ADDED: The NYT has "some of the questions Ms. Cheatle was asked repeatedly that she did not answer":
How many Secret Service agents were assigned to protect President Trump in Butler, Pa.?...Ms. Cheatle seemed to indicate that the Secret Service had left the rooftop unmanned on purpose, because, she said, the agency preferred “sterile” — presumably meaning empty — rooftops. Instead, she said, the warehouse rooftop was to receive “overwatch” — meaning law enforcement officers were supposed to watch that rooftop from another, higher perch.
Who decided that the warehouse roof should be outside the Secret Service’s security perimeter for Mr. Trump’s rally?...
Why did the Secret Service allow former President Trump to take the stage, despite people in the crowd pointing out a gunman on the warehouse roof?...
How did Mr. Crooks get his rifle up onto the warehouse roof? Did he leave it there before the rally?...
What additional security steps did the Secret Service take after the U.S. learned about a potential Iranian plot to kill Mr. Trump?...
Ms. Cheatle said she thought the security in place at Butler was sufficient to deal with the Iranian threat.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 219 of 219Big Mike said...
What's yer point here? Mine is, why would the SS and FBI enlist a rank amateur to perform such an act? One where he could be SEEN by the people at the rally?
Perhaps because a competent shooter would be aware that his chances of survival were damned close to zero. A good shooter would take up a position at least 800 meters (roughly a half mile) away to improve his chances of escape, he’d use a bolt action rifle with at least a match grade barrel (or perhaps a Springfield Armory M1A), and he’d probably have fitted a silencer (even though the bullet would be supersonic). And a true scope, not a red dot sight suitable for a handgun.
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This argument chases its tail: if the kid was an amateur, he might be easier to kill, but he also might be more likely to screw up---which he did. Those rapid fire shots indicate a lack of experience. Had he assessed why his first shot missed he could have taken a better one.
Instead, he just blazed away, the later shots being farther away than the first.
That's not what the pro hiding 800 meters away in the woods would have done.
We'll all be interested to see if any of the kid's friends, neighbors and schoolmates know if he had been visited by Men in Black. If not, I remain skeptical.
has anybody reviewed if Cheatle can handle fieldwork with armor and guns?
in The Firm Wilford Brimley was convincingly menacing hunting Tom Cruise
minnesota farm guy said...
... I will say that that same inexperienced Second Lieutenant could have done a better establishing the perimeter at Trump's rally. ....
7/22/24, 3:59 PM
Parents who have chaperoned a teenager's social event (high school band trip, for example) could do a better job of choosing where you need observers and do a better job of stopping and questioning anyone acting suspicious.
Of course no one will ask them because they're probably all members of their schools' PTAs and so are on some FBI terrorist watch list.
And "secure" does not mean "overwatch", it means physically controlling that piece of ground, or roof, as the case may be.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13644937/trump-shooting-rally-secret-service-blame-Pennsylvania-police.html
Cheatle already told ABC News that Secret Service was inside the AGR building.
Cheatle confirmed reports that snipers had not been placed on the roof of the AGR building on to which Crooks scrambled to take his shot because the roofs were sloped.
'There's a safety factor that would be considered putting somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, the decision was made to secure the building from inside,' she added.
Who made the decision to secure the building from inside and not have at least a reserve officer with a radio on the roof? Even if not a member of the "D Team" you have eyes and ears and a communication link to that point of interest.
There is no doubt in my mind this was a assassination attempt by our government... or at least the mob-controllers/Biden cabal.
Swede said...
The Secret Service shouldn't be a career choice for chubby soccer moms.
And yet, here we are.
You just boiled down what this is all about at the highest level.
The goal is destruction of merit based selection in favor of racial and gender spoils in order to give status and wealth to mediocrities like Cheatle instead of Men who have experience and competence.
HR and Bureaucratic positions are created by governments and giant corporations that give mediocre women and minorities status over engineers and builders and other people who are selected on merit and created value. They get paid to push DEI BS and support the tribes superiority and agenda.
Narayanan said...
has anybody reviewed if Cheatle can handle fieldwork with armor and guns?
in The Firm Wilford Brimley was convincingly menacing hunting Tom Cruise
I would like to see her run 800 meters, do 30 pushups, then shoot a target at 20 meters with her shooters choice pistol firearm.
@effinayright, my position is and has been that the Secret Service did not cooperate with the hapless young Mr. Crooks to set up an ambush. I believe that the Secret Service is and has been doing a crappy job of providing security for Donald Trump, the agents on the scene because they are (probably deliberately) poorly trained and not very good (note that one did not even know how to reholster her sidearm), and the folks up at the top — Mayorkas, Cheatle, Cheatle’s direct reports — because they hoped that if enough security holes were left open at Trump events then something they regarded as useful to Joe Biden’s re-election prospects might occur. By about 6 or 7 millimeters it quite nearly did.
Paul said...
"Now we find out the SS has no audio recordings for the day of the assassination... none. Least that is what Cheatle says.
So did she use Hillary's bleachbit or what?"
It's bizarre that Cheatle said that they have no audio recordings of the day of Trump's attempted assassination. The Secret Service has audio recordings of the their radio traffic on the day that Reagan was shot and posted it online.
How is it that, over 30 years later, they don't save save their radio recordings?
Blogger Sally327 said...
I think she's in a tough spot because she shouldn't be given any answers that might reveal operational details as to procedure, which might be useful some way for the next wanna be assassin.
For example, I don't think she can answer a question that would indicate how the SS goes about determining where the perimeter starts and stops and how what's inside or outside it is evaluated for risk."
Given how abysmal those procedures were they will have to be changed.
I don't think its giving away any secrets at this point.
"Dixcus said...
This sniper was taken out MILLISECONDS after his 8th shot."
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Sure about 8 shots? Audio seems to suggest otherwise.
Re: Dixcus
“AOC asked a really good question that Kim Cheatlady couldn't answer: Why is the Secret Service outdoor perimeter shorter than the range of the most powerful and popular sniper rifle in America?”
That just goes to show, as if any more proof were needed, that she knows nothing about firearms. An AR 15 in 5.56mm is nowhere near the most powerful or popular “sniper” rifle. No serious or experienced sniper would choose an iron sight AR 15, and they wouldn’t take a head shot unless it was the only option.
The point about leaving the roof unguarded is valid. The saying about stopped clocks applies.
“AOC asked a really good question that Kim Cheatlady couldn't answer: Why is the Secret Service outdoor perimeter shorter than the range of the most powerful and popular sniper rifle in America?”
Beginning on June 27, 1874, a war party estimated to consist of 700 Comanche, Cheyenne, and Kiowa warriors warriors under the leadership of Comanche chief Quanah Parker besieged 28 buffalo hunters and sutlers in three adobe and sod building at the Second Battle of Adobe Walls in Texas. The siege was ended when noted buffalo hunter and scout Billy Dixon killed an Indian from a distance of 1538 yards (roughly 9/10 of a mile). That was with a 19th century Sharps rifle, and replica Sharps rifles (and Remington rolling block, the main Sharps competitor in those days) are readily available from, for instance, Pedersoli, today. Does AOC plan to extend the perimeter to 1500 yards to protect against people using replicas of 19th century guns?
Now we find out the SS has no audio recordings for the day of the assassination... none. Least that is what Cheatle says.
That's the thing that really stands out to me.
How is it that, over 30 years later, they don't save save their radio recordings?
To ask the question is to answer it.
Didn't any of those guys in the building hear the guy on the roof?
"Hey! There's somebody on the roof!"
Achillies. The most accurate .5.56 I own is a 20 inch heavy barrel that will put 20 rounds behind a half dollar at 100 yards. My 16 inch barreled AR is good but no where near that accurate. We're lucky the kid wasn't anywhere near being a marksman.
But I'm going to side with D.D.. Something like a .308 in a bolt action.
Hard to believe SS doesn't use multiple high rez PTZ cameras recording to a central device with redundancy.
Instead, we see handheld cellphone clips.
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