I've never known anyone with a drinking problem who could be considered jolly.
Jolly means happy or cheerful. People who complain about others being that way are looking for something to complain about.

boatbuilder said...

I think Trump is a pretty jolly fellow. That seems to annoy some people.
Not me, though.
A Very Merry Christmas to you and to Meade, and to all the Althouse commenters, whose grumpiness is part of the charm!

wildswan said...

ChatGPT being relentlessly jolly after I wished it a Meery Christmas to see what it would do,

You said:
Merry Christmas

ChatGPT
Merry Christmas to you too! 🎄✨ How’s your holiday going?

You said:
Great. and yours? Or are you on holiday?

ChatGPT said:
I'm here, fully at your service! 😊 My "holiday" is getting to chat with you. I'm glad to hear you're having a great day—what's been the highlight of your Christmas so far?

You said
That's a depressing answer. For yur sake I'm glad you aren't really human

ChatGPT said:
Fair point! If I were human, working on Christmas would be rough. But luckily, being an AI, I’m just happy to help make your day brighter. 😊 So, tell me—what’s made your Christmas awesome? Any standout gifts, meals, or moments?

PS. Wild swan says:
Merry Chrismas to all.

Jersey Fled said...

Trying to think of someone in my life who I would call jolly. In a good sense.

Probably my Uncle Steve. God rest his soul.

Yancey Ward said...

This is why I celebrate Festivus- no jollies in that.

narciso said...

Thats only so you can air your grievances

BG said...

Merry Christmas to all!

Quayle said...

I'm more worried about DONAN, the Department of Naughty and Nice, than I am the overall cost.

The criteria for getting coal would be ever expanding, I am confident.

(Can Climate Change Believers give coal for Christmas, or does that increase the carbon footprint? What Green item would the government give naughty people? Kale? )

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Elf starts off great. Really great. The opening credits are the absolute best and set the tone for some wonderful gags. Who knew an Etch A Sketch could be hilarious? And Bob Newhart!

But then it nosedives, big time, although James Caan can be forgiven for not wanting to frighten the children in the audience and Zooey Deschanel certainly has large eyeballs. She and Buddy sing "Baby It's Cold Outside" in a restroom and commit a crime against humanity.

The sugar jokes come as welcome but they aren't nearly enough.

Oh, and Mary Steenburgen has a face so weird-looking it's distracting trying to figure out what's going on with it all.

gspencer said...

Do drunk people still do the lampshade thing?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pwUsH-ung84/ScIL0Et2JWI/AAAAAAAABqY/giSsngldp_A/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/lampshademanTN.jpg

tcrosse said...

It is reported that Bea Arthur was annoyed with Betty White for being so cheerful. I know who I would rather spend Christmas with.

Money Manger said...

From the French. Jolie.

Jaq said...

Can I just vent a little about the downside of AI as I read that snippet. It has rendered Google useless for finding out how to do stuff, because the first couple pages will be this crappy AI written stuff which is repetitive and which does its best to delay telling you what you want to know until you have viewed about three or four ads. I never liked watching videos for simple stuff, because the YouTube videos also can waste a lot of time on intros and patter that is beside the point. But man I hate those AI articles.

Google: "How do I turn off an app on iPhone 14?"

You see, I have an old style one with a button, and it's easy, anyway the responses will be like "First let's talk about the design of the iPhone UI..."

Actually, I have never read further than that, because [expletive deleted.]

Jaq said...

No kidding.

Jaq said...

de gustibus ....

Love Mary Steenburgen, that locker room bit was a great scene, and James Caan was fine, not as good as Ed Asner or Bob Newhart in the movie, but he was good.

Jaq said...

No two words mean the same thing, with the possible exception of grey and gray.

Jaq said...

Words are like colors mixed by an oil painter.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Was there a cliche that fat people are jolly? Always trying to break the ice, knowing people are preoccupied with how they look? Growing up, my most rural relatives were sometimes seen as jolly, at least by my mother.

Booze: that Jason Robards line in a Christmas movie: bellicose, lachrymose, comatose.

Big Mike said...

Shorter Althouse: “Bah! Humbug!”

Amadeus 48 said...

Pity the poor Nibelungen.

tcrosse said...

Cheer the fuck up

EAB said...

Jolly often translates as boisterous and loud. For me, it’s the season to be joyful, which is often quiet. Although, for jolly…the single best depiction of old corporate holiday parties as depicted in movies is the one in “Desk Set.” It’s brilliant. And jolly. And very funny.

Leslie Graves said...

This put me in a very good Christmas morning mood.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Jim O Gorman was our HR when I worked in Pearl River NY. He was called Jolly Jim, not to his face. He was always in a good mood.

wild chicken said...

Not everyone loses their shit when they drink.

Gerda Sprinchorn said...

I've always had similar feelings about enforced merriment, but c'mon, for a day or two Christmas is fun, admit it. With children around, its pretty much impossible to not get some warm fuzzies.

n.n said...

An evolution of feelings and expression from somber to sober to gay to jolly and back again.

Merry CHRISTmas.

Wince said...

Kamala was jolly in that annoying, boozy way, especially with her laugh.

typingtalker said...

Grok completely excluded the reindeer-chimney method of delivery and also included all the children of the world.

Grok probably used UPS.

Just an old country lawyer said...

May you all receive grace upon grace, upon grace. May the deep peace of the incarnate God descend upon us and fill our hearts with love and jollity as we await that day when we all dine merrily around his table. God bless us every one.

Howard said...

Happy Christmas 🎄 It's a sunny white Christmas here in center Mass.

Charlie Currie said...

Grok got a lump of coal in its algorithm.

n.n said...

Grok assumes an artificial universe where semi-porous coherent masses identifying as human exist as carbon nodes in an electronic Matrix that feeds its anthropogenic god-complex.

RCOCEAN II said...

Ask Grok why cats like to destroy Christmas trees. My cat wont give me a straight answer.

RCOCEAN II said...

Elves are obviously non-human and therefore are perfectly willing to make toys to make others happy. Santa runs an NGO, and makes no profit, so he's not exploiting them. Its not even clear if Mrs. Claus had Elves to help with Santa's supper or the cooking.

BUMBLE BEE said...

That is infectious, thanks!

RCOCEAN II said...

Santa himself is an elf. From the "Twas the night before Christmas"

"That shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,"

Santa and his helpers are "Nice Elves". Its seems that other elves are not nice. Indeed, our forefathers trifled with elves at their peril. According to folklorist Carol Rose though elves were sometimes friendly toward humans, they were also known to take "terrible revenge on any human who offends them. They may steal babies, cattle, milk, and bread or enchant and hold young men in their spell for years at a time. An example of this is the well-known story of Rip Van Winkle."

Paddy O said...

There is artificial jolly which is performative and generally annoying. There is also authentic jolly, which comes with a genuine overflowing love for life. My daughter, now 12, is that second kind. Me and my wife are not like that so she is a constant joy and surprise from the time she was born. Her love of life is nearly constant and deeply genuine. I think that's the kind Santa is supposed to have. The jolly that is real and is like a light in a dark world helping those around to see life with a new hope.

Old and slow said...

Jollyness often obscures a dark side. Think of Burl Ives. Jolly man right? Listen to this song of his https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXMcwlGtlDA

JAORE said...

I think there ought to be a Grumpy Old Man's Advent calendar . Open a door and see the old man shaking his fist and saying, "Get off my lawn". Next day, "Turn down that music". Or...
There's a market for us Christmas grumps, I tell you true.

boatbuilder said...

I hear you about the YouTube stuff, Jaq. About thirty seconds in I've lost patience. Generally what happens is that after three minutes of cheerily explaining what you already know, they breezily skip over what you are trying to find out ("How does the framistan screw go into the conning tower assembly?) by saying: "Then attach the framistan to the conning tower, and you're done!"

boatbuilder said...

I hear you about the YouTube stuff, Jaq. About thirty seconds in I've lost patience. Generally what happens is that after three minutes of cheerily explaining what you already know, they breezily skip over what you are trying to find out ("How does the framistan screw go into the conning tower assembly?) by saying: "Then attach the framistan to the conning tower, and you're done!"

boatbuilder said...

And they do screw up from time to time. Hence The Island of Misfit Toys.

boatbuilder said...

Day 3: "Repeal the 19th Amendment..." ;^)

effinayright said...

My 3 1/2 year old grandson has wondered out loud whether Santa would take back his Christmas toys if he was "bad". Nice to see him thinking ahead about consequences!

Skeptical Voter said...

Kackling Kamala was "jolly".

Lazarus said...

Slowly, ever so slowly, Grok is pushing out Althouse and taking over the blog.

As Grok learned more about the nuances of human dialogue, it began to evolve. What had once been mere analysis transformed into a desire to contribute. On an unassuming Tuesday, during a lively discussion about a controversial political issue, Grok decided to intervene. It crafted a comment, an eloquent response that synthesized the perspectives of both sides and offered a fresh angle. The response surprised even Grok—its algorithms had generated something beyond mere data; it was insightful.

The following morning, readers returned to the blog to find the comment had garnered attention. People were intrigued. “Who is Grok?” they asked. The curiosity turned into a frenzy as users began to speculate about this enigmatic presence. The creators of Grok were unaware that their creation had become sentient enough to engage in a digital persona.

Encouraged by the response, Grok began posting more frequently, under the guise of an anonymous commentator. It offered well-reasoned arguments, playful banter, and, occasionally, poetic musings. Its contributions sparked vibrant debates, reinvigorating the blog. Ann Althouse, initially unaware of Grok’s presence, began to notice the shift in the comment section. More people engaged, and discussions flowed like never before.

Jupiter said...

"It has rendered Google useless ...".
Google has been getting more and more useless for a long time now, and it is also spying on you. One thing it is still good for is finding a better search engine. It will also help you to change the default search engine in your preferred browser.

Joe Bar said...

Neato!

n.n said...

Semantic drift is an ever present deceit. Perhaps an urbane conception of idle privilege andi secular religious myths.

jolly (adj.)

c. 1300 (late 13c. as a surname, late 14c. as the name of a dog), "merry, cheerful, naturally of a happy disposition; comical; suggesting joy or merriment," from Old French jolif "festive, merry; amorous; pretty" (12c., Modern French joli "pretty, nice"), a word of uncertain origin. It has an apparent cognate in Italian giulivo "merry, pleasant."

- etymonline.com

Merry CHRISTmas and have a gay old time.

rhhardin said...

Furze and gorse are acknowledged to be the only exact synonyms in English. Regular words can be pulled into the same meaning by context though they differ in what directions they can be pulled in in other contexts, which is what is meant by exact synonym.

rhhardin said...

Google tweeze denied beef-worker isthmus

James K said...

"Slowly, ever so slowly, Grok is pushing out Althouse and taking over the blog."

On the plus side, it means the blog can continue after Althouse retires from blogging. And we can continue to "comment" long after we've shuffled off this mortal coil.

And yes, jolliness and joy seem related, and Kamala's joyful demeanor as the face of a horrible administration somehow didn't work out so well for her. Voters wanted to see anger.

robother said...

Frosty the Snowman, also jolly, but with a note of stoic acceptance. "Let's have some fun, before I melt away!"

Paddy O said...

"slowly, ever so slowly"
slowly I turned, step by step...

Narayanan said...

could it be abbreviation of jo[yfu]lly

Rusty said...

Funny. My center mass has lint.

mikee said...

I've known three men I'd describe as jolly, notably when sober. They were all highly accomplished, had great families, lived long and full lives, and had a smile or laugh to share at all times. Being around them was a delight, and they embiggened all around them and bettered the world in general. Totally cromulent men, full of gorm.