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When it comes to 2020, a lesser majority (51%) think Biden won the election fair and square, while 35% think he stole the election.
Based on Real Clear Politics, it seems that there hasn't been a Wisconsin poll about the presidential election since last June, when Marquette showed Biden up by 9. Before that, there were only 2 Emerson polls, last October and September, and these had Biden up by 1.
What's happening in Wisconsin? If I had to guess, I'd just say something that I don't think is special to Wisconsin: As time passes, and the agitation of Trump being President fades and the experience of the Biden presidency is felt, people might get to thinking things were better back in the Trump days and what was really so bad about him after all? Alternatively, one might say those criminal charges backfired.
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Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden. Only two points is nothing to cheer about.
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Trump won WI, AZ, PA, MI. and GA in 2020 as well. The voter fraud took those victories away from our "democracy".
If the 2024 election is honest and not riddled with absentee voter fraud...Trump can win. But, I think if they could pull it off in 2020, they can probably do it again.
In Wisconsin; Madison, Milwaukee, and all the college towns will cheer and help implement the fraud.
So, Trump's not winning buy the stealing percentage.
Biden on track to steal another election.
Polls by academia and the media are INHERENTLY UNTRUSTWORTHY and the only people who rely on them or believe in them are fools and liberal women.
What's happening in Wisconsin?
If you've driven through Milwaukee lately, you know what is happening in Wisconsin. Like San Francisco, it's a shithole.
If the 2024 Election is honest, I think the biggest swing factor will be with white women who switch back to protecting their property, families, and schools...trying to avoid the crime creep.
But they will have to balance that with their support of abortion at any stage, resentment of the patriarchy, child hormone therapy, and genital mutilation. Depending on what goes on in the world, they will have to consider which President is least likely to send their kids to fight in another a global conflict. They'll also have to consider the odds of eventually having "refugees" settle in their pretty suburban dual air-conditioner neighborhood. Libs is CHI and NYC are pissed its happening.
They know it's Trump, but their crazy TDS resentment most likely will interfere with rational thought.
The country was better off under Trump. I don't see how someone could argue otherwise.
As for "stole the election," different people could have different definitions of "stole." Not everyone means urban machines directly stuffed the ballot boxes, but there's not doubt some of that happened. Stole cold also mean "grassroots" organizations used the loose security around ballot harvesting to make sure that every person who didn't deliberately vote for Trump voted for Biden, whether they meant to or not.
This can’t be true because everyone Inga knows is voting for Biden.
Mark said...Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden
The candidate doesn't win elections, the get out the vote effort does. Trump lost because he got out-hustled. That's on the GOP at least as much as it's on Trump.
If you have enjoyed Trump's foray into politics and the Presidency--and I have enjoyed it, having pretty much ignored him before--there will be almost unbelievable schadenfreude if he wins again. My God, the stupid bastards might be indicting him into the White House. Not quite as stupid as open borders, but close. As Kaus says, the longer Trump talks live, the more he alienates independent voters who listen. So what do his enemies do? Make him unavailable on anything "mainstream," so that many voters hear or see little or nothing, and they're free to remember the Trump years as pretty good years.
Funny? Christ yes. One concern is that I'm 67: I might die laughing.
Blogger Mark said...
Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden. Only two points is nothing to cheer about.
Such bullshit. McCain lost WI. Romney lost WI. Before Trump 2016 and 2020, Reagan was the last GOP Presidential candidate to win. Nothing in WI will ever have a 20 point gap for the GOP.
They guy has every lib prosecutor in the land going after him, GOPe primary rival trashing him, and it's neck and neck in a swing state. I think that speaks more about what a corrupt bumbling idiot Biden is, than Trump being some sort of albatross.
But, as Buckwheathikes said above Trump's not winning buy the stealing percentage. That the real crux of the matter.
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- After 2016, the national security state, the foreign policy establishment, & the gov't-funded NGO-plex orgs redefined the word "democracy": it no longer meant a consensus of individuals, it meant a consensus of institutions"
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A close election means Biden wins.
Louisiana laughs at Mark.
If it is close the Democrats will steal it. Biden is at still ahead.
Progress, perhaps.
"Trump and Biden on Track for Another Close Election."
There is no way the democrats are going to allow Trump to run.
"Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden. Only two points is nothing to cheer about."
Sorry, Mark, but that is just stupid. The literal bottom for a Democrat candidate in a presidential election with today's electorate composition is about 47% nationally no matter who the GOP candidate is, which means the bottom in Wisconsin, a blue state, is about 48-49. And we aren't even at a bottom of the barrel for Democrats. You could prove Joe Biden molests children and he would still get 47% of the vote nationally.
What's happening in Wisconsin?
Despite him being in the news and people making EVERYTHING about Trump all the time, many people really are not listening to him a year away from the election. They are basing their poll responses on Trump the idea and the economy pre-Biden.
Hillary was the same way. She would rise in the polls the less people see or heard her. But once people start paying attention to what Trump is saying, once he becomes more visible and starts opening up his mouth, just as with Hillary, he will plummet.
Gee, what was so bad about Trump?
- Southern border coming under control
- Energy independence
- Non-inflationary growth
- Peace in Europe
- Progress in the Mideast (Abraham Accords)
Who could possibly be nostalgic for that?
The media agitation about Trump caused the bulk of the disapproval of him, and things were actually better when he was president than they are now. By a lot. Plus, I think the abortion debate will pale as a vote driver in comparison to the loss of economic and physical security under Biden.
It’s too early to look at polls or take them seriously. A lot of stuff to happen yet.
It's more than a bit early to put much stock in this.
It's more than a bit early to put much stock in this.
2 is way below the margin of fraud.
Polls taken out far in advance of the election are of questionable usefulness. Polls in general these days are of questionable usefulness as the polling environment has changed and the polling companies have struggled to adjust to the changes, plus some polling companies are obviously partisan organizations that do not particularly care to be accurate. Trying to extrapolate anything from these data points is an exercise in futility.
Battle of the Titanics.
"Who could possibly be nostalgic for that?"
I posted something similar to your list a week or so ago and it was pointed out by one of the resident AA lefties that all those things were continuations of Obama's polices.
Seems rather odd that leftists are violently opposed to a Republican doing something they applaud a Democrat for, don't you think?
"Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden. Only two points is nothing to cheer about."
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Ant other republican would lose to Biden, and likely by greater margins than in 2020. Trump has outperformed every GOP candidate in the past 30 years in the upper midwest.
81 million votes my ass!
But the polling data show that Trump's support has actually gone *down* since this summer/last fall. Trump is not gaining support. Biden is losing support but those voters are not picking Trump (at least yet). Also, that one Marquette poll over the summer looks suspect, doesn't it? The polls are silliness until the democrats finally force Biden out of the race and we find out who the surprise candidate is.
Up by 2??
Who in their right mind would vote for the demented fool Biden??......and then you're going to tell me those 81 million votes weren't fraud!!
This is not polling this is influencing the weak minded.
Ballot harvesting is key. Organizations with workers identifying likely voters and assuring they get to they get to the polls or get an absentee ballot. Republicans didn’t do that last time but the RNC has stated there will be
The effort next election.
120,000 Biden votes will magically appear at 4 am
Blogger Mark said...
Without the lead weight that is Trump, any Republican should be up 20 points over Biden. Only two points is nothing to cheer about.
The people wo think this assume everyone who would vote for Trump would vote for any other Republican. People in the real world realize that is not true and try to figure out if other Republicans can win back enough not-Trumpers to make up for the loss of the Trump voters.
I think most of the current crop of Republican candidates would run well behind Trump, and the DeSantis supporters online are doing their darndest to make that true about him as well.
Trump is the only Republican candidate that can win the Presidency with less than 48% of the national vote- the only one. Any other GOP candidate will have to win at least 50% of the national vote in a fair, fraud-free election. And there is no such GOP candidate.
It won't make any difference as your friend Ben Wikler will steal the election.
Hmm. If he follows the trailblazing path set by the first female nominee of any major party, one Hillary!! (Why aren't I 50 points ahead!!!!), he'll never campaign here, sending only his family. And then ponder why he lost the state.
Is that real - or is that what the left want us to think?
one never knows.
I want the R candidate to be up by more than the margin of error.
Life sucks under biden.
-Inflation
-Illegals
-War War War
-Drugs
-Hopelessness
-MEDIA LIES TO COVER IT ALL UP - AND KISS HIS FLABBY LYING CROOK ASS.
This can’t be true because everyone Inga knows is voting for Biden.
Is Inga still a thing on this bog??
Trump up by 2 in a media poll means he is up by 7+ in actual voter determinations.
The WI court will keep him off the ballot…
Emerson is a performing arts school…
They can steal WAAAAY more votes to make up the difference.
But it is embarrassing to stuff the ballot box early, which is why Dems usually wait to see how many they need, then make sure there's a water leak somewhere : )
"Ballot harvesting is key. Organizations with workers identifying likely voters and assuring they get to they get to the polls or get an absentee ballot. Republicans didn’t do that last time but the RNC has stated there will be The effort next election."
Republicans can try, but the DoJ and the various Democrat state AGs will be Johnny-on-Spot to threaten any GOP effort at ballot harvesting with criminal charges. Count on it.
"As time passes, and the agitation of Trump being President fades and the experience of the Biden presidency is felt, people might get to thinking things were better back in the Trump days and what was really so bad about him after all? Alternatively, one might say those criminal charges backfired."
Embrace the power of "and."
Also the power of "401K". And "gas prices."
The national press seems to be studiously ignoring this little fracas over ballot-box stuffing in our local Democrat-ruled shithole of Bridgeport.
When it affects the Dems, they are pretty damn sure that electoral fraud occurs. (This one has video!)
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2023-10-13/as-accusations-fly-over-ballot-stuffing-in-mayoral-primary-connecticut-democrat-takes-the-5th
Tommyesq: "Is Inga still a thing on this bog??"
The complete collapse of years of nonsensical lefty hoaxes and lies and undeniable failure of dem policies along with the realization of all the results that Inga claimed would happen under Trump but are actually happening under the dems keeps her away most days.
Surprisingly, her spirit is kept alive daily on the blog by her mirror image poster on the "right".
You can probably guess who that is.
Trump is up by 2 in Wisconsin.
This statement is a racist, homophobic, anti-trans hate crime. Surrender quietly, citizen.
Doesn't matter, going to be Newsome/Whitmer in '24.
Unfortunately.
Here we go with the polls again. Remember the midterms? Anybody? Seriously, what do we need to do to stop pundits from citing these junk polls over a year before the election?
Republicans will need at least a 5 point advantage to overcome the mail ins. It's not going to happen.
Blogger FullMoon said...
Doesn't matter, going to be Newsome/Whitmer in '24
The FBI will be the gestapo.
As far as Trump leading by 2 points, is that with or without Zuckerberg's ballot boxes in Milwaukee?
All I know is Joe Biden and horrible family makes me sick.
facebook drop boxes... 20 at a time at 3 AM - what's the problem?
Polls taken out far in advance of the election are of questionable usefulness.
All depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If, for instance, your goal is to create either panic (for fundraising purposes) or complacency (for future turnout purposes), polls a year out do the job just fine, ISTM.
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